Why The West Craves Materialism and Why The East Sticks To Religion - by Imran Khan

[عؔلی خان]

My intention is not to offend people, it is only to point out factual errors. The point that the moon is split in half has no scientific basis is a factual statement and not an expression of personal opinion. There is nothing offensive or sacrilegious about what I said. I merely quoted your own religious text and pointed out the fact that it contradicts all evidence and the scientific understanding of the world around us. Now if you have evidence to the contrary then please present it and if it is valid I will change my position but please do not resort to bullying other people on the forum for an apology without a reason.

My intention is not to offend people, it is only to point out factual errors. The point that the moon is split in half has no scientific basis is a factual statement and not an expression of personal opinion. There is nothing offensive or sacrilegious about what I said. I merely quoted your own religious text and pointed out the fact that it contradicts all evidence and the scientific understanding of the world around us. Now if you have evidence to the contrary then please present it and if it is valid I will change my position but please do not resort to bullying other people on the forum for an apology without a reason.

If you are saying that the moon was at some point split in half and then merged together, then I along with 5 billion other humans have as much right to express our disbelief as you and 2 billion Muslims have a right to express your belief. You have a right to believe what ever you want but you do not have a right to force your belief on others and bully them for an apology if they do not hold the same beliefs as you do.

Let's not beat around the bush.

You have already mentioned what you believe.

I just couldn't care less nor it is my business whether you change your position or not.

The thing is that you keep on bullying the Muslims

- by coming here,
- posting sacrilegious comments about the Quran, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and more
- keep on posting your beliefs

and when someone asks you to apologize for your offensive and sacrilegious comments then you suddenly have the audacity to turn around and start whining that you are being bullied into apology.

It is clear by your comments that you don't like the Muslims, their beliefs their prophet and their book then why do you even bother to come here.

The only reason I can think of is bullying. Thus, your very presence on this forum is tantamount to bullying because you come here with an agenda.

 

[jani1]

My intention is not to offend people,.

Ur intention is pc of shit like U...
arnt u the moron who replied to Qurani Ayat by harry potter's shit..
u seems qadiani or atheist ...whoever n whtevr the fk u r...I suggest U better stop poking ur ugly nose here n thr...bfr someone shove it up ur s...

 

[Vitamin_C]

Well im here for a discussion. I already said I dont believe the moon was split in half. Its my right to believe what I want to believe and your right to believe what you want to believe. If you want to engage in a sober debate then parhaps present me evidence that shows the moon was split in half or admit that you do not have any evidence.

How not to engage in a sober debate is to get offended when someone expresses an opinion different than yours and start bulleying the other person for an apology for not agreeing with you. Why do you feel so entitled?

Grow up and learn to tolerate opinions that are different than yours. If you cant do that then why do you come to discussion forums? There are many Islamic sites where you will hear only one opinion... if words offend you then there is something very wrong with you as a person and you need to figure that out.

If you have no more value to add to this conversation but only to resort to bulleying rather than having a civilzed discussion then im done here. Your harrasment and bigotry will make no impression on me.

Let's not beat around the bush.

You have already mentioned what you believe.

I just couldn't care less nor it is my business whether you change your position or not.

The thing is that you keep on bullying the Muslims

- by coming here,
- posting sacrilegious comments about the Quran, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and more
- keep on posting your beliefs

and when someone asks you to apologize for your offensive and sacrilegious comments then you suddenly have the audacity to turn around and start whining that you are being bullied into apology.

It is clear by your comments that you don't like the Muslims, their beliefs their prophet and their book then why do you even bother to come here.

The only reason I can think of is bullying. Thus, your very presence on this forum is tantamount to bullying because you come here with an agenda.

 

[lurker]

By adding the above comments, you are making it abundantly clear that you are intentionally and knowingly offending the Muslims....

Why are Muslims offended?

 

[lurker]

With all due respect, you just preached about your religion in the very first two paragraphs. Thus, Imran Khan has got the same right as you do. If you don't agree with Imran Khan's preaching to the Muslim citizens of Islamic Republic of Pakistan then please feel welcome to move to where I live, the United States or any other Western country. I just hope that you don't get disappointed. Good luck. Thank you. :)

There are other citizens of Pakistan who are NOT muslim. Imran doesn't preach to them? Selective preaching and always telling your minorities that God prefers some of you; is not really the best way of being equal.

 

[عؔلی خان]

Well im here for a discussion. I already said I dont believe the moon was split in half. Its my right to believe what I want to believe and your right to believe what you want to believe. If you want to engage in a sober debate then parhaps present me evidence that shows the moon was split in half or admit that you do not have any evidence.

Now you are going to get offended. So, buckle up.

- The moment you insulted my Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I stopped "discussing" with you. (Who in his sane mind expect to have a "sober debate" or "discussion" on these forums?)
- And when you added more sacrilegious comments in the attempt of "elaborating" your "beliefs", any possibility of "sober debate" went out of the window right there.
- I am not here to convince you. I am not in the business of babysitting mindless toddlers.
- As far as I am concerned, you are just a stranger. To tell you the truth, you are nobody and subject to the mercy of just one click of mine to be put on ignore.

How not to engage in a sober debate is to get offended when someone expresses an opinion different than yours, get offended and start bulleying the other person for an apology for not agreeing without. Why do you feel so entitled?

- You are not merely expressing your opinion(s).
- You have passed some serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments
- By the very same token, why do you feel entitled to offend people and malign the respected ones of nearly 2 billions Muslims who are also human beings?

Grow up and learn to tolerate opinions that are different that yours. If you cant do that then why fo you come to discussion forums? There are many Islamic sites where you will hear only one opion... if words offend you then there is something very wrong with you as a person and you need to figure that out.

- The truth of the matter is that you, yourself, need to grow up and snap out of this mentality that you can offend to whomsoever you want at whim and then not be challenged.

If you have no more value to add to this conversation but only to resort to bulleying rather than having a civilzed discussion then im done here.

You haven't added any value but passed on some really serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments to the Muslims and the participants of this forum.

You still owe an apology.

 

[Vitamin_C]

What is offensive about what I said?

Now you are going to get offended. So, buckle up.

- The moment you insulted my Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I stopped "discussing" with you. (Who in his sane mind expect to have a "sober debate" or "discussion" on these forums?)
- And when you added more sacrilegious comments in the attempt of "elaborating" your "beliefs", any possibility of "sober debate" went out of the window right there.
- I am not here to convince you. I am not in the business of babysitting mindless toddlers.
- As far as I am concerned, you are just a stranger. To tell you the truth, you are nobody and subject to the mercy of just one click of mine to be put on ignore.





- You are not merely expressing your opinion(s).
- You have passed some serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments
- By the very same token, why do you feel entitled to offend people and malign the respected ones of nearly 2 billions Muslims who are also human beings?





- The truth of the matter is that you, yourself, need to grow up and snap out of this mentality that you can offend to whomsoever you want at whim and then not be challenged.





You haven't added any value but passed on some really serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments to the Muslims and the participants of this forum.

You still owe an apology.

 

[عؔلی خان]

What is offensive about what I said?

Apparently, you have a history here. Read on:

Ur intention is pc of shit like U...
arnt u the moron who replied to Qurani Ayat by harry potter's shit..
u seems qadiani or atheist ...whoever n whtevr the fk u r...I suggest U better stop poking ur ugly nose here n thr...bfr someone shove it up ur s...

 

[jani1]

Now you are going to get offended. So, buckle up.

- The moment you insulted my Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I stopped "discussing" with you. (Who in his sane mind expect to have a "sober debate" or "discussion" on these forums?)
- And when you added more sacrilegious comments in the attempt of "elaborating" your "beliefs", any possibility of "sober debate" went out of the window right there.
- I am not here to convince you. I am not in the business of babysitting mindless toddlers.
- As far as I am concerned, you are just a stranger. To tell you the truth, you are nobody and subject to the mercy of just one click of mine to be put on ignore.





- You are not merely expressing your opinion(s).
- You have passed some serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments
- By the very same token, why do you feel entitled to offend people and malign the respected ones of nearly 2 billions Muslims who are also human beings?





- The truth of the matter is that you, yourself, need to grow up and snap out of this mentality that you can offend to whomsoever you want at whim and then not be challenged.





You haven't added any value but passed on some really serious sacrilegious and very offensive comments to the Muslims and the participants of this forum.

You still owe an apology.

Beautiful....
I guess its in our best favour to leave him troubled n dstrsd here after ths beautiful slap..
Need not to wst more time on such a pathetic crtr...

 

[Vitamin_C]

Yes I have a history of fighting ignorance, intolerence and bigotry.

Apparently, you have a history here. Read on:

 

[Vitamin_C]

I have talked to people on this forums that have very ignorant ideas but they were not bigots. I think this guy in particular is influenced by bigots like Khadim Rizvi.

Why are Muslims offended?

 

[عؔلی خان]

Yes I have a history of fighting ignorance, intolerence and bigotry.

I have talked to people on this forums that have very ignorant ideas but they were not bigots. I think this guy in particular is influenced by bigots like Khadim Rizvi.

You have provided ample evidence that you are the one who is a bigot, ignorant, intolerant and potty-mouthed like Khadim Rizvi hence you mentioning his name.

 

[lurker]

I have talked to people on this forums that have very ignorant ideas but they were not bigots. I think this guy in particular is influenced by bigots like Khadim Rizvi.

I am not easily offended. Maybe because I am a curious type of guy and I have the uncanny ability to walk in the other's shoes. So I usually quickly figure out where the other person is coming from. I am a big proponent of treating ALL human kind as equal.

I tinker with ideas and philosophy to better understand the 'human condition'. I like to see what makes each person tick. When people get offended, they reveal a lot more than when they are in all their faculties. :P

 

[عؔلی خان]

I am not easily offended. Maybe because I am a curious type of guy and I have the uncanny ability to walk in the other's shoes. So I usually quickly figure out where the other person is coming from. I am a big proponent of treating ALL human kind as equal.

I tinker with ideas and philosophy to better understand the 'human condition'. I like to see what makes each person tick. When people get offended, they reveal a lot more than when they are in all their faculties. :p

Trust me, your ID speaks volume about you. Keep on lurking behind that ID. ;)

 

[lurker]

Trust me, your ID speaks volume about you. Keep on lurking behind that ID. ;)

awww..... I didn't even say much. Awein ghusa mujh par? You will find me a lot more easier to deal with. I am pretty cool. ;)

 

[jani1]

You have provided ample evidence .

اس ویٹامن سی منافق کی یہ بات دلچسپ ہے کہ ایک طرف بدتہزیبی کرو، مگر کوئی جواب دے تو اس پر حراساں کرنے کا الزام تھوپ دو۔۔
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[Vitamin_C]

I am always open to a discussion about different ideas people have. You and Khadim Rizvi are not. You said that I am not welcome to even post on this forum, who is the bigot? Its intolerant people like you and Khadim Rizvi who damage the image of Islam more than people who criticize it. You as an adult person are responsible for your own feelings, no one owes you an apology. Don't be like Khadim Rizvi and Learn to deal with people who disagree with you without crying like a baby.

You have provided ample evidence that you are the one who is a bigot, ignorant, intolerant and potty-mouthed like Khadim Rizvi hence you mentioning his name.

 

[عؔلی خان]

I am always open to a discussion about different ideas people have. You and Khadim Rizvi are not. You said that I am not welcome to even post on this forum, who is the bigot? Its intolerant people like you and Khadim Rizvi who damage the image of Islam more than people who criticize it. You as an adult person are responsible for your own feelings, no one owes you an apology. Don't be like Khadim Rizvi and Learn to deal with people who disagree with you without crying like a baby.

You keep on beating around the bush and keep on playing your heinous game of game of "Tag, you are it" and on the top of that you are having this holier than thou attitude.

I think the weaker the ideas that people hold, the more likely they are to get defensive and offended. I never see mathematicians get offended when someone says 2+2=5... but people get offended when you question the basis of the claim that the moon was split in half. No other civilization, neither Chinese, nor Greeks nor Native Americans witnessed it. There is no physical evidence of it on the moon. And given the effects that the moon has on the weather patterns and tides on Earth, so such activity was recorded.

There is a whole chapter in Sahih Bukhari Volume 4 dedicated to camel piss medicine, I think its time we ask these people to have a taste of their own medicine. In the same Sahih Bukhari book Muhammad claims that black magic and poison cannot harm anyone who eats Ajwa on that day. I challenge these people who get offended, if they believe in every word that Muhammad says then take a bottle of poison after eating Ajwa and see if you live. If you do not believe him then you do not have a right to get offended if I do not believe in something as well.

It is you who is stooping to the level of potty-mouthed Khadim Rizvi.

If you have got so much contempt and hate towards the Muslims and Islam then why do you even bother to come here? To offend them? To insult them? Because that's what you have been doing all along and keep on doing it.

The bottom line is that nearly 1.9 Muslims are also human beings and no matter how trivial you think their beliefs are, you have no right to offend them by keep on rehashing your sacrilegious and contemptuous psycho-babbling, ranting and whining about the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the Quran and more. It is about time that you realize that (And I doubt it that you ever will) and must apologize to the fellow human beings if you really are a human being.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I do not hate Muslims or Islam, I have many friends and family that are practising Muslims. I am simply pointing out that there are evidential holes in what you belief and being a responsible person you should be able to justify your beliefs when questioned. Instead you start weeping like a baby. You are aware that one can criticize an idea without hating it right? Just because I do not believe there will be a third titanic movie does not mean that I hate the idea of a third Titanic movie.

I think you come from a background that discourages rational thinking, questioning and seeking evidence. This is why it is such a shock to you that there are people out there who hold ideas and beliefs that there are different than yours. Grow up and learn to tolerate those ideas that are different. Don't be a bigot.

If you are saying Allah is the real God, that means you are saying bhagwan is not the real God. By saying this you are disagreeing with 1 billion+ Hindus... I will apologize to you if you apologize to the 1 billion+ Hindus for offending them, 2 billion+ Christians who say Jesus is God for disagreeing with them and 500 million+ atheists for saying that there is a God. Also apologize to 600,000 other religions that existed which you are disagreeing with. I await those 600,000 apologies from you. If you are a human being then apologize to those 5 billion+ human beings who believe in other Gods other than yours. This is how ridiculous you sound when you say you get offended when someone disagrees with you.

If you have got so much contempt and hate towards the Muslims and Islam then why do you even bother to come here? To offend them? To insult them? Because that's what you have been doing all along and keep on doing it.

The bottom line is that nearly 1.9 Muslims are also human beings and no matter how trivial you think their beliefs are, you have no right to offend them by keep on rehashing your sacrilegious and contemptuous psycho-babbling, ranting and whining about the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the Quran and more. It is about time that you realize that (And I doubt it that you ever will) and must apologize to the fellow human beings if you really are a human being.

 

[عؔلی خان]

I do not hate Muslims or Islam, I have many friends and family that are practising Muslims. I am simply pointing out that there are evidential holes in what you belief and being a responsible person you should be able to justify your beliefs when questioned. Instead you start weeping like a baby. You are aware that one can criticize an idea without hating it right? Just because I do not believe there will be a third titanic movie does not mean that I hate the idea of a third Titanic movie.

Do you know the meaning of word, Muslim?

Do you know the difference between an idea and a belief?

I think you come from a background that discourages rational thinking, questioning and seeking evidence. This is why it is such a shock to you that there are people out there who hold ideas and beliefs that there are different than yours. Grow up and learn to tolerate those ideas that are different. Don't be a bigot.

Since you keep on judging me, I think nobody has ever taught you that how to respect the beliefs of your fellow human beings. You claim to have "many friends and family that are practicing Muslims." You have shown enough respect to them on this thread so far. You are just a laptop warrior atheist or whatever you think you are in your mind.

If you are saying Allah is the real God, that means you are saying bhagwan is not the real God. By saying this you are disagreeing with 1 billion+ Hindus... I will apologize to you if you apologize to the 1 billion+ Hindus for offending them, 2 billion+ Christians who say Jesus is God for disagreeing with them and 500 million+ atheists for saying that there is a God. Also apologize to 600,000 other religions that existed which you are disagreeing with. I await those 600,000 apologies from you. This is how ridiculous you sound when you say you get offended when someone disagrees with you.

Show me, throughout this thread, that I ever implied or even alluded to any of the things you wrote in the above paragraph.

Am I posting my thoughts or whatever I think is correct about Hindus, Christians or anybody else's beliefs by visiting their forums? I have never done that and never will.

The truth of the matter is that it is you who is coming here and posting your contemptuous and sacrilegious comments regarding the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), Quran and more on siasat.pk (a Pakistani forum frequented by the Pakistani Muslims) in the name of "discussion" and "sober debate."

As I wrote earlier that you come here with an agenda to plant the seeds of doubt in the gullible minds of Pakistani Muslim youth to deviate them from the Islamic faith.

In any case, you have just proven the fact that you are not a decent human being and you have no courtesy nor courage to apologize to your fellow human beings. Good bye. :)(y)