Samiyah Murder Case: Kisi per shak nahi, moat ki waja burger ho saktay hain. Husband Asif Mahmood

[chacha jani]

PATWARI logic.

 

[Nice2MU]

میں نے کب کہا کہ اس نے زنا کیا تھا؟
تمھیں زنا کی سزا اور اسکی طریقہ کار کا علم ہے؟
اور اس بات کا میری دلیل سے کیا تعلق بنتا ہے؟​

If sharee punishment for zaani is death like in this case then how does spending night with other men in a separate room prove zina according to sharee taqaza?

 

[Nice2MU]

جس بندے کو سلیس اُردو کی سمجھ نہیں آتی اس سے اور ایک بھینس سے بحث کرنا ایک برابر ہے۔

میری پوسٹ پھر پڑھ لو اسمیں موجود ہیں۔۔۔۔۔

pls sharee taqazay bhi bata dein, so all wives of the world know when its ok to leave the house and when its not.

 

[PappuChikna]

میں نے کب کہا کہ اس نے زنا کیا تھا؟
تمھیں زنا کی سزا اور اسکی طریقہ کار کا علم ہے؟
اور اس بات کا میری دلیل سے کیا تعلق بنتا ہے؟​

but you were blaming her for her death because she left her house without sharee taqaza and spent time with na mehram. not??
so even if there was no zina involved, just leaving the house without sharee taqaza and spending time with na mehram warrants death?

 

[Nice2MU]

تیرے بہت سے سوالوں کا جواب دے چکا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ میری صرف ایک سوال کا جواب دو پہلے کہ اگر یہی عورت تیری بیوی ہوتی تو تب بھی تیرے یہی خیالات ہوتے؟ جب تک اس سوال کا سیدھا جواب نہ دو میری کسی پوسٹ کا کوئی جواب نہ دینا۔ اور نہ میں دونگا۔ کیونکہ میں نے تیری ہر پوسٹ کے جواب میں یہی سوال پوچھنا ہے۔ ​

I see, so its ok for a woman to go out of her home for sharaee taqazay but not without sharee taqazay? so leaving without sharee taqazay make her a sinner and fahisha and its ok to get her killed. got it.

sir I told you i am confused thats why I am trying to learn from you.

 

[Nice2MU]

No I didn't blame her for leaving home. I blamed her why had she used to spend nights with other men and why she used to participate in mix gathering without her husband؟

That's why I am saying that it is useless to discuss with you as you don't understand simple Urdu.......

تیرا نام صرف پپو چکنا نہیں بلکہ تو واقعی چکنا گھڑا ہے

but you were blaming her for her death because she left her house without sharee taqaza and spent time with na mehram. not??
so even if there was no zina involved, just leaving the house without sharee taqaza and spending time with na mehram warrants death?

 

[SahirShah]

hmm... so this means if they say sorry and become a good woman and start making round chapati after you create distance then its ok to start living with her again?

Please keep your discussion political in political matters and stop your mockery about Quran.
Seems, you are very ignorant about Quranic knowledge. No where in surah Al-Nisa:34 it is said that a women of any character should be killed.
The ayat has a very specific background where a wife of a sahabi came in the court of Rasool Allah s.a.w.w and complained that her husband had physically punished her and she wants revenge of the same kind. Sahabi said that she wanted to go outside while he wanted her to stay at home. Quarrel went further and he did hit her. At that time Allah gave His verdict in the shape of Al-Nisa ayat 34. That in a household husband is given the charge and responsibility of the whole family. Advice to wives is to obey the husband as long as they are not breaking any Quranic law. Thus, the Sahabi was acquitted.
It is not encouraged to hit a women in this ayat.
I dont know where you brought "gol gol rotis" and "killing" in the discussion. If you are of any other faith or of no faith, it's okay ! But do not offend many muslims here by bashing at our religion.
Thanks

 

[ifteeahmed]

 

[Piyasa]

hmm... so this means if they say sorry and become a good woman and start making round chapati after you create distance then its ok to start living with her again?

منّا، مذھب کے متعلق اگر کوئ شک و شبہ ہو تو بالکل پوچھو ليکن مذاق کے پيراۓ ميں نہيں۔ سنجيدگی اختيار کرو۔

 

[Rameez Chaudhry]

New revelations in mysterious shrouds death of PML-N worker Samia Chaudhry

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[Exceptional Spirit]

FityMoun.......... Qaatil Burger nikla? :angry_smile:
PMLN ki investigation... what a joke....

 

[PappuChikna]

Please keep your discussion political in political matters and stop your mockery about Quran.
Seems, you are very ignorant about Quranic knowledge. No where in surah Al-Nisa:34 it is said that a women of any character should be killed.
The ayat has a very specific background where a wife of a sahabi came in the court of Rasool Allah s.a.w.w and complained that her husband had physically punished her and she wants revenge of the same kind. Sahabi said that she wanted to go outside while he wanted her to stay at home. Quarrel went further and he did hit her. At that time Allah gave His verdict in the shape of Al-Nisa ayat 34. That in a household husband is given the charge and responsibility of the whole family. Advice to wives is to obey the husband as long as they are not breaking any Quranic law. Thus, the Sahabi was acquitted.
It is not encouraged to hit a women in this ayat.
I dont know where you brought "gol gol rotis" and "killing" in the discussion. If you are of any other faith or of no faith, it's okay ! But do not offend many muslims here by bashing at our religion.
Thanks

so of everything said about this murder in this thread, including blaming the woman and her husband for her own death and calling it according to islam, the only thing you found offensive is my mention of gol roti?
You brought examples of quran hadees to prove me a blasphemer but all other people justifying this killing in the light of quran hadees does not make you angry?

there is no doubt we excel in 2 numbree. we have even made our religion 2 number.

 

[PappuChikna]

منّا، مذھب کے متعلق اگر کوئ شک و شبہ ہو تو بالکل پوچھو ليکن مذاق کے پيراۓ ميں نہيں۔ سنجيدگی اختيار کرو۔

Pyasa
sahab, I am exposing our perverted understanding of our religion. I am not surprised, but I am indeed saddened, by the fact that majority people here blames the lady of her murder. They think the lady's profession is more reprehensible and the cause of her murder than the murderer themselves.

maqdoor ho tou saath rakhoon noha gurr ko mein....

 

[PappuChikna]

No I didn't blame her for leaving home. I blamed her why had she used to spend nights with other men and why she used to participate in mix gathering without her husband؟

That's why I am saying that it is useless to discuss with you as you don't understand simple Urdu.......

تیرا نام صرف پپو چکنا نہیں بلکہ تو واقعی چکنا گھڑا ہے

Nice
sahab, I have issue even with you blaming her on seeing other men and doing whatever she allegedly did.

Nothing, and I said nothing, makes her responsible even 1% for the zulm that done to her.

I find it very offensive that you kept on trying to blame her for her death as if she is responsible for whatever happened to her.

I will never ever do that.

Remember, prophet said the life is more sacred than kaaba and haram.

I also request you to re-think your concepts.

I read somewhere some people asked moulana sahab aik randee kaa janaza masjid mein parhana jaiz hai yaa nahi.

I seriously though, people are not ready to allow that woman a dignified death but they wont mind giving respect and reading janaza of her clients.

We throw humanity and mercy outside of the window before discussing social and religious matters.

 

[PappuChikna]

تیرے بہت سے سوالوں کا جواب دے چکا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ میری صرف ایک سوال کا جواب دو پہلے کہ اگر یہی عورت تیری بیوی ہوتی تو تب بھی تیرے یہی خیالات ہوتے؟ جب تک اس سوال کا سیدھا جواب نہ دو میری کسی پوسٹ کا کوئی جواب نہ دینا۔ اور نہ میں دونگا۔ کیونکہ میں نے تیری ہر پوسٹ کے جواب میں یہی سوال پوچھنا ہے۔ ​

yes
100%.

 

[SahirShah]

so of everything said about this murder in this thread, including blaming the woman and her husband for her own death and calling it according to islam, the only thing you found offensive is my mention of gol roti?
You brought examples of quran hadees to prove me a blasphemer but all other people justifying this killing in the light of quran hadees does not make you angry?

there is no doubt we excel in 2 numbree. we have even made our religion 2 number.

Dear Pappu ! I never called you a blasphemer. I did say that you might be an ignorant, and you proved that yourself. On the thread, I found that you were taunting and making fun of a Quranic verse (Al-Nisa, 34) and it was my duty to convey the right information to you. I also did request you not to bring Quran in between a political discussion. And I did request you not to mock Quran as it may offend many muslims here.
If someone in this thread quoted Quran in order to justify a murder, I am unaware of that. If they did so, it was wrong. May be they are ignorant as well about Quran as you are...
Nothing more to say on this topic. Bye

 

[Nice2MU]

پہلے میرے سوال کا جواب دو پھر سوالات پوچھوں اور پڑھونگا بھی اور جواب بھی دونگا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

Nice
sahab, I have issue even with you blaming her on seeing other men and doing whatever she allegedly did.

Nothing, and I said nothing, makes her responsible even 1% for the zulm that done to her.

I find it very offensive that you kept on trying to blame her for her death as if she is responsible for whatever happened to her.

I will never ever do that.

Remember, prophet said the life is more sacred than kaaba and haram.

I also request you to re-think your concepts.

I read somewhere some people asked moulana sahab aik randee kaa janaza masjid mein parhana jaiz hai yaa nahi.

I seriously though, people are not ready to allow that woman a dignified death but they wont mind giving respect and reading janaza of her clients.

We throw humanity and mercy outside of the window before discussing social and religious matters.