What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

atensari

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Dead Israr also didnt know about Sahih Hadees. Someone see the video and then read the Hadees.

In some cases ignorance is Blessing
Incomplete knowledge is Evil
and denying knowledge is Devilish Act

Once again I will like you to have some more knowledge on the topic

 

Malik495

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

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Cheeko

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Re: Importance of Adab e Mustafa s.a.w

Zakir Naik is like parrot who learn Najdi author books.

Following the whole Quran is good but following selective Ayats is bad. Each and every word Quran tells is to be followed. This man mixing intercession and shirk both and telling that intercession is also shirk. Only Allah is giver and only worship is to Allah. One only ask to Allah.
None of you have told anything about the Quran Ayats in which intercession clearly found. Have you closed your eyes or it that your hearts closed. The truth is mentioned in Quran while you deny it. It is clear that except whom Allah wills. If the Last Messenger peace be upon Him not the exception then no one is exception and then do you tell that these Ayats are waste Nauzobillah.


Any man know meaning of intercession


Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]


Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.


That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]

And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]


And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]


He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]


And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]


And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]
In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden

Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]

Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat

O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]

 

Cheeko

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Re: Importance of Adab e Mustafa s.a.w

Intercession in Hadees

Sahih Muslim – Kitab ul Iman



#0367
It is reported on the authority of Abu Zubair that he heard from Jabir b 'Abdullah, who was asked about the arrival (of people on the Day of Resurrection). He said. We would come on the Day of Resurrection like this, like this, and see. carefully. that which concerns" elevated people". He (the narrator) said: Then the people would be summoned along with their idols whom they worshipped, one after another. Then our Lord would come to us and say: Whom are you waiting for? They would say: We are waiting for our Lord. He would say: I am your Lord. They would say: (We are not sure) till we gaze at Thee, and He would manifest Himself to them smilingly, and would go along with them and they would follow Him; and every person, whether a hypocrite or a believer, would be endowed with a light, and there would be spikes and hooks on the bridge of the Hell, which would catch hold of those whom Allah willed. Then the light of the hypocrites would be extinguished, and the believers would secure salvation. and the first group to achieve it would comprise seventy thousand men who would have the brightness of full moon on their faces, and they would not be called to account. Then the people immediately following them would have their faces as the brightest stars in the heaven. This is how (the groups would follow one after another). Then the stage of intercession would come, and they (who are permitted to intercede) would intercede, till he who had declared:" There is no god but Allah" and had in his heart virtue of the weight of a barley grain would come out of the Fire. They would be then brought in the courtyard of Paradise and the inhabitants of Paradise would begin to sprinkle water over them till they would sprout like the sprouting of a thing in flood water, and their burns would disappear. They would ask their Lord till they would be granted (the bounties) of the world and with it ten more besides it.


#0369
Hammad b. Zaid, reported: I said to 'Amr b. Dinar: Did you hear Jabir b. 'Abdullah narrating from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) that Allah would bring out people from the Fire through intercession. He said: Yes.


#0373
Anas b Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Allah would gather people on the Day of Resurrection and they would be concerned about it, and Ibn Ubaid said. They would get a Divine inspiration about it, and would say: If we could seek intercession with our Lord, we may be relieved from this predicament of ours. He (the Holy Prophet) said: They would come to Adam andsay, Thou art Adam, the father of mankind. Allah created thee with His own hand and breathed unto thee of His Spirit and commanded the angels and they prostrated before thee. So intercede for us with thy Lords, that He may relieve us from this position of ours. He would say: I am not in a position to do this, and would recall his error, and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that; go to Noah the first messenger (after me) sent by Allah. He (the Holy Prophet) said: So they would come to Noah (peace be upon him). He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and recall his fault which he had committed, and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that, (and would say): You better go to Ibrahim (peace be upon him) whom Allah took for a friend. They would come to Ibrahim (peace be upon him) and he would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and would recall his fault that he had committed and would, therefore, fight shy of his Lord on that account (and would say): You better go to Moses (peace be upon him) with whom Allah conversed and con- ferred Torah upon him. He (the Holy Prophet) said: So they would come to Moses (peace be upon him) He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and would recall his fault that he had committed and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that (and would say): You better go to Jesus, the Spirit of Allah and His word He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you; you better go to Muhammad (may peace be upon him), a servant whose former and later sins have been forgiven. He (the narrator) said: The Messenger or Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: So they would come to me and I would ask the permission of my Lord and it would be granted to me, and when I would see Him, I would fall down in prostration, and He (Allah) would leave me thus as long as He would wish, and then it would be said: O Muhammad, raise your head, say and you would be heard; ask and it would be granted; intercede and intercession would be accepted. Then I would raise my head and extrol my Lord with the praise which my Lord would teach me. I shall then inter- cede, but a limit would be set for me I would bring them out from the Fire and make them enter Paradise (according to the limit). I shall return then ard fall down in pros- tration and Allah would leave me (in that position) as long as He would wish to leave me it would be said: Rise, O Muhammad, say and you would be heard; ask and it would be conferred; intercede and intercession would be granted. I would raise my head and extrol my Lord with praise that He would teach me. I would theft intercede and a limit would be set for me. I would bring them out of the Fire (of Hell) and make them enter Paradise. He (the narrator) said: I do not remember whether he (the Holy Prophet) said at tLe third time or at the fourth time: O my Lord, none has been left in the Fire, but thise restrained by the Holy Qur'an, i e. those who were eternally doomed. Ibn Ubaid said in a narration: Qatada observed: whose everlasting stay was imperative".


#0388
Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported: Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? Abu Huraira said: Yes.


#0389
Abu Huraira said: The Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a prayer which is granted, but every prophet showed haste in his prayer. I have, however, reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection, and it would be granted, if Allah so willed, in case of everyone amongst my Ummah provided he dies without associating anything with Allah.


#0390
Abu Huraira said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Every Messenger is endowed with a prayer which is granted and by which he would (pray to his Lord) and it would he granted for him. I have, however, reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummab on the Day of Resurrection.


#0391
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There was for every apostle a prayer with which he prayed for his Ummah and it was granted to him; but I wish, if Allah so wills, to defer my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.


#0392
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a prayer with which he prays (to Allah) for his Ummah. I have reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.


#0393
This hadith is narrated with the same chain of narrators by Qatada.


#0394
Mis'ar transmitted it with the same chain of narrators from Qatada except that in the hadith narrated by Waki' (the Prophet) said:" He was endowed," and in the hadith reported by Abu Usama (the words are):" It is reported from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him)."


#0395
Muhammad b. 'Abd al-A'la reported it to me: Mu'tamir narrated to us on the authority of his father who transmitted it liom Anas that verity the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said, and then narrated the hadith like the one transmitted by Qatada on the authority of Anas.


#0396
Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. Abdullah reporting it from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him): For every apostle was a prayer with which he prayed (to his Lord) for his Ummah, but I have reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.


#0397
'Abdullah b. Amr b. al-'As reported: Verily the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) recited the words of Allah, the Great and Glorious, that Ibrahim uttered. My Lord! lo! they have led many of mankind astray:" But whoso followeth me, he verily is of me" (al-Qur'an, xiv. 35) and Jesus (peace be upon him) said:" If thou punisheth them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgiveth them-verily Thou art the Mighty, the Wise" (al-Qur'an, v 117). Then he raised his hands and said: O Lord, my Ummah, my Ummah, and wept; so Allah the High and the Exalted said: O Gabriel, go to Muhammad (though your Lord knows it fully well) and ask him: What makes thee weep? So Gabriel (peace be upon him) came to him and asked him, and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) informed him what he had said (though Allah knew it fully well). Upon this Allah said: O Gabriel, go to Muhammad any say: Verily We will please thee with regard to your Ummah and would not displease thee.


#0411
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported: A mention was made of his uncle Abu Talib before the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) He said: My intercession may benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and he may be placed in the shallow part of the Fire which would reach his ankles and his brain would be boiling


#0420
Abu Huraira reported: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) saying: A group of my Ummah consisting of seventy thousand persons would enter Paradise; their faces would be as bright as the brightness of the full moon. Abd Huraira said: 'Ukkasha b. Mihsan al-Asadi then stood up wrapping the blanket around him and said: Messenger of Allah, supplicate (before) Allah that He should make me one among them. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: O Allah, make him among them. Then stood up a man from the Ansa and said: Messenger of Allah, pray to Allah that He should make me one among them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'Ukkasha has preceded you in this matter.


#0422
It is reported on the authority of 'Imran that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Seventy thousand people of my Ummah would be admitted into Paradise without rendering any account. They (the companions) said: Who would be of those (fortunate persons)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Those who do not cauterise and practise charm, but repose trust in their Lord, 'Ukkasha then stood up and said: Supplicate (before) Allah that He should make me one among them. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Thou art one among them He (the narrator) said: A man stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, supplicate (before) Allah that He should make me one among them. He (the Holy Prophet said: 'Ukkasha has preceded you (in this matter).
 

Cheeko

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Re: Importance of Adab e Mustafa s.a.w

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Man zara qabri wajabat lahu shafa`ati.
Whoever visits my grave, it becomes incumbent upon me to intercede for him.

Narrated by al-Daraqutni, al-Dulabi, al-Bayhaqi, Khatib al-Baghdadi, al-`Uqayli, Ibn `Adiy, Tabarani, and Ibn Khuzaymah in his Sahih, all through various chains going back to Musa ibn Hilal al-`Abdiyy from Ubayd Allah Ibn Umar, both from Nafi`, from Ibn `Umar.
Dhahabi declared this chain hasan (fair) as narrated, in "Mizan al- i`tidal," vol. 4, p. 226: "Huwa salih al-hadith" which means:"He -- Musa ibn Hilal -- is good in his narrations." Al-Sakhawi confirmed him in the "Maqasid al-hasana", while al-Subki declared it sahih according to Samhudi in Sa`adat al-drayn 1:77. Ibn `Adiyy said: "He [Musa ibn Hilal] is most likely acceptable; other people have called him 'unknown' and this is not true... He is one of the shuyukhs of Imam Ahmad and most of them are trustworthy." al-Kamil fi al-Du`afa (6:2350). Albani declared him "thabit al-riwaya" (of established reliability) in his Irwa' 4:338. About `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar al-`Umari: - Dhahabi calls him "saduq hasan al-hadith" [truthful, of fair narrations] al-Mughni 1:348; - Sakhawi says of him "salih al-hadith" [of sound narrations] al-tuhfat al-latifat 3:366; - Ibn Mu`in said to Darimi about him: "salih thiqat" [sound and reliable] al-kamil 4:1459.



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Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] narrates that once a blind person came to Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, ‘Oh Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]! Ask Allah to cure me.’ Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] replied, ‘If you wish I will make Du’aa or else you may be patient and this is better for you.’ The man said, ‘Make Du’aa instead’, Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] then commanded him to make Wudhu properly and that he recites the following Du’aa, ‘Oh Allah, verily, I ask of you and I turn to you through your prophet, the prophet of mercy, O Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], verily, I have turned to my Lord through you so that my need be fulfilled. Oh Allah, accept his intercession on my behalf.’ (Musnad Ahmad vol.4 pg.138; Sunan Tirmidhi; Sunan ibn Majah; Mustadrak Haakim and others). Imaams Tirmidhi, ibn Khuzaymah and Haakim have classified this Hadith as authentic. The words, ‘I turn to you through your prophet’ clearly proves Tawassul through the position of a person. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] also told him that he should make the same supplication whenever he needed to. (al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen pg.145)
Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] taught this du’aa to someone after the demise of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]. That person’s need was also fulfilled.



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Abu Umaamah ibn Sahl ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that a person requested Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallaahu anhu] to fulfil his need. Sayyiduna Uthmaan [radhiallaahu anhu] did not attend to him. The person complained to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] about his plight. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] told him to make Wudhu, go to the Musjid, offer 2 Rakaats of Salaat and recite the following Du’aa: ‘O Allah, verily I ask you and I turn to you through our prophet, the prophet of mercy (Rasulullah – sallallaahu alayhi wasallam). O Muhammad! Verily, I have turned to our Lord through you so that He may fulfil my need.’
The person then went to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallahu anhu] who then [radhiallaahu anhu] immediately fulfilled his need and told him to return whenever he had any need in the future. (al-Mu’jamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184; al-Mu’jamul Kabeer vol.9 pg.17; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.6 pg.167-168)
Imaam Tabrani has mentioned that this Hadith is authentic. (al-Mu’jamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184). Allamah Mahmood Zaahid Al- Kawthari has also classified the chains of Baihaqi to be Saheeh (authentic). (Maqaalatul-Kawthari pg.391). For a detailed analysis refer to al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen of Shaykh Abdullah Siddique al-Ghumarie pgs.141-157; Raf’ul Manaarah of Shaykh Mahmood Sa’eed Mamdooh pgs.125-131



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Sayyiduna Anas ibn Maalik [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that when the mother of Sayyiduna Ali [radhiallahu anhu] passed away (Faatima bint Asad – radhiallaahu anha], Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] made the following Du’aa before burying her: ‘O Allah, The One who gives life and death, and Who is living and will never die, forgive my mother Faatima bint Asad [radhiallaahu anha], and make her arguments known to her, i.e. make the answering of Munkar and Nakeer easy, and make her grave spacious for her. (I ask you) through the right of your prophet and all the prophet’s before me, for verily You are Most Merciful.’ (al-Mu’jamul awsat vol.1 pg.152; Hilya vol.3 pg.121)



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‘Bi haqqi nabiyyika’ (through the right of your prophet). This narration is classified as authentic according to the standards of Imaam ibn Hibbaan and Haakim. (Raf’ul Manaarah pg.147; Maqaalaatul Kawthari). Haafiz Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami(RA) that its chain of narrators is good.(Refer to his footnotes on Al-Manaasik of Imaam Nawawi(RA) pg.500…)



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When a person leaves the Musjid, the following du’aa is recorded, ‘Allaahumma inniy as-aluka bi haqqis-saa-ileena alayka, wa bi haqqi mamshaaya haaza…’. (Translation: Oh Allah, I ask you through the right of those who ask you and through the right of the act of my walking…)
In this narration, Tawassul through people is established, ‘…through the right of those who ask’ and Tawassul through one’s deeds is supported by the second part. This Hadith is recorded in Sunan ibn Maajah, Musnad Ahmad (vol.3 pg.21), Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah and others. The following Muhadditheen have regarded it as authentic: Imaam ibn Khuzaymah (Kitaab Tawheed pg.17), Hafiz Abdul-Ghani al-Maqdisi (al-Naseehah), Hafiz Abul-Hasan al-Maqdisi – teacher of Allaamah Munzhiri (refer al-Targheeb vol.3 pg.273), Allamah al-Iraqi – Ustaadh of Hafiz ibn Hajar (Takhrijul Ihyaa), Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani (Nataa-ijul Afkaar vol.1 pg.272), Hafiz Dimyati (Al-Matjarur-raabih). These are six great Muhadditheen that have accepted this Hadith to be authentic, hence, there remains no doubt at all concerning its acceptability.




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Sayyiduna Maalik al-Daar, the treasurer of food during the time of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [radhiallaahu anhu], reports that once the people had been experiencing a drought in the era of Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu], a man went to the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, ‘O Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], ask for rain on behalf of your Ummah, for verily, they are being destroyed.’ Thereafter this person was instructed in a dream to go to Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] and tell him that, ‘the rains will soon come and say to him, Be intelligent’, When Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] was informed of this, he began to cry and he said, ‘O My Lord, I will only leave out what I am unable to do.’ (Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47). Hafiz ibn Katheer [ra] has stated that the chain of narrators is ‘good and strong’ (Musnadul Faarooq vol.1 pg.223). Hafiz ibn Hajar has also indicated to its authenticity in Fathul Bari.



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Abul-Jawzaa – Aws ibn Abdullah [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that once, the people of Madinah were experiencing a severe drought. They complained to Sayyidatuna Aaisha [radhiallahu anha]. She advised them that they should make a hole in the tomb of the roof of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] so that the grave is exposed to the skies. He says, ‘When they made a hole, heavy rains came down and crops also began to grow.’ (Sunan Darimi vol.1 pg.56)



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Dawud ibn Salih says: "[The Umayyad Caliph] Marwan [ibn al-Hakam] one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet . He said: "Do you know what you are doing?" When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari. The latter said: "Yes; I came to the Prophet , not to a stone. I heard the Prophet say:
Do not weep on religion if its people assume its leadership (walyahu), but weep on it if other than its people assume it."

Ahmad 5:422, Hakim (Mustadrak 4:515); both the latter and al-Dhahabi said it was sahih. It is thus cited by as-Subki (Shifa' as-siqam p. 126), Ibn Taymiyya (al-Muntaqa 2:261f.), and al-Haythami (al-Zawa'id 4:2).



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All jurists including Imami' Shafi'i' Maliki' and later-day Hanafi scholars as well as others such as the Hanbalis' are unanimous on the permissibility of supplication whether it was in the lifetime of the Prophet (s) or whether it is after his passing away.
1. Sharh al-Mawahib' vol. 8' p. 304;
2. al-Majmu'' vol. 8' p. 274;
3. Ibn 'Abidin' vol. 5' p.254;
4. al-Fatawa al-Hindiyyah' vol. 1' p. 266 and vol. 5' 318;
5. Fath al-Qadir' vol. 8' p. 297' 298
6. al-Futuhat al-Rabbaniyyah 'ala al-Azkar al-Nabawiyyah' vol. 5' p. 36





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The Abbasid caliph' Mansur al-Dawaniqi' once asked Imam Malik ibn Anas whether he should turn towards the grave of the Prophet (s) or face the Qiblah for supplication? Malik answered him: Why do you want to turn away from the Prophet (s) when he (Prophet Muhammad (s)) is the wasilah (means) for you and for your father Adam' towards Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Turn to him (the Prophet) and seek his intercession (shafa'at).
[Taken from Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh' vol. 3' p. 588; al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni' vol. 3' p. 494; al-Qadi 'Iyad in al-Shifa (2:92-93)



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Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah 'Ala' al-Din al-Mardawi said in his book al-Insaf fi ma'rifat al-rajih min al-khilaf 'ala madhhab al-Imam al-mubajjal Ahmad ibn Hanbal (3:456): "The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one's supplication (du'a) to use as means a pious person' and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb). Imam Ahmad said to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi:yatawassalu bi al-nabi fi du'a'ih -- "Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah".



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Imam of Ahl ul Sunnah Ibn Hajr Haytami has repeated in many places of his book al-Sawa'iq al-muhriqa li ahl al-dalal wa al-zandaqa (eg page 180) and al-Khayrat al-hisan (p. 69): "Imam Shafi'i made tawassul through the Family of the Prophet (Ahl al-Bayt) when he said: Al al-nabi dhari'ati wa hum ilayhi wasilati arju bihim u'ta ghadan bi yadi al-yamini sahifati
The Family of the Prophet are my means and my intermediary to him. Through them I hope to be given my record with the right hand tomorrow".

1. Ibn Hajr Haytami' in Al-Sawa'iq al-muhriqa li ahl al-dalal wa al-zandaqa (eg page 180)
2. al-Khayrat al-hisan (p. 69) This has also been found in Diwan al-Shafi'i as edited by 'Umar Faruq al-Dabbagh (Beirut: Dar al-arqam' n.d.) p. 50.




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The pilgrim should face the shrine of the Messenger of Allah (s)' make him a means (tawassul) towards reaching God and seek his wasilah as intercession (shafa'at)' in the same manner as the Bedouin who visited the Prophet's shrine and standing beside it said: ‘Peace unto you O Messenger of Allah' I have heard Allah has said:
...Had they' when they had wronged themselves' come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them' they would certainly have found Allah Most-Propitious' Most-Merciful. (Holy Qur'an 4: 64).
Therefore' I have come to you for forgiveness of my sins and seeking your intercession with Allah.

Al-Majmu'' vol. 8' p. 274; Fayd al-Qadir' vol. 2' p. 134; I'anah al-Talibiyyin' p. 315.



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Ibn Qudamah Hanbali' defining the manner of pilgrimage to the shrine of the Prophet (s)' writes in the book al-Mughni Stand beside the tomb of the Prophet (s)' and say: I have come to you for forgiveness of my sins and to seek your intercession with Allah.
1. Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh' vol. 3' p. 588;
2. al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni' vol. 3' p. 494
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Importance of Adab e Mustafa s.a.w

Tawassul and Waseelah literally means to make a request or supplicate through a means. It is permissible for one to request Allah Ta’ala to accept his du’aa through the medium of some deeds or the rank of certain individuals as this may be closer to acceptance.

There are various forms of Tawassul and Waseela:

1. To make Tawassul to Almighty Allah that He accepts the Du’aa due to one having performed a certain good deed is permissible and unanimously accepted. It is supported by the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari in which three people were trapped in a cave. Each of them made Du’aa to Allah Ta’ala to move the obstructing rock and they requested Allah Ta’ala to accept their du’aas due to some good deed that each of them had done.

2. To make Tawassul with the names and attributes of Almighty Allah: This is also permissible and is supported by the following verse, ‘And Allah has beautiful names, so call unto Him through them.’ (Surah A’araaf v.180). Example: If someone says, ‘Oh Allah, I ask you through your attributes and beautiful names to grant my specific wish.’

3. To make Tawassul to Allah Ta’ala through the rank and position of certain individuals, alive or deceased, in the sight of Almighty Allah This includes the Prophets [alayhimus salaam], the martyrs and any other pious servant of Allah. Example: If one says, ‘Oh Allah, I beseech you to accept my du’aa due to the status of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] in Your eyes.’ This form of Tawassul is also permissible according to the vast majority of the Ulama (scholars) and it has in fact remained part of their practise.

4. Some scholars even mention a fourth type of Tawassul, where a person requests some living pious servant of Allah to make du’aa for him: This is also unanimously accepted.

The only type of Tawassul that is disputed is number3, where one makes Tawassul through individuals that are alive or deceased by saying, ‘O Allah, I besech you to accept my Du’aa due to the status that Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] (or some other pious person) hold in Your eyes.’ The first opposition against this form of Tawassul was in the 7th century of Islam. (shifaa-u-siqaam)

There are numerous proofs that support the permissibility of Tawassul through individuals. The following are some substantiations:

1. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] narrates that once a blind person came to Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, ‘Oh Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]! Ask Allah to cure me.’ Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] replied, ‘If you wish I will make Du’aa or else you may be patient and this is better for you.’ The man said, ‘Make Du’aa instead’, Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] then commanded him to make Wudhu properly and that he recites the following Du’aa, ‘Oh Allah, verily, I ask of you and I turn to you through your prophet, the prophet of mercy, O Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], verily, I have turned to my Lord through you so that my need be fulfilled. Oh Allah, accept his intercession on my behalf.’ (Musnad Ahmad vol.4 pg.138; Sunan Tirmidhi; Sunan ibn Majah; Mustadrak Haakim and others). Imaams Tirmidhi, ibn Khuzaymah and Haakim have classified this Hadith as authentic. The words, ‘I turn to you through your prophet’ clearly proves Tawassul through the position of a person. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] also told him that he should make the same supplication whenever he needed to. (al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen pg.145)

2. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] taught this du’aa to someone after the demise of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]. That person’s need was also fulfilled.

Abu Umaamah ibn Sahl ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that a person requested Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallaahu anhu] to fulfil his need. Sayyiduna Uthmaan [radhiallaahu anhu] did not attend to him. The person complained to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] about his plight. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] told him to make Wudhu, go to the Musjid, offer 2 Rakaats of Salaat and recite the following Du’aa: ‘O Allah, verily I ask you and I turn to you through our prophet, the prophet of mercy (Rasulullah – sallallaahu alayhi wasallam). O Muhammad! Verily, I have turned to our Lord through you so that He may fulfil my need.’

The person then went to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallahu anhu] who then [radhiallaahu anhu] immediately fulfilled his need and told him to return whenever he had any need in the future. (al-Mu’jamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184; al-Mu’jamul Kabeer vol.9 pg.17; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.6 pg.167-168)

Imaam Tabrani has mentioned that this Hadith is authentic. (al-Mu’jamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184). Allamah Mahmood Zaahid Al- Kawthari has also classified the chains of Baihaqi to be Saheeh (authentic). (Maqaalatul-Kawthari pg.391). For a detailed analysis refer to al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen of Shaykh Abdullah Siddique al-Ghumarie pgs.141-157; Raf’ul Manaarah of Shaykh Mahmood Sa’eed Mamdooh pgs.125-131

3. Sayyiduna Anas ibn Maalik [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that when the mother of Sayyiduna Ali [radhiallahu anhu] passed away (Faatima bint Asad – radhiallaahu anha], Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] made the following Du’aa before burying her: ‘O Allah, The One who gives life and death, and Who is living and will never die, forgive my mother Faatima bint Asad [radhiallaahu anha], and make her arguments known to her, i.e. make the answering of Munkar and Nakeer easy, and make her grave spacious for her. (I ask you) through the right of your prophet and all the prophet’s before me, for verily You are Most Merciful.’ (al-Mu’jamul awsat vol.1 pg.152; Hilya vol.3 pg.121)

‘Bi haqqi nabiyyika’ (through the right of your prophet). This narration is classified as authentic according to the standards of Imaam ibn Hibbaan and Haakim. (Raf’ul Manaarah pg.147; Maqaalaatul Kawthari). Haafiz Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami(RA) that its chain of narrators is good.(Refer to his footnotes on Al-Manaasik of Imaam Nawawi(RA) pg.500…)

4. When a person leaves the Musjid, the following du’aa is recorded, ‘Allaahumma inniy as-aluka bi haqqis-saa-ileena alayka, wa bi haqqi mamshaaya haaza…’. (Translation: Oh Allah, I ask you through the right of those who ask you and through the right of the act of my walking…)

In this narration, Tawassul through people is established, ‘…through the right of those who ask’ and Tawassul through one’s deeds is supported by the second part. This Hadith is recorded in Sunan ibn Maajah, Musnad Ahmad (vol.3 pg.21), Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah and others. The following Muhadditheen have regarded it as authentic: Imaam ibn Khuzaymah (Kitaab Tawheed pg.17), Hafiz Abdul-Ghani al-Maqdisi (al-Naseehah), Hafiz Abul-Hasan al-Maqdisi – teacher of Allaamah Munzhiri (refer al-Targheeb vol.3 pg.273), Allamah al-Iraqi – Ustaadh of Hafiz ibn Hajar (Takhrijul Ihyaa), Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani (Nataa-ijul Afkaar vol.1 pg.272), Hafiz Dimyati (Al-Matjarur-raabih). These are six great Muhadditheen that have accepted this Hadith to be authentic, hence, there remains no doubt at all concerning its acceptability.

The following two proofs illustrate to us the practise of the Sahaaba [radhiallaahu anhum] as well:

5. Sayyiduna Maalik al-Daar, the treasurer of food during the time of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [radhiallaahu anhu], reports that once the people had been experiencing a drought in the era of Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu], a man went to the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, ‘O Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], ask for rain on behalf of your Ummah, for verily, they are being destroyed.’ Thereafter this person was instructed in a dream to go to Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] and tell him that, ‘the rains will soon come and say to him, Be intelligent’, When Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] was informed of this, he began to cry and he said, ‘O My Lord, I will only leave out what I am unable to do.’ (Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47). Hafiz ibn Katheer [ra] has stated that the chain of narrators is ‘good and strong’ (Musnadul Faarooq vol.1 pg.223). Hafiz ibn Hajar has also indicated to its authenticity in Fathul Bari.

6. Abul-Jawzaa – Aws ibn Abdullah [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that once, the people of Madinah were experiencing a severe drought. They complained to Sayyidatuna Aaisha [radhiallahu anha]. She advised them that they should make a hole in the tomb of the roof of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] so that the grave is exposed to the skies. He says, ‘When they made a hole, heavy rains came down and crops also began to grow.’ (Sunan Darimi vol.1 pg.56)

7. Imaam Haakim and others have narrated on the authority of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [radhiallaahu anhu] that Rasulullah [Sallallahu alayhi wasallam] said, ‘When Adam [alayhis salaam] ate from the forbidden tree, he said, ‘O My Lord, I ask you through the right of Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] that you forgive me.’ The words used were, ‘Bi haqqi Muhammad’ Allah Ta’ala accepted Aadam’s [alayhis salaam] repentance. (al-Mustadrak vol.2 pg.615; Dalaailun-Nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.5 pg.489; al-Mu’jamus saghir of Imaam Tabrani vol.2 pg.82)

The status of this narration has been extensively disputed by the various Muhadditheen. Some have accepted it to be authentic and others rejected it. However, there is another narration that supports this narration recorded by Imaam Abul-Hasan ibn Bishraan [ra] on the authority of Sayyidatuna Maysarah [radhiallaahu anha]. The chain of narrators for this Hadith is totally different from the previous one. And in fact, Hafiz ibn Hajar [ra] has stated concerning a completely different narration which has the very same chain of narrators, that this chain of narrators is strong. (al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen pgs.138-139; al-Ahaadeethul Muntaqaa pg.14, both of Shaykh Abdullah Siddique al-Ghumarie). These narrations have all proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this form of Tawassul is permissible and was widely practised as well.

Hereunder follows a list of some of the many illustrious Ulama of the past who had practised upon Tawassul through the rank of the pious, deceased or alive:

1. Imaam Hasan ibn Ibrahim al-Hallal [ra] has stated that whenever he had any urgent need, he would go to the grave of Imaam Moosa ibn Ja’far [ra] and make Tawassul through him. Allah Ta’ala would fulfil his need. (refer Taarikh Baghdaad)

2. Imaam Shaafi’ee [ra] would make Tawassul at the grave of Imaam Abu Hanifa [ra]. (Taarikh Baghdaad). Allaamah al-Kawthari has classified this incident as authentic. (Maqaalaatul Kawthari pg.381)

3. Allaamah Taajuddeen al-Subki [ra] has mentioned that the people would go to the grave of Imaam ibn Foorak(ra), the teacher of Imaam Bayhaqi [ra] and make Du’aa and their Du’aas would get accepted.

4. Hafiz Al-Zarkashi [ra] has made Tawassul in the introduction to his commentary to Sahih al-Bukhari entitled, ‘al-Tanqeeh’.

5. Hafiz Taqi-u-ddin al-Subki [ra], the father of Taajuddin al-Subki [ra], has approved of this firm of Tawassul and he has written a detailed treatise on this topic. (See his book: Shifaa-u-Siqaam pgs.293-318)

6. Allamah Nawawi [ra] has mentioned that from among the etiquettes of visiting the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] one should make Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] to Allah Ta’ala to accept his Du’aas. Thereafter, Allamah Nawawi states, ‘…and one of the best things that one should do is what has been related by Allaamah al-Mawardi [ra], al-Qaadhi Abu Teeb [ra] and all our Ulama and they have all regarded it as commendable, and that is the incident of Imaam al-Utabi [ra] that he said, ‘I was once seated by the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], when a Bedouin came and said, ‘Peace be upon you, oh, Messenger of Allah. O Messenger of Allah, I have heard Almighty Allah say in the Qur’aan “And if they, when they had been unjust to themselves, had come to you (Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and begged Allah’s forgiveness and the messenger had begged forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah All-Forgiving. Most merciful.(Al-Nisaa:64) hence, I have come to you in a state that I seek forgiveness of my sins by seeking your intercession by my Lord’, thereafter he recited a few couplets and departed. Imaam al-Utabi [ra] states, ‘I then fell asleep and I saw Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] instructing me by the words, ‘O Utabi, go to that Bedouin and give him the glad tidings that Almighty Allah has forgiven him.’ (Refer al-Majmoo vol.8 pg.456 – Cairo and Manaasikul-Imaam-Al-Nawawi pg.498-499 Maktabah Salafia). This incident has been related by many Ulama in their respective compilations. Some of them are: Haafiz Ibn-Katheer in his Tafseer, Allamah Abu-Muhammad ibn Qudaamah in Al-Mughni vol.3 pg.556, Imaam Abul-Faraj in Al-Sharhul-Kabeervol.3 pg.495, etc.)

7. Imaam Ahmad bin Hambal(RA) has also encouraged making Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] in ones duas. (Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140, Also see Mafaaheem pg.137)

8. Haafiz Shamsud-Deen Al-Sakhawi (RA), the grand student of Haafiz ibn Hajr Al-Asqalaani(RA) made Tawassul on many occasions through Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] in his books, see for example Al-Tuhfatul-Lateefah vol.1 pg.3, 17; al-Ibtihaaj bi azkaaril musaafiril haaj

9. Allamah Muhammad ibn-ul-Jazri(RA) the famous Muhaddith and Master of Qira’aat has mentioned that from amongst the Aadaab etiquettes of dua is that one makes Tawassul with the Ambiyaa and the pious ones.(Al-Hisnul Haseen)

10. Imaam Al-Shawkaani Al-Salafi(RA) has also permitted Tawassul. (Tuhfatu-Zaakireen pg.50)

These are ten Different types of Ulama (i.e. some are Fuqahaa, some Muhadditheen and some are Qurraa). All have either practised on Tawassul or at least permitted it. And the list could go on….(refer to Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.378-397). After contemplating on all that was mentioned above, any person with sound intelligence would believe without a shadow of doubt in the permissibility of this form of Tawassul.

More so when one realizes that this remained the practise of the Ummah for centuries. Allamah Taqee-ud-Deen Al-Subki(RA) and other Muhadditheen have stated that Haafiz Ibn-Taimiyyah(RA) – who passed away in the year 728 Hijri - was the first to refute the permissibility of this form of Tawassul (Shifaa-us-Siqaam pg.293) In fact, Abu-Abdillah Al-Tilmisani Al-Maaliki(RA) (a renown scholar of the 7th century) has written a book concerning how this remained the practise of the entire Ummah since its existence. (Refer Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.397)

Lastly, we would like to draw your attention to the fact that the above permissibility is in regard to one who asks Allah Ta’ala for a particular need and in doing so, he uses some honourable personality as his Waseela (means) without thinking or believing that the person is being supplicated to or that he will fulfil his need. Yes, if one asks directly from the deceased and he believes that the Anbiyaa [alayhimus salaam] and the pious [rahimahumullah] independently possess the power to provide, then this would be Shirk (polytheism) because he is now ascribing partners to Allah in the quality of ‘Providing’.

Many contemporaries have mixed both these forms up; a) asking directly from the deceased and, b) asking Allah Alone, through the medium of some deceased) and have passed one ruling of Shirk for both forms. This is clearly a gross oversight on their path.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
 

Cheeko

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

In some cases ignorance is Blessing
Incomplete knowledge is Evil
and denying knowledge is Devilish Act

Once again I will like you to have some more knowledge on the topic


Thanks for this video and it tells the two faces of dead Israr. The video which shown by me he tells that no intercession on qayamat but I tell Hadees which makes him wrong. Now you tell that he telling intercession so difference is clear that he is two face.

O you who have believed, spend from that which We have provided for you before there comes a Day in which there is no exchange and no friendship and no intercession. And the disbelievers - they are the wrongdoers [2:254]

Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]



Dead Israr also tell in Samars video that Mawlid is wrong but I told in my last posts that Mawlid is right. Again dead Israr wrong.
 
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atensari

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Thanks for this video and it tells the two faces of dead Israr. The video which shown by me he tells that no intercession on qayamat but I tell Hadees which makes him wrong. Now you tell that he telling intercession so difference is clear that he is two face.

Actually you are accusing Quran Majeed, at some places Shafat is categorically denied and some place conditional acceptance. He is just translating according to the context.

  1. Create a list of Ayats where Shafat is mentioned
  2. Categorize how many times denied and how many times conditional acceptance
 

Cheeko

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Actually you are accusing Quran Majeed, at some places Shafat is categorically denied and some place conditional acceptance. He is just translating according to the context.

  1. Create a list of Ayats where Shafat is mentioned
  2. Categorize how many times denied and how many times conditional acceptance


Whole Quran has to be followed and not selective. In Quran it is told that intercession is not allowed except whom Allah wills. This mean that Allah wills intercession in some exceptions. You are now telling illogic that how many Ayats tell what. I am pity on you.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Every one should pray for forgiveness of dead Israr. He did many sins by telling wrong things.
 

Night-Hawk

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

ایک مسلمان جس طرح خدا کی بندگی کا عہد کرتا ہے اس کو عام زندگی میں دہراتا ہے پھر نماز میں بار بار اسی عہد کی تکرار کرتا ہے لیکن ضروری نہیں ہوتا کہ اس کے ان اعمال سے اسکے دل میں واقعی خدا کا خوف پیدا ہو جاۓ یا یہ کہ وہ ریا کاری اور منافقت سے کام نا لے ٹھیک اسی طرح نبی pbuh سے محبّت کے دعویدار بھی نبی سے محبّت کے اظہار کو اپنے ایمان کا حصہ سمجھتے ہیں تو یہ ممکن ہو سکتا ہے کہ ان میں سے ایک طبقے کے لوگوں میں حب رسول پیدا نا ہو لیکن اس طرح کسی گروہ کے بارے میں اپنے خیالات کو 'جیرنلایز' کرنا مرے خیال میں بلکل مناسب نہیں اور خاص طور پر انکے خلاف 'جہاد' کے لیے اکسانا تو قابل مذمّت ہے -- ڈاکٹر اسرار جیسے دانشور اتحاد بین المسلمین کے داعی سکالر سے میں اس کی توقع نہیں رکھتا تھا --- اگر وہ احناف کے ایک فرقہ کے بارے میں اتنے شدید جذبات رکھتے ہیں تو اہل تشیع کے بارے میں کیا خیال رکھتے ہوں گے اس کا تو تصور بھی نہیں کیا جا سکتا

ہمارا ملک بد قسمتی سے پہلے ہی لسانی نسلی اور شیعہ سنی تعصب کی بھینٹ چڑھ رہا ہے اور سونے پہ سوھاگہ یہ ہو گا کہ اسی فیصد سنی آبادی بھی آپس میں لڑ پڑے تا کہ گرتی ہوئی دیوار کو ایک آخری دھکّا لگے -- میں پہلے ہی لکھ چکا ہوں کہ چند 'گورے' بریلوی اور دیوبندی قیادت سے ملتے ہوے دیکھے گئے ہیں یہ کسی طوفان کا پیش خیمہ ہو سکتا ہے --- یہی فرقہ واریت کی گولی عراقیوں کے لیے بھی زہر قاتل ثابت ہوئی

ڈاکٹر اسرار ایک مشہور دینی سکالر اور دانشور ہونے کے باوجود بہرحال معصوم عن الخطاء نہیں تھے آپ کو یاد ہو گا کہ حضرت علی کرم اللہ وجہ سے متعلق ایک غلط بیان پر انکو معافی بھی مانگنا پڑی تھی اس لیے انکے متنازعہ خیالات اور نظریات کو بھی عین ایمان سمجھ کے دوسروں پر ٹھونسنا نہیں چاہئیے --- کیونکہ متنازعہ اور متصادم نظریات پر بحث شروع ہو گئی تو مرے اور آپ کے کونٹرول میں نہیں رہے گی اور موڈریٹر کو 'جمپ ان' کرنا پڑے گا

نوٹ: اللہ تعالیٰ ڈاکٹر اسرار مرحوم کی مغفرت کرے --- ثمر بھائی آپکو یہ ویڈیو شیر نہیں کرنا چاہئیے تھا
 
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Bret Hawk

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

One of the great Mujadid (Reformer) and an influential Naqshbandi Sufi of Islam Imam e Rabbani Shaikh Ahmad Al Faruqi Al Sirhindi (d. 1624) mentioned about his deep respect and honour for a gigantic Mujadid of his own times Shaikh ul Islam Muhaiyuddin Ibn Arabi (d. 1240) in one of his letters which were later compiled and titled as Maktubat E Ahmadiyya in such words;

I in my rank do not even comes closer to the stature of Shaikh’s (Ibn Arabi) slaves but do present my dissenting views with all due respect and decorum in relation to the Shaikh’s advocacy and support of Pantheism (Wahdat ul Wajood) in these words…”.

Such and many other great exemplary legacies have been left by our supremely pious, humble, highly restrained and respectful spiritual forefathers when it used to come to their disputes related in the domain of different academic disciplines. And by viewing the trajectory of tone & tenor of some of the respondents of this thread it proves to me at least about our Muslim brethren’s overall deplorable state of affairs. Which also indicates that where we as a majority stands when it comes to the polemics and argumentative issues related to few aspects of our Deen.

Dr Israr was an icon of Muslim Ummah, in fact he was one of the very best the Muslim world has ever seen in the last hundred odd years. I think we should have the courtesy and due respect reserve for such great personalities of Ummah even if we have some ideological, theological and epistemological differences with them. We should learn to differ with our benefactor true scholars with all due respect and honour because it doesn’t cost us too much and never prove (Even) an ounce of credence to our rhetoric and rants related to the matters of Deen e Islam and its related exalted principles and personalities.
 

Raaz

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جی بھائی، شفاعت سے انکار نہیں ہے، اور اپنے اعمال پر گھمنڈ بھی نہیں، الله کی رحمت کی امید ضرور ہے. جس طرح غیر الله کا علم و اختیار محدود ہے، اسی طرح کون شفاعت کرے گا اور کس کی کرے گا محدود ہے.
انکار بہشتی دروازے کا ہے، اس اعتقاد کا ہے کہ ٢٩ دن دودھ میں پانی ملاؤ اور تیسویں دن مزار پر چڑھا دو، نماز نہیں پڑھنی, بزرگ کی تعلیمات پر عمل نہیں کرنا لیکن ہفتہ وار/ماہانہ حاضری ضرور دینی ہے. کس گمان میں؟

This is Indian Islam.
The latest form is American Islam. in which nudity is ok. and extramarital affairs r ok.
Taqwa is very rear now a days.
 

atensari

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Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Mughal1,
few things: let us make the post as brief and concise as possible. Where necessary we can give references but not
please long posts. There is substantial and fundamental difference between your and mine approach to the concept of
Shirk:
a) You are tying all quranic verses about shirt to Idols (Buths), whereas for me they apply to everywhere and in
everytime and to everyone including Idols;
b) Your point of view is that once a person confess or profess that he/she is Muslim, cannot be idolater, whereas
mine point is that it can be as is proven by Quran which you do not wish to accept or wish to twist it according
to your own way;

c) In a way you are restricting the verses with "That time of Idolaters", whereas I am pointing that these are
valid for every time;

d) your point of view is that "Doonallah" are only "Idols" (to whom only Mushraykeen worship as God), for
me doonallah include everything which definitely include humans, peers, faqirs saints etc etc. etc. etc.

e) Our foremost and major difference is on 12/106. You explain please what you mean by "Youmain billah"
in that verse. You completely ignore that portion of the verse. That verse is not talking about anything but about
people who claim to be believers of Allah!
f) Your point of view is that once a person as said Kalima he is in the saff of Muslim and he cannot be
a Mushrik, Mine point of view is that irrespective of this, if he calls/worship anyone or anything, he is Mushrik.

Thank you dear brother for your kind response.

What makes me apply all mindoonillah verse to idols are the following points.

a)That mindoonillah are fuel for hell fire along their followers ie worshippers.

b)That the quran in its detailing verse clearly tells us it talking about idols and idol woshippers by describing the idols and their worshippers in detail.

c)Definition of atheism, monotheism and polytheism is clear beyond any doubt between all human beings and is taught and understood internationally. This means the quran will be wrong if did not accept rules of judgement that are common between humanity and used in all courts of law world wide. This is why the quran calls on people to come and discuss things on basis of commonly accepted ground and wisdom. It is of vital importance to realise the fact that things are not true simply because they are in a holy book but because they are sensible. Hoy books are only dependable regard their claims beyond human verifications but also on the basis of what can be verified.

In other words a scripture is only accepted true regarding hereafter if it also makes sense regarding things we can verify for ourselves regarding this world. If the quran proves to be wrong about things we can see are wrong in the quran then we will be silly to accept it as proof for hereafter. In other words if I am lying to you about things you already know then would you be sensible to trust me on thing you do not know and can never know?

This is why the prophet first had trust of people and then came out and asked if they trusted him before asking them to believe about other things that they could not know.

This is why we cannot have our independnent translations of quranic verses as we please.

As for 12/106, I am very sure that it is about idols and idol worshippers because it is they who used to believe allah as well as other idol gods with allah. In makkah people did not take each other as gods I hope you are aware. Surah yousuf was revealed in makkah and obviously muslims were not many nor did they worship each other as gods.

d)If you study tafaseer of ulema of ahlassunnah, ahlal tashee, brelavies, deobandies. You will see all of them having the very same definition of tawheed and shirk. The only people differed and went their own way were like muhammad ismail dehlavi, muhammad bin abdul wahab, shaikh ibn qayyam, shaikh ibn taymiya etc. They were opposed by many scholars of their time when they redefined kufar, shirk and towheed. Please read about them and see how they became isolated in the ummah for their such views, may allah have mercy on all of muslims.

I am anti sectism but that does not mean accepting or rejecting each and every belief of others as defined by them rather if a scholar is right and backed up by proof then that person or sect is correct only in that belief not all the beliefs. However it is very likely that if one is wrong in defintions of towheed, kufar and shirk then one is likely to be wrong on many other things as well.



As for your claim that I am sticking mindoonillah verses on idols for that time, that is not correct because I am defining the very concept itself regardless of time and place. In other words I am defining the very concepts of towheed=monotheisim, shirk=polytheism and mulhidiyat=atheisim. It is constant definition of things as explained ie definition of one god remains definition of one god always no matter what and like wise definition of multigods remains so. There cannot be any change in these concepts regardless whoever waht to change them. This is why tamiyaism failed qaiyamism failed, wahabism failed because they tried to tinker with defintions of concepts of towheed and shirk.

This very clearly shows who was responsble for divisions in the ummah on basis of concept of towheed and shirk. So it better that people who define these concepts wrongly give up those silly and confusing as well as self defeating definitions these terms.

This is the very reason that when such people call other muslims mushrikoon they get reply in form of kafiroon so where is sense in that? This is simply a nonsensical quarrel in the muslim household that must be stopped for sake of commonsense and unity.

You asked for my agenda in an earlier post, it is unity amongst muslims primarily and amongst all human being secondarily. This I hope is your agenda as well and of all participing on this forum.

Islam is wisdom so let us be all sensible and wise.

regards and all the best



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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Well, friends it is very important to give due respect to all schoars of islam regardless of their sect or even to scholars of other religions because Allah teaches us not to say abusive things even for the idols of polytheists. Arguments based on evidence is the only way to put across your points.

It is saying that BAA ADAB BA NASEEB aur BE ADAB BE NASEEB.

As for things or actions being lawful or unlawful or obligary. The rule is that all is lawful unless something is made unlawful or obligatory and proof is only needed when one claims some thing is unlawful or obligatory.

On this basis milaad is neither obligatory nor unlawful. So it is upto people to celebrate it or not to celebrate it. However when one does anything lawful then ensure that one does it lawfully. It is important in islam to do the right thing rightly.

As for dr israr encouraing violence, he did the wrong thing but we must accept that not everything any scholar says is 100% islam. This is why I explained the rules as to how to judge what is right or wrong. If we are told the right thing fine otherwise we should be sensible enough to not to act on wrong things regardless who is telling us. Only allah's word is perfect and even so called hadith may not be true so please ensure before you take your step in form of word or deed. It is no use blaming others for our own stupidies.


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50607-Pakistan-religion-secularism-amp-tribalism&


regards and all the best.
 
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nasir ahmed

Voter (50+ posts)
guys we must understand this the wahabis grand father Ibn Taymiyyah in his book on tauheed but kuffar fatwa on Abullah ibn umar(ra) (Hazrat umar son (ra) and on Hazrat Aisha (ra) mother of the believers and on Hazrat Ali (ra). These are the people who are Guaranteed paradise in surah fateh and surah towbah. So what do we expect from these people also Abdul wahab Nadji said that islam had ceased to exist for 600 years and he had revived it. So that means the Sahaba who give us islam did not know how to practice it when they were taught by the Prophey (saw). If it didnt make you cry it would make you laugh I would rather be on the side of the sahaba and the mother of the believers on the day of judgement.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For those who believe that Muslims can not involve in SHIRK, please read the following Hadeeth from sahih Muslim:

Malik al-Ashja'i reported: We, nine, eight or seven men, were in the company of the Messenger of Allah pbuh and he pbuh said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah? -while we had recently pledged allegiance. So we said: Messenger of Allah pbuh, we have already pledged allegiance to you pbuh. He pbuh again said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah? And we said: Messenger of Allah pbuh, we have already pledged allegiance to you. He again said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah pbuh? We stretched our hands and said: Messenger of Allah pbuh. we have already pledged allegiance to you. Now tell (on what things) should we pledge allegiance to you. He pbuh said I (You must pledge allegiance) that you would worship Allah only and would not associate with Him anything, (and observe) five prayers, and obey- (and he said one thing in an undertone) -that you would not beg people of anything. (And as a consequence of that) I saw that some of these people did not ask anyone to pick up the whip for them if it fell down. (Sahih Muslim Book #005, Hadith #2270)[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.


Every one should pray for forgiveness of dead Israr. He did many sins by telling wrong things.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: A renowned scholar provoking people to attack Milaad events.

Guys don't worry. He has already reached the destination. Hamul naraya( the bottom of hell) so to be followed by his followers.
 

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