What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

The end result of the whole debate is as follows:

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. This concept is similar to Christianity, as per Christian's believe:

"
Christian theology and evangelism centers on the "good news" that Christ's death and resurrection opened up the way for salvation. The last article explored what Christians are saved from - sin, suffering, death and hell." source: http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/salvation.htm

Whereas, it is very clear from Quraan and Hadith that if someone commits SHIRK he/she will neither get any Shafaaat nor
will he/she enter Paradise.

May Allah give them hidayat before Muslims busy in committing SHIRK die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)

 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
24 Pages......If I have not read it but you must have:
You can't answer a simple question!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very strange..........................after so much debate of 24 pages you can't answer simple question!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's shame, isn't it????????
You don't even know what to read in Namaz Janaza for Little Ones!
It's......................I reserve my comments!

Late Arrival andhay ko andheray mein boht dohoor kee sooji.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

The end result of the whole debate is as follows:

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. This concept is similar to Christianity, as per Christian's believe:

"
Christian theology and evangelism centers on the "good news" that Christ's death and resurrection opened up the way for salvation. The last article explored what Christians are saved from - sin, suffering, death and hell." source: http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/salvation.htm

Whereas, it is very clear from Quraan and Hadith that if someone commits SHIRK he/she will neither get any Shafaaat nor
will he/she enter Paradise.

May Allah give them hidayat before Muslims busy in committing SHIRK die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)


Concept is similar to christianity!!!!!!!!!

Now Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEkT_IZx_Y

"WE MUSLIMS ARE MORE CHRISTIAN THAN CHRISTIAN THEMSELVES" @ 6:50/7:14

What would you call Dr. Zakir Nayak who openly saying we follow teachings of Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!

While End.........It's still yet to come

Abhi to Aaghaz e Mohabbat Hai Meri Jaan!
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bhar do Jholi Meri Ya Muhammadبھر دے جھولی میری یا محمّد کہنا شرک ہے



It is not permissible to call on the Prophet
(صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)in du’aa’ after his death, because du’aa’ is an act of worship that can only be directed to Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

وَأَنَّ الْمَسَاجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا مَعَ اللَّهِ أَحَدًا
Surah al-Jinn 72:18: "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah.
اوربے شک مسجدیں الله کے لیے ہیں پس تم الله کے ساتھ کسی کو نہ پکارو

وَمَنْ أَضَلُّ مِمَّن يَدْعُو مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ مَن لَّا يَسْتَجِيبُ لَهُ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَهُمْ عَن دُعَائِهِمْ غَافِلُونَ
Qur'aan, al-Ahqaaf 46:5And who is more astray than one who invokes besides Allah, such as will not answer him to the Day of Judgment, and who (in fact) are unconscious of their call (to them)?
اور اس سے بڑھ کر کون گمراہ ہے جو الله کےسوا اسےپکارتا ہے جو قیامت تک اس کے پکارنے کا جواب نہ دے سکے اور انہیں ان کے پکارنے کی خبر بھی نہ ہو

And the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said to Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him): “If you ask, then ask of Allaah, and if you seek help then seek help from Allaah.” [Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2516) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi.]


Du’aa’ is asking for benefit and asking for harm to be warded off, and it is not only done by saying Yaa (O…), rather it has become customary among people to use this call in du’aa’, especially when hardship comes and calamity strikes, so they say Ya Allaah, meaning O Allaah, save us, give us help, support us.

This is the action of monotheists (believers in Tawheed) who do not call upon anyone other than Allaah. As for those who worship graves and tombs, they call upon their “saints” and revered ones, saying Ya Badawi, Ya Rifaa’i, Ya Jilaani, and what they mean is, O Badawi, help us, come to our aid, save us.

And some of them say: Ya Rasool-Allaah, Ya Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), in this manner also. This is calling upon him, seeking his help and turning to him.

It is well known that this is one of the worst ways of going against the message that was brought by Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and the other Messengers, and that was revealed in the Books, namely the call to Tawheed and worshiping Allaah alone, and forsaking the worship of all others.

It is not acceptable in the religion of Islam, which Allaah has chosen as the religion for His slaves, to call upon anyone except Allaah, not any Prophet who was sent or any angel who is close to Him. Rather we are to call upon Him alone. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَـٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ
Qur’aan, al-Naml 27:62 Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
بھلا کون ہے جوبے قرار کی دعا قبول کرتا ہے اوربرائی کو دور کرتا ہے اور تمہیں زمین میں نائب بناتا ہے کیا الله کے ساتھ کوئی اور معبود بھی ہے تم بہت ہی کم سمجھتے ہو

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it shirk if someone says in any place on earth, Ya Muhammad Ya Rasool-Allaah, calling him?
He replied: Allaah has stated in His Holy Book and on the lips of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that worship is the right of Allaah alone and no one else has any share of it, and that du’aa’ is a kind of worship, so if a person says in any place on earth, Ya Rasool-Allaah, Ya Nabi Allaah or Ya Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), help me, or save me, or support me, or heal me, or support your ummah, or heal the sick Muslims, and guide their misguided ones and so on, then he is making him a partner with Allaah in worship. The same applies to those who do the same thing with regard to other Prophets, angels, awliya’ (“saints), jinn, idols or any other created beings, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ
Qur,aan al-Dhaariyaat 51:56 I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.
اور میں نے جن اور انسان کو بنایا ہے تو صرف اپنی بندگی کے لیے

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
Qur’aan al-Baqarah 2:21 O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;
اے لوگو اپنے رب کی عبادت کرو جس نے تمہیں پیدا کیا اور انہیں جو تم سے پہلے تھے تاکہ تم پرہیزگار ہو جاؤ
End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (2/453).


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:
Some people at times of hardship say Ya Muhammad or Ya ‘Ali or Ya Jilaani. What is the ruling on that?
He replied: If the intention is to call upon them and seek their help, then the person is a Mushrik in the sense of major shirk that puts one beyond the pale of Islam, and he must repent to Allaah and call upon Allaah alone, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَـٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ
Qur,aan al-Naml 27:62Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
بھلا کون ہے جوبے قرار کی دعا قبول کرتا ہے اوربرائی کو دور کرتا ہے اور تمہیں زمین میں نائب بناتا ہے کیا الله کے ساتھ کوئی اور معبود بھی ہے تم بہت ہی کم سمجھتے ہو

As well as being a Mushrik, he is also fooling himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
وَمَن يَرْغَبُ عَن مِّلَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِلَّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفْسَهُ ۚ وَلَقَدِ اصْطَفَيْنَاهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَإِنَّهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ
Qur,aan al-Baqarah 2:130 And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
اور کون ہے جو ملت ابراھیمی سے روگردانی کرے سوائے اس کے جو خود ہی احمق ہو اور ہم نے تو اسے دنیا میں بھی بزرگی دی تھی اور بے شک وہ آخرت میں بھی اچھے لوگوں میں سے ہوگا

وَمَنْ أَضَلُّ مِمَّن يَدْعُو مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ مَن لَّا يَسْتَجِيبُ لَهُ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَهُمْ عَن دُعَائِهِمْ غَافِلُونَ
Qur,aan al-Ahqaaf 46:5 And who is more astray than one who invokes besides Allah, such as will not answer him to the Day of Judgment, and who (in fact) are unconscious of their call (to them)?
اور اس سے بڑھ کر کون گمراہ ہے جو الله کےسوا اسےپکارتا ہے جو قیامت تک اس کے پکارنے کا جواب نہ دے سکے اور انہیں ان کے پکارنے کی خبر بھی نہ ہو

End quote from Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (2/133).

And Allaah knows best.

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/111019
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
@Pakistan9147,
Brother, This was all only in that time when 'MUSHRAYKEEN MECCA" USED TO DO
SHIRK. After that period, Shirk became non-existent in this world. Now you wait and
see cut n paste.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
@Pakistan9147,
Brother, This was all only in that time when 'MUSHRAYKEEN MECCA" USED TO DO
SHIRK. After that period, Shirk became non-existent in this world. Now you wait and
see cut n paste.

Wait and see for cut n paste stuff!!!!

Oh dude! Look just one post above, it's already been started by none other than your mate Pakistan1947!

Ab Batao Kon Andaha Hai!!!!

Lol
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Bhar do Jholi Meri Ya Muhammadبھر دے جھولی میری یا محمّد کہنا شرک ہ&#174



It is not permissible to call on the Prophet
(صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)in du’aa’ after his death, because du’aa’ is an act of worship that can only be directed to Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

وَأَنَّ الْمَسَاجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا مَعَ اللَّهِ أَحَدًا
Surah al-Jinn 72:18: "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah.
اوربے شک مسجدیں الله کے لیے ہیں پس تم الله کے ساتھ کسی کو نہ پکارو


وَمَنْ أَضَلُّ مِمَّن يَدْعُو مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ مَن لَّا يَسْتَجِيبُ لَهُ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَهُمْ عَن دُعَائِهِمْ غَافِلُونَ
Qur'aan, al-Ahqaaf 46:5And who is more astray than one who invokes besides Allah, such as will not answer him to the Day of Judgment, and who (in fact) are unconscious of their call (to them)?
اور اس سے بڑھ کر کون گمراہ ہے جو الله کےسوا اسےپکارتا ہے جو قیامت تک اس کے پکارنے کا جواب نہ دے سکے اور انہیں ان کے پکارنے کی خبر بھی نہ ہو

And the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said to Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him): “If you ask, then ask of Allaah, and if you seek help then seek help from Allaah.” [Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2516) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi.]


Du’aa’ is asking for benefit and asking for harm to be warded off, and it is not only done by saying Yaa (O…), rather it has become customary among people to use this call in du’aa’, especially when hardship comes and calamity strikes, so they say Ya Allaah, meaning O Allaah, save us, give us help, support us.

This is the action of monotheists (believers in Tawheed) who do not call upon anyone other than Allaah. As for those who worship graves and tombs, they call upon their “saints” and revered ones, saying Ya Badawi, Ya Rifaa’i, Ya Jilaani, and what they mean is, O Badawi, help us, come to our aid, save us.

And some of them say: Ya Rasool-Allaah, Ya Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), in this manner also. This is calling upon him, seeking his help and turning to him.

It is well known that this is one of the worst ways of going against the message that was brought by Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and the other Messengers, and that was revealed in the Books, namely the call to Tawheed and worshiping Allaah alone, and forsaking the worship of all others.

It is not acceptable in the religion of Islam, which Allaah has chosen as the religion for His slaves, to call upon anyone except Allaah, not any Prophet who was sent or any angel who is close to Him. Rather we are to call upon Him alone. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَـٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ
Qur’aan, al-Naml 27:62 Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
بھلا کون ہے جوبے قرار کی دعا قبول کرتا ہے اوربرائی کو دور کرتا ہے اور تمہیں زمین میں نائب بناتا ہے کیا الله کے ساتھ کوئی اور معبود بھی ہے تم بہت ہی کم سمجھتے ہو

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it shirk if someone says in any place on earth, Ya Muhammad Ya Rasool-Allaah, calling him?
He replied: Allaah has stated in His Holy Book and on the lips of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that worship is the right of Allaah alone and no one else has any share of it, and that du’aa’ is a kind of worship, so if a person says in any place on earth, Ya Rasool-Allaah, Ya Nabi Allaah or Ya Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), help me, or save me, or support me, or heal me, or support your ummah, or heal the sick Muslims, and guide their misguided ones and so on, then he is making him a partner with Allaah in worship. The same applies to those who do the same thing with regard to other Prophets, angels, awliya’ (“saints), jinn, idols or any other created beings, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ
Qur,aan al-Dhaariyaat 51:56 I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.
اور میں نے جن اور انسان کو بنایا ہے تو صرف اپنی بندگی کے لیے


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
Qur’aan al-Baqarah 2:21 O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;

اے لوگو اپنے رب کی عبادت کرو جس نے تمہیں پیدا کیا اور انہیں جو تم سے پہلے تھے تاکہ تم پرہیزگار ہو جاؤ
End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (2/453).


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:
Some people at times of hardship say Ya Muhammad or Ya ‘Ali or Ya Jilaani. What is the ruling on that?
He replied: If the intention is to call upon them and seek their help, then the person is a Mushrik in the sense of major shirk that puts one beyond the pale of Islam, and he must repent to Allaah and call upon Allaah alone, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَـٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ
Qur,aan al-Naml 27:62Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
بھلا کون ہے جوبے قرار کی دعا قبول کرتا ہے اوربرائی کو دور کرتا ہے اور تمہیں زمین میں نائب بناتا ہے کیا الله کے ساتھ کوئی اور معبود بھی ہے تم بہت ہی کم سمجھتے ہو

As well as being a Mushrik, he is also fooling himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
وَمَن يَرْغَبُ عَن مِّلَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِلَّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفْسَهُ ۚ وَلَقَدِ اصْطَفَيْنَاهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَإِنَّهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ
Qur,aan al-Baqarah 2:130 And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
اور کون ہے جو ملت ابراھیمی سے روگردانی کرے سوائے اس کے جو خود ہی احمق ہو اور ہم نے تو اسے دنیا میں بھی بزرگی دی تھی اور بے شک وہ آخرت میں بھی اچھے لوگوں میں سے ہوگا


وَمَنْ أَضَلُّ مِمَّن يَدْعُو مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ مَن لَّا يَسْتَجِيبُ لَهُ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَهُمْ عَن دُعَائِهِمْ غَافِلُونَ
Qur,aan al-Ahqaaf 46:5 And who is more astray than one who invokes besides Allah, such as will not answer him to the Day of Judgment, and who (in fact) are unconscious of their call (to them)?

اور اس سے بڑھ کر کون گمراہ ہے جو الله کےسوا اسےپکارتا ہے جو قیامت تک اس کے پکارنے کا جواب نہ دے سکے اور انہیں ان کے پکارنے کی خبر بھی نہ ہو

End quote from Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (2/133).

And Allaah knows best.

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/111019

Oh Great, it means you have no answers for my questions!

No worries!

Lets start by taking one Ayah one time and analysing it.

Are you happy to do that?
 

concern_paki

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Always Ask for everything from only and only ALLAH .......... As He and only He can provide you or can make the resources of provision ...... ALWAYS SAY................YAL ALLAH MADAD .........SUBHAN ALLAH:jazak:
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Wait and see for cut n paste stuff!!!!
Oh dude! Look just one post above, it's already been started by none other than your mate Pakistan1947!
Ab Batao Kon Andaha Hai!!!!
Lol

Seems board boated you out. and you changed your identity. You seem to be
old wine in new bottle. If parent did not teach
you anything just learn from here. Look at your post Newbie. Mazar Parsti
Group may have given you new instructions that why you picked up an
arabic word "Jad" and started roaming around it.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Seems board boated you out. and you changed your identity. You seem to be
old wine in new bottle. If parent did not teach
you anything just learn from here. Look at your post Newbie. Mazar Parsti
Group may have given you new instructions that why you picked up an
arabic word "Jad" and started roaming around it.

Oh dude! I told you I can't speak Victorian English like you, how about learning that one!

At least you would do some PRAISEWORTHY piece of work!

Isn't it Sir?

If I picked JAD then what did you pick........SHIRK TO ROAM AROUND!

Isn't it Sir?

What's difference?

Is there any Sir?
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
ALL SHIRK AND 100 PERCENT SHIRK. PEOPLE WHO DO THIS ARE MUSHRIKS:
Why People are so afraid of being bracketed into Mushriks:
a) No one can marry with them.
b) They will not be allowed to enter into Khana Kaba. (Entry is ban as per quran).
c) They are impure;
d) Their entry into mosques and their own build mosques are of no value.
e) They are the worst creatures in the sight of Allah;
f) They will be in the Hell; Allah will not forgive them.
g) Their children even can disown them;
Therefore the strategy is that confuse the concept of Shrik as much as possible. Because
once the parameters of Shirk and Mushraykeen are defined and publicated as per
Quran, many will suffer.
May Allah save us from all kind of Shrik; as I said earlier: A Clear Example:
a) Allah grant me long life, health and happiness. (Perfect way to implore Allah only); (Toheed)
b) Allah grant me long life, health and happiness bywasillah Bari Imam, Ghaus alzam, Prophets etc etc (Indirect shirk)
c) Oh Giyarvee walay, oh Ghaus Alzam, Oh Panjtan, grant me long life, health and happiness (Direct and Absolute Shirk).

ALLAH DOES NOT LIKE THAT ANYTHING OR ANYTYPE OF SHIRK SHOULD BE MADE WITH HIM.
"MOST OF THE MANKIND BELIEVE IN ALLAH, BUT THEY COMMIT SHIRK ALSO"


للہ کے سوا کسی کو معبود ماننا
الله کے سوا کسی اور کو الله کے حکم اور مرضی کے بغیر مدد گار ماننا
الله کی صفات میں کسی کو الله کی طرح ہی کامل سمجھنا
یہ شرک ہے

مگر یہ ماننا کے الله نے اپنے بندوں کو مدد کرنے کا اختیار دیا ہے اور وہ الله کی مرضی سے مدد کرتے ہیں شرک نہیں


ANSWER this
ANY THING WRONG IN IT
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

The end result of the whole debate is as follows:

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. This concept is similar to Christianity, as per Christian's believe:

"
Christian theology and evangelism centers on the "good news" that Christ's death and resurrection opened up the way for salvation. The last article explored what Christians are saved from - sin, suffering, death and hell." source: http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/salvation.htm

Whereas, it is very clear from Quraan and Hadith that if someone commits SHIRK he/she will neither get any Shafaaat nor
will he/she enter Paradise.

May Allah give them hidayat before Muslims busy in committing SHIRK die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)



Narrated Anas: that the Prophet said, "For every prophet there is an invocation that surely will be responded by Allah[/SIZE]," (or said), "For every prophet there was an invocation with which he appealed to Allah, and his invocation was accepted (in his lifetime), but I kept my (this special) invocation to intercede for my followers on the Day of Resurrection." (Book #75, Hadith #317o)


And before bringing your point that NOT FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT SHIRK respond to my post about SHIRK
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dear basim, there is no surah alfatih in namaze janaaza.
Every namaz has surah fatiha and without surah fatiha namaz is naqis as per hadith of saheeh bukhari.......
see the following link with references at the last page that there is surah fatiha in namaz-e-janaza
http://islam40.blogspot.com/2010/01/namaz-janaza-ka-sunat-tareeqa-ahadees.html

I know a lot of ppl and web-sites (http://www.darululoomtt.org/fatwa_156.shtml) say if namaz-e-jinaza is like ordinary namaz then they should be rakoo and sajda etc.
Those who use such arguments, donot even let muktadi recite surah fatiha behind imam in normal namaz..........i have personally faced this situation by a hanfi imam.

Answer is simple brother, if the prophet (pbuh) did it and asked his followers to do it, we must do that and we should not try to confuse things with lame excuses as this is against our fikah or imam etc.
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

Concept is similar to christianity!!!!!!!!!

Now Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEkT_IZx_Y

"WE MUSLIMS ARE MORE CHRISTIAN THAN CHRISTIAN THEMSELVES" @ 6:50/7:14

What would you call Dr. Zakir Nayak who openly saying we follow teachings of Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!

While End.........It's still yet to come

Abhi to Aaghaz e Mohabbat Hai Meri Jaan!

Your this post with the link to Dr. Zakir Naik video......
I am sorry, it shows that you donot understand English if you do then you are so wrong assuming that no body understand English in this forum.......
How this video supports you argument in the post..................only a dumb will believe you.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

Your this post with the link to Dr. Zakir Naik video......
I am sorry, it shows that you donot understand English if you do then you are so wrong assuming that no body understand English in this forum.......
How this video supports you argument in the post..................only a dumb will believe you.

Your all posts with link to Shirk......

I am sorry, it shows that you don't understand QURAN if you do then you are so WRONG ASSUMING that no body understands QURAN in this forum.........

How come those Ayah support yours arguments........only a SUPER DUMB WILL BELIEVE YOU.

Am I right Sir??????????
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

Your all posts with link to Shirk......

I am sorry, it shows that you don't understand QURAN if you do then you are so WRONG ASSUMING that no body understands QURAN in this forum.........

How come those Ayah support yours arguments........only a SUPER DUMB WILL BELIEVE YOU.

Am I right Sir??????????
R u cheeko or his student?
Do i need to tell you the joke of a money and a caps seller, who is money...... and y i am mentioning this in reply to ur post......cheeko didn't understand this may be u do.........do u?
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

R u cheeko or his student?
Do i need to tell you the joke of a money and a caps seller, who is money...... and y i am mentioning this in reply to ur post......cheeko didn't understand this may be u do.........do u?

Woh Poochtay Hain Hum Say Kah Ghalib Kon Hai
Koi Batla Dey Inhain Kah Ham Batlain Kiya!!!!!!

Aray Deewano Mujhay Paichano......Kahan Say Aya Main Hoon Kon!!!!!!!!

Lol!!!!!!!!

FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU
FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME

You can't fool musilms twice by pasting Such Ayahs which are out of context and actually REVEALED FOR NON-MUSILMS.

Ca you do that?

Can you fool us again and again?
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
Following points:
a) the addressee are "Annas" (all people). When mode of address is to all mankind then in it, is included everyone
irrespective of creed, religion, nationality etc.
b) "Min Donnallah" means "anything" whatsoever and whichsoever it may be, including, humans, dead, living, statute
everything.

c) So apart from Allah, whosoever it may be is totally helpless no power whatsoever;

d) Manganay wala (seeker) and jis saay manga bee jaa raha hay( from whom it is sought), both are weak.

EVEN AFTER READING SUCH A CLEAR CUT VERSE, how people invoke others instead of Allah.
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Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
Following points:
a) the addressee are "Annas" (all people). When mode of address is to all mankind then in it, is included everyone
irrespective of creed, religion, nationality etc.
b) "Min Donnallah" means "anything" whatsoever and whichsoever it may be, including, humans, dead, living, statute
everything.

c) So apart from Allah, whosoever it may be is totally helpless no power whatsoever;

d) Manganay wala (seeker) and jis saay manga bee jaa raha hay( from whom it is sought), both are weak.

EVEN AFTER READING SUCH A CLEAR CUT VERSE, how people invoke others instead of Allah.
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Wow man that's great.....

MIN DONALLAH includes everyone without any exemption!!!!

Oh really dude!!!!!!

Surat Maryam, Ayat No. 19

[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّمَاۤ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اَنَا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَسُوۡلُ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَبِّکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]٭ۖ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لِاَہۡبَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لَکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]غُلٰمًا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]زَکِیًّا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]﴿۱۹﴾[/FONT]
بولا میں تیرے رب کا بھیجا ہوا ہوں کہ میں تجھے ایک ستھرا بیٹا دوں
I hope you understand Urdu otherwise you can search online to get English Transaltion of Ayat.
Points to consider in this Ayat are:
It was Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam who came in form of BASHAR.
We know that Hazrat Jibrail is an angel but it’s Quran who tells us He came in form of Bashar.
Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam said “I am Rasool”.
Further He said “Ahab Laka” meaning “Give You”, “Ghulaman” meaning here Son and “Zakaya” meaning “Pure”.
Pure in the sense He has no father so there could be doubts therefore Allah mentions Purity before sending Him to Earth.
BUT Hazrat Jibrail Aaih Salam is also AMONG Min Donallah THEN HOW COME He is giving Son to Hazrat Maryam Alaiha Salam when no one other has such powers except Allah!
It also clarifies one of your ABJECT objection “BABA SHAH JAMAL, PATAR DEY RATA LAAL”.
 

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