The word "Shaheed"

[babadeena]

So many times I thought that I may not write anything, but could not resist. May be many readers will
come to my head, but what should I do, Quran is my passion and that forced me to ask one question:

""CAN SOME ONE GIVE ME A SINGLE VERSE IN QURAN WHEREIN ALLAH (SWT) HAS GRANTED
THIS TITLE OF "SHAHEED" TO ONE WHO HAS BEEN KILLED(MURDERED) IN HIS(ALLAH'S) WAY or
DUE TO ANY OTHER PURPOSE.". Please give me only relevant verse(s), no
out of context verses. Thanks.

 

[Beatle]

My friend this is pure political site, as is clear from its name "SIASAT", and so you will get all sorts of political gossip, both biased and neutral. You may consult anyone of the hundreds religious sites around. You may get better response.

 

[PAINDO]

The Quranic meaning of the word 'Shaheed'
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The concept of Shaheed, as interpreted by some to mean a martyr, is totally un-Quranic. According to the traditional Muslim scholars, anyone who is murdered, drowns or is killed in a fire becomes a Shaheed (martyr) and goes to heaven. This concept is without any Quranic support.
The Quran stresses the fact that the manner by which the human dies is totally irrelevant to his/her destination in the hereafter. The disbelievers and the idol-worshippers are destined for hell, no matter how they die. On the other hand, the believers who lead a righteous life, go to heaven, once again no matter how they die.
This incorrect belief is the result of the misinterpretation of the following verse:
"Those who immigrate for the sake of God, then get killed, or die, God will surely shower them with good provisions" 22:58
The traditional scholars took the words "get killed" to indicate that the act of (getting killed) is what made them become 'Shaheed' (martyr) and thus entitles them to go to heaven. They have forgotten that the verse also includes the words "or die" (i.e. a natural death). In other words they are still destined for heaven even if they die naturally. It is the work of those believers that get them to heaven and not the way they have died.
In 22:58 God is stating that he will shower these believers with good provisions, not because they were killed, but because they lived for the cause of God.
Moreover, the word 'shaheed' in the Quran does not mean martyr at all. The word 'shaheed' in the Quran means witness. An example is given in the following verse:
"The day will come when we will raise from every community a 'Shaheed' (witness) from among them." 16:89
In 3:98, God calls Himself a 'Shaheed' which obviously does not mean that God is a martyr!
"Say, "O followers of the scripture, why do you reject these revelations of God, when God is a Witness over everything you do?" 3:98
For the correct meaning of the word Shaheed (Witness) please also see 6:19, 34:47, 16:84, 22:78, 4:41, 4:159, 50:21, 2:143.

 

[babadeena]

My friend this is pure political site, as is clear from its name "SIASAT", and so you will get all sorts of political gossip, both biased and neutral. You may consult anyone of the hundreds religious sites around. You may get better response.

I am in the relevant section of the pure political site. Please make up your mind once and for all:
"IF RELIGION HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH POLITICS" Yes or No.

@PAINDO

The concept of Shaheed, as interpreted by some to mean a martyr, is totally un-Quranic.

If it is un-Quranic. From where we got it then. If Allah does not call that person who is
killed in His Way as "Shaheed", then why we (the society) labels him with this title. Allah has
clearly stated that person as "Qatal or Maqtool" and Maqtool in the way of Allah.
Thanks for your reply. It was to the point.

 

[behzadji]

It is not true that the wrod Shaheed is not mentioned in the Quran. For your reference, please look at the following verse of surah Ale-Imran(3:140)

إِن يَمۡسَسۡكُمۡ قَرۡحٌ۬ فَقَدۡ مَسَّ ٱلۡقَوۡمَ قَرۡحٌ۬ مِّثۡلُهُ ۥ*ۚ وَتِلۡكَ ٱلۡأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيۡنَ ٱلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعۡلَمَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنكُمۡ شُہَدَآءَ*ۗ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ (

١٤٠)

If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allh may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allh likes not the Zlimn (polytheists and wrongdoers). (140)

This is further explained in the authentic ahadiths that there are several types of death about which the word shaheed can be used.

 

[babadeena]

It is not true that the wrod Shaheed is not mentioned in the Quran. For your reference, please look at the following verse of surah Ale-Imran(3:140)

إِن يَمۡسَسۡكُمۡ قَرۡحٌ۬ فَقَدۡ مَسَّ ٱلۡقَوۡمَ قَرۡحٌ۬ مِّثۡلُهُ ۥ*ۚ وَتِلۡكَ ٱلۡأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيۡنَ ٱلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعۡلَمَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنكُمۡ شُہَدَآءَ*ۗ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ (

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If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allh may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allh likes not the Zlimn (polytheists and wrongdoers). (140)

This is further explained in the authentic ahadiths that there are several types of death about which the word shaheed can be used.

I did not ask "IF THE WORD SHAHEED is mentioned or not mentioned in Quran", I asked" A SINGLE VERSE IN QURAN WHEREIN ALLAH (SWT) HAS GRANTED
THIS TITLE OF "SHAHEED" TO ONE WHO HAS BEEN KILLED(MURDERED) IN HIS(ALLAH'S) WAY or
DUE TO ANY OTHER PURPOSE."
There is day and night difference. Perhaps you misunderstood my post. However, the word used in your quoted verses stands for "witnessess" not
for "Shaheed". You may like to google "exactly the same word with all araabs and formations" from whole of Quran.

If misfortune touches you, [know that] similar misfortune has touched [other] people as well; for it is by turns that We apportion unto men such days [of fortune and misfortune]: and [this] to the end that God might mark out those who have attained to faith, and choose from among you such as [with their lives] bear witness to the truth - since God does not love evildoers - (Muhammad Asad)

If ye have received a blow, the (disbelieving) people have received a blow the like thereof. These are (only) the vicissitudes which We cause to follow one another for mankind, to the end that Allah may know those who believe and may choose witnesses from among you; and Allah loveth not wrong-doers.(Pikcthall)

If a wound has afflicted you (at Ohud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and We bring these days to men by turns, and that Allah may know those who believe and take witnesses from among you; and Allah does not love the unjust. (Shakir)

 

[behzadji]

Quran can't be understood in isolation without the ahadiths. This is the matter of principle and I think we are not having any authority to decide a principal to find each and every thing from the Quran. There are several examples and I would like to mention here only one of them. As you know that our Holy Prophet(SallAllahu Aleyhe Wasallam)'s uncle Hazrat Hamza(Radhi Allah Unhu) when martyred in the battle of Uhud, did he give any witness to the public for which he was declared as Sayyad-ush-Shuhada by the Holy Prophet(SallAllahu Aleyhe Wasallam)? No but it was because he laid his life and got murdered in the way of Allah(Subhanahu). So please don't try to seek each and every word from quran to get a proof. Otherwise if someone would ask you to give a proof of eating rice from the Quran and ask you to find the word of rice from the Quran, what would you do? Would you stop eating rice?-----------

 

[Cheeko]

Both who emigrate or get killed for cause of Allah gets provisions from Allah. Does it mean they both are alive?

And those who emigrated for the cause of Allah and then were killed or died - Allah will surely provide for them a good provision. And indeed, it is Allah who is the best of providers [22:58]

And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision [3:169]

 

[babadeena]

Quran can't be understood in isolation without the ahadiths. This is the matter of principle and I think we are not having any authority to decide a principal to find each and every thing from the Quran. There are several examples and I would like to mention here only one of them. As you know that our Holy Prophet(SallAllahu Aleyhe Wasallam)'s uncle Hazrat Hamza(Radhi Allah Unhu) when martyred in the battle of Uhud, did he give any witness to the public for which he was declared as Sayyad-ush-Shuhada by the Holy Prophet(SallAllahu Aleyhe Wasallam)? No but it was because he laid his life and got murdered in the way of Allah(Subhanahu). So please don't try to seek each and every word from quran to get a proof. Otherwise if someone would ask you to give a proof of eating rice from the Quran and ask you to find the word of rice from the Quran, what would you do? Would you stop eating rice?-----------

There was no need for such a lengthy explanation. The simple answer could have been. Yes it is not proven from Quran and that is all.
It can be your views that "Quran can't be understood in isolation without the ahadiths.". Definitely It is not mine.

 

[behzadji]

Dear,
The word Shaheed is mentioned, its meaning are mentioned in the (3:140) and above mentioned example (of Sayyadina Hamza(Radhi Allah Unho) as he was one of those who got martyred then.)also depicts the same meaning. Now if you still believe that we should not call any one who dies in the way of Allah as shaheed, then please stop eating rice as it is not even mentioned in the Quran..........(Very difficult for a person fond of Daal Chawal)

 

[Cheeko]

Babadeena not replying me because he has no answer

 

[babadeena]

Dear,
The word Shaheed is mentioned, its meaning are mentioned in the (3:140) and above mentioned example (of Sayyadina Hamza(Radhi Allah Unho) as he was one of those who got martyred then.)also depicts the same meaning. Now if you still believe that we should not call any one who dies in the way of Allah as shaheed, then please stop eating rice as it is not even mentioned in the Quran..........(Very difficult for a person fond of Daal Chawal)

Again and Again same thing you are saying. You fail to understand what I asked:
a) I know the in Quran there is arabic word "Shaheed", but that is not for which you are using. I gave you three imminent people translation
of 3:140, but sui attakee hoee hay.
b) Then you brought the famous proverb: "Quran cannot be understood without Hadith", a typical answer when there is no answer available
to a question;
c) Allah mentioned in more than one places about those who are killed in His way, but not labelled them as "Shaheed", you are not getting
this simple thing. (Of Course they are labelled through Hadiths, but not definitely by or in Quran).

If it is still not clear, then eat rice with daal chawal.

 

[babadeena]

Babadeena not replying me because he has no answer

Man you are out of context what should I reply to you then? first you try to understand what I ask,
then give your answer according to that. Definitely your post will also be acknowledged.

 

[behzadji]

mard-e-nadan par kalam-e-narm-o-nauk bey asar

 

[Cheeko]

Man you are out of context what should I reply to you then? first you try to understand what I ask,
then give your answer according to that. Definitely your post will also be acknowledged.

How out of context. Just say you have no answer

 

[Faiza]

@ babadeena
I think babadeena what you are asking is that if the word shaheed is not mention in Quran then why we are using that word for the person who die for the sake of Allah. If I understand it correct, then I think we learned this word from ahadiths, same way when it is said many times in Quran about read Namaz, but how to read is not mentioned, we can only learn it from ahadiths..

I understand you love Quran, and you think we should get all the answer from that, but it is mentioned in Quran that Allah sends Quran to his messenger, so prophetpbuh can teach us about Islam, how to worship Allahso we have no choice we have to follow both Quran and ahadiths. we cannot pick one and leave other.

Quran is a miracle, and it was send to Prophet Mohammedpbuh, so we need prophet teaching to understand it completely

I agree there are some ahadiths which not conceder authentic, but still without ahadiths we can never understand completely about our religion

So if word shaheed is not mention is Quran and our prophet Mohammedpbuh said that a person who dies for the sake of Allah, he is not dead, he is alive, and he will go into the heaven. Then word doesnt mean much, the message is important

 

[babadeena]

@Faiza

I think babadeena what you are asking is that if the word shaheed is not mention in Quran then why we are using that word for the person who die for the sake of Allah

I have said that words "Shaheed" and "shudaha" are available in Quran, but these words stand for "witness" and "witnesses". Every place in Quran where Allah has referred to those people who are killed(qatal) in His way, have been awarded with other titles, except the word "Shaheed". For example, it is written that "they are Living, but not dead", "They will get reward etc . etc.". But nowhere it is written like this that "Those people who are killed or died in the
Way of Allah, are Shaheeds". Where it was necessary, Allah(SWT) have given
certain titles to His bondmen like "Momaynoon Haqqan" (Real Believers), but
the titles "Shaheed" or "Shudaha" have only been given to "witnesses". Like Hazrat Issa(as) will be a Shaheed (witness), Rasool(pbuh) will be Shaheed (witness) over People and so on.

So if word shaheed is not mention is Quran and our prophet Mohammedpbuh said that a person who dies for the sake of Allah, he is not dead, he is alive, and he will go into the heaven. Then word doesnt mean much, the message is important

That message is clearly written in Quran and that is more than enough for us. Instead of commercializing the word of Shaheed for every Tom, Jerry, Jick, and Jin, who was killed in bomb blast, hanged or air crashed or were killed in wars which were not for the cause or for in the Way of Allah.

Ultimately all discussion on any topic will of course boil down to the point of Quran-verses-Hadith.

 

[Faiza]

@Faiza


I have said that words "Shaheed" and "shudaha" are available in Quran, but these words stand for "witness" and "witnesses". Every place in Quran where Allah has referred to those people who are killed(qatal) in His way, have been awarded with other titles, except the word "Shaheed". For example, it is written that "they are Living, but not dead", "They will get reward etc . etc.". But nowhere it is written like this that "Those people who are killed or died in the
Way of Allah, are Shaheeds". Where it was necessary, Allah(SWT) have given
certain titles to His bondmen like "Momaynoon Haqqan" (Real Believers), but
the titles "Shaheed" or "Shudaha" have only been given to "witnesses". Like Hazrat Issa(as) will be a Shaheed (witness), Rasool(pbuh) will be Shaheed (witness) over People and so on.



That message is clearly written in Quran and that is more than enough for us. Instead of commercializing the word of Shaheed for every Tom, Jerry, Jick, and Jin, who was killed in bomb blast, hanged or air crashed or were killed in wars which were not for the cause or for in the Way of Allah.

Ultimately all discussion on any topic will of course boil down to the point of Quran-verses-Hadith.

Sorry if misunderstood your question.and I agree with you that every person killed any way should not called Shaheed..but if this word is being used for people who die for the sake of Allah, there is nothing wrong in it

 

[Truth Seeker]

[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ اِنۡ تُطِعْ اَکْثَرَ مَنۡ فِی الۡاَرْضِ یُضِلُّوۡکَ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِ اللہِ ؕ اِنۡ یَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَ اِنْ ہُمْ اِلَّا یَخْرُصُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۶﴾[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Quranic_Font] [/FONT]او راے سننے والے زمین میں اکثر وہ ہیں کہ تو ان کے کہے پر چلے تو تجھے اللّٰہ کی راہ سے بہکادیں وہ صرف گمان کے پیچھے ہیں اور نری اٹکلیں دوڑاتے ہی​

[FONT=Quranic_Font]قُلْ ہَلْ عِنۡدَکُمۡ مِّنْ عِلْمٍ فَتُخْرِجُوۡہُ لَنَا ؕ اِنۡ تَتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَ اِنْ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا تَخْرُصُوۡنَ ﴿۱۴۸﴾[/FONT]​

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تم فرماؤ کیا تمہارے پاس کوئی علم ہے کہ اسے ہمارے لئے نکالو تم تو نِرے گمان کے پیچھے ہو اور تم یونہی تخمینے کرتے ہو​

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[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَمَا یَتَّبِعُ اَکْثَرُہُمْ اِلَّا ظَنًّا ؕ اِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا یُغْنِیۡ مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَیۡئًا ؕ اِنَّ اللہَ عَلَیۡمٌۢ بِمَا یَفْعَلُوۡنَ ﴿۳۶﴾[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Quranic_Font] [/FONT]اور ان میں اکثر تو نہیں چلتے مگر گمان پر بیشک گمان حق کا کچھ کام نہیں دیتا بیشک اللّٰہ ان کے کاموں کو جانتا ہے​

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[FONT=Quranic_Font]یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا اجْتَنِبُوۡا کَثِیۡرًا مِّنَ الظَّنِّ ۫ اِنَّ بَعْضَ الظَّنِّ اِثْمٌ وَّ لَا تَجَسَّسُوۡا وَلَا یَغْتَبۡ بَّعْضُکُمۡ بَعْضًا[/FONT]​

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اے ایمان والو بہت گمانوں سے بچو بیشک کوئی گمان گناہ ہوجاتا ہے اور عیب نہ ڈھونڈو اور ایک دوسرے کی غیبت نہ کرو​

[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ مَا لَہُمۡ بِہٖ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ؕ اِنۡ یَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ ۚ وَ اِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا یُغْنِیۡ مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَیۡئًا ﴿ۚ۲۸﴾ [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Quranic_Font] [/FONT]اور انہیں اس کی کچھ خبر نہیں وہ تو نِرے گمان کے پیچھے ہیں اور بیشک گمان یقین کی جگہ کچھ کام نہیں دیتا​

I hope everyone here can read Urdu and shall understand to avoid such kind of “GUMAN” if title SHAHEED is awarded accordance to teaching of Islam or not!
Having said that let me dare to ask question to Baba Deena and I shall PASSIONATELY wait for him to answer me:
How Many Rasool and Ambiya Alaih e Salam were sent by Allah in this world?
What are their names?
If you can’t find name of any Rasool or Nabi in Quran so shall you consider him a true Nabi or Rasool?
If yes then why as their name is not mentioned in Quran, if no then I don’t need a reason as YOU SHALL FOLLOW WHATSOEVER IS MENTIONED IN QURAN!
But if you don’t believe then then ARE YOU BE TITLED AS MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!
WAITING WITH SUCH PASSION AS YOU HAVE PASSION WITH QURAN.
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[behzadji]

I wonder when you say that those who are killed by the bomb blasts or any other terrorist activity, they are not not slain in the way of Allah. Let me ask you a question. When a person leaves his house in the morning to seek some rizq-e-halal, is he not going in the way of Allah? He is fulfilling the Allah's order to obtain that rizq-e-halal.So if he is killed, should he be not considered as shaheed as he has died while striving for the cause of Allah.
I would recommend that if you don't agree to the above point then please avoid expressing your point to someone whose relatives have been killed in any terrorist activity otherwise they might make you shaheed like their relatives----------------------