Saudi Govt. Accept Mistake-Eid Ul Fitr Was Declared On The Wrong Day

[simple_and_peacefull]

what about days....if a Islamic month have 29days in Pakistan then same thing in USA also or JAPAN etc. it will not like this a month 29 days in Pakistan and 30 days USA etc.

do you agree on this point .....

First of all we are not sure whether the moon was sighted by someone. I have seen no pics or videos keep in mind this is 2011 and the evidence due to technology can be easily captured by lens. Secondly since viewing the moon is necessary you need to keep in mind the time zone difference between Hawaii and Saudia Arabia or Pakistan. The time difference between Honolulu, Hawaii and Karachi is 15 hours whilst the time difference bewteen Hawaii and Tokyo is 19 hours.

This means that Karachi is 15 hours ahead of Hawaii and Tokyo is 19 hours ahead of Hawaii. Do you want Pakistanis to wait 15 hours for the people of Hawaii to sight the moon. Mashallah try to understand this phenomenon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mysticreed]

what about days....if a Islamic month have 29days in Pakistan then same thing in USA also or JAPAN etc. it will not like this a month 29 days in Pakistan and 30 days USA etc.

do you agree on this point .....

First of all according to the website http://moonsighting.com/ the moon wasn't visible in USA on 29th August 2011. Secondly scientific advancements and technology is proving that the time difference between Hawaii and Pakistan is 15 hours. Thirdly the moon has to be sighted on the land or country where the Eid is being celebrated. All this leads to the conclusion that yes there can be difference in the days of the lunar month in Hawaii and Pakistan. Though I still have to see a lens captured evidence of the moon sighted in Hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I repeat again with more clarity that since the time difference between Hawaii and Pakistan is 15 hours and moon has to be definitely sighted for announcing Eid then in this case if I wait for Hawaii it will take 15 hours for a Pakistani to know when is Eid. If Hawaii sights the moon at 8pm their local time it will be the next day 1pm afternoon Pakistan time. Do you want me to break my fast at 1pm afternoon once the moon is sighted in Hawaii and then go to offer Eid prayers at 2pm Pakistani time ?????????????

This is why I said that local Eid sighting matters and it can be aided by scientific tools and knowledge. Therefore Pakistan was right in celebrating Eid on 31st August whilst Saudia was wrong in celebrating Eid on 30th August as they claim to have sighted the moon themselves which was a white lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

dear brother mys,,,,,

my question is very simple and easy to answer i will repeat it again.

.if a Islamic month have 29days in Pakistan then same thing in USA also or JAPAN etc. it will not like this a month have 29 days in Pakistan and 30 days USA etc.its maybe on different english dates but numbers of days will be same.

First of all according to the website http://moonsighting.com/ the moon wasn't visible in USA on 29th August 2011. Secondly scientific advancements and technology is proving that the time difference between Hawaii and Pakistan is 15 hours. Thirdly the moon has to be sighted on the land or country where the Eid is being celebrated. All this leads to the conclusion that yes there can be difference in the days of the lunar month in Hawaii and Pakistan. Though I still have to see a lens captured evidence of the moon sighted in Hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I repeat again with more clarity that since the time difference between Hawaii and Pakistan is 15 hours and moon has to be definitely sighted for announcing Eid then in this case if I wait for Hawaii it will take 15 hours for a Pakistani to know when is Eid. If Hawaii sights the moon at 8pm their local time it will be the next day 1pm afternoon Pakistan time. Do you want me to break my fast at 1pm afternoon once the moon is sighted in Hawaii and then go to offer Eid prayers at 2pm Pakistani time ?????????????

This is why I said that local Eid sighting matters and it can be aided by scientific tools and knowledge. Therefore Pakistan was right in celebrating Eid on 31st August whilst Saudia was wrong in celebrating Eid on 30th August as they claim to have sighted the moon themselves which was a white lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mysticreed]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

bhai shahb ye web side bhi Dallas Texas.........ki ID HE # 50.22.195.239http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/491496

You really need time to mature dude.

Al-Masry Al-Youm (Arabic: المصرى اليوم‎ al-Maṣrī l-Yawm, IPA: [elˈmɑsˤɾi lˈjoːm], meaning The Egyptian Today) is an Egyptian privately owned daily newspaper that was first published in June 2004. It is published in Arabic and has a website in both Arabic and English. It strives to be a full-service multimedia news organization for Egypt.

It is listed amongst Egyptian newspapers : http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/egypt.htm and its headquarters is in Cairo, Egypt.

Don't look up at the IP address as this only shows the origin of the host server !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mysticreed]

dear brother mys,,,,,

my question is very simple and easy to answer i will repeat it again.

.if a Islamic month have 29days in Pakistan then same thing in USA also or JAPAN etc. it will not like this a month have 29 days in Pakistan and 30 days USA etc.its maybe on different english dates but numbers of days will be same.

The moon in USA was visible on the same date which is 30th August as in Pakistan as per moonsighting.com. How many times do I have to repeat it ????????????? The Hawaii sighting must be captured on lens before citing it as an evidence and secondly it isn't feasible for the eastern hemipheric people to rely on the Hawaii sighting due to time difference.

Due to this the moon date should be the same throughout the world in order to solve the issue and for this the best way is to follow the moon sighted in Makkah

They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is [in] one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed (2:189).

Making the above verse as the criteria it is important that for uniformity and organisation the moon sighting in Makkah should be the benchmark for the Muslims throughout the world but since the Saudis aren't following the rules appropriately so it causes confusion throughout the world. In this case Pakistan had to do its own ijtihaad and follow its local sighting but I stress upon the visible fact that the scientific moonsighting in Pakistan and Makkah are supposed to be on the same day due to a lesser distance as compared to Hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

dear brother mys,


don't get angery .. i understand your explanation but you didn't understand what is my question. take your time read it again. its very simple.

The moon in USA was sightable on the same date which is 30th August as in Pakistan. How many times do I have to repeat it ?????????????

 

[Mysticreed]

dear brother mys,


don't get angery .. i understand your explanation but you didn't understand what is my question. take your time read it again. its very simple.

I can't make out why you think I am angry. I will repeat my response and I have already answered your question and am now also giving you a scripture derived solution.

The moon in USA was visible on the same date which is 30th August as in Pakistan as per moonsighting.com. How many times do I have to repeat it ????????????? The Hawaii sighting must be captured on lens before citing it as an evidence and secondly it isn't feasible for the eastern hemipheric people to rely on the Hawaii sighting due to time difference.

Due to this the moon date should be the same throughout the world in order to solve the issue and for this the best way is to follow the moon sighted in Makkah

They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is [in] one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed (2:189).

Making the above verse as the criteria it is important that for uniformity and organisation the moon sighting in Makkah should be the benchmark for Muslims throughout the world but since the Saudis aren't following the rules appropriately so it causes confusion throughout the world. In this case Pakistan had to do its own ijtihaad and follow its local sighting but I stress upon the visible fact that the scientific moonsighting in Pakistan and Makkah are supposed to be on the same day due to a lesser distance as compared to Hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incase you think I am not grasping your point then explain in detail what you mean to say ?????????????

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

dear brother mys,

appolgy to missunderstood that you got angery.

regarding question you didn't understand my point. let ask you diffrent way....

month of Muharum have 29days
1st Muharram was on 8 Dec,2010 in Pakistan and USA have on 7 Dec,2010
29th Muharram was on 5Jan2011 in Pakistan and USA have on 4 Jan,2011
its mean total 29 days


its means rest of world's country also have 29days for Month of Muharram. countries may have difference in date of Gregorian Calendar but no difference in Hijri Calendar.[h=2]

I can't make out why you think I am angry. I will repeat my response and I have already answered your question and am now also giving you a scripture derived solution.

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The moon in USA was visible on the same date which is 30th August as in Pakistan as per moonsighting.com. How many times do I have to repeat it ????????????? The Hawaii sighting must be captured on lens before citing it as an evidence and secondly it isn't feasible for the eastern hemipheric people to rely on the Hawaii sighting due to time difference.

Due to this the moon date should be the same throughout the world in order to solve the issue and for this the best way is to follow the moon sighted in Makkah

They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is [in] one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed (2:189).

Making the above verse as the criteria it is important that for uniformity and organisation the moon sighting in Makkah should be the benchmark for Muslims throughout the world but since the Saudis aren't following the rules appropriately so it causes confusion throughout the world. In this case Pakistan had to do its own ijtihaad and follow its local sighting but I stress upon the visible fact that the scientific moonsighting in Pakistan and Makkah are supposed to be on the same day due to a lesser distance as compared to Hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incase you think I am not grasping your point then explain in detail what you mean to say ?????????????

 

[famamdani]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

Dude that's the problem with you Najdi mulla slaves that you start talking nonsense when you run out of logical arguments. I quoted the fatwa of the Najdi mulla and briefly explained what they meant. Mein sabit yeh karna chahta hoon that Pakistan celebrated the Eid day as per the requirement of Sharia with the help of scientific technology. The Eid day announced by Najdi mullas was wrong technically and scientifically !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its very good kisi kaam me Hamara pakistan scientific technology ka istemal kar raha he..................baqi kiyoon nahi kar rahe tou na karian is me larne ki kia baat he.....................................:):)

 

[famamdani]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

You really need time to mature dude.

Al-Masry Al-Youm (Arabic: المصرى اليوم‎ al-Maṣrī l-Yawm, IPA: [elˈmɑsˤɾi lˈjoːm], meaning The Egyptian Today) is an Egyptian privately owned daily newspaper that was first published in June 2004. It is published in Arabic and has a website in both Arabic and English. It strives to be a full-service multimedia news organization for Egypt.

It is listed amongst Egyptian newspapers : http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/egypt.htm and its headquarters is in Cairo, Egypt.

Don't look up at the IP address as this only shows the origin of the host server !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kind for info.......................its very easy and possiable.......................i sit in khi and can take a host server from dallas and use this web multiuses..................same like impression of this firm from pakistan..............but host server any other country...?????

 

[waleedhussain]

@WahleedHussain...thanks for your wahabi lecture full of lies. You wahabi's are jahil and try to hide yourself in public under the flag of Prophet Muhammad and when u are alone say, Muhammad was like us and he is dead. You can't fool us anymore. As to the your unedcauted argurment that will Allah allow a wahbai to lead Kabba? Answer is for 1000's of years people stored idols in Kabba and it was a idol worshipping place until Mecca was conqured at which time Prophet told Ali is dismental all idols from Kabba. read history first before opening your mouth. Will Allah allow kufar to have idols in Kabba? your argument is foolish and unedcuated washabi justification.

This is because u r jaahil . Muhammad PBUH is the heighest of ALL human beings and superior to all Prophets. 2ndly Prophet Muhammad pbuh ka wisaal ho chuka hai is duniya say jese shaheed zinda hota hai but he is not present in us anymore. & This is not a disobedience to say Prophet pbuh has departed from this world. And tihrdly regarding worshiping idols in Kaa'ba .,.that argument is made against ur baseless allegations that Imame kaaba is a wahabi himself and is gustaakh-e-Nabi pbuh .Your argument is again going against urself. Those infidels used to worship Laat Uzza the same way ur stupid Ahl-e-bidah worship respected Sufias. Go and read Quran jin 21,momin 60,aale imran 154,fatir 10,fatir 13,fatir 15,inaam 17,ankaaboot 65,shoora 49-50 and related Ahaadith and tafaseer of REAL AHL-E-SUNNAH WAL JAMAAH ...

 

[molson4u]

Dear waleed bin Yazeed,

Who was the first Wahabi? You mind will say, Abdul Wahab. Try again. Any guesss? Let me tell you the answer….
Shatan was the first wahabi. Read surah Baqara(3:30:39). He was the one who started wahabism before the earth was created. Shatan said He just believe in Allah, he will just bow down to Allah and only Allah is superior. He believed Human being should not be bowed too...sound familiar with wahabism.

Then Allah said, Bow down to Adam, My vice and prophet, a human. Shatan wahabi said, you want me to bow down to a human. I will just bow down to you. Allah said, leave because you have disobeyed and your place is in Hell.
Bow downing other than Allah is Shrik say a wahabi.... In the above example, Did Allah created shirk or promoted shirk himself? Why he was saying Shatan to bow down to Adam, a human, when shajda is only for Allah. The reason was to explain that Allah has created few superior humans( prophets ) who are eligible to get Shajida tazeem and a sajida mahboot( creator) is different. Not doing a sajidaTazeem will make you stand in line with Shatan and be called Shatan wahbai's.

As to asking other than Allah for help and everything.... Allah said in Quranto find a " wasila". The word used is Quran is alwaseelata. Allah didn't come to you and ask you to worship him. He gave thereligion through " wasila" of a Prophet. He didn't created you andthrew you on the Earth, he gave youbirth with " wasila" of your Parents. Jabril was a wasila between Prophets and Allah. Namaz is a wasila between you and God. He could have sentfood to your house through angles, but he ask you to find a wasila(work oremployer) to get food. Hence nothing he gives or recieves without wasila.

Don't be Shatan and listen to Shatani preacher od Wahabi fitna. Don't followthe footprints of Shatan and say Allah is enough. We believe in him, Muhammadis dead and bowing down to anyone other than Allah is shirk. It was what exactlywhat Shatan said and he was declared Shatan and if you walk on his foot steps,you will be his follower and not of Prophet Muhammad.

I have given you 2 examples, First, bowing down other than God is Taught by Allahin the story of creation. Quran is the witness and you can't deny Quran.

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Explain this to me, If bow down to a human is shirk, then whyAllah is teeling anglas to bow down? Is Allah Permoting Shirk? Is Allah makingadam equalant to himself?

No the concept Allah is explaining (2:30-39)is that Adam was given Obeisance( bow)because he had more knowledge than other creatures. So this story tells us thatyou can bow to anyone who have more knowlwdge than you and its not shirkotherwise allah would have never let this shirk happen infront of him. Think mysatan worsipper and read and understand Quran.


Seeking a wasila is from Quran and Allah gives and receives everything throughWasila. Present your arguments against Allah and Quran and prove me Incorrect.You say once should ask directly to Allah but this is what Quran says:
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Wa-itha qeela lahum taAAalawyastaghfir lakum rasoolu Allahi lawwaw ruoosahumwaraaytahum yasuddoona wahum mustakbiroona


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Quran Surah:2 Verse:61- And when you said: O Musa! we cannot bear with one food, therefore pray Lord on our behalf to bring forth for us out of what the earth grows, of its herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions…………… this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.

Quran Surah:7 Verse:134-135- And when the plague fell upon them, they said: O Musa! pray for us to your Lord as He has made a covenant with you, if you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and we will certainly send away with you the children of Israel. But when We removed the plague from them till a term which they should attain lo! they broke (the promise).

Quran Surah:3 Verse:159- Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

Quran Surah:4 Verse:64- And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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Quran [5:55-56]
Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe,those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. And whoever takes Allahand His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the partyof Allah are they that shall be triumphant.


Its proven from Quran that bowing to a Human is what Allah promoted in the caseof Adam because of Knowledge. So if the Prophet says, I and the city of Knowledgeand Ali is the door to that Knowledge, doing a sajid for them is Sunnat of WhatAllah told angles to do. Everybody did accept Shatan Wahabi. Its is also proventhat Allah want us to seek wasila to him and obey people with knowledge.

You wahabi's are Satan worshippers and work on his theology saying, disregardthe prophet's they are dead, disregard saints, they are dead, disregard Aima,they are dead and just worship Allah exactly the theology of Shatan. I will notbow down to Adam(a man) but worhip Allah, see where this theology took him andInshallah you will follow Shatan to hell.

 

[waleedhussain]

Dear waleed bin Yazeed,

Who was the first Wahabi? You mind will say, Abdul Wahab. Try again. Any guesss? Let me tell you the answer….
Shatan was the first wahabi. Read surah Baqara(3:30:39). He was the one who started wahabism before the earth was created. Shatan said He just believe in Allah, he will just bow down to Allah and only Allah is superior. He believed Human being should not be bowed too...sound familiar with wahabism.

Then Allah said, Bow down to Adam, My vice and prophet, a human. Shatan wahabi said, you want me to bow down to a human. I will just bow down to you. Allah said, leave because you have disobeyed and your place is in Hell.
Bow downing other than Allah is Shrik say a wahabi.... In the above example, Did Allah created shirk or promoted shirk himself? Why he was saying Shatan to bow down to Adam, a human, when shajda is only for Allah. The reason was to explain that Allah has created few superior humans( prophets ) who are eligible to get Shajida tazeem and a sajida mahboot( creator) is different. Not doing a sajidaTazeem will make you stand in line with Shatan and be called Shatan wahbai's.

As to asking other than Allah for help and everything.... Allah said in Quranto find a " wasila". The word used is Quran is alwaseelata. Allah didn't come to you and ask you to worship him. He gave thereligion through " wasila" of a Prophet. He didn't created you andthrew you on the Earth, he gave youbirth with " wasila" of your Parents. Jabril was a wasila between Prophets and Allah. Namaz is a wasila between you and God. He could have sentfood to your house through angles, but he ask you to find a wasila(work oremployer) to get food. Hence nothing he gives or recieves without wasila.

Don't be Shatan and listen to Shatani preacher od Wahabi fitna. Don't followthe footprints of Shatan and say Allah is enough. We believe in him, Muhammadis dead and bowing down to anyone other than Allah is shirk. It was what exactlywhat Shatan said and he was declared Shatan and if you walk on his foot steps,you will be his follower and not of Prophet Muhammad.

I have given you 2 examples, First, bowing down other than God is Taught by Allahin the story of creation. Quran is the witness and you can't deny Quran.

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2:33
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qala ya adamu anbi/humbi-asma-ihim falamma anbaahum bi-asma-ihim qalaalam aqul lakum innee aAAlamu ghayba alssamawatiwaal-ardi waaAAlamu ma tubdoona wamakuntum taktumoona
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
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Explain this to me, If bow down to a human is shirk, then whyAllah is teeling anglas to bow down? Is Allah Permoting Shirk? Is Allah makingadam equalant to himself?

No the concept Allah is explaining (2:30-39)is that Adam was given Obeisance( bow)because he had more knowledge than other creatures. So this story tells us thatyou can bow to anyone who have more knowlwdge than you and its not shirkotherwise allah would have never let this shirk happen infront of him. Think mysatan worsipper and read and understand Quran.


Seeking a wasila is from Quran and Allah gives and receives everything throughWasila. Present your arguments against Allah and Quran and prove me Incorrect.You say once should ask directly to Allah but this is what Quran says:
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[TD]Ya ayyuha allatheena amanooittaqoo Allaha waibtaghoo ilayhi alwaseelata wajahidoofee sabeelihi laAAallakum tuflihoo na

Quran Surah:2 Verse:61- And when you said: O Musa! we cannot bear with one food, therefore pray Lord on our behalf to bring forth for us out of what the earth grows, of its herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions…………… this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.

Quran Surah:7 Verse:134-135- And when the plague fell upon them, they said: O Musa! pray for us to your Lord as He has made a covenant with you, if you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and we will certainly send away with you the children of Israel. But when We removed the plague from them till a term which they should attain lo! they broke (the promise).

Quran Surah:3 Verse:159- Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

Quran Surah:4 Verse:64- And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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Quran [5:55-56]
Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe,those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. And whoever takes Allahand His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the partyof Allah are they that shall be triumphant.


Its proven from Quran that bowing to a Human is what Allah promoted in the caseof Adam because of Knowledge. So if the Prophet says, I and the city of Knowledgeand Ali is the door to that Knowledge, doing a sajid for them is Sunnat of WhatAllah told angles to do. Everybody did accept Shatan Wahabi. Its is also proventhat Allah want us to seek wasila to him and obey people with knowledge.

You wahabi's are Satan worshippers and work on his theology saying, disregardthe prophet's they are dead, disregard saints, they are dead, disregard Aima,they are dead and just worship Allah exactly the theology of Shatan. I will notbow down to Adam(a man) but worhip Allah, see where this theology took him andInshallah you will follow Shatan to hell.

REGARDING SAJDAH

The ayat mentioning the story of Adam (A.S) and Iblees DO NOT imply that it is permitted to do sajdah. There are many rulings that have changed by the time as marrying sister was even allowed before.
It is straightforward forbidden for Ummat-e-Muhammad (pbuh). Proof:

“Ibn Maajah (1853) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Awfa said: When Mu’aadh came from Syria, he prostrated to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “What is this, O Mu'aadh?” He said, I went to Syria and saw them prostrating to their archbishops and patriarchs, and I wanted to do that for you. The Messenger of Allaah (S) said, “Do not do that. If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone other than Allaah, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands.”…
This is narrated by beautiful Sahaabas like Ab Hurayra, Mu`dh ibn Jabal, Surqa ibn Mlik ibn Ju`shum, `A'isha, Ibn `Abbs, `Abd Allh ibn Ab Awf, T.alq ibn `Al, Umm Salama, Anas, and Ibn `Umar. May Allah be pleased with them ALL.

“Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allaah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him” [Fussilat 41:37]

“So fall you down in prostration to Allaah and worship Him (Alone)”[al-Najm 53:62]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us even against standing up for him. It says in the hadeeth [referring to when he led them in prayer sitting down because he was ill, and they were standing, so he gestured to them to sit down]

“Just now you nearly did the action of the Persians and Romans, who stand up for their kings whilst they [the kings] are sitting.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Salaah, 624)

If this is what is said about standing up for him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then what about prostrating for him?

Undoubtedly this action is a kind of worship, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us against following the Jews and Christians in that. He said during his final illness:

“May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and Christians, for they took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” He was warning against doing what they did. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari,

What is prescribed in Islam is to send blessings upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when making du’aa’. This is a kind of etiquette to which attention should be paid. As this is what the noble companions like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman & Ali (May Allah be pleased with them all did rather then prostrating the Prophet (pbuh).


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Mushrikeen –e- Makkah too claimed that they call and approach them only = so that they may make them closer to Allah.

“[They say:] We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah” [al-Zumar 39:3]
“and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allaah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners (with Him)!” [Yoonus 10:18]

“Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Call unto those besides Him whom you pretend [to be gods like angels, Iesa (Jesus), 'Uzair (Ezra), etc.]. They have neither the power to remove the adversity from you nor even to shift it from you to another person."

Those whom they call upon [like 'Iesa (Jesus) - son of Maryam (Mary), 'Uzair (Ezra), angel, etc.] desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord (Allah), as to which of them should be the nearest and they ['Iesa (Jesus), 'Uzair (Ezra), angels, etc.] hope for His Mercy and fear His Torment. Verily, the Torment of your Lord is something to be afraid of!” [Isra 17:56-57]

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Allaah commands His believing slaves to fear Him (taqwa). When this word is accompanied by mention of obedience, it means refraining from haraam things. After that Allaah says, “And seek the means of approach to Him. Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 2/53, 54.

The basic meaning of the word waseelah is a path that brings one near to something. Here it means righteous deeds, according to scholarly consensus, because there is no other way of drawing close to Allaah apart from following the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), doing that sincerely for the sake of Allaah alone, because this is the only path that leads to the pleasure of Allaah and attaining what is with Him and what is good in this world and in the Hereafter.

There are many verses which explain the meaning of waseelah, such as the following (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it” [al-Hashr 59:7]

“Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ‘If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me’” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31]

“Say: Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger” [al-Noor 24:54]

Another meaning of waseelah is the status in Paradise which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us to ask Allaah to grant to him, and we hope that Allaah will give it to him, because only one person will be entitled to it, and he hoped that he would be the one.

This all is the faith of Ahl-us-Sunnah Wal Jamaah , including Sahaaba and their followers, and Imaam of 4 schools of Fiqh. And they were all wrong in understanding those verses of Quran and your version is right?
We have faith in Allah, His Messgenger pbuh and the best Companions R.Z.A and the Aima and all those saints who followed path of Messenger pbuh & the Companions R.Z.A. We have highest regards to all those who served the religion and they will get their reward inshAllah, but we do not WORSHIP them, as we would be only asked about our deeds.
Regarding the death of Prophet pbuh:

Abu Bakr said, "To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad has passed away, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die. Allah said, "And Muhammad is but a messenger; the messengers have come before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful." (3.144)

'Umar said, "By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had passed away."
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 733, narrated by 'Aa'ishah, ibn 'Abbaas and az-Zuhri

Prophet Muhammad pbuh – May our fathers and mothers and children and everything be sacrificed for him, he is dearer to us than ANY humanbeing. And Allah will grant him the HIGHEST status on day of judgment that is Muqaam-e-Mehmood and he definitely will exercise his right to ask for forgiveness of those who followed his teachings. InshAllah.

Currently it is YOU following the same suit of Shaytan and not us. The sin of Shaytaan was that he believed in Allah but REJECTED what was ordained. As now, Allah has ordained to worship only HIM and forbid calling others in RANK to Allah, which we are doing. And now you are following the footsteps of Shaytan where you believe in Allah but refute HIS orders of not associating HIS qualities to others, again—opposite to what Allah has ordained.

Last but not least. Stop playing around with the coined word ‘Wahabi’ and becareful when you say that because WAHAAB is the name of Allah Himself Almighty.

 

[samar]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

bhai shahb..............aap ne kuwaitnews ka article paraha pehle tou is ka mahasil kia nikla............................unhone koi final decission nahi diya balke end me unhone suggetion dia he saudi hakomat ko ke woh chand dekhne ke system ko well update technology ke saath ikhtiar kare tou muslim duniya ke liye better result mil sakta he..............................

www.alarabiya.net web side from Italy.......................:lol::lol::angry_smile::angry_smile:...............which is releible pls explain us.................and direct from saudia have you some information ............................please
www.kuwaitnews.com from
Ort der IP-Adresse
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Dallas in United States.

IP adress server ka hota he meree jaan............jahan se update ore maintain hotee he uska nhi.

 

[famamdani]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

IP adress server ka hota he meree jaan............jahan se update ore maintain hotee he uska nhi.

and thats my q .....................its possible from KHI can i make a web side via eruope or USA.........server.............???????????

 

[Pakistani1947]

What a useless thread by innovators (biddattis)...

A million mistakes of Saudi government of this kind are better than just one act of SHIRK which is wide spread in Pakistan.

Shirk is worst kind of Sin and there is no forgiveness for this sin by Allah.

 

[samar]

Re: Scientist threatened in Saudia for doubting Eid moon sighting

and thats my q .....................its possible from KHI can i make a web side via eruope or USA.........server.............???????????

by the way ye aapka sawal nhi tha aap apni ghati accept karin aap logo ko decieve kr rahey they................. maximum webservers are america/Europe based. You just use the space provided by them........you pay them.

 

[samar]

What a useless thread by innovators (biddattis)...

A million mistakes of Saudi government of this kind are better than just one act of SHIRK which is wide spread in Pakistan.

Shirk is worst kind of Sin and there is no forgiveness for this sin by Allah.

But the worst people on earth are kharjies who call muslims as mushriks...............

 

[Pakistani1947]

But the worst people on earth are kharjies who call muslims as mushriks...............

[FONT=&amp]In 12:106, Allah says that majority of those who consider themselves believers are in fact, MUSHRIKEEN. [/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]012:106 And most of them believe not in Allah without doing SHIRK![/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُم بِاللَّهِ إِلَّا وَهُم مُّشْرِكُونَ[/FONT]​

[FONT=&amp]And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him![/FONT][FONT=&amp](Qur’aan 12:106)[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]اوران میں سے اکثر ایسے بھی ہیں جو الله کو مانتے بھی ہیں اور شرک بھی کرتے ہیں[/FONT]
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[Pathfinder]

My god I cannot belive the Defenders of Saudi are worst than MQM.