What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

[basim973]

Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

Woh Poochtay Hain Hum Say Kah Ghalib Kon Hai
Koi Batla Dey Inhain Kah Ham Batlain Kiya!!!!!!

Aray Deewano Mujhay Paichano......Kahan Say Aya Main Hoon Kon!!!!!!!!

Lol!!!!!!!!

FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU
FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME

You can't fool musilms twice by pasting Such Ayahs which are out of context and actually REVEALED FOR NON-MUSILMS.

Ca you do that?

Can you fool us again and again?

u c u didn't get that like cheeko!!

 

[Veila Mast]

Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

u c u didn't get that like cheeko!!

U c u didn't get that like Baba Be Deena!!

Lol!

 

[basim973]

Wow man that's great.....

MIN DONALLAH includes everyone without any exemption!!!!

Oh really dude!!!!!!

Surat Maryam, Ayat No. 19

[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّمَاۤ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اَنَا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَسُوۡلُ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَبِّکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]٭ۖ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لِاَہۡبَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لَکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]غُلٰمًا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]زَکِیًّا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]﴿۱۹﴾[/FONT] ​

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بولا میں تیرے رب کا بھیجا ہوا ہوں کہ میں تجھے ایک ستھرا بیٹا دوں

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I hope you understand Urdu otherwise you can search online to get English Transaltion of Ayat.
Points to consider in this Ayat are:
It was Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam who came in form of BASHAR.
We know that Hazrat Jibrail is an angel but it’s Quran who tells us He came in form of Bashar.
Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam said “I am Rasool”.
Further He said “Ahab Laka” meaning “Give You”, “Ghulaman” meaning here Son and “Zakaya” meaning “Pure”.
Pure in the sense He has no father so there could be doubts therefore Allah mentions Purity before sending Him to Earth.
BUT Hazrat Jibrail Aaih Salam is also AMONG Min Donallah THEN HOW COME He is giving Son to Hazrat Maryam Alaiha Salam when no one other has such powers except Allah!
It also clarifies one of your ABJECT objection “BABA SHAH JAMAL, PATAR DEY RATA LAAL”.

Get a studentship of a scholar of quran and hadith, a simple muslim without understanding of Arabic language can see what is the meaning of this ayah with the help of right authentic quran translation. Do u think Hazrat Jibrael can do any thing without the order of his Lord Allah (SWT)? Do u know the difference between a human, a jinn and an angel? Why r u tryin to create confusions when things are very clear cut and get yourself a Quran with right translation and tafsser.........many ppl have tried to change these two and to make things complicated rather than simpler.

 

[Veila Mast]

Get a studentship of a scholar of quran and hadith, a simple muslim without understanding of Arabic language can see what is the meaning of this ayah with the help of right authentic quran translation. Do u think Hazrat Jibrael can do any thing without the order of his Lord Allah (SWT)? Do u know the difference between a human, a jinn and an angel? Why r u tryin to create confusions when things are very clear cut and get yourself a Quran with right translation and tafsser.........many ppl have tried to change these two and to make things complicated rather than simpler.

Oh Man...Basim!

You are so nice, I never thought this issue will be sorted out in no time but you have made it easier to explain.

You asked: DO YOU THINK HAZRAT JIBRAEL CAN DO ANY THING WITH OUT ORDER OF HIS LORD (SWT)????

Answer: Absolutely Not, HE CAN'T DO ANY THING WITH OUT ORDER OF HIS LORD!

He did that with PERMISSION OF ALLAH.

That's what I believe AMBIYA, AULIYA etc CAN'T DO ANY THING WITH OUT PERMISSION OR ORDERS OF ALLAH BUT CAN DO ANY THING WITH PERMISSION OR ORDERS OF ALLAH.

By Any thing means ANY THING.

Now you have to prove ALLAH HAS NOT BLESSED THEM SUCH AUTHORITY.

(Please don't quote Ayats which says Allah can do any tasks, quote such Ayats which says Ambiya, Auliya etc are not BLESSED to do any task!

 

[Pakistani1947]

It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

Surat Maryam, Ayat No. 19

[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّمَاۤ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]اَنَا[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]رَسُوۡلُ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]رَبِّکِ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]٭ۖ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]لِاَہۡبَ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]لَکِ[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]غُلٰمًا[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]زَکِیًّا[/FONT][FONT=Quranic_Font]﴿۱۹﴾[/FONT]​

بولامیںتیرےربکابھیجاہواہوںکہمیںتجھےایکستھرابیٹادوں

Points to consider in this Ayat are:
It was Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam who came in form of BASHAR.
We know that Hazrat Jibrail is an angel but it’s Quran who tells us He came in form of Bashar.
Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam said “I am Rasool”.
Further He said “Ahab Laka” meaning “Give You”, “Ghulaman” meaning here Son and “Zakaya” meaning “Pure”.
Pure in the sense He has no father so there could be doubts therefore Allah mentions Purity before sending Him to Earth.
BUT Hazrat Jibrail Aaih Salam is also AMONG Min Donallah THEN HOW COME He is giving Son to Hazrat Maryam Alaiha Salam when no one other has such powers except Allah!
It also clarifies one of your ABJECT objection “BABA SHAH JAMAL, PATAR DEY RATA LAAL”.

It would be very dishonesty if someone concludes from the incident of birth of a son to Mariam (AS) that it was actually Angel Jibrail who bestowed Mariam with a son, not Allah (Nauzobillah). Neither we can conclude from following verses that one should ask angel Jabrail in his prayer to bestow him/her with a child. If somebody does, it would be pure SHIRK. Read the following verses again and it will be very clear that Angel Jibrail was send from Allah to give her good news of a son through a miracle. Angel Jibrail is in charge of conveying the orders of Allah to prophets by revelation, that ‘s all.

فَاتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًا فَأَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًا سَوِيًّا​

(Qur’aan, Sura Maryam, 19:17)​

Translation By Yusuf Ali: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
Translation By Shakir 17: So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man.
Translation By Pickthal 17: And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
Translation By Mohsin Khan: 17: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibril (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

پھر لوگوں کے سامنے سے پردہ ڈال لیا پھر ہم نے اس کے پاس اپنے فرشتے کو بھیجا پھر وہ اس کے سامنے پورا آدمی بن کر ظاہر ہوا​

قَالَتْ إِنِّي أَعُوذُ بِالرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّا​

(Qur’aan, Sura Maryam, 19:18)​

Translation By Yusuf Ali: She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
Translation By Shakir: She said: Surely I fly for refuge from you to the Beneficent Allah, if you are one guarding (against evil).
Translation By Pickthal: She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.
Translation By Mohsin Khan: She said: "Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah."

کہا بے شک میں تجھ سے الله کی پناہ مانگتی ہوں اگر تو پرہیزگار ہے​

قَالَ إِنَّمَا أَنَا رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَامًا زَكِيًّا​

(Qur’aan, Sura Maryam, 19:19)​

Translation By Yusuf Ali: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
Translation By Shakir: He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.
Translation By Pickthal : He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
Translation By Mohsin Khan: (The angel) said: "I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

کہا میں تو بس تیرے رب کا بھیجا ہوا ہوں تاکہ تجھے پاکیزہ لڑکا دوں​

قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا​

(Qur’aan, Sura Maryam, 19:20)​

Translation By Yusuf Ali: She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
Translation By Shakir: She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?
Translation By Pickthal: She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
Translation By Mohsin Khan: She said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?"

کہا میرے لیے لڑکا کہاں سے ہوگا حالانکہ مجھے کسی آدمی نے ہاتھ نہیں لگایا اور نہ میں بدکار ہوں​

قَالَ كَذَ*ٰلِكِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَيَّ هَيِّنٌ ۖ وَلِنَجْعَلَهُ آيَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحْمَةً مِّنَّا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرًا مَّقْضِيًّا​

(Qur’aan, Sura Maryam, 19:21​

Translation By Yusuf Ali: He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
Translation By Shakir: He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.
Translation By Pickthal: He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
Translation By Mohsin Khan: He said: "So (it will be), your Lord said: 'That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).' "

کہا ایسا ہی ہوگا تیرے رب نے کہا ہے وہ مجھ پر آسان ہے اور تاکہ ہم اسے لوگوں کے لیے نشانی اور اپنی طرف سے رحمت بنائیں اور یہ بات طے ہو چکی ہے​

قَالَ كَذَ*ٰلِكَ قَالَ رَبُّكَ هُوَ عَلَيَّ هَيِّنٌ وَقَدْ خَلَقْتُكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَلَمْ تَكُ شَيْئًا​

Translation by Yusuf Ali: He said: "So (it will be) thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: I did indeed create thee before, when thou hadst been nothing!'"

کہا ایسا ہی ہوگا تیرے رب نے کہاہے وہ مجھ پر آسان ہے اور میں نے تجھے اس سے پہلے پیدا کیا حالانکہ تو کوئی چیز نہ تھا​

Read the following verses of Sura Ash-Shura for further clarification:

لِّلَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۚ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ يَهَبُ لِمَن يَشَاءُ إِنَاثًا وَيَهَبُ لِمَن يَشَاءُ الذُّكُورَ​

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To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills (and plans). He bestows (children) male or female according to His Will (and Plan), (Qur’aan, Sura Ash-Shura, 42:49)

آسمانوں اور زمین میں الله ہی کی بادشاہی ہے جو چاہتا ہے پیدا کر تا ہے جسے چاہتا ہے لڑکیاں عطا کرتا ہے اور جسے چاہتا ہے لڑکے بخشتا ہے​

أَوْ يُزَوِّجُهُمْ ذُكْرَانًا وَإِنَاثًا ۖ وَيَجْعَلُ مَن يَشَاءُ عَقِيمًا ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ قَدِيرٌ​

Or He bestows both males and females, and He leaves barren whom He will: for He is full of Knowledge and Power. (Qur’aan, Sura Ash-Shura, 42:50)
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یا لڑکے اور لڑکیاں ملا کر دیتا ہے اور جسے چاہتا ہے بانجھ کر دیتا ہے بے شک وہ خبردار قدرت والا ہے

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وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِن وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ​

It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah.s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. (Qur’aan, Sura Ash-Shura, 42:51)

اور کسی انسان کا حق نہیں کہ اس سے الله کلام کر لے مگر بذریعہ وحی یا پردے کے پیچھے سے یا کوئی فرشتہ بھیج دے کہ وہ اس کے حکم سے القا کر لے جو چاہے بے شک وہ بڑاعالیشان حکمت والا ہے​

Allah Knows Best

 

[Veila Mast]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

It would be very dishonesty if someone concludes from the incident of birth of a son to Mariam (AS) that it was actually Angel Jibrail who bestowed Mariam with a son Allah (Nauzobillah). Neither we can can from following verses that one should ask angel Jabrail in his prayer to bestow him/her with a child. If somebody does, it would be pure SHIRK. Read the following verses again and it will be very clear that Angel Jibrail was send from Allah to give her good news of a son through a miracle. Angel Jibrail is in charge of conveying the orders of Allah to prophets by revelation, that ‘s all.


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وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِن وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ​

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It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah.s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. (Qur’aan, Sura Ash-Shura, 42:51)

اور کسی انسان کا حق نہیں کہ اس سے الله کلام کر لے مگر بذریعہ وحی یا پردے کے پیچھے سے یا کوئی فرشتہ بھیج دے کہ وہ اس کے حکم سے القا کر لے جو چاہے بے شک وہ بڑاعالیشان حکمت والا ہے​

Allah Knows Best

It would be very dishonesty if someone concludes from the incident of birth of ANY ONE that it was actually BABA SHAH JAMAL who bestowed them a son (Nauzobillah). Neither we can conclude from following verses that one should ask DIRCETLY BABA SHAH JAMAL in his prayer to bestow him/her with a child. If somebody does, it would be pure SHIRK. Read the ALL QURAN again and it will be very clear that people like BABA SHAHA JAMAL are there to announce good news of a child through a Karamat.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

people like BABA SHAHA JAMAL are there to announce good news of a child through a Karamat.

Quraan 10:28 One day shall We gather them all together. Then shall We say to those who joined gods (with Us): "To your place! ye and those ye joined as 'partners' We shall separate them, and their "Partners" shall say: "It was not us that ye worshipped!

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???????? ????????? ???????? ????????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ???? ????????????? ????????????​

Quraan 10:29 "Enough is Allah for a witness between us and you: we certainly knew nothing of your worship of us!"

?? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???

 

[Cheeko]

Re: Muslims in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat

R u cheeko or his student?

Looks like Cheeko has mesmerised you well enough that every sane man on this website appears Cheeko to you.

 

[Cheeko]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

Quraan 10:28 One day shall We gather them all together. Then shall We say to those who joined gods (with Us): "To your place! ye and those ye joined as 'partners' We shall separate them, and their "Partners" shall say: "It was not us that ye worshipped!

اور جس دن ہم ان سب کو جمع کرینگے پھر مشرکوں سے کہیں گے تم اور تمہارے شریک اپنی جگہ کھڑے رہو تو ہم ان میں پھوٹ ڈال دینگے اور ان کے شریک کہیں گے کہ تم ہماری عبادت نہیں کرتے تھے​

فَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ إِن كُنَّا عَنْ عِبَادَتِكُمْ لَغَافِلِينَ​

Quraan 10:29 "Enough is Allah for a witness between us and you: we certainly knew nothing of your worship of us!"

سو اللہ ہمارے اور تمہارے درمیان گواہ کافی ہے کہ ہمیں تمہاری عبادت کی خبر ہی نہ تھی​

These Ayaat are for those who worship other than Allah. Try for the zilionth time again dear.

 

[Cheeko]

Oh Man...Basim!

You are so nice, I never thought this issue will be sorted out in no time but you have made it easier to explain.

You asked: DO YOU THINK HAZRAT JIBRAEL CAN DO ANY THING WITH OUT ORDER OF HIS LORD (SWT)????

Answer: Absolutely Not, HE CAN'T DO ANY THING WITH OUT ORDER OF HIS LORD!

He did that with PERMISSION OF ALLAH.

That's what I believe AMBIYA, AULIYA etc CAN'T DO ANY THING WITH OUT PERMISSION OR ORDERS OF ALLAH BUT CAN DO ANY THING WITH PERMISSION OR ORDERS OF ALLAH.

By Any thing means ANY THING.

Now you have to prove ALLAH HAS NOT BLESSED THEM SUCH AUTHORITY.

(Please don't quote Ayats which says Allah can do any tasks, quote such Ayats which says Ambiya, Auliya etc are not BLESSED to do any task!

Smashing reply in a sweet way brother

 

[Veila Mast]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

Quraan 10:28 One day shall We gather them all together. Then shall We say to those who joined gods (with Us): "To your place! ye and those ye joined as 'partners' We shall separate them, and their "Partners" shall say: "It was not us that ye worshipped!

اور جس دن ہم ان سب کو جمع کرینگے پھر مشرکوں سے کہیں گے تم اور تمہارے شریک اپنی جگہ کھڑے رہو تو ہم ان میں پھوٹ ڈال دینگے اور ان کے شریک کہیں گے کہ تم ہماری عبادت نہیں کرتے تھے​

فَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ إِن كُنَّا عَنْ عِبَادَتِكُمْ لَغَافِلِينَ​

Quraan 10:29 "Enough is Allah for a witness between us and you: we certainly knew nothing of your worship of us!"

سو اللہ ہمارے اور تمہارے درمیان گواہ کافی ہے کہ ہمیں تمہاری عبادت کی خبر ہی نہ تھی​

Are you accosting me while pasting these Ayats?


How come you differ saying of Syedi Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam:


Volume 8, Book 76, Number 434:


Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir:

The Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayer for the martyrs of the (battle of) Uhud and then ascended the pulpit and said, "I am your predecessor and I am a witness against you. By Allah, I am now looking at my Tank-lake (Al-Kauthar) and I have been given the keys of the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that after me you will worship others besides Allah, but I am afraid that you will start competing for (the pleasures of) this world."

At least sigh of relief as Syedi Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam has predicted that His Ummah won’t do Shirk!

Now read another:

Book of Asking apostates and those who separate themselves in obstinate rebellion to repent and fighting them

Killing Kharijites and heretics* after proof is established against them

The words of Allah Almighty, "Allah would never misguide a people after guiding them until He had made it clear to them how to have taqwa." (9:115) Ibn 'Umar used to consider them to be the worst of Allah's creation. He said, "They took verses which were revealed about the unbelievers and then applied them to the believers."

 

[Abdul Allah]

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ۚ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{73**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 22:73] O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 22:73] O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 22:73] O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
Following points:
a) the addressee are "Annas" (all people). When mode of address is to all mankind then in it, is included everyone
irrespective of creed, religion, nationality etc.
b) "Min Donnallah" means "anything" whatsoever and whichsoever it may be, including, humans, dead, living, statute
everything.

c) So apart from Allah, whosoever it may be is totally helpless no power whatsoever;

d) Manganay wala (seeker) and jis saay manga bee jaa raha hay( from whom it is sought), both are weak.

EVEN AFTER READING SUCH A CLEAR CUT VERSE, how people invoke others instead of Allah.
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You did not read this Ayath ?? that come before the Ayath you send
(71. And they WORSHIP besides Allah others for which He has sent down no authority, and of which they have no knowledge; and for the wrongdoers there is no helper.)

and no answer yet for this.



للہ کے سوا کسی کو معبود ماننا
الله کے سوا کسی اور کو الله کے حکم اور مرضی کے بغیر مدد گار ماننا
الله کی صفات میں کسی کو الله کی طرح ہی کامل سمجھنا
یہ شرک ہے

مگر یہ ماننا کے الله نے اپنے بندوں کو مدد کرنے کا اختیار دیا ہے اور وہ الله کی مرضی سے مدد کرتے ہیں شرک نہیں

 

[Abdul Allah]

Every namaz has surah fatiha and without surah fatiha namaz is naqis as per hadith of saheeh bukhari.......
see the following link with references at the last page that there is surah fatiha in namaz-e-janaza
http://islam40.blogspot.com/2010/01/namaz-janaza-ka-sunat-tareeqa-ahadees.html

I know a lot of ppl and web-sites (http://www.darululoomtt.org/fatwa_156.shtml) say if namaz-e-jinaza is like ordinary namaz then they should be rakoo and sajda etc.
Those who use such arguments, donot even let muktadi recite surah fatiha behind imam in normal namaz..........i have personally faced this situation by a hanfi imam.

Answer is simple brother, if the prophet (pbuh) did it and asked his followers to do it, we must do that and we should not try to confuse things with lame excuses as this is against our fikah or imam etc.

Please Sura Fathiha in ever Rakat is not for the Prayers behind Imam

Read These Hadith

Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Nuaym Wahb ibn Kaysan that he heard Jabir ibn Abdullah say, "Someone who prays a raka without reciting the umm al-Qur'an in it has not done the prayer except behind an imam." (Book #3, Hadith #3.9.40)

Malik Muwatta
"Whoever catches the ruku has caught the sajda." (Book #1, Hadith #1.3.17)

There are enough to show us that Sura Fathia in ever Rakat is needed but not behind Imam

 

[babadeena]

Wow man that's great.....

MIN DONALLAH includes everyone without any exemption!!!!

Oh really dude!!!!!!

Surat Maryam, Ayat No. 19

[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّمَاۤ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]اَنَا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَسُوۡلُ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]رَبِّکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]٭ۖ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لِاَہۡبَ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]لَکِ[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]غُلٰمًا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]زَکِیًّا[/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]﴿۱۹﴾[/FONT] ​

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بولا میں تیرے رب کا بھیجا ہوا ہوں کہ میں تجھے ایک ستھرا بیٹا دوں

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I hope you understand Urdu otherwise you can search online to get English Transaltion of Ayat.
Points to consider in this Ayat are:
It was Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam who came in form of BASHAR.
We know that Hazrat Jibrail is an angel but it’s Quran who tells us He came in form of Bashar.
Hazrat Jibrail Alaih Salam said “I am Rasool”.
Further He said “Ahab Laka” meaning “Give You”, “Ghulaman” meaning here Son and “Zakaya” meaning “Pure”.
Pure in the sense He has no father so there could be doubts therefore Allah mentions Purity before sending Him to Earth.
BUT Hazrat Jibrail Aaih Salam is also AMONG Min Donallah THEN HOW COME He is giving Son to Hazrat Maryam Alaiha Salam when no one other has such powers except Allah!
It also clarifies one of your ABJECT objection “BABA SHAH JAMAL, PATAR DEY RATA LAAL”.

The extreme degree of "Ignorance", what you wish to convey by this.
BTW from where you got that "that angel" was Gabriel, do you have any proof,
Apart from "Gabriel", there are many other angels. Prove it that one who came
to Mariam was Gabriel.
The Angel was sent by Allah with a message. Tumari Aqal where it is, do
people pray/invoke/call angels so that you are, in response to my post, quoting
angel.

One thing now last I tell you, "Mind your language and selection of words",
I shall revert your words to your one place where it will be very difficult for you to
get them inside or throw them outside. I think you made this ID only to destroy the
thread.

 

[babadeena]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

وَيَوْمَ يَحْشُرُهُمْ وَمَا يَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَيَقُولُ أَأَنْتُمْ أَضْلَلْتُمْ عِبَادِي هَٰؤُلَاءِ أَمْ هُمْ ضَلُّوا السَّبِيلَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{17**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 25:17] And on the day when He will assemble them and that which they worship instead of Allah and will say: Was it ye who misled these my slaves or did they (themselves) wander from the way?[/SIZE]
قَالُوا سُبْحَانَكَ مَا كَانَ يَنْبَغِي لَنَا أَنْ نَتَّخِذَ مِنْ دُونِكَ مِنْ أَوْلِيَاءَ وَلَٰكِنْ مَتَّعْتَهُمْ وَآبَاءَهُمْ حَتَّىٰ نَسُوا الذِّكْرَ وَكَانُوا قَوْمًا بُورًا [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{18**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 25:18] They will say: Be Thou Glorified! it was not for us to choose any protecting friends beside thee; but Thou didst give them and their fathers ease till they forgot the warning and became lost folk.
The verses convey the following:
i) "Hum" in verse No.17 are those people who deny the Day of Judgement and are referred in Verse No.11.
ii) "They" in verse No.18 are those "Slaves of Allah" to whom such people used to worship during their life.
So it is amply clear that verses are not talking about "Bueht(sanam), statute", but about those pious people of Allah
to whom the people worshiped after their death. These Pious people are giving witness against such Mushriks.
before their Lord.

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Oh Mushraykeen you will be gathered into hell.
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[babadeena]

Re: It is SHIRK to believe that Angel Jibrail or any saint can bestow you with a son

THE QUESTIONS ARE, IF IT IS:

a) PERMISSIBLE TO INVOKE/PRAY TO DEAD AND VISIT THEIR SHRINES;

b) permissible to Invoke passed Prophets, Valis, Qutabs;

 

[hans]

To ALL Muslim Brothers and Sister .. Can I have the rights to all the above 24 pages on Shirk

One super collection and growing FAST!!!!! Keep it up, may be in a few month's time We could have two or three volume on this one topic.

 

[Veila Mast]

To ALL Muslim Brothers and Sister .. Can I have the rights to all the above 24 pages on Shirk

One super collection and growing FAST!!!!! Keep it up, may be in a few month's time We could have two or three volume on this one topic.

In Sha Allah Brother, don't you worry!

Lol!

 

[Veila Mast]

The extreme degree of "Ignorance", what you wish to convey by this.
BTW from where you got that "that angel" was Gabriel, do you have any proof,
Apart from "Gabriel", there are many other angels. Prove it that one who came
to Mariam was Gabriel.
The Angel was sent by Allah with a message. Tumari Aqal where it is, do
people pray/invoke/call angels so that you are, in response to my post, quoting
angel.

One thing now last I tell you, "Mind your language and selection of words",
I shall revert your words to your one place where it will be very difficult for you to
get them inside or throw them outside. I think you made this ID only to destroy the
thread.

Zoor Ka Jhatka........Haye Dheeray Se LAGA

Yah Post Ban Gaye, Aap Kay Poll Kholnay Ki WAJAH

Haan Wajah......Haye Wajah

"Mind Your Language"

LOl!!!!!

You reminded me a nice programme man!!!!

That's how you learnt "VICTORIAN ENGLISH DUDE"!

Now I got the secret.

 

[basim973]

Please Sura Fathiha in ever Rakat is not for the Prayers behind Imam

Read These Hadith

Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Nuaym Wahb ibn Kaysan that he heard Jabir ibn Abdullah say, "Someone who prays a raka without reciting the umm al-Qur'an in it has not done the prayer except behind an imam." (Book #3, Hadith #3.9.40)

Malik Muwatta
"Whoever catches the ruku has caught the sajda." (Book #1, Hadith #1.3.17)

There are enough to show us that Sura Fathia in ever Rakat is needed but not behind Imam

I am a simple muslim and i only want to follow the prophrt(pbuh) who's guarantee has been given by the Rab-ul-Alameen.

Ulmah of hadith rate saheeh bukhai as the top most book in the rating of all hadith books.

Following link gives the reference of the hadith (i am talking about) and also explains the health of hadith which says al-fatiha behind imam is not obligatory.

For me these references are enough.
Allah knows best