India condemns terror attack on Karachi airport

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Again this defeats the purpose if you are TRUTHFULL then WHY ?? ..WHY didnt you give access to a handfull of judges and lawyers in Mumbai to this specimen ?? [hilar][hilar]

Your NOT answering the MAIN question ! ...YOU have to Prove HOW he is our citizen ?? ...For now he is using the words Bhagwan, He is in India and He carried our a terrorist activity !....All this evidence proves that he is INDIAN :biggthumpup:

As certified by the Ishrat Jehan Probing Officer !....

You even denied access to the witnesses of 26/11 ??? ....Why ?? :lol:

What are you trying to HIDE ??? ...if you had ANY LEVEL of truth then why be so candid ??

Yeh Jhooth kisi aur ko jaker sunana ....tumaray apnay Indian Officer nay hi tumara raaz faash kerdiya hai [hilar]



Ajmal Kassab and others ko training jisne diya hai and where kassab was from is well known. They never thought he would get caught. But that's the real deal. They were taught to speak that way. There are other references too. Tumhare pass hai kya aur siwai deny karne ke? Fattugiri ke badshah. Ab taliban ke satha majak-rat karo , Hawa mein firing karo. Jaise tum haste ho ham bhi hasenge, HAHAHAHA.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tumhari chori to karte karte hee pakdi gayi thi. Isliye to aj tak tumne voice samples nahi diye hai. India has denied access as you would have killed kasab. In spite of asking US for access to David Headley India was denied access. It is not for us to give you any access, it is for you to bring forward the people who did this dastardly act against humanity. That you took it easy and as usual started lying through your teeth is evident to the whole world. Two timing and double dealing, lying, these are all very okay in your terminology.
Giving access or not giving access is of no use because pakistanis just use every information for stalling. That is why US had to secretly carry out Abbottabad. lol. Har baar tum log jhute sabit hue ho, aur phir bhi sharam nahi ati hai tumko. Ab to hawai firing bhi aam ho gai hai tumhare yaha. Nobody tells the real story. Ek jhuth chupane ke liye dus hazar jhuth bolne padte hain. Result is Zero Credibility.
Yeh dekho tumhara sach.


(bigsmile) ...Dekhain Fazool ki batein kernay ka koi faida nahin hai ...aur na hi yeh propoganda videos post kerkay ap kuch prove kersaktay hain !.

The real deal is when Pakistan and India had decided to investigate the matter of mumbai and India had accepted the Pakistani request of sending a "Judicial Commission" to investigate or atleast even remotely talk to ajmal kassab or any other evidence you have, THEN WHY DID INDIA REFUSE ACCESS ?? :biggthumpup:

Itnay Sachay HO ...to jub humara Judicial commission aya tha ...to us waqt kis cheez ka der tha ?? ..(bigsmile)

Are you telling me that India cannot share evidence with a few Pakistani judges within India to prove a point ?? [hilar][hilar][hilar]

Woh bhi choro tumara jhooth yahan say bhi pakra jata hai....Kay your hypocritical establishment did not even give them access to "the witnesses" of the attack ....What were you trying to hide ?? [hilar][hilar]

Asal baat wohi hai key yeh sub aik DRAMA tha like the Ishrat Jehan Probe case Officer a working member of the Indian Intelligence has testified in supreme court !:biggthumpup:

Ab tum jitna rona chao ro ...yahan beth ker ....mager the whole world knows of how YOU FABRICATE incidents to prove your lost cause !

Mumbai attacks an Inside job, says Indian official

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A former Indian [COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]home ministry official has disclosed that the Indian government, and not Pakistan, was behind the parliament (13/12, 2001) and Mumbai (26/11 2008) attacks in India.According to the shocking (or not so shocking for some) revelation, India orchestrated the terrorist attacksin order to empower terrorism and counter-terrorism laws in [COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]the country and put the blame on Pakistan-based militant groups.The Times Of India [/COLOR]cites, “R V S Mani, who as home ministry under-secretary signed the affidavits submitted in court in the alleged encounter case, has said that Satish Verma, until recently a part of the CBI-SIT probe team, told him that both the terror attacks were set up “with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation.”[COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]The news[/COLOR] would probably come as a scandalous revelation to many, but it has been a part of several conspiracy theories surrounding, especially, the terrorist siege of Mumbai.

When Ajmal Kasab, the only surviving attacker, was captured and investigated by authorities, a lot of people (in Pakistan mostly) rejected the fact that he belonged to Lashkar-e-Taiba or if he was a Pakistani at all.The following probe interview was conducted in 2011 and served as evidence for all conspiracy theories saying Kasab was not a Pakistani, instead he was a Hindu ‘puppet’ used by the Indian government to[COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]frame[/COLOR] Pakistan as a terrorist country.Many people pointed out that the so-called Lashkar-e-Taiba militant used the word ‘Bhagwan’But it was not just the Indian government who was adamant that Kasab belonged to Pakistan. Several Pakistani media organizations were also quick to report that the Mumbai attacker hailed from a remote village in the country.

This revelation by RVS Mani, if it turns out to be true, can be quite an embarrassment for the Indian government who had up until now been very vocal against Pakistan and its inability to tackle terrorism.
Indeed targeting, shooting and bombing one’s own people for ‘effective’ counter-terror legislation are also a form of terrorism



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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Here ....read our response ...:biggthumpup: ...Ab pehlay App decide kerlo ...kay evidence dena hai kay nahin ??

Access to ab dey nahin saktay because you hung that indian ajmal kassab to save your rears !!

Now dont complaint to Pakistan and even if you do all your gonna get from our side is "Giggles" [hilar][hilar]


Pakistan tells India Mumbai evidence not valid

By AFP
Updated Aug 01, 2012 11:09am



ISLAMABAD: Islamabad has told New Delhi that recently obtained evidence of the Mumbai attacks is inadmissible in court because Pakistanis were not allowed to cross-examine Indian officials, a Pakistani lawyer said Wednesday.

The Pakistani interior ministry wrote formally to the Indian government after a court rejected the evidence in July on the basis that the Pakistanis could not question Indian officials, prosecutor Chaudhry Zulfiqar told AFP.

The letter is likely to aggravate New Delhi, which has branded Pakistan’s attempts at prosecuting seven alleged conspirators a “facade” and has insisted it has already handed over enough evidence to convict the accused.

Pakistan charged the seven men over the 2008 Mumbai attacks in 2009, but insists it needs to gather more evidence in India before proceeding further.

“Defence lawyers were not given an opportunity to cross examine Indian officials,” said Zulfiqar, who headed the judicial commission’s visit in March.

Pakistan wanted Mohammed Ajmal Amir Kasab, who is the sole surviving gunman from the attacks and sentenced to death in India, to testify, but he was not included among the interviewees requested by the panel.

The Pakistani commission recorded the statements of Indian investigators, doctors who performed autopsies and the magistrate who took Kasab’s confession.

India blames Pakistani militants from Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) of carrying out the attacks that killed 166 people, with support from “elements” in the Pakistani military.

Pakistan has admitted that the attacks were planned partly on its soil, but flatly denies any official involvement.


http://www.dawn.com/news/738923/pakistan-tells-india-mumbai-evidence-not-valid









Ajmal Kassab and others ko training jisne diya hai and where kassab was from is well known. They never thought he would get caught. But that's the real deal. They were taught to speak that way. There are other references too. Tumhare pass hai kya aur siwai deny karne ke? Fattugiri ke badshah. Ab taliban ke satha majak-rat karo , Hawa mein firing karo. Jaise tum haste ho ham bhi hasenge, HAHAHAHA.
 
chandbibi


Stop entertaining him. I have given enough reasons posts number #94, #98, scribd document and all rational proofs to support mumbai case including why bhagwan word was used!


He knows that Indian govt have caught its own military officers for samjhauta and malegaon attack who are in jail & are being tried. It was not ISI who caught these people.

Pakistan mein law & order nahi hai. Why demand anything from them if they even release taliban prisoners every week and party with them :)
 
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chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Does it? Just like how finding "Indian" ammunition (again allegedly) proves INDIA is involved? [hilar][hilar]
Watch the video below why he is your citizen. Aray kya Ishrat jehan ishrat jehan chalu kar ke rakha hai. Sab se bada terrorist jiske sar par award hai hafiz sayed , usko pehle hamare hawale karo. Phir karna dusri batein. Jhute bawarchi. Kuch bhi kahaniya pakana band karo.

Again this defeats the purpose if you are TRUTHFULL then WHY ?? ..WHY didnt you give access to a handfull of judges and lawyers in Mumbai to this specimen ?? [hilar][hilar]

Your NOT answering the MAIN question ! ...YOU have to Prove HOW he is our citizen ?? ...For now he is using the words Bhagwan, He is in India and He carried our a terrorist activity !....All this evidence proves that he is INDIAN :biggthumpup:

As certified by the Ishrat Jehan Probing Officer !....

You even denied access to the witnesses of 26/11 ??? ....Why ?? :lol:

What are you trying to HIDE ??? ...if you had ANY LEVEL of truth then why be so candid ??

Yeh Jhooth kisi aur ko jaker sunana ....tumaray apnay Indian Officer nay hi tumara raaz faash kerdiya hai [hilar]
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No thats fine ...we expected this ...what this proves is that YOUR LIES have been busted :biggthumpup:

You can cry as much as you like, but that is reality. :lol::lol:

When you cant give us basic access for "cross examination" without which no evidence can be based then how can you we even talk about justice !

These dirty tricks and strategies are well known to us ....Yeh dekho ...your allies are spilling the beans to your nefarious designs ..



Tumhari chori to karte karte hee pakdi gayi thi. Isliye to aj tak tumne voice samples nahi diye hai. India has denied access as you would have killed kasab. In spite of asking US for access to David Headley India was denied access. It is not for us to give you any access, it is for you to bring forward the people who did this dastardly act against humanity. That you took it easy and as usual started lying through your teeth is evident to the whole world. Two timing and double dealing, lying, these are all very okay in your terminology.
Giving access or not giving access is of no use because pakistanis just use every information for stalling. That is why US had to secretly carry out Abbottabad. lol. Har baar tum log jhute sabit hue ho, aur phir bhi sharam nahi ati hai tumko. Ab to hawai firing bhi aam ho gai hai tumhare yaha. Nobody tells the real story. Ek jhuth chupane ke liye dus hazar jhuth bolne padte hain. Result is Zero Credibility.
Yeh dekho tumhara sach.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
You carry on your efforts.:biggthumpup:
chandbibi


Stop entertaining him. I have given enough reasons, scribd document and all rational proofs to support mumbai case including why bhagwan word was used!


He knows that Indian govt have caught its own military officers for samjhauta and malegaon attack who are in jail & are being tried. It was not ISI who caught these people.

Pakistan mein law & order nahi hai. Why demand anything from them if they even release taliban prisoners every week and party with them :)
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
To prove kertay na ?? ..Kiyoon peechay hut gaye thay ?? ...You had a golden chance to nab hafiz saeed ....all you had to do was give us access to cross examine Kassab and we would have nailed hafiz saeed ?? [hilar][hilar]

Kiyoon nahi kiya ?? [hilar]

Nab kerna ka koi musla nahi ....koi statement ...koi cross examination ....what are you a banana republic with no judicial procedures ??? [hilar][hilar]

To implicate people you need evidence !

Why did you back out ??

Was it because of the Ishrat Jahan Probe officer case ?? ...Which even times of India ascribes too ??

[h=1]Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer[/h][h=1][/h]
TNN | Jul 14, 2013, 12.30AM IST






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The officer said that the terror attacks were set up "with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)".


NEW DELHI: In what is certain to escalate the already vicious fight between the CBI and the IB over the IshratJahan "fake encounter case", a former home ministry officer has alleged that a member of the CBI-SIT team had accused incumbent governments of "orchestrating" the terror attack on Parliament and the 26/11 carnage in Mumbai.

R V S Mani, who as home ministry under-secretary signed the affidavits submitted in court in the alleged encounter case, has said that Satish Verma, until recently a part of the CBI-SIT probe team, told him that both the terror attacks were set up "with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)".

Mani has said that Verma "...narrated that the 13.12. 2001(attack on Parliament) was followed by Pota (Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act) and 26/11 2008 (terrorists' siege of Mumbai) was followed by amendment to the UAPA (Unlawful Activities Prevention Act)."


The official has alleged Verma levelled the damaging charge while debunking IB's inputs labelling the three killed with Ishrat in the June 2004 encounter as Lashkar terrorists.

Contacted by TOI, Verma refused to comment. "I don't know what the complaint is, made when and to whom. Nor am I interested in knowing. I cannot speak to the media on such matters. Ask the CBI," said the Gujarat cadre IPS officer who after being relieved from the SIT is working as principal of the Junagadh Police Training College.

Mani, currently posted as deputy land and development officer in the urban development ministry, has written to his seniors that he retorted to Verma's comments telling the IPS officer that he was articulating the views of Pakistani intelligence agency ISI.

According to him, the charge was levelled by Verma in Gandhinagar on June 22 while questioning Mani about the two home ministry affidavits in the alleged encounter case.

In his letter to the joint secretary in the urban development ministry, Mani has accused Verma of "coercing" him into signing a statement that is at odds with facts as he knew them. He said Verma wanted him to sign a statement saying that the home ministry's first affidavit in the Ishrat case was drafted by two IB officers. "Knowing fully well that this would tantamount to falsely indicting of (sic) my seniors at the extant time, I declined to sign any statement."

Giving the context in which Verma allegedly levelled the serious charge against the government, Mani said the IPS officer, while questioning him, had raised doubts about the genuineness of IB's counter-terror intelligence. He disputed the veracity of the input on the antecedents of the three killed in June 2004 on the outskirts of Ahmedabad with Ishrat in the alleged encounter which has since become a polarizing issue while fuelling Congress's fight with Gujarat CM Narendra Modi.

Gujarat Police has justified the encounter citing the IB report that Pakistani nationals Zeeshan Zohar, Amzad Ali Rana and Javed Sheikh were part of a Lashkar module which had reached Gujarat to target Modi and carry out terrorist attacks.

In its first affidavit, filed in August 2009, the home ministry had cited IB inputs that those killed with Ishrat in the alleged encounter were part of a Lashkar sleeper cell, and had objected to a CBI probe into the "encounter".

In its second affidavit, filed in September 2009, the home ministry, irked by the Gujarat government treating the first affidavit as justification of the encounter, said the IB input did not constitute conclusive proof of the terrorist antecedents of those killed. It supported the demand for a CBI probe.

Mani said Verma doubted the input saying MHA's first affidavit was actually drafted by IB officer Rajinder Kumar, who looked after IB's operations in Gujarat at the time of Ishrat "encounter" and now runs the serious risk of being chargesheeted by the CBI for hatching the conspiracy behind the alleged extra-judicial killings.

Mani said Verma stuck to his guns even after being told that the home ministry did not need outside help. The former home ministry official said Verma insisted that the "input" was prepared after the encounter.

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Does it? Just like how finding "Indian" ammunition (again allegedly) proves INDIA is involved? [hilar][hilar]
Watch the video below why he is your citizen. Aray kya Ishrat jehan ishrat jehan chalu kar ke rakha hai. Sab se bada terrorist jiske sar par award hai hafiz sayed , usko pehle hamare hawale karo. Phir karna dusri batein. Jhute bawarchi. Kuch bhi kahaniya pakana band karo.
 
You carry on your efforts.:biggthumpup:


we don't have to prove to some idiot who is even 1% rational to understand. World knows reliability of Pakistan.
He didnt even read post #94,98 and skipped the reasoning for TOI article on verma which is mentioned her
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153848113/Former-Home-Ministry-official-RV-Mani%E2%80%99s-letter
He will keep on harping : bhagwan but he fails to understand that QAsab was probably half alive once he gave his statements. If I ask some one half dead and say does your bhagwan allow you to do such act. He will surely use the same word in reply :)

Fakira is 100% insane. Let Pakistan protect Dawood, shakeel and others. Let Mullah omar live in balochistan with support of ISI.


It doesnt bother us :)
 
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chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ye kaun hai gora. Inke yaha to roj nayi conspiracy pakane wale hai. Conspiracy walo ko pakad ke lana band karo. Listen to your tv programs and understand the realities. Aise jhute games khelna band karo. Cross examination to ham karenge. Islie we need you to get off your tush and do something about it. Sab kuch to duniya ke saamne maan liya hai tumne. HAHA. modern.fakir saying anything is not important.
The 26/11 Attack, Five Years Later

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On the fifth anniversary of the Mumbai terrorist attacks, Prem Mahadevan reviews what has been subsequently learned about their planning and significance. The conclusions? Pakistan's culpability in the attacks is now beyond question and the operation ushered in a 'new normal' in terrorist practices.
By Prem Mahadevan for ISN

Exactly five years ago, ten members of the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) landed on the Mumbai shoreline. What followed was a 60-hour shooting rampage that became, after 9/11, the most-watched terrorist attack in history. In the years since, it has also become one of the most-studied. The fifth anniversary of these attacks marks an opportunity to take stock of what has been learned about this signal event, its motivations and objectives, and its implications for security management.
Because of unprecedented counterterrorism cooperation between various governments in the years after the attacks, a great deal of information has subsequently come to light. As a result, “26/11” (as it is now called) is one of the few cases where micro-details about jihadist operational planning, recruitment and training processes are available in the public domain. Three arrests were particularly crucial to this, allowing investigators to identify the perpetrators, retrace their modus operandi and ascertain their aims. The first of these arrests occurred during the attack itself, when Indian police captured one of the gunmen, a Pakistani national named Ajmal Kasab. The second occurred in October 2009, when US officials arrested a Pakistani-American named Daood Gilani, who had legally changed his name to ‘David Headley’ in order to reconnoitre potential targets on behalf of LeT. The final arrest was that of Zabiuddin Ansari, a member of the core group that planned and supervised the attack, by Indian police in June 2012.

A new ‘normal’ in terrorism

According to international security experts, the recent attack by Al Shabaab on Nairobi’s Westgate Mall bore an eerie resemblance to 26/11. This should come as no surprise: LeT operates an extensive training infrastructure in Pakistan, which it uses to impart tactical skills and operational techniques (developed jointly with Al Qaeda in the early 1990s) to foreign jihadists keen to attack Western nationals. For some time, scattered reports have indicated that LeT is expanding its reach to include east Africa, via Al Shabaab. If true, this would explain the parallel between Mumbai and Nairobi.
In both attacks, a small group of terrorists armed with hand-held assault weapons and commercially-available communications technology, caused significant economic disruption and political trauma to a society in peacetime. Unaccustomed to handling urban combat operations, local security forces failed to effectively respond to a fluid and unpredictable attack pattern. Alarmingly, simulations have revealed that Western law enforcement agencies would have been unlikely to perform much better in similar circumstances. This suggests that jihadists are learning to exploit structural flaws in police and military Special Weapon and Tactics (SWAT) concepts. The key to explaining this tactical innovation lies in understanding how LeT in particular acquired its technical proficiency – i.e., not through in-house experimentation, but through instruction from counterterrorist professionals.
Not just a terrorist attack, but a commando raid
Before anyone outside the jihadist fraternity had even heard of Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden was employing former Egyptian policemen and soldiers to train terrorist operatives. In order to boost its own reputation in the international ‘jihadosphere’, Al Qaeda in the late 1980s provided high-quality paramilitary instruction to anyone ready to wage jihad against the West. Over the last fifteen years, LeT – long an aspiring rival of Al Qaeda – has copied this method of self-promotion. Beginning in 1998, the group made concerted efforts to recruit former members of the Pakistani Army –especially the Special Services Group (SSG), a commando force – for this purpose. Training for urban assaults was carried out by ex-soldiers of Zarrar Company, the SSG’s counterterrorist SWAT team.
With this expertise, LeT taught both its own operational planners and foreign students to anticipate how police and military personnel would initially react upon receiving news of a shooting incident. In particular, attack plans were designed to increase confusion among police first-responders and to retain the tactical initiative through the proactive use of fire and manoeuvre. Until Ajmal Kasab and Daood Gilani (aka David Headley) told interrogators about their training in LeT camps, few had realized that personnel from the same Pakistani force that was meant to combat terrorism were actually teaching jihadists how to inflict more damage. Even today, radicalization among SSG soldiers remains a grossly understudied aspect of the Pakistani jihadist phenomenon.
The SWAT hostage rescue concept – which serves as a model for units like the SSG – relies on the assumption that terrorists eventually want to negotiate. Thus, ex-Zarrar Company personnel working with LeT developed the concept of suicidal assaults that continue without any scope for dialogue until terminated by kinetic means. By fighting to the death – and using hostages only as temporary human shields, if at all – terrorist gunmen ensure media attention just as effectively as by holding hostages for ransom. To that extent, LeT is reminiscent of the Mexican drug cartel Los Zetas. With tactics acquired from ex-members of the elite Mexican and Guatemalan army ‘special forces’, the Zetas introduced a new level of professionalism and savagery into gangland killings, which have changed the character of narco-violence in Latin America.
The planners
According to Indian and American officials, planning for the 26/11 attack began on the basis of reconnaissance probes conducted by David Headley in 2006-08. His controller was Sajid Majeed, a ‘Salafi’ or ‘Arabized’ jihadist born in 1976 who was keen to undertake some personal brand-building. Lacking combat experience (a prerequisite for leadership positions in the terrorist fraternity), Majeed also wanted to strengthen his credentials within the LeT hierarchy. For Majid, 26/11 was an opportunity to do this, as well as a chance to kill Indians, Westerners and Israelis in a single attack that would capture global attention.
Coordination was handled by LeT military chief Zaki Ur-Rehman Lakhvi. Preparations for the actual attack were supervised by mid-ranking officers from Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). US court documents used in Headley’s trial have revealed that of the $29,500 provided to him for surveying possible targets in India, $28,500 was supplied by an ISI officer with the rank of major. Another major from the agency introduced Headley to LeT, and an ISI colonel arranged his training in intelligence tradecraft. Even the method of ingress used by the gunmen – landing by boat, thereby avoiding the heavily-guarded overland border – was chosen by a member of the Pakistani Navy with experience in amphibious operations. Finally, according to Zabiuddin Ansari, the weapons, explosives and ammunition used in the attacks were all delivered by ISI officials to LeT training areas in northern Pakistan. Two officials from the agency were even present in the LeT control room in Karachi, from where the gunmen in Mumbai were managed via internet telephony services.
The cumulative effects of these revelations suggest that 26/11 was not the work of non-state actors alone. During the attack itself, the LeT handlers in Karachi were overheard telling the gunmen that a general in the Pakistani army approved of their actions. Electronic surveillance later recorded senior Pakistani officials exulting about the number of deaths caused. Although this could have been post hoc jubilation, Indian and American investigators strongly suspect that final approval for the plan of attack came from a top-ranking military officer who had previously also headed the ISI. If 26/11 was not a state-sponsored act of international terrorism, then it was at the very least state-enabled.
Preventing domestic terrorism by promoting foreign terrorism
This leads to the most puzzling question of all – what motivated the attack? If LeT had been acting alone, then the objective could be easily inferred. Because the attack took place as relations between India and Pakistan were improving after years of hostility, most commentators initially concluded that LeT was out to wreck India-Pakistan rapprochement. As it turns out, there is no evidence that the terrorist group considered bilateral relations while planning its assault, except in predicting (correctly) that political confusion and international pressure would lead India to exercise military restraint, thus allowing the attack to go unpunished.
As the wealth of subsequent information now indicates, the best explanation for 26/11 lies not in the bilateral relationship between India and Pakistan but in the domestic situation within Pakistan itself. Since July 2007, the Pakistani army had been facing a severe jihadist backlash, the result of its decision to storm an Islamist stronghold and rescue Chinese citizens held captive there. In addition to resulting in heavy civilian casualties, the army’s willingness to attack Pakistani citizens in order to preserve a strategic relationship with Beijing angered virtually all of the country’s jihadist groups.
The one exception, however, was Lashkar-e-Taiba. Pakistan’s most powerful jihadist organization did not join the rebellion that was brewing against the Pakistani military. In part, its restraint was based on historical ties with the army: the two organizations recruit from the same areas and many families have members in both. But there were also pragmatic reasons: LeT had a massive above-ground presence in Pakistan and could not afford to jeopardise this by criticizing the military, much less attacking it.
For its part, the ISI’s role in the attack can be explained by the desire to rebuild the military’s lost credibility with jihadists by strengthening its ‘loyal’ partner, Lashkar-e-Taiba. The means chosen was a cross-border attack that could be plausibly denied and instead attributed to a jihadist organization from India – even if no such organization existed. The evidence suggests that 26/11 was envisaged as a suicidal strike in which all the attackers would eventually be killed by Indian security forces, leaving no hard evidence that they had come from Pakistan. In intelligence parlance, it was designed as a ‘false-flag’ operation, wherein the LeT gunmen would contact Indian television channels and claim that they were acting on behalf of the ‘Deccan Mujahideen’ – a phantom jihadist group that no security agency had ever heard of before (or has heard of since, for that matter).

Three factors prevented deniability from being attained. First, Kasab was captured alive. Speedily interrogated by the Americans, who flew a special team to Mumbai just for the purpose, he confirmed that LeT was in fact the organization responsible. This happened even as LeT spokesmen in Pakistan were strenuously denying any involvement. Second, Indian security agencies scored a major success by identifying the terrorists’ method of communication while the attack was going on, which enabled them to listen in on the instructions coming from Karachi. Finally, the United States leveraged its massive signals intelligence capability to independently collect data which corroborated the Indians’ findings. In their eagerness to create a major international spectacle by micro-managing events on the ground, LeT controllers in Karachi left an electronic trail that destroyed any prospect of the attack not being traced back to Pakistan. The ISI may have overlooked this weakness in the attack plan either because it was so keen for the operation to go through, or because it had calculated that, even if culpability was proven, Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent would act as a shield against any punishment.

Careerism in terrorism
One of the more interesting aspects of the 26/11 conspiracy was the extent of internal competition and petty rivalries among LeT planners. In particular, Sajid Majeed was reportedly desperate to upstage a rival within the group, who had been organizing a successful bombing campaign in India. In the process Majeed jeopardised communications security and played an instrumental role in focusing international counterterrorist efforts against LeT. (Some years previously, he had also been implicated in a LeT plot to attack a nuclear installation in Australia and in 2009, was believed to be planning a Mumbai-style attack in Copenhagen.) This pattern of reckless organizational behaviour raises the question of whether groups such as LeT and Al Shabaab plan their operations according to any coherent strategy, or merely according to the whims of their middle-managers. If the latter is the case, then going after such managers could be a viable means of preventing attacks like 26/11 and Westgate in the future. Nuclear weapons might protect Pakistan-based jihadist groups like LeT from retribution, and indeed elements of the ‘Deep State’ (the military-intelligence complex) who are complicit in jihadist attacks. But they offer no protection to individual terrorist operatives, whose main defence is anonymity and whose operational relevance shall diminish even as their points of personal vulnerability increase with time.

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Articles/Detail/?lng=en&id=173505


No thats fine ...we expected this ...what this proves is that YOUR LIES have been busted :biggthumpup:

You can cry as much as you like, but that is reality. :lol::lol:

When you cant give us basic access for "cross examination" without which no evidence can be based then how can you we even talk about justice !

These dirty tricks and strategies are well known to us ....Yeh dekho ...your allies are spilling the beans to your nefarious designs ..

 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Kiyoon goroan ko itni jaldi bhool gaye ho ??(bigsmile) ...abhi thoray dinoan pehlay hi devyani khobragade to uski auqaat yaad kerwaii thi inhon nay [hilar][hilar]

Strategic Partners hai tumaray ...butcher of gujrat ki bhi entry band ki hui thi ....Itnay jaldi kesay bhool gaye inko ?? [hilar][hilar]


Yaar jub insaaf kernay ki baari aati hai ...to kaheen ap "access" nahi deytay ...kaheen bhool jatay hain ....Yeh to banana republics mein hota hai [hilar]
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Ye kaun hai gora. Inke yaha to roj nayi conspiracy pakane wale hai. Conspiracy walo ko pakad ke lana band karo. Listen to your tv programs and understand the realities. Aise jhute games khelna band karo. Cross examination to ham karenge. Islie we need you to get off your tush and do something about it. Sab kuch to duniya ke saamne maan liya hai tumne. HAHA. modern.fakir saying anything is not important.
The 26/11 Attack, Five Years Later

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On the fifth anniversary of the Mumbai terrorist attacks, Prem Mahadevan reviews what has been subsequently learned about their planning and significance. The conclusions? Pakistan's culpability in the attacks is now beyond question and the operation ushered in a 'new normal' in terrorist practices.
By Prem Mahadevan for ISN

Exactly five years ago, ten members of the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) landed on the Mumbai shoreline. What followed was a 60-hour shooting rampage that became, after 9/11, the most-watched terrorist attack in history. In the years since, it has also become one of the most-studied. The fifth anniversary of these attacks marks an opportunity to take stock of what has been learned about this signal event, its motivations and objectives, and its implications for security management.
Because of unprecedented counterterrorism cooperation between various governments in the years after the attacks, a great deal of information has subsequently come to light. As a result, “26/11” (as it is now called) is one of the few cases where micro-details about jihadist operational planning, recruitment and training processes are available in the public domain. Three arrests were particularly crucial to this, allowing investigators to identify the perpetrators, retrace their modus operandi and ascertain their aims. The first of these arrests occurred during the attack itself, when Indian police captured one of the gunmen, a Pakistani national named Ajmal Kasab. The second occurred in October 2009, when US officials arrested a Pakistani-American named Daood Gilani, who had legally changed his name to ‘David Headley’ in order to reconnoitre potential targets on behalf of LeT. The final arrest was that of Zabiuddin Ansari, a member of the core group that planned and supervised the attack, by Indian police in June 2012.

A new ‘normal’ in terrorism

According to international security experts, the recent attack by Al Shabaab on Nairobi’s Westgate Mall bore an eerie resemblance to 26/11. This should come as no surprise: LeT operates an extensive training infrastructure in Pakistan, which it uses to impart tactical skills and operational techniques (developed jointly with Al Qaeda in the early 1990s) to foreign jihadists keen to attack Western nationals. For some time, scattered reports have indicated that LeT is expanding its reach to include east Africa, via Al Shabaab. If true, this would explain the parallel between Mumbai and Nairobi.
In both attacks, a small group of terrorists armed with hand-held assault weapons and commercially-available communications technology, caused significant economic disruption and political trauma to a society in peacetime. Unaccustomed to handling urban combat operations, local security forces failed to effectively respond to a fluid and unpredictable attack pattern. Alarmingly, simulations have revealed that Western law enforcement agencies would have been unlikely to perform much better in similar circumstances. This suggests that jihadists are learning to exploit structural flaws in police and military Special Weapon and Tactics (SWAT) concepts. The key to explaining this tactical innovation lies in understanding how LeT in particular acquired its technical proficiency – i.e., not through in-house experimentation, but through instruction from counterterrorist professionals.
Not just a terrorist attack, but a commando raid
Before anyone outside the jihadist fraternity had even heard of Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden was employing former Egyptian policemen and soldiers to train terrorist operatives. In order to boost its own reputation in the international ‘jihadosphere’, Al Qaeda in the late 1980s provided high-quality paramilitary instruction to anyone ready to wage jihad against the West. Over the last fifteen years, LeT – long an aspiring rival of Al Qaeda – has copied this method of self-promotion. Beginning in 1998, the group made concerted efforts to recruit former members of the Pakistani Army –especially the Special Services Group (SSG), a commando force – for this purpose. Training for urban assaults was carried out by ex-soldiers of Zarrar Company, the SSG’s counterterrorist SWAT team.
With this expertise, LeT taught both its own operational planners and foreign students to anticipate how police and military personnel would initially react upon receiving news of a shooting incident. In particular, attack plans were designed to increase confusion among police first-responders and to retain the tactical initiative through the proactive use of fire and manoeuvre. Until Ajmal Kasab and Daood Gilani (aka David Headley) told interrogators about their training in LeT camps, few had realized that personnel from the same Pakistani force that was meant to combat terrorism were actually teaching jihadists how to inflict more damage. Even today, radicalization among SSG soldiers remains a grossly understudied aspect of the Pakistani jihadist phenomenon.
The SWAT hostage rescue concept – which serves as a model for units like the SSG – relies on the assumption that terrorists eventually want to negotiate. Thus, ex-Zarrar Company personnel working with LeT developed the concept of suicidal assaults that continue without any scope for dialogue until terminated by kinetic means. By fighting to the death – and using hostages only as temporary human shields, if at all – terrorist gunmen ensure media attention just as effectively as by holding hostages for ransom. To that extent, LeT is reminiscent of the Mexican drug cartel Los Zetas. With tactics acquired from ex-members of the elite Mexican and Guatemalan army ‘special forces’, the Zetas introduced a new level of professionalism and savagery into gangland killings, which have changed the character of narco-violence in Latin America.
The planners
According to Indian and American officials, planning for the 26/11 attack began on the basis of reconnaissance probes conducted by David Headley in 2006-08. His controller was Sajid Majeed, a ‘Salafi’ or ‘Arabized’ jihadist born in 1976 who was keen to undertake some personal brand-building. Lacking combat experience (a prerequisite for leadership positions in the terrorist fraternity), Majeed also wanted to strengthen his credentials within the LeT hierarchy. For Majid, 26/11 was an opportunity to do this, as well as a chance to kill Indians, Westerners and Israelis in a single attack that would capture global attention.
Coordination was handled by LeT military chief Zaki Ur-Rehman Lakhvi. Preparations for the actual attack were supervised by mid-ranking officers from Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). US court documents used in Headley’s trial have revealed that of the $29,500 provided to him for surveying possible targets in India, $28,500 was supplied by an ISI officer with the rank of major. Another major from the agency introduced Headley to LeT, and an ISI colonel arranged his training in intelligence tradecraft. Even the method of ingress used by the gunmen – landing by boat, thereby avoiding the heavily-guarded overland border – was chosen by a member of the Pakistani Navy with experience in amphibious operations. Finally, according to Zabiuddin Ansari, the weapons, explosives and ammunition used in the attacks were all delivered by ISI officials to LeT training areas in northern Pakistan. Two officials from the agency were even present in the LeT control room in Karachi, from where the gunmen in Mumbai were managed via internet telephony services.
The cumulative effects of these revelations suggest that 26/11 was not the work of non-state actors alone. During the attack itself, the LeT handlers in Karachi were overheard telling the gunmen that a general in the Pakistani army approved of their actions. Electronic surveillance later recorded senior Pakistani officials exulting about the number of deaths caused. Although this could have been post hoc jubilation, Indian and American investigators strongly suspect that final approval for the plan of attack came from a top-ranking military officer who had previously also headed the ISI. If 26/11 was not a state-sponsored act of international terrorism, then it was at the very least state-enabled.
Preventing domestic terrorism by promoting foreign terrorism
This leads to the most puzzling question of all – what motivated the attack? If LeT had been acting alone, then the objective could be easily inferred. Because the attack took place as relations between India and Pakistan were improving after years of hostility, most commentators initially concluded that LeT was out to wreck India-Pakistan rapprochement. As it turns out, there is no evidence that the terrorist group considered bilateral relations while planning its assault, except in predicting (correctly) that political confusion and international pressure would lead India to exercise military restraint, thus allowing the attack to go unpunished.
As the wealth of subsequent information now indicates, the best explanation for 26/11 lies not in the bilateral relationship between India and Pakistan but in the domestic situation within Pakistan itself. Since July 2007, the Pakistani army had been facing a severe jihadist backlash, the result of its decision to storm an Islamist stronghold and rescue Chinese citizens held captive there. In addition to resulting in heavy civilian casualties, the army’s willingness to attack Pakistani citizens in order to preserve a strategic relationship with Beijing angered virtually all of the country’s jihadist groups.
The one exception, however, was Lashkar-e-Taiba. Pakistan’s most powerful jihadist organization did not join the rebellion that was brewing against the Pakistani military. In part, its restraint was based on historical ties with the army: the two organizations recruit from the same areas and many families have members in both. But there were also pragmatic reasons: LeT had a massive above-ground presence in Pakistan and could not afford to jeopardise this by criticizing the military, much less attacking it.
For its part, the ISI’s role in the attack can be explained by the desire to rebuild the military’s lost credibility with jihadists by strengthening its ‘loyal’ partner, Lashkar-e-Taiba. The means chosen was a cross-border attack that could be plausibly denied and instead attributed to a jihadist organization from India – even if no such organization existed. The evidence suggests that 26/11 was envisaged as a suicidal strike in which all the attackers would eventually be killed by Indian security forces, leaving no hard evidence that they had come from Pakistan. In intelligence parlance, it was designed as a ‘false-flag’ operation, wherein the LeT gunmen would contact Indian television channels and claim that they were acting on behalf of the ‘Deccan Mujahideen’ – a phantom jihadist group that no security agency had ever heard of before (or has heard of since, for that matter).

Three factors prevented deniability from being attained. First, Kasab was captured alive. Speedily interrogated by the Americans, who flew a special team to Mumbai just for the purpose, he confirmed that LeT was in fact the organization responsible. This happened even as LeT spokesmen in Pakistan were strenuously denying any involvement. Second, Indian security agencies scored a major success by identifying the terrorists’ method of communication while the attack was going on, which enabled them to listen in on the instructions coming from Karachi. Finally, the United States leveraged its massive signals intelligence capability to independently collect data which corroborated the Indians’ findings. In their eagerness to create a major international spectacle by micro-managing events on the ground, LeT controllers in Karachi left an electronic trail that destroyed any prospect of the attack not being traced back to Pakistan. The ISI may have overlooked this weakness in the attack plan either because it was so keen for the operation to go through, or because it had calculated that, even if culpability was proven, Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent would act as a shield against any punishment.

Careerism in terrorism
One of the more interesting aspects of the 26/11 conspiracy was the extent of internal competition and petty rivalries among LeT planners. In particular, Sajid Majeed was reportedly desperate to upstage a rival within the group, who had been organizing a successful bombing campaign in India. In the process Majeed jeopardised communications security and played an instrumental role in focusing international counterterrorist efforts against LeT. (Some years previously, he had also been implicated in a LeT plot to attack a nuclear installation in Australia and in 2009, was believed to be planning a Mumbai-style attack in Copenhagen.) This pattern of reckless organizational behaviour raises the question of whether groups such as LeT and Al Shabaab plan their operations according to any coherent strategy, or merely according to the whims of their middle-managers. If the latter is the case, then going after such managers could be a viable means of preventing attacks like 26/11 and Westgate in the future. Nuclear weapons might protect Pakistan-based jihadist groups like LeT from retribution, and indeed elements of the ‘Deep State’ (the military-intelligence complex) who are complicit in jihadist attacks. But they offer no protection to individual terrorist operatives, whose main defence is anonymity and whose operational relevance shall diminish even as their points of personal vulnerability increase with time.

 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar] ...Narazz na ho dhiraj ...Satish Verma sirf sach hi to bola hai ?? ....Konsi qiyamat agayee hai ...ya konsi aesi naee baat ki hai tum logoan nay !

Tum hum say nafrat kertay ho ....this we know very well [hilar][hilar]


we don't have to prove to some idiot who is even 1% rational to understand. World knows reliability of Pakistan.
He didnt even read post #94,98 and skipped the reasoning for TOI article on verma which is mentioned her
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153848113/Former-Home-Ministry-official-RV-Mani%E2%80%99s-letter
He will keep on harping : bhagwan but he fails to understand that QAsab was probably half alive once he gave his statements. If I ask some one half dead and say does your bhagwan allow you to do such act. He will surely use the same word in reply :)

Fakira is 100% insane. Let Pakistan protect Dawood, shakeel and others. Let Mullah omar live in balochistan with support of ISI.


It doesnt bother us :)
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Acha yeh dekh ab ....yaar to koi to kaam khud kerlo !

Dawood Ibrahim is an indian citizen ...then India should know where its citizen is ! ...Blindly saying he is here or there does not solve anything !

And if Mullah Omar is in afghanistan then you have 14 consulates and its occupied by your friend Karzai and its allies ...why dont you go find him ?? [hilar][hilar]

Yeh kaam bhi nahi ker saktay ...to phir to choorian pehn lo tum log [hilar][hilar] ...Yeh kaam bhi Pakistan kerkay day ...kiyoonkay you are really incompetent !!! [hilar]


we don't have to prove to some idiot who is even 1% rational to understand. World knows reliability of Pakistan.
He didnt even read post #94,98 and skipped the reasoning for TOI article on verma which is mentioned her
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153848113/Former-Home-Ministry-official-RV-Mani%E2%80%99s-letter
He will keep on harping : bhagwan but he fails to understand that QAsab was probably half alive once he gave his statements. If I ask some one half dead and say does your bhagwan allow you to do such act. He will surely use the same word in reply :)

Fakira is 100% insane. Let Pakistan protect Dawood, shakeel and others. Let Mullah omar live in balochistan with support of ISI.


It doesnt bother us :)
 
[hilar][hilar] ...Narazz na ho dhiraj ...Satish Verma sirf sach hi to bola hai ?? ....Konsi qiyamat agayee hai ...ya konsi aesi naee baat ki hai tum logoan nay !

Tum hum say nafrat kertay ho ....this we know very well [hilar][hilar]

I discuss with people who understand reasoning. You are duck master :P Enjoy !!
You can't duck my rebuttals and counter questions, so you come with these banana emotional excuses!

Pakistan is insignificant in today's world, Mr Mohajir ;)

See video about Consultates. I have posted you 10 times but you are duckmaster!

we are competent in saving our border, you are not.
 
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pasting documents without giving access to a governmental judicial commission is not "reasoning" dhiraj [hilar][hilar]

You want to dodge the judicial commission and want us to accept evidence from a lunatic such as yourself on this forum as proof of evidence ??[hilar][hilar]

Tera deemakh to theek haina ??? ...Abhi itni raat to nahi hui hai kay tu behki behki batein keray [hilar][hilar]

Ghati ...jakay apna kaam ker [hilar][hilar]

I discuss with people who understand reasoning. You are duck master :P Enjoy !!
You can't duck my rebuttals and counter questions, so you come with these banana emotional excuses!

Pakistan is insignificant in today's world, Mr Mohajir ;)

See video about Consultates. I have posted you 10 times but you are duckmaster!
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tum apni ghar ke bare me socho. Aise haste haste kat jaye raste hota hua dikhayi nahi deta hai. Goron ke sath tumhara alliance tab se hain jab se tum paida hue ho. [hilar]

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Kiyoon goroan ko itni jaldi bhool gaye ho ??(bigsmile) ...abhi thoray dinoan pehlay hi devyani khobragade to uski auqaat yaad kerwaii thi inhon nay [hilar][hilar]

Strategic Partners hai tumaray ...butcher of gujrat ki bhi entry band ki hui thi ....Itnay jaldi kesay bhool gaye inko ?? [hilar][hilar]


Yaar jub insaaf kernay ki baari aati hai ...to kaheen ap "access" nahi deytay ...kaheen bhool jatay hain ....Yeh to banana republics mein hota hai [hilar]
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dekho ab yeh to hona hi hai ...kiyoon kay bhanda jo bhooth gaya hai ...apka ...aur yeh sub kernay walay bhi apkay apnay hi hain [hilar][hilar]

Tum apni ghar ke bare me socho. Aise haste haste kat jaye raste hota hua dikhayi nahi deta hai. Goron ke sath tumhara alliance tab se hain jab se tum paida hue ho. [hilar]
 

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