What is Qiblah According To The Quran Alone?

[Wake up Pak]

 

[Wake up Pak]

I don't recall any verse in the Quran that tells us to perform the "Namaz" facing the Qibla (Kaaba).
Mughal1

 

[atensari]

it is not according to quran only. it is according to how speaker thinks.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

I strongly believe that garbage belongs to the bin.....NOT your mind

 

[Wake up Pak]

I strongly believe that garbage belongs to the bin.....NOT your mind

What garbage?

 

[Wake up Pak]

it is not according to quran only. it is according to how speaker thinks.

Maybe you did not even bother to listen to the video.

 

[atensari]

Maybe you did not even bother to listen to the video.

obviously, his voice is not Quran.

 

[Wake up Pak]

obviously, his voice is not Quran.

But the Late Dr. Israr Ahmed's voice is the Quran?

 

[atensari]

But the Late Dr. Israr Ahmed's voice is the Quran?

I never said this.

 

[Mughal1]

QUOTE="Wake up Pak, post: 7129214, member: 88750"]​

I don't recall any verse in the Quran that tells us to perform the "Namaz" facing the Qibla (Kaaba).​

Mughal1​

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dear wake up pak sb, I do not agree with anyone who thinks islam is a religion. Even people who claim islam is a governing system I disagree with almost all of them as well because they still take religion as part of deen of islam. This should be very obvious to anyone who reads through my posts. In my view islam is only and only a governing system for humanity in which religion has no place at all.​

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I do not accept ritualism as part of islam because it wastes time of people which could be better used for doing what needs to be done for managing people and things purposefully properly. Moreover I say islam is a governing system because that is the reality which we all observe all the time throughout human world ie no one comes into this world all by oneself. After coming into this world no one looks after oneself or raises oneself. All people who survive till old age need looking after by others. All people who suffer any accident which affect their functionality need help and support of others. Anyone can develop debilitating, crippling and paralysing health problem at any time during one's life time so one needs help and support of others. No one can meet all one's needs such as food, clothes, shelter, education, training and skills all by oneself so all of us need help and full support of each other and that help and support we need from each other with compassion, respect and love and not with abuse. All these are such facts about which no ruler, mullah or money lender can disagree. Nor any theist, atheist, scientist or philosopher can dare disagree.​

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These facts call upon humanity to have a purpose based proper governing system in place which could help them fulfil their these needs compassionately and respectfully as well as with love for each other. These facts force any individual to interpret the Quranic text in this context so that there comes about a good purpose based proper human community or society in the kingdom of God and so that it is maintained by mankind. This gives humanity such a huge task which leaves no room and no time for anyone to waste it for baseless, harmful and destructive beliefs and practices in the name of God.​

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This is why islam is governing system as a mission for mankind from God for bringing about and maintaining a purpose based proper human community in kingdom of God according to the purpose based proper Quranic guidance for mankind. This is why as for I am concerned mullahs are ignorant fools who have their own baseless ideas and practices which they call islam. These people are mentally so damaged that they cannot see beyond their self invented beliefs and practices which they try to impose upon rest of humanity.​

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Since islam is a purpose based proper governing system therefore it needs a purpose based proper movement for its purpose based proper establishment and maintenance. Therefore people need purpose based proper education, training and skills for doing that in order to complete the project or mission. Wasting time here and there can only and only prove a setback for this project or mission and therefore for humanity at large as well. This is why people who claim to be muslims almost all of them have become worthless and useless in the human world. They are busy fighting each other over nonissues which do not matter at all for humanity at large.​

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In fact this is the main reason all movements started by mullahs have failed because they have no worthwhile objectives to aim for which could attract human support worldwide. Who wants to die or kill for making people worship one God, for praying 5 times daily to one God, for fasting for one month for one God, for a little bit of charity for others for one God or for visiting a small worthless structure in makkah Saudi Arabia once in a lifetime? People are not that stupid, they know these things cannot be from God but since governing authorities in place in the human world enforce their self made laws to keep their hold on masses so they devise various processes and mechanisms as their projects to keep people in the dark and under their control. This is why they fund these mullahs as well because they are their stooges or lapdogs.​

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You can see people fight over meanings of words used in the quran but they have no solid foundation to base their arguments upon. This is why their explanations and evidences have no value at all. This is despite the fact that mullahs spend their lifetimes for learning what they claim islam to be. They tell you ways to understand the Quranic text but those ways do not work because they themselves are confused about them. I have pointed out these like things in my posts. This is why it is up to individuals to go through my posts and see if my explanations and evidences make the sense I wish to convey or not. Mullahs and their students are frogs in the well or they are like donkeys which are carrying books on their backs without knowing what is actual message in them. I rather use my time which could benefit others than waste it on arguing with brainless mullahs and their followers. People who wish to know mullah islam they can read books of people who belong to different religions and sects. It is because these books expose them fully.​

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Mullahs claim their beliefs and practices have been transmitted to them consistently so they cannot be wrong. Problem is, this notion in itself is false because of differences of opinions and practices people have invented and adopted. Can any mullah prove that there no difference of opinion between believers and disbelievers? Can any mullah prove that there is no difference of opinions between people who claim to be believers or people who claim to be disbelievers? If these are facts then it proves mullahs are foolish who claim unanimity and consistency of opinions about anything at all. This is why humanity needs a rule as a solid foundation whereby it could judge what is true and what false or what right and what is wrong. A rule which works for each and every person. This is why the quran should not be interpreted according to baseless harmful and destructive beliefs and practices of people but according to some solid rules which provide solid foundation for its purpose based proper interpretation. People are products of their own cultures and environments and the quran wants to bring them out of their cultures and environment so that they could become human beings worth the name. Instead of interpreting the quran the way it should be for the purpose it is sent for people try to bend it according to their own cultures and environments. This is why humanity remains in depths of darkness of ignorance instead of stepping into the light of knowledge.​

khud badalte nahin quraan ko badal dete hen.

 

[Wake up Pak]

QUOTE="Wake up Pak, post: 7129214, member: 88750"]​

I don't recall any verse in the Quran that tells us to perform the "Namaz" facing the Qibla (Kaaba).​

Mughal1 ​

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dear wake up pak sb, I do not agree with anyone who thinks islam is a religion. Even people who claim islam is a governing system I disagree with almost all of them as well because they still take religion as part of deen of islam. This should be very obvious to anyone who reads through my posts. In my view islam is only and only a governing system for humanity in which religion has no place at all.​

​

I do not accept ritualism as part of islam because it wastes time of people which could be better used for doing what needs to be done for managing people and things purposefully properly. Moreover I say islam is a governing system because that is the reality which we all observe all the time throughout human world ie no one comes into this world all by oneself. After coming into this world no one looks after oneself or raises oneself. All people who survive till old age need looking after by others. All people who suffer any accident which affect their functionality need help and support of others. Anyone can develop debilitating, crippling and paralysing health problem at any time during one's life time so one needs help and support of others. No one can meet all one's needs such as food, clothes, shelter, education, training and skills all by oneself so all of us need help and full support of each other and that help and support we need from each other with compassion, respect and love and not with abuse. All these are such facts about which no ruler, mullah or money lender can disagree. Nor any theist, atheist, scientist or philosopher can dare disagree.​

​

These facts call upon humanity to have a purpose based proper governing system in place which could help them fulfil their these needs compassionately and respectfully as well as with love for each other. These facts force any individual to interpret the Quranic text in this context so that there comes about a good purpose based proper human community or society in the kingdom of God and so that it is maintained by mankind. This gives humanity such a huge task which leaves no room and no time for anyone to waste it for baseless, harmful and destructive beliefs and practices in the name of God.​

​

This is why islam is governing system as a mission for mankind from God for bringing about and maintaining a purpose based proper human community in kingdom of God according to the purpose based proper Quranic guidance for mankind. This is why as for I am concerned mullahs are ignorant fools who have their own baseless ideas and practices which they call islam. These people are mentally so damaged that they cannot see beyond their self invented beliefs and practices which they try to impose upon rest of humanity.​

​

Since islam is a purpose based proper governing system therefore it needs a purpose based proper movement for its purpose based proper establishment and maintenance. Therefore people need purpose based proper education, training and skills for doing that in order to complete the project or mission. Wasting time here and there can only and only prove a setback for this project or mission and therefore for humanity at large as well. This is why people who claim to be muslims almost all of them have become worthless and useless in the human world. They are busy fighting each other over nonissues which do not matter at all for humanity at large.​

​

In fact this is the main reason all movements started by mullahs have failed because they have no worthwhile objectives to aim for which could attract human support worldwide. Who wants to die or kill for making people worship one God, for praying 5 times daily to one God, for fasting for one month for one God, for a little bit of charity for others for one God or for visiting a small worthless structure in makkah Saudi Arabia once in a lifetime? People are not that stupid, they know these things cannot be from God but since governing authorities in place in the human world enforce their self made laws to keep their hold on masses so they devise various processes and mechanisms as their projects to keep people in the dark and under their control. This is why they fund these mullahs as well because they are their stooges or lapdogs.​

​

You can see people fight over meanings of words used in the quran but they have no solid foundation to base their arguments upon. This is why their explanations and evidences have no value at all. This is despite the fact that mullahs spend their lifetimes for learning what they claim islam to be. They tell you ways to understand the Quranic text but those ways do not work because they themselves are confused about them. I have pointed out these like things in my posts. This is why it is up to individuals to go through my posts and see if my explanations and evidences make the sense I wish to convey or not. Mullahs and their students are frogs in the well or they are like donkeys which are carrying books on their backs without knowing what is actual message in them. I rather use my time which could benefit others than waste it on arguing with brainless mullahs and their followers. People who wish to know mullah islam they can read books of people who belong to different religions and sects. It is because these books expose them fully.​

​

Mullahs claim their beliefs and practices have been transmitted to them consistently so they cannot be wrong. Problem is, this notion in itself is false because of differences of opinions and practices people have invented and adopted. Can any mullah prove that there no difference of opinion between believers and disbelievers? Can any mullah prove that there is no difference of opinions between people who claim to be believers or people who claim to be disbelievers? If these are facts then it proves mullahs are foolish who claim unanimity and consistency of opinions about anything at all. This is why humanity needs a rule as a solid foundation whereby it could judge what is true and what false or what right and what is wrong. A rule which works for each and every person. This is why the quran should not be interpreted according to baseless harmful and destructive beliefs and practices of people but according to some solid rules which provide solid foundation for its purpose based proper interpretation. People are products of their own cultures and environments and the quran wants to bring them out of their cultures and environment so that they could become human beings worth the name. Instead of interpreting the quran the way it should be for the purpose it is sent for people try to bend it according to their own cultures and environments. This is why humanity remains in depths of darkness of ignorance instead of stepping into the light of knowledge.​

khud badalte nahin quraan ko badal dete hen.
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As received.

The Quran is a book that promises individual rights and liberties, tolerance, and total freedom. It provides information about human relations, warns against racial polarization, and promises happiness in this life and the hereafter, as well as global peace. It emphasizes compassion towards each other and regulates social life, regardless of religion.
Deen is a way of life, not a particular religion. Islam as we know it today is not at all what is envisioned in the Quran.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

What garbage?

Someone in 15th century comes up with the new definition of Qibla.... Bro, we are not dealing with lexicals, prove it, though you cant, from either any of the 04 sources of Shariat. Else, use your energies in better ways

 

[Wake up Pak]

Someone in 15th century comes up with the new definition of Qibla.... Bro, we are not dealing with lexicals, prove it, though you cant, from either any of the 04 sources of Shariat. Else, use your energies in better ways

Maybe you want to explain the Qibla as per your sources.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

Maybe you want to explain the Qibla as per your sources.

numerous Ahadeeth, you can search. Also, just like Wuzu and Aza'an its authenticity is now not limited to texts, rather upon continuity

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

Maybe you want to explain the Qibla as per your sources.

Better ask an Islamic scholar in your vicinity. If there is no one then you may discuss with me

 

[Wake up Pak]

numerous Ahadeeth, you can search. Also, just like Wuzu and Aza'an its authenticity is now not limited to texts, rather upon continuity

I do not believe in ahadith but you do, so maybe you could tell us what Qibla is?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Better ask an Islamic scholar in your vicinity. If there is no one then you may discuss with me

There is no Islamic scholar according to the Quran. Read the Quran, and you will understand it. The person in the video has explained it in detail.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

There is no Islamic scholar according to the Quran. Read the Quran, and you will understand it. The person in the video has explained it in detail.

Nope. He is giving illogical arguments. He is talking about lexicals. We are not talking about lexicals in Islam. Better DM/PM me, then I'll explain you. Before that, send me your intro.

Stick shaking has altogether different meaning in Aviation. Christamas tree has different meaning in Oil n Gas E&P....so on.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

I do not believe in ahadith but you do, so maybe you could tell us what Qibla is?

if you dont believe in Ahadeeth then you dont believe in Islam. Learned about "AXIOMS"

 

[Wake up Pak]

if you dont believe in Ahadeeth then you dont believe in Islam. Learned about "AXIOMS"

Is that you Rambler