MASSAJID: The Status of Massajid that don't fulfill basic Criteria?

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
I shall start this thread with two things:
a) Allah(SWT) says that "Mosques are only for Allah, So You(People) should
not call anyone with Allah"(in the Mosques).

b) Those mosques whose foundations have been laid on the basis of
division between Momneen are not Mosques in the sight of Allah...........

How many of our mosques filfills this criteria and do we only Call to
Allah in our Mosques". If not, then what is the status of all such mosques
in the light of Allah's commandaments.
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maasajid

ایسی تمام مساجد "مسجد ضرار" ہیں
اور انہیں ڈھا دینا ضروری ہے دین کی بقا اور حفاظت کے لیے
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Maasajid

ایسی تمام مساجد "مسجد ضرار" ہیں
اور انہیں ڈھا دینا ضروری ہے دین کی بقا اور حفاظت کے لیے
مساجد ڈھانا حل نہیں ہے، بہتر ہو گاہم اپنے غلط رو یئے ترک کریں
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maasajid

آج یہ تفرقہ نتیجہ ہے جہالت کا
دین کا علم نہ ہونا جہالت ہے
جب اسکولوں سے مذہبی تعلیمات ختم کردی جاتے تو انجام اسی جہالت پر ہوگا
جہاں ہر شخص اپنی الگ منطق کے ساتھ الگ مسجد بنا کر فتنہ پھیلا رہا ہوگا

جب تک دین کے صحیح علم کا فقدان ہو گا اسی طرح اندھیرا پھلتا رہے گا
بیرونی طاقتیں ہمارے بچوں سے دین کی کتابیں چھیننا چاہتی ہیں اور ہم ان کی ہر بات ہر سر بسجود ہو جاتے ہیں

اسلام ہمیں وہ علم دیتا ہے جو انسان کو انسان بناتا ہے
جو دونوں دنیاؤں میں کامیابی کی ضمانت ہے
ہمارا سنہرا ماضی اس بات کی گواہی دیتا ہے

آج بھی قرآن اور سنت کے بتاے ہوے راستے پر چلتے ہوے مساجد کو آباد کر لیں
اور انہیں اپنی زندگی کا محور بنا لیں ...... ساری دنیا ہماری ٹھوکر میں ہوگی
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maasajid

ایسی تمام مساجد "مسجد ضرار" ہیں
اور انہیں ڈھا دینا ضروری ہے دین کی بقا اور حفاظت کے لیے

Qaiser bhai har masjid masjide drar nahin hai kyunkeh aag ham aam log hen nabuwat khatam ho chuli hai aur kon sahee hai air kon ghalat ab hamare apne ooper hai keh ham quran ko kitna samajhte hen. Masjiden dhane se aapas mein fitna fasaad aur bade ga.

Behter hai ham aik doosre ko sabar ki taraf raaghib karen aur aapas mein mil beth kar masale ka hal talaash karen. Aaaram se baaton ke zariye.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maasajid - What is the status of mosques that don't fulfill basic criteria ?

I shall start this thread with two things:
a) Allah(SWT) says that "Mosques are only for Allah, So You(People) should
not call anyone with Allah"(in the Mosques).

b) Those mosques whose foundations have been laid on the basis of
division between Momneen are not Mosques in the sight of Allah...........

How many of our mosques filfills this criteria and do we only Call to
Allah in our Mosques". If not, then what is the status of all such mosques
in the light of Allah's commandaments.

Masjids are houses of allah but it is up to people to use them properly. However the question is are muslims aware of quran properly? If not then the result has to be what we see ie misuse of houses of allah.

If we do not discuss the issues that result in misuse of masaajid then again this is not going to solve the problem. So the only answer is that we must find a way to talk and develop capacity for listening and tolerating each other so that we do not end up fighting and killing each other.

I think open discussions on divisive religous issues is the only solution so that we could find ways to turn them around in the positive direction from all that negativity.

Condemning each other when we see each other doing wrong only increases trouble so we should change this into putting forth better explanations instead so that minds end up being attracted to those and leave behind all that mess that is troubling.

regards and all the best.
 
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Kashi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Maasajid - What is the status of mosques that don't fulfill basic criteria ?

Sorry to say Qaiser Sb. You are in Canada and saying "unseen powers Berooni Taaqtein" "destruction of mosques".... You are living abroad and your thoughts, ideas are contradictory. You must go to a mosque and start preaching true Islam if you feel. If you find that there's something wrong, say directly to the people that they are doing wrong. If you have courage like this then you can say destroy the mosques. Anyhow, sorry, this is something personal but its not the solution we destroy mosques.

Once I visited Mississauga and offered my jumma prayer there. I saw a digital screen, a good collection of books. I found this a good attempt for attraction and comprehension. I think there are many mosques, islamic centres in Canada. For me, prob is the lack of education, lack of Arabic knowledge, so people wanna fill this gap of unawareness with religion. And the method of practicing their religion they find their own ways . Once a scholar says that "Early Muslims believed in Allah and modern Muslims believe in Islam". So the sact, firqa, etc which suit to them, they mostly adopt. We all do the same, if we do bad with other muslim brothers, we are Hazrat sb, Haaji Sb but we do business of "Soodh", we have girlfriends, we drink...... but we say "sabb jaayyazz haey". If this kind of Islam, then the consequence is always there.

There's a story in Hikayati roomi: Once there was a camel, a sheep and an ox (male cow). Three of them were walking and walking, tired and hungry in a forest. Suddenly they found a heap of grass tied with a rope (fodder for cattle something like that). Sheep says that I'm sacred than both of you, I'm an animal from paradise, prophet used for sacrifice. So this food goes to me. The Ox sys that I'm sacred and pious. Prophets used me for agriculture etc etc. Camel was listening, he picked up this heap of grass in the air and says I don't know who is sacred and pious. But the direly need of the time is this grass belongs to me and I'm going to eat this. If you could grasp this you can try.

This is the thing, what is the need of time. I think in this digital era, we must make our mosques as libraries, online solution to religious problems, internet connection or connection to other world mosques through satellites, easy and understandable collection of books in Urdu even in local languages. This way we can make our muslims get engaged in Islam. Otherwise they will always do conflicts and get involved in sacts, firqas.
 

Kashi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Maasajid - What is the status of mosques that don't fulfill basic criteria ?

May Allah confer His blessings upon all of us
 
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6sman

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Salam!

Perhaps the greatest concern with mosques nowadays is their construction on sectarian grounds. 90% (if not more) of our mosques are built predominately for indoctrination of sectarian thoughts and trends. How many mosques do you see bearing name-plates pertaining to particular sects and groups, the likes of Markaz Ahle-Hadith, Jami'ah Ashrafiyyah, Jami'ah Na'eemiyyah and such. The problem of course lays not in mosques built of bricks and terra-cotta, it is WE who need change our manners and moods to suite religion, not the vice-versa.

Salam!
 

Faiza

Moderator
My Muslim brothers what we need today is patience, tolerance, care, understanding, love, humanity, humbleness.

Divide and conquer is a very old strategy used by our enemies.so we should try to eliminate that, rather than focusing on the problem we should look for a solution..destroying a mosque is not a solution.

There are many (firkay) in Muslims, we cannot change other according to our believe.I personally dont believe in any firka, and I believe that we should have only one title (Muslim), but if there are other people who want to believe in little difference, we have no right to tell them that we are better than them, only Allah know the truth, that who is better and who is not

If all of us can perform hajj together without any problem what other person is doing different than us, and we try to behave best to please Allah, we can do the same in daily routine life...

Sorry if I giving an impression that I have a better knowledge than other here I respect every bodys knowledge; I am only asking to accept each other with love for the sake of Allah.

There are certain conditions before we build a mosque like, distance from other mosques, it should be from halal money ect.I personally know that in some places in Pakistan they build a mosque in the government property without permission (it like kabza), there are other corruption going on in the name of donation (chanda), but people still go there read namaz, and I hope people who are not part of this they can perform there namaz any where with this hope that Allah will accept their prayers..
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Thanks to all who are participating and liking the thread: Dependent purely upon Quran, the
Mosques concept and requirements are:

a) Its foundations(construction) should be based on TAQWA AND RIZWAN MIN ALLAH.
B) Such Mosques are only for Allah's worship, nothing else. No one should be called there
besides Allah or with Allah;
c) People should enter into such mosques in Fear and they should not strive for making
ills (destruction) in them. For such people there is Zilat in this world and also in the
Hereafter.
d) Mushraykeen are not allowed to tend the Mosques of Allah.(Now this word Mushrik needs
to be defined, Inshalla in some other thread it will be dealt);

e) Mosques built to cause Zarar (Takleef, harm), and division among the believers have been
compared in Quran as the Building "founded on the brink of a crumbling, overhanging precipice so that it toppled with the builders into the fire of hell;

f) It has been commanded by Allah and now it has become Sunnat of our Rasool(SWT)
not to stand in such Mosques for Prayer.
g) Such people have been granted the title of "Zalmeen", and their abode is Hell Fire.

If we take an unbiased and impartial survey of our Mosques, very few will fulfill
the requirements laid down in Quran. A very interesting thing is that when
a group of people wish to build a mosque, they never say that this mosque is going
to be named for a particular sect/fiqah etc and only people belonging to that fiqah
or sect should contribute. No. They get contributions from all, and when
mosque is ready, it is forcibly or diplomatically occupied and labelled as,
x,y,z, mosque. No one can deny that the growth of Mosques is like
mushroom. The million dollar question is what we should do with those building
the foundation of which from the very day was against the spirit of Quran?
any suggestion please?
 
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Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
مسجد اگر زمین پر ناجائز قبضہ کر کے نہیں بنی تو پھر

"کنواں بند کرنے کی بجایے اس میں گرا کتا اور چند ڈول پانی نکال دینا زیادہ بہتر نہیں ہو گا؟"
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
مسجد اگر زمین پر ناجائز قبضہ کر کے نہیں بنی تو پھر

"کنواں بند کرنے کی بجایے اس میں گرا کتا اور چند ڈول پانی نکال دینا زیادہ بہتر نہیں ہو گا؟"

When such buildings do not fulfill the criteria so whatever people do there and whatevever names the people may have
given to them is of no value:
Instead of making their demolitions, they should be converted into some other uses, their
foundations have not been laid down upon the basis of "Taqwa", therefore they will never
qualify as "Mosques". My own personal view is that, in the radius of 600 meters around,
there should be only one mosque, called by the Mohallah name(like Mosque of G-6
in Islamabad) and everyone, irrespective
of his/her fiqah should be forced/obliged to offer their prayer. Sounds difficult but
worth a try. Otherwise, just think that Mosques are full of people but in practical
form their effects are zero.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think force never works unless it is backed up by a reason that is acceptable to people involved. The people who have been using force to enforce what other people think is unreasonable has never been successful. Oppression always leads to struggle for freedom. The better idea is to discover the formula for unity and then educate people about it.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think force never works unless it is backed up by a reason that is acceptable to people involved. The people who have been using force to enforce what other people think is unreasonable has never been successful. Oppression always leads to struggle for freedom. The better idea is to discover the formula for unity and then educate people about it.
When I wrote "forced/Obliged", I did not mean that physical force should be used. But rather, having only
one Mosque in the area, everyone will have to offer prayer there. It was in that sense forced/obliged.
There is only one formula and that is very simple "What Quran says, that is final", if people are
not going to accept that, never they shall be united, this is how the law of nature is!!!!!
 

faqira786

Senator (1k+ posts)
I am sure most of you who gave your input have NONE of the knowledge of building Masajid or personnal experience

I completely understand what is the mean of original post and he is absolutely right

this is a GREY area and better to keep quite. I have so much to share but its better to focus on other issues

Dont ask and dont tell policy.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear faqira there is nothing wrong with you sharing your thoughts on a matter the only thing is that we should never try to impose our thoughts on others. We should just state our views and let people think over them and see if they make sense to them. If they do, well and good if they do not, we can try and explain further.

That is all.

regards and all the best.
 

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