The myth of Ghazwa-tul-Hind

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The myth of Ghazwa-tul-Hind


Religion has quite frequently been used as an excuse for military motives. Talking specifically about Islam,hadees has been used as a tool to invent excuses for political motivations and military interventions/attacks as and when required.

There has been enormous hue and cry over Ghazwa-tul-Hind for years. This was probably first used by self-styled Jihadi activists in Pakistan for getting public support in Pakistan and raising funds to be used in their attacks in Kashmir with the aim of conquering India and creating what they call dar-ul-Islam. It is very interesting to note that neither Arabs nor the Mujahideen of Afghanistan made use of these ahadees to wage a war against India. Pakistan army, ISI and the local Jihadis have a monopoly over Ghazwa-tul-Hind for now, although they don’t talk specifically about Green Pakistani Jihadis waging the war.

Ghazwa-tul-Hind: Pakistani flag hoisted at Red Fort, Delhi, India. This image was created and circulated by the Brasstacks.biz (ISI mouth-piece Zaid Hamid's organization) team.

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Islamists and right-wing-military-apologists have fallen to the propaganda of Pakistan army and ISI when they propagate waging a war against the neighboring country India, finding excuses for ding so throughhadees. Zaid Hamid, the mouth-piece of ISI and Pakistan army has been making use of Ghazwa-tul-Hind (6hadees in total), promoting hatred against Hindus and war hysteria. These hadees are available here.

Are they authentic ?

1. Just a brief look at these will make it clear that none of these five ahadees are found in Sihah-e-Sitta. Two of these appear to be in the collections of ahadees by Imam Nisai but not in Sunan an-Nisai al Sughra, the book considered to be among the Sihah-e-Sitta, the six books considered most reliable by main-stream Muslims.
2. The others are not even found in the reliable collections of respected muhadiseen.
3. Note that Imam Nisai died in 915. The years of death of other respected muhadiseen to whom Sihah-e-Sitta are attributed to: Imam Bukhari in 870, Imam Muslim in 875, Abu Daud in 888, al-Tirmizi in 892,Imam Malik in 796, Ibn Maja in 886. All of them died before Imam Nisai. It does not make much sense that we have these ahadees being narrated through Imam Nisai but not through any of the other respected muhadiseen who lived before him.
4. They are narrated through a single chain. Reported only once through one companion of the Prophet.
5. Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of ahadees.
6. It is very important to note that none of these are found in any of the collections of ahadees which theShia Muslims consider authentic. This raises the question if they were invented by the Ummayads/Abbasids considering their expansionist designs? This is also to be noted that Ummayads did reach Sindh, a part of Hind back then.
7. One must also note the fact that we don’t have any history report telling us about the use of theseahadees in the past by Muslim rulers or conquerors, even those who did invade India or waged a war on it. If they were respected and authentic ahadees, we should have such history reports.

Fourthly, it must be remembered that it would have been very easy for Muslim conquerors of India in the past, men like Mahmud of Ghazni, Shihabuddin Ghori, Timur, Nadir Shah and so on, to present the hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind and wield it as a weapon to justify their attacks on the country. The corrupt ulema associated with their courts could well have suggested this to them had they wished. However, no such mention is made about this in history books. In the eighteenth century, the well-known Islamic scholar Shah Waliullah of Delhi invited the Afghan warlord Ahmad Shah Abdali to invade India and dispel the Marathas, which he accepted, but yet Shah Waliullah, too, did not use this hadith as a pretext for this. [1]

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What if they are authentic ?
It is also pertinent to examine how some well-known contemporary Indian ulema look at this hadith report.

1. Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani, a leading figure of the Jamiat ul-Ulema-i Hind, opines that this hadith was fulfilled at the time of the ‘Four Righteous Caliphs’ of the Sunnis, soon after the demise of the Prophet Muhammad, when several companions of the Prophet came to India, mainly in order to spread Islam. [1]
2. Mufti Sajid Qasmi, who teaches at the Dar ul-Uloom in Deoband, is also of the same opinion, although he believes that it might also refer to the invasion of Sindh by the Arabs under Muhammad bin Qasimin the eighth century. [1]
3. On the other hand, Maulana Mufti Mushtaq Tijarvi of the Jamaat-i Islami Hind believes that it is possible that this hadith report is not genuine at all and that it might have been fabricated at the time of Muhammad bin Qasim’s invasion of Sindh in order to justify it. [1]

Scholars and historians argue that even if they are considered as authentic, it might be the case that they talk about an event which has already happened.

1. On the other hand, if this hadith report is indeed genuine—which it might well be—in my view, the battle against India that it predicted was fulfilled in the early Islamic period itself, and is not something that will happen in the future. This, in fact, is the opinion of the majority of the ulema, qualified Islamic scholars. And this view accords with reason as well. [1]
2. It is quite likely that the ghazwat ul-hind that this report predicted took the form of the attack by an Arab Muslim force on Thana and Bharuch, in coastal western India , in the 15th year or the Islamic calendar in the reign of the Caliph Umar. [1]
3. Equally possibly, it could have been fulfilled in the form of the missionary efforts of some of the Prophet’s companions soon after, in the reign of the Caliphs Uthman and Ali, in Sindh and Gujarat .[1]
4. Some other ulema consider this hadith to have been fulfilled in the form of the attack and occupation of Sindh by Arab Muslims led by Muhammad bin Qasim in the 93rd year of the Islamic calendar, which then facilitated the spread of Islam in the country. [1]
5. This might well be the case, for the hadith report about the ghazwat ul-hind contained in the Masnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, a well-known collection of Hadith narratives attributed to the Prophet, mentions that the Muslim army that would attack India would be sent in the direction of Sindh and Hind. [1]

Opinion of the religious scholars
I inquired about the authenticity of these ahadees from a few religious scholars and would like to share their opinion in this regard:

Ayotullah Fadlallah, Lebanon

Such things exist in the hadith collections, which are often either placed or mounted on a symbolic meaning, or they talk about something historic which has happened in the context of what we believe in self-defense. Further, the hadith in question can be doubted about their autenticity as they are not found in any reliable and agreed upon source. The chain of narrators is weak to be considered authentic.
In this day and age what would govern the relations of Muslims and followers of other religions, are the international treaties and covenants that ensure the state security, peace and freedom of belief for all human beings.
These treaties are binding on Muslims, especially as they are consistent with the approach of Islam declared in the Qur’an about the obligation to respect the religions and the freedom and security of other peoples.
Hence, the use of such hadith for political or military motives is discouraged.
The Office of the referenda for Religious Authority
Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah
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Research Wing, Al-Mawrid Institue

assalaam o alaykum
I have tried to find out the sources of these traditions. None of these traditions is found in reliable soruces like Bukhari, Muslim, Mu’atta etc. If we suppose them to be reliable they talk about an even that has happened already. They do not talk about Pakistanis fighting Indians. They talk about Arabs on an expedition to India and conquering it.
Tariq Mahmood Hashmi
Associate Editor
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Khalid Zaheer, Al-Mawrid, Lahore, Pakistan

SalaamAll these ahadith refer to troops going from Palestine and Syria and returning to those regions. Even if these ahadith were authentic, and they are indeed found in reliable books, they have nothing to do with any possibility of an Indo-Pak war.The other important thing to note is that Abu Huraira, the companion-narrator is suggesting that it was something that was about to happen during his lifetime. it is quite likely that Muhammad Bin Qasim’s conquest of Sind was being prophesied in these ahadith.
The third important matter to note is that a message as important as the one mentioned in these narratives is described in all different versions through only one companion. Clearly, if the message was important, there should have been several narrators mentioning it.

This message therefore cannot be employed as an excuse to fight against India. We can fight against India or any other nation only if conditions of Jihad are satisfied, which are: it should be declared by a Muslim ruler, Muslims should be at least half as militarily strong as their enemies, and the enemy should be guilty of blatant injustice against a group of people. Any individual or group of people cannot declare Jihad on their own against anyone; if they do, they will be guilty of creating fasaad fil ‘ard (mischief on earth). [2]


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Information on the ahadees available at http://www.ghazwatulhind.com/
Hadees No. 1
Important References Provided : Masnad of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Sunan al-Mujtababa and Sunana al-Kubra of Imam Nisai
Hadees No. 2
Important References Provided : Masnad of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Sunan-al-Kubra of Imam Nisai
Hadees No. 3
Important References Provided : Naeem bin Hammad in Kitab-al-Fattan
Hadees No. 4
Important References Provided : Naeem bin Hammad in Kitab-al-Fattan
(The name of one of the ravi is missing from the chain of narrators, hence this is to be ignored technically)
Hadees No. 5
Important References Provided : Naeem bin Hammad in Kitab-al-Fattan

Sources:
[1] http://madrasareforms.blogspot.com/2009/01/maulana-waris-mazhari-countering.html
Maulana Waris Mazhari, a graduate of the Dar ul-Uloom at Deoband, is the editor of the Delhi-based ‘Tarjuman Dar ul-Uloom’, the official organ of the Deoband Graduates’ Association. He can be contacted on [email protected]

[2] http://www.khalidzaheer.com/qa/399
Dr Khalid Zaheer is the Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences of University of Central Punjab since July 1, 2009. Prior to joining UCP, he was the Director education, Al-Mawrid, which is an NGO established to promote research and education on Islam. Prior to joining Al-Mawrid in September 2006, he was an Associate Professor of Islamic Studies and Ethics at Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS). He has a teaching experience of more than 20 years.

 

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We can argue upon it yet I want to ask one question that this research comes from an institute whose head i.e Javed Ghamdi openly says that the need for jihad has gone void as there is none to tell that itmam e hujjat has been done so his discussion upon ghazwa e Hind or anything related to it! Can't it be biased as voiding jihad itself is something which is very suspicious.

Also in the discussion from Khalid Zaheer, he has mentioned Abu Hurairah R.A but it might be of interest that in that Hadith, Muhammad pbuh clearly told Abu Hurairah R.A that it was quite impossible for him to participate in that war (which depicts that it wasn't near his time).

[MENTION=12948]sdmuashr[/MENTION] @WatanDost

Mates you might want to debate here too (magar please yaar bura bhala na kehna kisi ko).

Thanks.

 

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Some people are hell-bent on promoting the rubbish secular agenda for which Pakistan was never meant for. Anyways here is a refutation to the rubbish you just posted (bigsmile)(bigsmile)

Purposes of this article is to analyze various aspects of Ghazwatulhind and learn through healthy discussion. Howerver I will try to give references and counter-arguments wherever necessary.

Religion has quite frequently been used as an excuse for military motives. Talking specifically about Islam, hadeeshas been used as a tool to invent excuses for political motivations and military interventions/attacks as and when required .

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It is a fact and unfortunate one that Islam along with other religions of the world has a history of being misused and this is one of the unfortunate realities we are living today.

There has been enormous hue and cry over Ghazwa-tul-Hind for years. This was probably first used by self-styledJihadi activists in Pakistan for getting public support in Pakistan and raising funds to be used in their attacks in Kashmir with the aim of conquering India and creating what they call dar-ul-Islam. It is very interesting to note that neither Arabs nor the Mujahideen of Afghanistan made use of these ahadees to wage a war against India. Pakistan Army, ISI and the local Jihadis have a monopoly over Ghazwa-tul-Hind for now, although they don’t talk specifically about Green Pakistani Jihadis waging the war.

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If Ghazwatulhind and its Ahadees are discovered/produced recently, it will be very easy to question rather nullify their credibility. If a Hadees was authentic, that must have been known to the Muslims before ISI and Jihadis started using it. Is there any historical reference of Ahadees of Ghazwatulhind in the past? Lets explore.

Hafiz Ibn Kathir [Author of Tafseer Ibn Kathir] in his another book “Al Bidaya Wan Nihaya” [From the Beginning to End]’s last Volume “Al Nihaya Wal Bidaya” had discussed this Hadith of Ghazwa-e-Hind and in total had given names of multiple Islami Military Campaigns on Hind. The commentary by Ibn-e-Kathir [Mohaddis] on that “Ghazwa-e-Hind” Hadith is worth reading and he interpreted that Hadith [with Historical References and Health of the Narrators' Chain] and clearly written that all those Islamic Armies who launched expedition on Hind were Jihad and he included Mohammad Bin Qasim and Mahmood Bin Subugtagin [Mehmood Ghaznavi] and many other Turk Kings. He included China and Central Asia while interpreting these Hadiths. [Reference: Authenticity of Hadiths anc Narrators get Al Taqreeb by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.

Learning aspect: Hafiz Ibn Kathir was born in 1302 AD, some 709 years ago and is author of one of the most respected Tafseer-e-Quraan existing to-date. [Reference of Hafiz Ibn Kathir’s age.] [Reference of Tafseer-Ibn-Kathir]. Hafiz Ibn Kathir has mentioned several expeditions against India that were done because of Ahadith of GhazwatuHind. So Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind were known to Muslims tens of centuries before Pakistan or ISI existed.

Islamists and right-wing-military-apologists have fallen to the propaganda of Pakistan Army and ISI when they propagate waging a war against the neighboring country India, finding excuses for ding so through hadees. Zaid Hamid, the mouth-piece of ISI and Pakistan Army has been making use of Ghazwa-tul-Hind (6 hadees in total), promoting hatred against Hindus and war hysteria. These hadees are available here.

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This paragraph is more of a political opinion and targets a personality. Whether these allegations are true or not, they do not deal with the credibility of Ahadith so let’s stay focused to the topic.

Are they authentic ?

The writer of the original article has given a very good set of questions that challenge the authenticity of these Ahadith. And if answer of these questions goes against the Ahadith, we can safely declare Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind as false or fabricated. So let’s explore them one by one.

Just a brief look at these will make it clear that none of these five ahadees are found in Sihah-e-Sitta. Two of these appear to be in the collections of ahadees by Imam Nisai but not in Sunan an-Nisai al Sughra, the book considered to be among the Sihah-e-Sitta, the six books considered most reliable by main-stream Muslims.

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Factually wrong: Imam Nisai has narrated this Hadees in both of his books; ‘As Sunan al Sughra (also known as Al Mujtaba) as well as in ‘As Sunan Al Kubra. This is exactly the same book in which writer suggests it does not exist but the fact is that it is there in the same book. Would you like to see that?

Learning Aspect: Please browse Sunan-Nasai available online or in any public/Islamic library. Sunan-Nasai is available at Scribed.com,Ekabakti.com (you can also download that from the links given at the end of this article) and there will be 1000s of online reading resources which you can try. I encourage you to visit any nearest library and find Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind yourself. Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind exist at:

• Sunan-Nasai (Al Sughra/ Al Mujtaba) Vol. 3/6
  • Chapter No. 26 – KitabulJihad
    • Sub Chapter No. 41 - Ghazwatulhind
      • Hadith No. 3173 (By Hazrat Abu Hurraira)
      • Hadith No. 3174 (By Hazrat Abu Hurraira)
      • Hadith No. 3175 (By Hazrat Soban)

Note: Since there are two similar Hadith referenced from Abu Hurraira, these two Ahadith of Abu Hurraira are considered as one Hadith. Therefore three Ahadith of Sunan-Nasai are also sometimes described as two Ahadith.

The others are not even found in the reliable collections of respected muhadiseen.[hilar][hilar]

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Factually Wrong: Immam Nasai is one of the most credible and respectable Mohadis. To establish his credibility further, Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal, (Sheikh Ul Islam) narrated this Hadees in ‘Masnad’. And Immam Ibn-e-Kaseer (the author of Tafseer ibn-e-Khatir) mentions this Hadees with his reference in his book ‘Al-Badaya Wa Nahaya’.

Also it is important to note that in the list of books called Sahi Sita (6 credible books of Hadith), Sunan-Nasai is accepted third most credible book after Sahi Bukhari and Sahi Muslim.

Note that Imam Nisai died in 915. The years of death of other respected muhadiseen to whom Sihah-e-Sitta are attributed to: Imam Bukhari in 870, Imam Muslim in 875,Abu Daud in 888, al-Tirmizi in 892,Imam Malik in 796, Ibn Maja in 886. All of them died before Imam Nisai. It does not make much sense that we have these ahadees being narrated through Imam Nisai but not through any of the other respected muhadiseen who lived before him.

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Learning Aspect: There are thousands of Ahadith which are narrated by Immam Nasai and not all of them exist in Sahi Bukhari or Sahi Mulims or other books of Ahadith. Also Sahi Bukhari has narrated hundreds of Ahadith which are not listed on other books. To judge the credibility of a Hadith, this is not a criteria to see if it exists in other books too but there are parameters and defined procedures to evaluate whether given Hadith is credible or not-credible. [Learn what makes a Hadith Sahi, Hasan or Zaeef]

They are narrated through a single chain. Reported only once through one companion of the Prophet.

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Factually Wrong: Hadith has been quoted by multiple narrators with independent chain of references. [hilar][hilar]

Learning Aspect: Ahadith mentioned in Sunan-Nasai Al Sughra quotes it with reference to “Hazrat Soban” and “Hazrat Abu Hurraira” independently. In addition to Independent chain of narrations of “Hazrat Soban” there are two Ahadith by the reference of “Abu Hurraira” that again have two independent chain of narrations. Thus there are 3 unique and credible chain of narration for the 3 Ahadith mentioned in Sunan-Nasai.
It is also important learn that there exist more than 14 “Ravis” who have quoted the same Hadith with “slight changes” but because of weaker chain of narrations, those Hadith are not given their due significance. Regarding Ahadith of Sunan-Nasai, there are more than 16 witnesses of one Hadith alone. So the exist multiple, independent and credible narrators who have quoted these Adhadith in various times being independent of each other and in various books.

Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these Ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of Ahadees.

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First: Hadith of Ghazwatulhind are not “the” most important Hadith as it is about future events instead of belief or practices which constitute Fiqa (the Islamic Law).
Second: there are already multiple witnesses to the Hadith and Multiple and Independent Muhadiseen have narrated it.

Third: there are extremely important Ahadith which were narrated by Hazrat Ayesha Sadiqa and Hazrat Ans bin Malik alone as they were among few companions of Prophet Mohammad PBUH who stayed close to him at times when others were not. This has never been a pattern of the life of Prophet Mohammad PBUH that the most important Hadith would be told before many Sahaba (R) and least important ones would be told before one, two or few companions.

It is very important to note that none of these are found in any of the collections of ahadees which the Shia Muslims consider authentic. This raises the question if they were invented by the Ummayads/Abbasids considering their expansionist designs? This is also to be noted that Ummayads did reach Sindh, a part of Hind back then.

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Learning Aspect: Shia Muslims do not rely on source of Ahadith outside Silsila of Ahle-e-Bait. That’s why Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind is not the only Hadith but there thousands of Ahadith in Sunni Muslim’s books but not in Shia Mulims’s books. For more learning:Wikipedia: Shia Muslims books of Ahadith.

One must also note the fact that we don’t have any history report telling us about the use of these ahadees in the past by Muslim rulers or conquerors, even those who did invade India or waged a war on it. If they were respected and authentic ahadees, we should have such history reports.

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Factually Wrong: Muslims in the past made several military expeditions in the light of these Ahadith. The commentary by Ibn-e-Kathir (written around 1370 AD, some 700 years ago) on that “Ghazwa-e-Hind” Hadith is worth reading and he interpreted that Hadith and clearly written that all those Muslim rules who launched expedition on Hind were Jihad. He included Mohammad Bin Qasim and Mahmood Bin Subugtagin [Mehmood Ghaznavi] and many other Turk Kings as well.

After understanding various aspects about Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind, we can establish

• Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind hasn’t been discovered recently and Muslims know them since the time of Holy Prophet PBUH.
• Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind are Authentic and found in Sunan-Nasai Al Sughra, one of the 6 credible books of Ahadith.
• These Ahadith have multiple narrators and Independent Silsila of Naration.
• Muslims in the past knew about these Ahadith, referenced them and used them in their books.
• There has been multiple expeditions against Hind by Muslims in the past on the basis of Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind.

In the “What if they are authentic ?” section, the writer has provided testaments of Ulema who believe Ahadees to be true. The only difference of opinion they have is that in their opinion, the Ahadith have came true already. If these Hadith were non-credible, the Ulema must have rejected them the first place, but rather they gave their opinion about the fulfillment and believed these Ahadith have already came true.
The Ulema who has given this verdict include:

• Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani, a leading figure of the Jamiat ul-Ulema-i Hind.
• Mufti Sajid Qasmi, who teaches at the Dar ul-Uloom Deoband.

Are these Ahadith fulfilled already?

Now let’s look at all the Ahadith of GhazwatulHind once again and try to understand if they have been fulfilled already.
In addition to 2 Ahadith of Sunan-Nasai, there exist 3 more Ahadith and one of them says

“A King of Jerusalem (Bait-ul-Muqaddas) would make a troop move forward towards Hindustan. The Warriors destroy the land of Hind; would possess its treasures, then King would use those treasures for the dcor of Jerusalem. That troop would bring the Indian kings in front of King(of Jerusalem). His Warriors by King’s order would conquer all the area between East & West. And would stay in Hindustan till the issue of Dajjal”.

Reference: Naeem bin Hammad(R) Ustaaz Imam Bukhari(R) narrate this Hadees in his book ‘Al-Fitan’. In it, the name of the quoter is not mentioned who related it to Hazrat Kaab(R.A.). But some Arabic words are being used, so this would be considered intersected. Those wordings are: (Almuhkamubnu Naafi-in Amman Haddasahu An Kaabin).

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In the last line, the Hadith says “And would stay in Hindustan till the issue of Dajjal”. The Dajjas didn’t arrive after the expeditions on Hind in the past. That means the battle which is being referred to hasn’t happened yet.

Question: Does it mean Muslims would arrive in Hind as conquerors and thereafter would stay there centuries after centuries until Dajjal would appear? Is Hadith referring to past expeditions and settled Muslims of Hind of today?

Answer:According to Hadith, the Muslims will capture the Kind of Hind and present him before King of Jerusalem. In the past conquests over Hind, such incident did not happen. So that gives us an indication that past campaigns against Hind were not GhazwatulHind. Following Hadith makes this aspect further clear which says:

“Some people of My Ummah will fight with Hindustan, Allah would grant them with success, even they would find the Indian kings being trapped in fetters. Allah would forgive those Warriors. When they would move towards Syria, then would find Isa Ibn-e-Maryam(A.S.) over there”
Reference: Naeem bin Hammad did narrate this Hadees in ‘Al Fitan’.

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Thus Hadith is reffering to the warriors who would conquer Hind and when they would move back, they would find Isa Ibn-e-Maryam (A.S) in Syria. Thus same army would Join Hazrat Isa (R.A) who would conquer Hind and this event never took place in the past battles. (bigsmile)

It is also important to note that the events of Dajjal, the Immam Mehdi and Prophet Isa (A.S) are connected and will happen within a short period of time, one after the other. There is good deal of detail available on this the subject at Shia.org (which discusses Shia and Sunni point of view) and a Sunni Fatwa which explains and connects these Ahadith without leaving a shadow of doubt whether the time of Ghazwatulhind was in the past or lies ahead of us. However if we only consider Ahadith of Sunan-Nasai, this conclusion would be hard to make.
Some contradictions and flaws found in the original article.

• The writer gives wrong information, claiming Ahadith of GhazwatuHind do not exist in Sunan-Nasai al Sughra but later in the references of First Hadith, Mentions the references to Sunan-Nasai AlMujtaba which is the same Sunan-Nasai Al Sughra and Al Mujtaba is its second name. [Wiki Reference] It is sad to know that the writer does not know names of books of Ahadith. [hilar][hilar]

• The writer himself quotes one of the Hadith that has broken chain of command and insist the event has already taken place, while ignoring 2 similar Ahaidth (similar because they also lie outside Sunan-Nasai/Sunan-Nasai Al Sughra/Sunan-Nasai Al Mujtaba) that give answer to his own question.

• After acknowledging the Ahaidth of Ghazwatulhind do not exist in the book accepted by Shia Alims, he has presented Fatwa by a Shia Alim who cannot testify in any case. [hilar][hilar]

• In the Section “Opinions of Scholars”, the given references who speak against are weak and not compareable to Jimeat-Ulema-i-Hind or Dar-ul-Aloom Deoband who are in the favor and who represent millions of Muslims. [hilar][hilar]

• People with no religious background are considered adequate to comment on religious aspect while Alims and Mohadaseen are considered as non-credible. [hilar]

• Representing “Al Mawarid Institute”, the ‘Editor’ has mentioned only 3 out of 6 books of Ahadith who he searched for reference for “Ghazwatulhind”. His searched books include Sahi Bukhari, Sahi Muslim and Moutha etc. It is essential that whoever gives Fatwa must do so after making complete research and exploring every possible authentic resource. But the “alim” made search through ’3 etc’ books. The ‘Editor’ did not mention name of Sunan Nasai altogether, thus an incomplete research cannot be accepted as basis of a Fatwa. [hilar][hilar]

• Reference Article written by Khalid Zaheer ( Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences of University of Central Punjab) himself states that he has not made any study on the authenticity of these Ahadith. [hilar][hilar]

• The writer claims Ahadith of GhazwatulHind to be in the “Collection o f Immam Nasai” withuot giving name of thatcollection and negates their existance in Sunan Nasai. However Ahadith of GhazwatulHind exist in Sunan-Nasai (both collections of Ahadith known as Al Kubra and Al Sughra/ Al Mujtaba). [hilar][hilar]

• The over-all understanding of writer on the subject is weak and he has made claims without making research. [hilar][hilar]

Since deen is a sensitive subject and not everybody who follows religion has capacity to make research, who-ever writes about religion must have adequate knowledge and research in hand before writing something. It is unfortunate that writer has been factually incorrect and used selective material to build his argument. I request all Muslims to make proper research before believing or accepting anything about religion.

May Allah help you find the right path and may all Muslims be on Sirat-e-Mustaqeem. Aamin.
Learning resources and references

• Hadith-Sunni– PowerPoint Presentation
• What maks Ahadith Zaeef and How it becomes Hasan
• Hadith Terminology – Wikipedia
• Sunan-Nasai (Al Sughra) Online Urdu/Arabic – Browse to 337/580 for these Ahadith.
• Sunan-Nasai (Al Sughra) Online Arabic
• Sunan-Nasai (Al Sughra) Arabic (Word Zipped) Documents –Maktabah.org
• Imam Mehdi and Ghazwa-e-Hind – Fatwa
• Imam Mehdi – In the light of Ahadith
• MYTHS AND REALITIES OF HADITH — a critical study
• Download: Sunun-Nasai Al Kubra (Arabic)
• Download: Sunan Nasai Al Sughra / Al Mujtaba (Arabic)

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[MENTION=23969]indigo[/MENTION]

bro, there are many myths... but the hadith regarding ghazwa e hind.."the name ghazwa e hind" is not used... is a sahih hadith and not one, but many similar haidths are present

but plz dont let ur sectarian or religious group affiliation take u away from a true hadith..

in our society, hadith are liked and disliked not on basis of research..but on the basis of sectarian affiliations...

 

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[Hard-Turth]

The Pakistani government and Taliban have a similar mentality, and it can prove to be very dangerous for the rest of the world, including the great nation we live in, the United States of America.
It is a well-known fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and therefore I find that it is my duty as an American Muslim to warn all of my fellow Americans that we are in grave danger of another 9/11 if we don’t sendour troops to Pakistan and put a just, democratic government into place. At this time, the Pakistani government is very supportive of the Taliban who are a group of violent oppressors that believe it is their duty to spread Islam by force.
God tells all Muslims in the Holy Quran that “there should be no compulsion in religion.” Chapter 2 Verse 257
Unfortunately, the Taliban and the government of Pakistan don’t understand this simple teaching of Islam, and I sincerely feel that this oppressive mindset will continue to allow the killing of thousands of innocent people of all faiths.
Before we allow the Taliban and Pakistan to gain further nuclear power, we must go into Pakistan and take away all of their weapons before we see a Hitler-like regime emerge, this time claiming that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims and wrongfully using Islam as a means of violence as done on 9/11.
To all my fellow Americans, all my Christian and Jewish friends, as well as Muslims, please write to your senator and representative, making them aware of the potential threat that the Taliban and the Pakistani government poses to the rest of us who desire to live in peaceful harmony. Please don’t take this matter lightly, as a Muslim, I clearly see the grave danger of the situation, and I ask for help from all those who are kind at heart.
God bless America and may God enable America to put an end to terrorism all around the world.
Jawwad Rushdi is a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of York.
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http://www.ydr.com/ci_15227694

 

[WatanDost]

We can argue upon it yet I want to ask one question that this research comes from an institute whose head i.e Javed Ghamdi openly says that the need for jihad has gone void as there is none to tell that itmam e hujjat has been done so his discussion upon ghazwa e Hind or anything related to it! Can't it be biased as voiding jihad itself is something which is very suspicious.

Also in the discussion from Khalid Zaheer, he has mentioned Abu Hurairah R.A but it might be of interest that in that Hadith, Muhammad pbuh clearly told Abu Hurairah R.A that it was quite impossible for him to participate in that war (which depicts that it wasn't near his time).

@sdmuashr @WatanDost

Mates you might want to debate here too (magar please yaar bura bhala na kehna kisi ko).

Thanks.

Lain Ji Kia mai aur kia MAIrI AUQAT.
Behas kia Karni.
HAM nai SUNNAH, Aur AAMANNA wa SADAQNA kaha.
Es sai Barh kar Hamari kia Auqat hai.
SADAQA YA RASOOL ALLAH pbuh

 

[Hard-Turth]

"The majority of people who have joined my sect are those who are either holding eminent posts with the British Court, or the goodly rich men, their servants and friends or businessmen, lawyers or those educated in the modern way or such famous scholars, servants and noblemen who have either served the British Government in the past or are serving it at present or their relations or friends who accepted the influence of their elders and the weekly holders of the office of the caretakers of some religious orders. In short, this is a party which is the protege of the British Government from whom it has earned good name and who is worthy of the Government's favors. Or it consists of people who are related to me or are among my servants."
(Poster dated Feb. 24, 1897;
Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 18, recorded by Qasim Ali Qadiani)

"No doubt my faith and doctrine, which I stress, is that Islam is composed of two parts. One is obedience to Allah and the other is obedience to the Government which has created peace and under whose protection we are safe from oppressors - that is the British Government.
(Shahadat-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 380;
Shahadat-ul-Quran, P. 86)

• "I have been writing in favor of the British Government from the past seventeen years. During all these seventeen years, in all the books which I wrote and publishes, I have been advocating to the people to be loyal to the British Government and have tried to persuade them to be sympathetic and obedient to government officers. I have given convincing lectures against Jihad and, as a matter of policy, I wrote many books in Arabic and Persian and published them in Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan abrogating Jihad and spent thousands of rupees in this propaganda."
  (Al-Barriah, Sept. 2, 1867, No. 3)
• "I have filled shelves with books which I wrote in praise of the British, especially about the abrogation of Jihad in which many Muslims believe. This is a big service to the Government. So I hope for an appropriate and good reward."
  (Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 19)

"I have spent most of my life in 'yeamanship' (supporting and defending) of the British Government and in opposing Jihad. I continued my efforts till the Muslims became sincerely faithful to this Government."
(Tiryaq-ul-Qulub, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 15, P. 155; Tiryaq-ul-Qulub, P. 15, Mirza Ghulam

 

[HHH...]

Come here alone for Jehad to save the world from Pakistan, why u calling US if u wanna go to Jannah(bigsmile)

The Pakistani government and Taliban have a similar mentality, and it can prove to be very dangerous for the rest of the world, including the great nation we live in, the United States of America.
It is a well-known fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and therefore I find that it is my duty as an American Muslim to warn all of my fellow Americans that we are in grave danger of another 9/11 if we don’t sendour troops to Pakistan and put a just, democratic government into place. At this time, the Pakistani government is very supportive of the Taliban who are a group of violent oppressors that believe it is their duty to spread Islam by force.
God tells all Muslims in the Holy Quran that “there should be no compulsion in religion.” Chapter 2 Verse 257
Unfortunately, the Taliban and the government of Pakistan don’t understand this simple teaching of Islam, and I sincerely feel that this oppressive mindset will continue to allow the killing of thousands of innocent people of all faiths.
Before we allow the Taliban and Pakistan to gain further nuclear power, we must go into Pakistan and take away all of their weapons before we see a Hitler-like regime emerge, this time claiming that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims and wrongfully using Islam as a means of violence as done on 9/11.
To all my fellow Americans, all my Christian and Jewish friends, as well as Muslims, please write to your senator and representative, making them aware of the potential threat that the Taliban and the Pakistani government poses to the rest of us who desire to live in peaceful harmony. Please don’t take this matter lightly, as a Muslim, I clearly see the grave danger of the situation, and I ask for help from all those who are kind at heart.
God bless America and may God enable America to put an end to terrorism all around the world.
Jawwad Rushdi is a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of York.
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http://www.ydr.com/ci_15227694

 

[TruPakistani]

جو غزو‏ۂ ہند کو نہیں مانتے، نہ مانیں، ان کے ماننے نہ ماننے سے کوئي فرق تو پڑے گا نہیں۔
آدھی سے زیادہ دنیا قرآن کو نہیں مانتی، تو کیا اسلام ختم ہو گیا؟
شیطان اور اس کے چیلے قیامت تک اسی کوشش میں لگیں رہیں گے ۔​

 

[_pakistan]

Brother do you know about Zohra Fona,Please explain about this,if you have any idea??

http://j.mp/OnlyTruth

 

[Temojin]

[MENTION=17789]WatanDost[/MENTION]

jazakAllah khair mere dost.

I intentionally didn't get into this debate due to a number of reasons. Abb mas'ala yeh hai ke koi kahay na kahay ham voh qoum hain jo iske liye tayyar hain. Surely whenever we meet an india, for say, I meet an indian, I don't go at his throat with a dagger but if they are up to something, then it is our duty to answer it. Aur agar Sarkar e Doaalam pbuh ne yeh farma dia hai to maano na maano ho ke to rahayga. The last time there was tension between india and Pakistan (after bombay issue), I remember my mother saying ke tum aagay ja ke na laray to doodh nahi bakhshoongi and it was not only my mother saying but almost all I met. Many women were ready to do nursing work and when some fighters (I was sitting near bedian at that time) flew by, all of us came out reciting nara e Takbeer and to show it to them enemies. I swear I felt such courage and will to fight at that time that I have never had. Even an very old ex-army sipahi who could barely walk came almost running in the street showing fists towards sky as we were all expecting a dogfight of fighters after that surgical strike statement from india.

We want peace but sabotaging our emotions is not that easy through some people who have worked for decades to come to this point and now present these kinds of ideas openly. This shows how tolerant out society is that we let these people roam around among us and let them talk about anything they want to. ghamdi is abroad but his whole brigade is here and none has been harmed and they accuse us of being extremists.

 

[_pakistan]

@WatanDost,bhai aap nay jo uper hawala hadith diaye hain, us main aik hadith main Sindh ki baat bhi hui hay?? ager sindh bhi hay tou hum sirf gazwae hindh kion kehtay hain.
aur dusri baat kia gazwae hindh main Pakistan, Bangladeh aur kashmir bhi hay ???
aur tesri baat is gazwa main kia arab Musilman shareek hon gay ,ya sirf pakistani. Aur is Gazwa ka maqsad kia hay?? please bura na manaye ga ,please jawab zarur dain.
@TruPakistani

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[Temojin]

Come here alone for Jehad to save the world from Pakistan, why u calling US if u wanna go to Jannah(bigsmile)

I think he is opposing them and showing what they say about it. Or I might be wrong. If so, then I wrongly thanked or liked his posts.

[MENTION]Hard-Truth[/MENTION]

 

[WatanDost]

This is My Believe That GHAMDI
Is doing SAME thing for WHICH
Mirza Ghulam AHMED Qadiyani was PLANTED.

But These forces of EVIL now believe that
"They were DEFEATED on QadiYani Front" ALHAMDOLILLAH

Finally they Decided that the New Weapon of EEMAN Destruction
Should be in maintained in "Hadood o Qayyood of ISLAM"

i.e. False Flags Scholar JAVED AHMED GHAMDI

I am really AMAZED after reading and Listening to GHAMDI
He is Preaching ALMOST same Beliefs of Mirza Ghulam AHMED Qadiyani
BUT WITHOUT CLAIM OF Prophethood.


ALLAH APNI PANAH MAIN rakhay hum MUSALMANOON KO. AAMEEN sum AAMEEN