Mother of 4 arrested on Blasphemy Charges in Lahore

[Ahud1]

She should be hanged on charing cross after stonning and litrol if she really claimed that she is a prophet.

However, if she is innocent,
the complainant should be litrol with all of his supporters and family in the middle of Sharah Faisal and then should be stoned while lower half of him buried in soil and than should be kept hang until he consumed by vultures.

 

[modern.fakir]

Are you a scholar man ?? ...Then why you acting like a dumbass ?? ...We have all the proof thats why their is a LAW ...Here Have fun :

The following Reference of Holy Quran Chapter 4 V 65 was revealed when a man was beheaded by the Hazrat Umar (R.A) due to non compliance of judgment given by Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W).

Context of Revelation (Chapter 4, V 65):
Al-Hafiz Abu Ishaq Ibrahim bin `Abdur-Rahman bin Ibrahim bin Duhaym recorded that Damrah narrated that two men took their dispute to the Prophet , and he gave a judgment to the benefit of whoever among them had the right. The person who lost the dispute said, “I do not agree.” The other person asked him, “What do you want then” He said, “Let us go to Abu Bakr As-Siddiq.” They went to Abu Bakr and the person who won the dispute said, “We went to the Prophet with our dispute and he issued a decision in my favor.” Abu Bakr said, “Then the decision is that which the Messenger of Allah issued.” The person who lost the dispute still rejected the decision and said, “Let us go to `Umar bin Al-Khattab.” When they went to `Umar, the person who won the dispute said, “We took our dispute to the Prophet and he decided in my favor, but this man refused to submit to the decision.” `Umar bin Al-Khattab asked the second man and he concurred. `Umar went to his house and emerged from it holding aloft his sword. He struck the head of the man who rejected the Prophet’s decision with the sword and killed him. Consequently, Allah revealed, the aforementioned verse.[Context taken from Tafseer Ibn-e-Kathir]

Get a life man, when did Prophet SAW said kill who claims to be a Prophet? Lets admit its not in Quran. It's not in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim either. What're you talking about? You've made your own Islam? Don't come up with examples from " khilaft e rashida". Please provide references from Quran and Sunat, strong enough to be a base to a judgement to take the life of a living human being, please.

 

[modern.fakir]

THIS IS SHariah ...YOu have nailed it (clap)(clap)(clap) BUT both of these things will not happen under this ROTTEN SECULAR SYSTEM (bigsmile)

She should be hanged on charing cross after stonning and litrol if she really claimed that she is a prophet.

However, if she is innocent,
the complainant should be litrol with all of her supporters and family in the middle of Sharah Faisal and then should be stoned while lower half of him buried in soil and than should be kept hang until he consumed by vultures.

 

[lurker]

There is NO difference !...The superseding is in YOUR mind (bigsmile)..A Quran is a Quran whether walking or written BUT their would be no written Quran without the Walking one ;)...YOU THINK ABOUT IT ..Mr. Hajj in a Temple :lol::lol:

Be careful there Fakir. You are walking on a slippery slope. I ask you again, The 114 Surahs in the Quran do not impose a punishment for Blasphemy. It's like they say, if it is not written its not binding.

Saying there are Two Qurans is also blasphemy. btw. Should I press a charge for mr Fakir? lol.

 

[TONIC]

You didn't get my point... I was not saying anything about the person being involved or the person accusing... I was talking about the "so called Islamic Law" in Pakistan...

Law should be created just to punish these kind of culprits who are doing blasphemy or who are using blasphemy for personal gain.

 

[karachiwala]

Well it also looks to me like if you are trying to get an express immigration to a European country then you can go this way also.

In this case however, the accuser has to come clean, if not then should be punished in accordance with the same law that applies to the accused.

 

[lurker]

This is what happens when SECULAR judiciary royally screws up the Judiciary and every pillar of the state ...Thats why we need a Khilafat and complete control of sharia to stop this non-sense !!:)

Oh stop your whining. This woman is accused of Blasphemy. Do you know what Blasphemy is? It's a religious charge. So where is the damn secularism if such a Law exists !? Where are your Khalifahs? Where are your Imams? Where are you Scholars? You call the Islamic Heartland as western appointed pawns. You have NO foundation to even stand on anymore. Now you have a "Written Quran" and a "Walking Quran". Your words. Not mine.

 

[modern.fakir]

Lurker, You have a long way to grow up in this matter ...How will you press any charges before being reprimanded for denying clear cut versus of the Quran. Here read them carefully :

Let’s get to another verse where Allah (SWT) announces the punishment for enemies (of ALLAH and His Apostle) and who so ever attributes disgrace to Allah and His Apostle Mohammad (S.A.W).

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May we present another verse from the Quran where Allah immediately answers to the sacrilegious comment made by the blood relative (uncle) of Allah’s Apostle Mohammad (S.A.W).

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Context of Revelation
Abu Lahab (Father of Flame) was the nickname of ‘Abd Al-’Uzza, the Holy Prophet’s uncle and his inveterate enemy and persecutor. He was so called either because his complexion and hair were ruddy or also because he had a fiery temper. The Surah recalls an incident during the early preaching of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W). On being commanded by Allah (S.W.T) to call together his relatives and to deliver to them the Divine Message, the Holy Prophet, one day, stood on mount Safa and called the different Meccan (Makkah’s) tribes by name, the tribes of Luwayy, Murrah, Kilab and Qusayy and his near relatives, and told them that he is God’s Messenger, and that if they did not accept his Message and did not give up their evil ways, Divine punishment would overtake them. The Holy Prophet had hardly his speech, when Abu Lahab stood up and said, ‘Ruin seize thee, is it for this that thou hast called us together’ (Bukhari).
Now you have clearly read HOW ALLAH swt has dealth with those who insulted the Prophet pbuh or what HE pbuh was saying. THESE are the Quranic Proofs of Blasphemy based on which the Laws have been created ...comprendo ?? :lol:

Be careful there Fakir. You are walking on a slippery slope. I ask you again, The 114 Surahs in the Quran do not impose a punishment for Blasphemy. It's like they say, if it is not written its not binding.

Saying there are Two Qurans is also blasphemy. btw. Should I press a charge for mr Fakir? lol.

 

[modern.fakir]

Yapping like a dodo is no logical explanation. You've heard me pretty clear. That this SECULAR JUDICIARY and SECULAR POLICE and SECULAR evidence collectors cannot be trusted with their jobs as this matter relates to Shariah :). PLus their is no strict punishment that would deter the people from making a mockery of this rule as their is in Shariah. The secular system doesnt hang known terrorists caught with smoking guns then how will they punish someone for Blasphemy and even worse Conspiracy !!!:lol::lol:

The removal of the ROTTEN SECULAR SYSTEM IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THESE CORRUPT PRACTICES AND ABUSE OF LAW (bigsmile)

Oh stop your whining. This woman is accused of Blasphemy. Do you know what Blasphemy is? It's a religious charge. So where is the damn secularism if such a Law exists !? Where are your Khalifahs? Where are your Imams? Where are you Scholars? You call the Islamic Heartland as western appointed pawns. You have NO foundation to even stand on anymore. Now you have a "Written Quran" and a "Walking Quran". Your words. Not mine.

 

[lurker]

Lurker, You have a long way to grow up in this matter ...How will you press any charges before being reprimanded for denying clear cut versus of the Quran. Here read them carefully :
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter, Except for those who return repenting before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (5:33-34)

Since you say the Quran is the Law then we will read it like a Law book. It specifically says, "The Punishment for those who wage WAR & strive with MIGHT and Main for mischief through the land." How does a mother of 4 fit this pre-requisite? Has she waged war? Has she striven with might and main for mischief throughout the land? If not, then this does not apply. More over blasphemy is NOT war or Mischief. You first have to satisfy several arguments before you can even get to Blasphemy.

May we present another verse from the Quran where Allah immediately answers to the sacrilegious comment made by the blood relative (uncle) of Allah’s Apostle Mohammad (S.A.W).

​

Context of Revelation
Abu Lahab (Father of Flame) was the nickname of ‘Abd Al-’Uzza, the Holy Prophet’s uncle and his inveterate enemy and persecutor. He was so called either because his complexion and hair were ruddy or also because he had a fiery temper. The Surah recalls an incident during the early preaching of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W). On being commanded by Allah (S.W.T) to call together his relatives and to deliver to them the Divine Message, the Holy Prophet, one day, stood on mount Safa and called the different Meccan (Makkah’s) tribes by name, the tribes of Luwayy, Murrah, Kilab and Qusayy and his near relatives, and told them that he is God’s Messenger, and that if they did not accept his Message and did not give up their evil ways, Divine punishment would overtake them. The Holy Prophet had hardly his speech, when Abu Lahab stood up and said, ‘Ruin seize thee, is it for this that thou hast called us together’ (Bukhari).
Now you have clearly read HOW ALLAH swt has dealth with those who insulted the Prophet pbuh or what HE pbuh was saying. THESE are the Quranic Proofs of Blasphemy based on which the Laws have been created ...comprendo ?? :lol:

So were the two hands of Abu Lahab's perished?

 

[modern.fakir]

This is a Proof from the Quran ..So YOU buddy have just been proven WRONG (bigsmile) . Now, as far as the Law goes let the Shariah Judge decide what is blasphemy, what isnt, what is mischief because this is ONLY ONE proof, they have to look at hundreds of such proofs to deduce laws, and thats why we need Islamic Shariah Scholars ...Not an Idiot like you :lol:, whose trying to coin his own deductions [hilar], but yet doesnt know the references to those injuctions[hilar]

Although what proves that a mother of 4 cant be mischievous ?? ...Are you running on emotions or asking me to look at evidence ?? ...Could Hazrat Umar Ra have had an extral "shaul" when the Jew asked him to prove it ??


Here again ...your the one asking me to look at things emotionally and NOT Rationally, your contradicting YOUR own statements [hilar][hilar][hilar]

And As for ABU LAHAB the accursed had His head severed by a true Lover of RasoolALLAH pbuh and the news in his after life was not good either except for one plus point - Here read yourself in an Authentic Hadith where HOW even a Quran Certified Kafir gets respite for the Love he showed on Allah's Beloved (bigsmile)

You can then Imagine the recompense of Allah swt towards a Muslim who dances in Joy for the Prophet pbuh (bigsmile)

The hadeeth you are speaking about is definitely rigorously-authenticated (saheeh) and it is found in the Saheeh of al-Bukhari.
‘Urwah ibn al-Zubayr narrated a long hadeeth and mentioned Thuwayba, the first wet-nurse of the beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and slavewoman of his cruel uncle, Abu Lahab. ‘Urwah adds a note at the end of his narration, saying:

“And Thuwayba was the freed slave of Abu Lahab. Abu Lahab freed her, and then she nursed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). So when Abu Lahab died [in disbelief], he was shown to someone in his family [in a dream] in the most wretched of conditions, and [that relative – they say it was 'Abbas] said to him: ‘What did you find [after death]?’ So Abu Lahab replied, ‘I didn’t find [any rest] since I left you all, except that I was given to drink *this little amount* because of my freeing Thuwayba.’” [al-Bukhari, Saheeh]

On the day the Prophet (peace be upon him) was born, Thuwayba rushed to her master Abu Lahab in joy and said, “Have you heard?! Aminah has just given birth to a son, for your brother Abdullah!” As was the custom of Arabs to show generosity at receiving good news, and since this was the newborn son (peace be upon him) of his recently deceased brother, Abu Lahab gestured with his thumb and forefinger, saying to Thuwayba, “Go, for you are free.” For this, his punishment in the Hereafter is lessened by a small sip of water equal to what could be held in the small curve of flesh at the base of the thumb till the forefinger ['Abdur-Razzaq, Mussanaf].

Since you say the Quran is the Law then we will read it like a Law book. It specifically says, "The Punishment for those who wage WAR & strive with MIGHT and Main for mischief through the land." How does a mother of 4 fit this pre-requisite? Has she waged war? Has she striven with might and main for mischief throughout the land? If not, then this does not apply. More over blasphemy is NOT war or Mischief. You first have to satisfy several arguments before you can even get to Blasphemy.


So were the two hands of Abu Lahab's perished?

 

[lurker]

This is a Proof from the Quran ..So YOU buddy have just been proven WRONG (bigsmile) . Now, as far as the Law goes let the Shariah Judge decide what is blasphemy, what isnt, what is mischief because this is ONLY ONE proof, they have to look at hundreds of such proofs to deduce laws, and thats why we need Islamic Shariah Scholars ...Not an Idiot like you :lol:, whose trying to coin his own deductions [hilar], but yet doesnt know the references to those injuctions[hilar]

Although what proves that a mother of 4 cant be mischievous ?? ...Are you running on emotions or asking me to look at evidence ?? ...Could Hazrat Umar Ra have had an extral "shaul" when the Jew asked him to prove it ??

I reiterate, the Quran does not mention Blasphemy. Just like how you usually tell me Jinnah did not mention "Secularism". And the Quran is a Law book, right? Law books are taken word for word. They need to be meticulous and clear in their presentation. That is what a Law book is all about. And this woman did not wage War for the fact that she is incapable of it. Are you familiar with And statements? In Law, an "AND" is binding. If I say Modern.Fakir AND Laloo Prasad were seen smooching in Delhi, that means that BOTH were seen smooching. If I said, Modern.fakir OR Laloo Prasad were seen smooching in Delhi that would mean either or both. The Quranic Ayah you specified has an AND in the sentence. Wage War AND strive towards mischief "throughout" the land. Not just in a house or mosque, but THROUGHOUT the land. And where does Mischief = Blasphemy?

And As for ABU LAHAB the accursed had His head severed by a true Lover of RasoolALLAH pbuh

This does not answer my question. When the Quran specifically stipulated to "Perish this man's hands AND Perish Him". Why wasn't this sentence carried out? The death of Abu Lahab was not the result of someone carrying out the Quranic decree, it was purely a defensive and reactionary event at the hands of Lubaba. Had Abu Lahab not been beating down on Abu Rafi, you think Lubaba would've dropped sharpening her arrows and dealt the blow? Hell no. This begs an important question, Just why wasn't the Quranic injunction carried out? Interesting. Thanks for bringing this up. ;)

 

[Bunna]

It is a gamble.

Either someone hit them hard or if they survive then a visa of Western Country is available.

 

[aqibarain]

Lurker, and who introduced you to the Quran ??? ...Who was a walking Quran ?? ...When HE pbuh says that it is Punishable ...people like you need to SHUT UP !!

any reference when he said this???

 

[Dhiraj Kumar]

I request the UNO to take notice of it. A muslim woman is being booked for forged crime.
It is conspiracy by her competitors.


India must give asylum to the lady and her family. No where in Quran, blasphemy is mentioned!!

And even if she did something by mistake,she being woman should not be treated so ruthlessly!!

Lastly the quote from prophet :

To err is human; to forgive divine!!

 

[Ramzan Ali Qureshi]

pakistan came into existence in the name of Islam that's why anything against Islam should be punishable by law either it is in Quran or not period.

 

[modern.fakir]

So now your getting down to useless philosophical banter as you have lost all logical clout because you have seen the proof right infront of you. :lol::lol:

The punishment for insulting the Prophet pbuh or his words is well laid out by the Quran this is called Blasphemy. As usual when your types are shown clear proof they usually resort to dumb word games which carry no sense as the argument at hand has been settled.

You can now experiment your AND, OR and NOT statements however you like, we wont argue with you but this royal slap you got on your face should be enough to keep you from arguing on this point any further. :lol::lol:

Rest off, LET The Shariah Judge settle the matter as I said that Islamic Scholars are needed to DEDUCE Laws from the Quran keeping in mind all the Quranic ayah's AND ahadith, scholarly literature from early times AND historical perspectives . NOW all of this is NOT your cliche ...so take a hike [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

Abu Lahabs punishment ?

Lurker, the punishment carried out was a lot worse !..They guy had his head removed according to Allah's swt command of "Perish He" ...Like seriously are you BLIND ??[hilar][hilar]

Quit acting like a dumb ***. You just lost an argument, so learn to take it like a man and dont be a sissy [hilar][hilar]

[/SIZE]I reiterate, the Quran does not mention Blasphemy. Just like how you usually tell me Jinnah did not mention "Secularism". And the Quran is a Law book, right? Law books are taken word for word. They need to be meticulous and clear in their presentation. That is what a Law book is all about. And this woman did not wage War for the fact that she is incapable of it. Are you familiar with And statements? In Law, an "AND" is binding. If I say Modern.Fakir AND Laloo Prasad were seen smooching in Delhi, that means that BOTH were seen smooching. If I said, Modern.fakir OR Laloo Prasad were seen smooching in Delhi that would mean either or both. The Quranic Ayah you specified has an AND in the sentence. Wage War AND strive towards mischief "throughout" the land. Not just in a house or mosque, but THROUGHOUT the land. And where does Mischief = Blasphemy?


This does not answer my question. When the Quran specifically stipulated to "Perish this man's hands AND Perish Him". Why wasn't this sentence carried out? The death of Abu Lahab was not the result of someone carrying out the Quranic decree, it was purely a defensive and reactionary event at the hands of Lubaba. Had Abu Lahab not been beating down on Abu Rafi, you think Lubaba would've dropped sharpening her arrows and dealt the blow? Hell no. This begs an important question, Just why wasn't the Quranic injunction carried out? Interesting. Thanks for bringing this up. ;)

 

[Imranpak]

She could very well have psychological problems or may be doing it for some attention. Lets not call for her to be hanged or stoned to death just yet;)

 

[sahirmushtaq]

ماں چار کی ہے یا چالیس کی قانون کے مطابق سب تفتیش ہونی چاہیے

 

[lurker]

So now your getting down to useless philosophical banter as you have lost all logical clout because you have seen the proof right infront of you. :lol::lol:
The punishment for insulting the Prophet pbuh or his words is well laid out by the Quran this is called Blasphemy. As usual when your types are shown clear proof they usually resort to dumb word games which carry no sense as the argument at hand has been settled.

You can now experiment your AND, OR and NOT statements however you like, we wont argue with you but this royal slap you got on your face should be enough to keep you from arguing on this point any further. :lol::lol:

Rest off, LET The Shariah Judge settle the matter as I said that Islamic Scholars are needed to DEDUCE Laws from the Quran keeping in mind all the Quranic ayah's AND ahadith, scholarly literature from early times AND historical perspectives . NOW all of this is NOT your cliche ...so take a hike [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

Abu Lahabs punishment ?

Lurker, the punishment carried out was a lot worse !..They guy had his head removed according to Allah's swt command of "Perish He" ...Like seriously are you BLIND ??[hilar][hilar]

Quit acting like a dumb ***. You just lost an argument, so learn to take it like a man and dont be a sissy [hilar][hilar]

I don't think you have been even reading what I wrote.
1. The Quran does not even mention Blasphemy. Let alone prescribe a punishment for it.
2. The Woman is not waging a war.
3. She is not striving or even capable of causing "Mischief" in the Lands.
4. Abu Lahab's sentence was NOT carried out Even though it was mentioned by His Name In the Quran.

Your Islamic scholars have dropped the ball here, yet again. They messed up. Made a Law that was not in the Quran and put the stamp of "Shariah" on it. What an atrocity.