canadian43
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mullah per ***** ho .. daik lo jo aj haal mullah ke wajah se ho raha hai pakistan ka sari dunia ka...........
The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
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Knowledge Seeker
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Alhamdulillah, Our Islamic Scholars have been doing great work and they deserve credit specially to expose the false prophet hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.
From all of the people who are using the language of Kuffar-e-Makkah I still do not understand what is that they are trying to prove.
The Ulema of this were called the worst creature on the face of earth by my beloved prhphet Muhammed pbuh. My challenge to all the anti-Ahmadiyya here is that I dare you call (Naozobillah) Muhammed pbuh was wrong. Allah's wrath is already on the people who use foul language. Instead of trying to understand they keep on using the same bad language and are
digging a deeper hole for themselves.
May Allah guide us to the straight path..
Islam Zindabad.
Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.
btw if anyone of want a detail discussion let us take one of your question/arguments at a time and we will go from there.
The Ulema of this were called the worst creature on the face of earth by my beloved prhphet Muhammed pbuh. My challenge to all the anti-Ahmadiyya here is that I dare you call (Naozobillah) Muhammed pbuh was wrong. Allah's wrath is already on the people who use foul language. Instead of trying to understand they keep on using the same bad language and are
digging a deeper hole for themselves.
May Allah guide us to the straight path..
Islam Zindabad.
Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.
btw if anyone of want a detail discussion let us take one of your question/arguments at a time and we will go from there.
Night_Hawk
Siasat.pk - Blogger
I agree ............................
Raaz
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Just One Question frm Qadiani people.
If Mirza Sahib was Masih Moud then his followers should be Christians...Not Muslims...
How many Christians are following him ?
Even this party is well established in UK, Canada and all over...
Better to invite pope for discussion, or Queen ... Bush was religious Evangelical...
If Mirza Sahib was Masih Moud then his followers should be Christians...Not Muslims...
How many Christians are following him ?
Even this party is well established in UK, Canada and all over...
Better to invite pope for discussion, or Queen ... Bush was religious Evangelical...
Knowledge Seeker
Senator (1k+ posts)
Kaleem_ch said:
What our beloved Prophet (pbuh) mentioned about people who claimed false Prophet hood ???
Kaleem_ch said:
Please paraphrase your above quote as what you are trying to convey here?
Kaleem_ch said:
If I remember correctly, You had sent me private message for discussion couple of months ago but you did not contact me again after I accepted your invitation for healthy discussion. Anyway, It is good to know that at least there is someone among the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who came forward to engage in discussion.
As you mentioned that you want one question/argument at a time so I will not create problem for you and you can first address question already raised by our fellow member "RAAZ" and then Please let me know after addressing his concern whenever you are ready for discussion with me?
biomat
Minister (2k+ posts)
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother knowledge seeker, if you wish to have healthy dialogue with them, i will inform you in advance that i have been monitoring their latest & past activity on different forums. Specially on those forums who expose this cult. They will jump from one point to another, never sticking to accepted topic or point. About common point, they will not accept your translation or tafseer. Even will quote ahadith from unauthentic sources (KANZAL AMAAL etc) to prove their flase logic.
Bottom line is as in above videos Brother Akshaikh clearly ask them simple question if you quote one hadith forwarded by a sahabi, will you accept his other forwarded hadiths. Also he asked prove from any Sahaba sayings that there will be another nabi/rasool after Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.
Similarly there are more common questions which they will not answer, instead create more & more deception with in this parameter. What will Hazrat Essa AS do when he will come from heavens again.. What will Hazrat Imam Mehdi Rehmatullah Aleh will do.. What is that hadith in which Imam mehdi Rehmatullah Aleh will lead prayers & hazrat Essa AS will follow.
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Point is that they should investigate & have courage to ask their murabbis.. We dont need their lecture on moral or innocence cry...
First they should reply to Brother Shahid & Brother Akshaikh, who are exposing them from their own core & materials. If we do this, we can be blamed for biased or hate, but they were amongst them.. They are not calling them MULLAH, BANDAR, PIG etc etc, as one member posts it, they want logical dialogue with them based on their First founder Mirza Ghulam own writting. They show proves also..
You will be shock to hear that they tend to change the pages & chapters so that if you quote from his own book, they will tell you that it is not on that page.
We had tried similar dialogue, in which babadeena, brethawk, you, me & others were involved. We agree on same terms, but alas all ran away, as their current Khalifa told them not to engage nonmuslims (yes it means You & Me) on internet at that time..
In last Br Akshaikh is right WAMA KARO WAMA KARALLAH WALLAHO KHAIRUL MAKIREEN, their leader have allowed them to defend their faith on net now which will lead them to more problems & hope fully this cult will be exposed more than before.
Jaza-k-ALLAH bother for your efforts..
ALLAH knows best..
Brother knowledge seeker, if you wish to have healthy dialogue with them, i will inform you in advance that i have been monitoring their latest & past activity on different forums. Specially on those forums who expose this cult. They will jump from one point to another, never sticking to accepted topic or point. About common point, they will not accept your translation or tafseer. Even will quote ahadith from unauthentic sources (KANZAL AMAAL etc) to prove their flase logic.
Bottom line is as in above videos Brother Akshaikh clearly ask them simple question if you quote one hadith forwarded by a sahabi, will you accept his other forwarded hadiths. Also he asked prove from any Sahaba sayings that there will be another nabi/rasool after Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.
Similarly there are more common questions which they will not answer, instead create more & more deception with in this parameter. What will Hazrat Essa AS do when he will come from heavens again.. What will Hazrat Imam Mehdi Rehmatullah Aleh will do.. What is that hadith in which Imam mehdi Rehmatullah Aleh will lead prayers & hazrat Essa AS will follow.
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Point is that they should investigate & have courage to ask their murabbis.. We dont need their lecture on moral or innocence cry...
First they should reply to Brother Shahid & Brother Akshaikh, who are exposing them from their own core & materials. If we do this, we can be blamed for biased or hate, but they were amongst them.. They are not calling them MULLAH, BANDAR, PIG etc etc, as one member posts it, they want logical dialogue with them based on their First founder Mirza Ghulam own writting. They show proves also..
You will be shock to hear that they tend to change the pages & chapters so that if you quote from his own book, they will tell you that it is not on that page.
We had tried similar dialogue, in which babadeena, brethawk, you, me & others were involved. We agree on same terms, but alas all ran away, as their current Khalifa told them not to engage nonmuslims (yes it means You & Me) on internet at that time..
In last Br Akshaikh is right WAMA KARO WAMA KARALLAH WALLAHO KHAIRUL MAKIREEN, their leader have allowed them to defend their faith on net now which will lead them to more problems & hope fully this cult will be exposed more than before.
Jaza-k-ALLAH bother for your efforts..
ALLAH knows best..
Knowledge Seeker
Senator (1k+ posts)
Wa' Alaikum As Salam brother Biomat,
Jazak Allah for your excellent message. You are right that so far we have seen very disappointing participation of the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Even in selecting a teacher for us, we consider the criteria for his eligibility but the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed consider him prophet by ignoring the every aspect of his disability for the status of prophet hood. Anyway, I have noticed their frequent posts to invite us for discussion so I gave them benefit of doubt and accepted the invitation.
Let us see if they don't disappoint us again.
Jazak Allah for your excellent message. You are right that so far we have seen very disappointing participation of the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Even in selecting a teacher for us, we consider the criteria for his eligibility but the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed consider him prophet by ignoring the every aspect of his disability for the status of prophet hood. Anyway, I have noticed their frequent posts to invite us for discussion so I gave them benefit of doubt and accepted the invitation.
Let us see if they don't disappoint us again.
biomat
Minister (2k+ posts)
Assalam-o-alaikum again..
BEST OF LUCK brother. I will be watching this thread.. Need any help let us know..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your efforts..
Advice:- Do remain on one point at a time, dont, i repeat dont let them drag you to multiple topics at one time.. That i have learnt, they will try, only true knowledge seeker will abide by this law & will discuss with you openly..
BEST OF LUCK brother. I will be watching this thread.. Need any help let us know..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your efforts..
Advice:- Do remain on one point at a time, dont, i repeat dont let them drag you to multiple topics at one time.. That i have learnt, they will try, only true knowledge seeker will abide by this law & will discuss with you openly..
Knowledge Seeker and Raaz,
I am amazed by the question that Raaz has asked in his post. From the question I am inclined to think that Raaz does not know or has not read the much about the predictions of Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh.
As the we are all aware that there are hadiths about the second coming of Jesus A.S. Now does this mean that (According to the 72 sects the same Jesus A.S will come) when the Jesus you are waiting for comes, you will become a christian ? Since Jesus A.S was the prophet of the children of Israel only. Qurran Shareef clearly says that he was sent only for Israeli people.
I hope you understand the point that I am trying to make. We Ahmadis accept that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahab is the second advent of Jesus A.S since Jesus son of Marriam A.S has passed away just like all the other prophets. We are just following the order of our beloved prophet Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh by accepting him. Your interpretation of accepting him is like becoming a christian than you are going against The Mohammed pbuh.
I am amazed by the question that Raaz has asked in his post. From the question I am inclined to think that Raaz does not know or has not read the much about the predictions of Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh.
As the we are all aware that there are hadiths about the second coming of Jesus A.S. Now does this mean that (According to the 72 sects the same Jesus A.S will come) when the Jesus you are waiting for comes, you will become a christian ? Since Jesus A.S was the prophet of the children of Israel only. Qurran Shareef clearly says that he was sent only for Israeli people.
I hope you understand the point that I am trying to make. We Ahmadis accept that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahab is the second advent of Jesus A.S since Jesus son of Marriam A.S has passed away just like all the other prophets. We are just following the order of our beloved prophet Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh by accepting him. Your interpretation of accepting him is like becoming a christian than you are going against The Mohammed pbuh.
Biomat / Knowledge seeker,
AK Shaikh and his partners can say what ever they want. There are plenty of replies on Youtube to his allegations. I will request you to go through and post them as well, so everyone can find out what is the truth. Or I can post them as well.
OK So where should we start our discussion from ?
AK Shaikh and his partners can say what ever they want. There are plenty of replies on Youtube to his allegations. I will request you to go through and post them as well, so everyone can find out what is the truth. Or I can post them as well.
OK So where should we start our discussion from ?
biomat
Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Kaleem
Why r u wasting time here as no one want to listen to you, on the other hand the links i am providing below are available 24hr to listen & have debate with you guys.
Do join them & have constructive debate there you can post replies to their videos & remarks. Got my freind, you are wasting your time here.
If you can convince these guys, then you will succeed in getting back ex-ahmedis & ex-qadiyanis..
www.thecult.info/forum
http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/
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I am also member there, will be waiting to see how you convince them.
Why r u wasting time here as no one want to listen to you, on the other hand the links i am providing below are available 24hr to listen & have debate with you guys.
Do join them & have constructive debate there you can post replies to their videos & remarks. Got my freind, you are wasting your time here.
If you can convince these guys, then you will succeed in getting back ex-ahmedis & ex-qadiyanis..
www.thecult.info/forum
http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/
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I am also member there, will be waiting to see how you convince them.
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