Trump and our wishful thinking

GuyFawkes

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I want IK to be released from jail as well, but In my opinion the notion that Trump’s election will bring immediate change is not a well-informed perspective.

It’s essential to recognize that figures like Muneera or the POA (Pakistan Occupation Army) are not merely acting on directives from the Biden administration; rather, their actions are rooted in the agenda of the deeper state apparatus. This regime change and disregard for constitutional norms are not simply about sidelining PTI or empowering the Ganja-Hijra-Form-47 alliance. There is a more strategic objective at play—namely, to disconnect Pakistan from the strategic aspects of the CPEC. This is not to imply that China will become an outright “enemy,” but rather to make Pakistan an unviable ground for Chinese strategic interests.

China’s main interest in Pakistan lies in the strategic depth it offers, particularly as a contingency against potential blockades in the Pacific and Indian Oceans, which could arise from Chinese action on Taiwan. Given this backdrop, I doubt that the U.S. deep state would allow Trump to intervene in a way that counters their goals in disengaging China from Pakistan. (It’s important to note that this refers to strategic disengagement, not economic ties, which will likely continue.)
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
اور کچھ ہو نا ہو، اس بات کی خوشی ضرور ہے کہ جو بائیڈن جس نے عمران کیساتھ کبھی بات بھی نہیں کی۔اور اسکی حکومت ختم کر دی تھی ۔ اس حرامی کی پارٹی ہار گئی اور وہ خود ذلیل ہو کے صدارتی محل سے دفع ہو جائیگا۔۔ ہمارے لیے فی الحال یہی اطمینان کافی ہے ۔

باقی چینی کمپنیوں نے ایسٹ انڈیا کمپنی کے طرز پہ نے پاکستان میں چوروں کیساتھ مل کے کئی فضول پراجیکٹس شروع کیے ہیں جنکا خراج عوام کی چمڑیوں سے تیل نکال کے ادا ہو رہا ہے۔۔۔ اور فائدہ چوروں اور چینی کمپنیوں کو ہو رہا ہے ۔

سوائے گوادر بندرگاہ کے باقی سب پراجیکٹس غیر ضروری ہیں
 

Jazbaati

Minister (2k+ posts)
Trump is probably far worse for muslims in general so don't expect anything from him. His supporters are mainly racists.
However, I hope he does kick the napak fauj's arse and sanctions them as they are a military dictatorship now.
 

GuyFawkes

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
اور کچھ ہو نا ہو، اس بات کی خوشی ضرور ہے کہ جو بائیڈن جس نے عمران کیساتھ کبھی بات بھی نہیں کی۔اور اسکی حکومت ختم کر دی تھی ۔ اس حرامی کی پارٹی ہار گئی اور وہ خود ذلیل ہو کے صدارتی محل سے دفع ہو جائیگا۔۔ ہمارے لیے فی الحال یہی اطمینان کافی ہے ۔

باقی چینی کمپنیوں نے ایسٹ انڈیا کمپنی کے طرز پہ نے پاکستان میں چوروں کیساتھ مل کے کئی فضول پراجیکٹس شروع کیے ہیں جنکا خراج عوام کی چمڑیوں سے تیل نکال کے ادا ہو رہا ہے۔۔۔ اور فائدہ چوروں اور چینی کمپنیوں کو ہو رہا ہے ۔

سوائے گوادر بندرگاہ کے باقی سب پراجیکٹس غیر ضروری ہیں
Yes It's quite ironic, when IK attempted to curb some of these Chinese debt-trap projects, he was criticized for allegedly undermining CPEC. In reality, many of these so-called "Chinese" projects were structured as debt traps through a collaboration between local actors and Chinese private banks, yet secured by sovereign guarantees.
 

Lathi-Charge

Senator (1k+ posts)
there is no wishful thinking. Trump is an inward looking president who didn't start any new wars neither got himself involved in any known regime change operations anywhere in the world. if he continues with the same policy in his second term, that alone is enough for a basket case 3rd world country like Pakistan.
 

GuyFawkes

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Trump is probably far worse for muslims in general so don't expect anything from him. His supporters are mainly racists.
However, I hope he does kick the napak fauj's arse and sanctions them as they are a military dictatorship now.
trust me bro, he is more of the same, in reality they are all racist Islamophobes, both sides, most of the congress is controlled by or are themselves staunch Zionists.
 

GuyFawkes

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
there is no wishful thinking. Trump is an inward looking president who didn't start any new wars neither got himself involved in any known regime change operations anywhere in the world. if he continues with the same policy in his second term, that alone is enough for a basket case 3rd world country like Pakistan
I am not saying that there is no chance that he might push the POA (Pak Occupation Army) to stop with this non-sense behavior but when i indicated is that there is more to what is happening in Pakistan, it is not a Presidential project, it is a deep state project and unluckily both Dems and Republicans are happy to for the china containment policy.
He is good for Ukrainian issue, he is good for Europe in a ironic sense but when it comes to Pakistan. I am not too hopeful.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I want IK to be released from jail as well, but In my opinion the notion that Trump’s election will bring immediate change is not a well-informed perspective.

It’s essential to recognize that figures like Muneera or the POA (Pakistan Occupation Army) are not merely acting on directives from the Biden administration; rather, their actions are rooted in the agenda of the deeper state apparatus. This regime change and disregard for constitutional norms are not simply about sidelining PTI or empowering the Ganja-Hijra-Form-47 alliance. There is a more strategic objective at play—namely, to disconnect Pakistan from the strategic aspects of the CPEC. This is not to imply that China will become an outright “enemy,” but rather to make Pakistan an unviable ground for Chinese strategic interests.

China’s main interest in Pakistan lies in the strategic depth it offers, particularly as a contingency against potential blockades in the Pacific and Indian Oceans, which could arise from Chinese action on Taiwan. Given this backdrop, I doubt that the U.S. deep state would allow Trump to intervene in a way that counters their goals in disengaging China from Pakistan. (It’s important to note that this refers to strategic disengagement, not economic ties, which will likely continue.)
ONLY DONUT TRUMP (QAZI HAFAZ) CAN DELIVER !!
there is no wishful thinking. Trump is an inward looking president who didn't start any new wars neither got himself involved in any known regime change operations anywhere in the world. if he continues with the same policy in his second term, that alone is enough for a basket case 3rd world country like Pakistan.
Ye to hai.
Roti ka sawaal hai baba.
جبکہ حامد میر اسی میڈیا کا ملازم ہے


 

Lathi-Charge

Senator (1k+ posts)
I am not saying that there is no chance that he might push the POA (Pak Occupation Army) to stop with this non-sense behavior but when i indicated is that there is more to what is happening in Pakistan, it is not a Presidential project, it is a deep state project and unluckily both Dems and Republicans are happy to for the china containment policy.
He is good for Ukrainian issue, he is good for Europe in a ironic sense but when it comes to Pakistan. I am not too hopeful.
Do agree with you that US deep state look at things from a certain angle & also agree that China is certainly on direct collision course with the US interests but its mostly confined to economy. Pakistan does not offer much viz a viz US China economic tussle, though Pakistan's rogue generals would love to have such scenario at play.
 

M_Shameer

Senator (1k+ posts)
اور کچھ ہو نا ہو، اس بات کی خوشی ضرور ہے کہ جو بائیڈن جس نے عمران کیساتھ کبھی بات بھی نہیں کی۔اور اسکی حکومت ختم کر دی تھی ۔ اس حرامی کی پارٹی ہار گئی اور وہ خود ذلیل ہو کے صدارتی محل سے دفع ہو جائیگا۔۔ ہمارے لیے فی الحال یہی اطمینان کافی ہے ۔

باقی چینی کمپنیوں نے ایسٹ انڈیا کمپنی کے طرز پہ نے پاکستان میں چوروں کیساتھ مل کے کئی فضول پراجیکٹس شروع کیے ہیں جنکا خراج عوام کی چمڑیوں سے تیل نکال کے ادا ہو رہا ہے۔۔۔ اور فائدہ چوروں اور چینی کمپنیوں کو ہو رہا ہے ۔

سوائے گوادر بندرگاہ کے باقی سب پراجیکٹس غیر ضروری ہیں

یوتھیے۔ جو بائیڈن نے واقعی خان کے ساتھ بہت ظلم کیا، خان بے چارا بھیک مانگ مانگ کر اور ترلے کر کرکے تھک گیا، مگر بائیڈن نے اس کو ایک فون کال کی بھیک تک دینا گوارا نہیں کیا۔ خان کو تو وہ اپنی جوتی برابر نہیں سمجھتا تھا۔ ہار گیا نا الیکشن۔ اب کیڑے پڑیں گے اس بائیڈن کو۔😶۔
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یوتھیے۔ جو بائیڈن نے واقعی خان کے ساتھ بہت ظلم کیا، خان بے چارا بھیک مانگ مانگ کر اور ترلے کر کرکے تھک گیا، مگر بائیڈن نے اس کو ایک فون کال کی بھیک تک دینا گوارا نہیں کیا۔ خان کو تو وہ اپنی جوتی برابر نہیں سمجھتا تھا۔ ہار گیا نا الیکشن۔ اب کیڑے پڑیں گے اس بائیڈن کو۔😶۔

اوئے تو ابھی تک زندہ ہے؟ میں تو سمجھا شاید غیرت کا کوئی قطرہ تیرے اندر موجود ہو گا جس نے تجھے ہونوریبل ہاراکیری پے مجبور کر دیا ہو گا - لیکن نہی تو نے انسانی فضلے کے سمندر میں بیغیریتی کی زندگی جیے جانا ہے۰ باقی تجھے کیا پڑی ہے ان برَی برَی باتوں کی - تو بس اپنے روز کے راتب کی فکر کیا کر
 

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