Kaleem ch.
My name is QADIANITRUTH, there is a reason for my name, I expose qadianiat and tell the truth about qadianis with proper refernce from Mirza qadianis books from your officiial website.
We Muslims belive that EVEN doubting the finality of Muhammed pbuh makes us KAFIR.
Can you please answer these questions:
- What did Mirza Qadiani do for Islam?
You claim that Mirza qadiani was
a nabi,
masih moud ( Hz Essa Ibn Maryam a.s.)
Hindu god Krishnan
Hz Essa a.s.
Maryam a.s.
A peson who claimed all the above ( and many more titles) IS TUTHFUL.
DO YOU BELIEVE MIRZA WAS A TRUTHFUL PERSON? Did he lie on quran and hadith?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Request to moderaters, Pl don't delete or lock this thread, i would like to engage in decent and honest debate with qadianis. I will not use abuses for Mirza but only quote his books with links from qadianis' official website.
Thanks
Can you prove Mirza is a truthful person?
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Qadianitruth, You have given yourself a name but you are certainly not aware of what truth is.
Finality of prophet certainly a very important topic. And Ahmadis believe in it as well. However the word "Khatam" is usually misunderstood as the last. The correct meaning of this word is the "Seal" and I know you will take this meaning as the sealing of door of prophethood that none one can enter in. Jammat-e-Ahmadiyya takes the meaning as the exhalted or the best of the best or the highest possible status. Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh also used this word Khatam for Hadhrat Ali :razi: by calling him Khatam-ul-Aolia. Now it is pretty obvious that Hadhrat Ali :razi: was not the last Wali-Ullah. In the same manner Masjid-e-Nabwi is called as Khatam-ul-Masajid and we all know that Masjid-e-NAbwai was not the last masjid but infact was the first masjid.
What did Mirza Qadiani do for Islam?
Hadhrat Mirza Sahab was done so much for Islam that the Ulema of his time had no choice but to agree that if anyone wants to go see the real Islam alive today then go to Qadian.
Hadhrat Sahab defeated the Arya Samaj, Christians and other Hindus since they were all attacking Islam and Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh. If you want to I can post the video of Maulana Israr Ahmad admitting it openly in a talk show on a news channel.
You claim that Mirza qadiani was
a nabi,
masih moud ( Hz Essa Ibn Maryam a.s.)
Hindu god Krishnan
Hz Essa a.s.
Maryam a.s.
Yes he was a subordinate prophet i.e not a prophet who brings new laws (shariah)
He is Masih Maud as well because he full fills the second coming of Jesus A.S
Krishnan was a prophet of Hindu not a God. In almost every religion there is a prophecy of a coming of a Messiah. From Hindu religion he full fills that as well
He never claimed to be Hadhrat Maryam A.S although he mentioned of having Maryami Safat.
Maryami Safat is totally different than being Hadhrat Mariam A.S. To increase your understanding I suggest you should research what are the Mariami Safat.
Can you prove Mirza is a truthful person?
The biggest proof are the signs of Solar and Lunar Eclipse. I will quote the following to for you
Hazrat Imam Baqar Muhammad bin Alira has narrated the following Hadees (saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa):
For our Mahdi (Divine Reformer) there are two signs which have never appeared before since the creation of the heavens and the earth, namely the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramazan (i.e. on the first of the nights on which a lunar eclipse can occur) and the sun will be eclipsed in its middle (i.e. on the middle day of the days on which a solar eclipse can occur), and these signs have not appeared since God created the heavens and the earth.
(Dare Qutani Vol 1, page 188)
In the literature of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, the dates of the lunar and solar eclipses have been taken as 13, 14, 15 and 27, 28, 29 respectively of the Islamic calendar. Dr David Mc Naughton has pointed out that lunar eclipses can occur on 13th, 14th and 15th and solar eclipses on 28th and 29th. Only under special circumstances, a solar eclipse can occur on the 27th of the Islamic month. Also, under special circumstances, a lunar eclipse can occur on the 12th. Hence the dates of the eclipses should be taken as 13, 14, 15 and 28, 29 or as 12, 13, 14, 15 and 27, 28, 29.
Perhaps the author is the first person to point out that it is possible to observe a lunar eclipse on the 12th. On the other hand, it seems to be well known from observational records that a solar eclipse can occur on the 27th. I present two examples taken from important books wherein 27th is considered as one of the dates for the solar eclipse.
Nawab Siddeeq Hasan Khan writes in his book Hujajal Kirama (in Persian, published in 1271 Hijri ) on page 344 that according to astronomers a lunar eclipse does not take place on any date other than 13, 14 and 15; and in the same way a solar eclipse does not take place on any date other than 27, 28 and 29.
Professor F. Richard Stephenson, who has devoted considerable effort in the study of ancient records of eclipses, writes in his book, "Historical Eclipses and Earth's Rotation" (Cambridge University Press 1997) on page 436 as follows:
"In the Islamic calendar, lunar eclipses consistently take place on or about the 14th day of the month and solar eclipses around the 28th day
Hence considering the dates as 13, 14 and 15 for the lunar eclipse and 27, 28 and 29 for the solar eclipse for interpreting the prophecy in 1894, at the time of the claimant, is quite reasonable. The purpose of the prophecy is to help people to recognize the Promised Divine Reformer and the prophecy has served the purpose very well.
It may also be noted that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmadas claimed on the basis of Divine revelation, which he received, that the prophecy has been fulfilled in his person. He also declared on oath that he is the Promised Messiah and Mahdi.
In order to understand the Hadees on the basis of our present knowledge we should note that the time between the astronomical new moon and full moon varies between 13.9 days and 15.6 days as mentioned by Dr Mc Naughton. Hence if a lunar eclipse occurs on the 12th of a month, the solar eclipse cannot occur on the 28th of the month because in that case the interval between the new moon and the full moon would exceed 15.6 days. If the Hadees had not laid any restriction on the date of the solar eclipse, the first date of the lunar eclipse may have been considered as 12th. But since the Hadees has specified the date of the solar eclipse, the first night in the Hadees has to be interpreted as the first of the well known three nights, i.e. 13th.
The Promised Messiahas also gave another explanation for the Hadees which is simple but very illuminating. He wrote in his book
Noorul Haq Part 2, Roohani Khazaen Vol 8 page 196:
"Dare qutani has recorded that Imam Muhammad bin Ali has narrated that there are two signs for our Mahdi which never appeared before, that is, never occurred for any other person since the creation of the earth and the heavens and these are that the moon will begin to be eclipsed in the beginning of the night in Ramazan and the sun will be eclipsed in the remaining half of the month.
Professor G.M.Ballabh and I had prepared a list of the years in which both lunar and solar eclipses occurred in the month of Ramazan from the time of the Holy Prophetsa until the year 2000 A.D. We found that 109 times both lunar and solar eclipses occurred in the month of Ramazan over some part of the earth or the other. Out of these only seven pairs of eclipses were visible from Qadian. Only in the year 1894 the moon began to be eclipsed in the beginning of the night in Ramazan. The sun set in Qadian at 18 hrs 41 min and the eclipse of the moon began at 18 hrs 56 min. (Review of Religions Vol 89 No 9 September 1994 page 47)
For a detailed discussion of the fulfillment of the prophecy, please see my article entitled "
The Advent of the Promised Messiah as vindicated by the Signs of the Lunar and Solar Eclipses" in the Review of Religions, Vol. 84, No 11, November 1989, pages 3 to 24. Answers to some of the objections have been given in my article "
The Truth about Eclipses" published in The Review of Religions, Vol. 94, No's 5 and 6, May & June 1999.
Almighty God says in the Holy Quran:
He (Allah) is the Knower of the unseen, and He reveals not His secrets to anyone, except to him whom He chooses, namely a Messenger of His. (Chapter 72 Verses 27, 28.)
The remarkable prophecy of the Signs of the eclipses and its fulfillment in our age bears eloquent testimony to the greatness of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa
May Almighty God guide mankind to the right path.
