Can Muslims Celebrate And Wish Merry Christmas? Dr. Zakir Naik answers.

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You are telling the world not say Merry Christmas. Why aren't you telling the world not to use Jesus false birthday as a start of the calendar. Merry Christmas is said only one a year, but the Christian calendar is followed by the Muslims every day of their life. Isn't it also a sin ?
Read my post number 6 above. That post finishes on a question which God could ask us on the day of judgement.
If God asks us on the day of Judgement that Christians started a calendar by falsely associating Jesus as my son, and I warned you there is no sin bigger than shirk then why did you follow the same calendar ?



What will be your answer ?
 
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The_Choice

Senator (1k+ posts)
You are telling the world not say Merry Christmas. Why aren't you telling the world not to use Jesus false birthday as a start of the calendar. Merry Christmas is said only one a year, but the Christian calendar is followed by the Muslims every day of their life. Isn't it also a sin ?
Read my post number 6 above. That post finishes on a question which God could ask us on the day of judgement. What will be your answer ?
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You are telling the world not say Merry Christmas. Why aren't you telling the world not to use Jesus false birthday as a start of the calendar. Merry Christmas is said only one a year, but the Christian calendar is followed by the Muslims every day of their life. Isn't it also a sin ?
Read my post number 6 above. That post finishes on a question which God could ask us on the day of judgement.
If God asks us on the day of Judgement that Christians started a calendar by falsely associating Jesus as my son, and I warned you there is no sin bigger than shirk then why did you follow the same calendar ?

What will be your answer ?
 

Shazi ji

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Good stuff. Muslims should stay away from Christmas. They entice Muslims with sales and lighting on Christmas. Muslims should stay in their homes or work during Christmas.
Most MUSLIMS stay home at prayers time as well and willing to celebrate BASANT
X-mad is birth of Jesus ,,, Muslims don’t celebrate but don’t make it as worst thing
 

Amal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't see any thing wrong wishing merry x-mass to fellow christians as a social courtesy and have nothing to do with their belief. What they believe is their religion and what I believe is my religion. Same way many christians wish me happy eid and also buy me presents....Ab ismein kia.
If we are so helpless that we have to follow a Christian calendar then what is wrong in passing on a greeting to a Christian for the start of the same calendar. ( which is Christmas ). Zakir Naik is telling us not to say merry Christmas but using Jesus birthday to do all the counting. Isn't it hypocrisy?

plz listen thoroughly Zakir Naik !
 

Amal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I got his message about Christmas but I couldn't find anything about Christian Calendar from Zakir Naik. He doesn't object usage of Christian calendar which starts from the birth of Jesus.

we can act only in over domain n we have answer to God , We can not change the world !
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If we are so helpless that we have to follow a Christian calendar then what is wrong in passing on a greeting to a Christian for the start of the same calendar. ( which is Christmas ). Zakir Naik is telling us not to say merry Christmas but using Jesus birthday to do all the counting. Isn't it hypocrisy?
I don't think present solar calender has any thing to do with Jesus birthday for a start. It started on I Jan, 45 years before Jesus. To celebrate and wish a merry x-mass to christians by muslims is entirely a different subject.
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't think present solar calender has any thing to do with Jesus birthday for a start. It started on I Jan, 45 years before Jesus. To celebrate and wish a merry x-mass to christians by muslims is entirely a different subject.
Oh no. So why do we write BC when we refer to a time before 2018 years ago. It means before Christ. Of course it has everything to do with Jesus birth. Otherwise you wouldn't write before Christ.
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I got his message about Christmas but I couldn't find anything about Christian Calendar from Zakir Naik. He doesn't object usage of Christian calendar which starts from the birth of Jesus.
The christian calender did not start from the birth of Jesus, it started 45 years before his birth.
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The christian calender did not start from the birth of Jesus, it started 45 years before his birth.
Also Jesus wasn't born on the 25h of December . Dates accuracy is not the point.
I just have one question.
Why do we write Before Christ if we refer a time over 2018 years ago if it has nothing to do with Christ? Why do we say Alexander the great was born in 356 BC ?
Why referring to Christ?
Also due to the relation with Hazrat Isah in urdu we call this calendar Eesvi.

Also The current year 2018 is AD which stands for Anno Domini. which is Latin for “year of our Lord,” and it means the number of years since the birth of Jesus Christ. That was a little more than 2000 years ago,
Type Anno Domini. in google to see the explanation.
see the following picture
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwi7gpKckrrfAhVJFHIKHQFyDt0Q9QEwAHoECAcQBg
 
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Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Oh no. So why do we write BC when we refer to a time before 2018 years ago. It means before Christ. Of course it has everything to do with Jesus birth. Otherwise you wouldn't write before Christ.
Well the exact date of birth of Jesus is not known. If the calendar started with his birth then his date of birth should be 25 December year Zero.There is no such thing as year zero, only 1BC and 1AD. Funny if the calendar started with his birth , it should start from December 25 and not Jan 1? Hahaha
It is now believed Jesus was born in the time of King Herod the Great who died apprx. 4BC.
Give or take couple of years and you get 6-7 BC which is now believed to be his birth year. Haha funny also is the fact that 25 December is also not his real birth date but a guess only.
Mind you BC is only a reference point of time before 1 Jan 01 or after, assuming the calendar start on jusus birth which is also wrong.
Haha why don't you do a little research and you will find out that the start of the calendar has nothing to do with Jesus birth which is not known for sure!
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Also Jesus wasn't born on the 25h of December . Dates accuracy is not the point.
I just have one question.
Why do we write Before Christ if we refer a time over 2018 years ago if it has nothing to do with Christ? Why do we say Alexander the great was born in 356 BC ?
Why referring to Christ?
Also due to the relation with Hazrat Isah in urdu we call this calendar Eesvi.

Also The current year 2018 is AD which stands for Anno Domini. which is Latin for “year of our Lord,” and it means the number of years since the birth of Jesus Christ. That was a little more than 2000 years ago,
Type Anno Domini. in google to see the explanation.
see the following picture
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwi7gpKckrrfAhVJFHIKHQFyDt0Q9QEwAHoECAcQBg
Well I gave my opinion in my last post and will only talk about BC/AD time before or after jesus. The guy who developed the way we count time was a 6 century monk named Dionysius Exiguus who apparently thought Jesus was born in 1BC. Today most think this date is a bit too late. Evidence now support a date a few years earlier. For a little more than a century the idea has been popular that Jesus was born in 6-7BC
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Well I gave my opinion in my last post and will only talk about BC/AD time before or after jesus. The guy who developed the way we count time was a 6 century monk named Dionysius Exiguus who apparently thought Jesus was born in 1BC. Today most think this date is a bit too late. Evidence now support a date a few years earlier. For a little more than a century the idea has been popular that Jesus was born in 6-7BC
You said " You don't wanna talk about BC/AD time " Why not.
How about Eesvi. Why do we call Eesvi in Urdu to the calendar ? Hijra to Muslim Calendar and eesvi to the Christian calendar.
,why Essvi if it has nothing to do With Hazrat Isah ?
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is a pointless argument... These calendars are based on religions... The Jewish Calendar used in Israel, Muslim Calendar in some Muslim countries and Gregorian Calendar by Christians.

The actual birth date of Christ is irrelevant. According to Historians, Christ never existed and is a myth. There is no historic mention of him outside of the Christian bible. Most of his description in the bible is identical to Gods from other religions and points to a plagiarism.

Bible is not a historical book, the authors are unidentified and was written decades/centuries after the purported age of Christ. The Romans kept extensive records of events during their times, there is no mention of a Jew walking on water and performing miracles that defy laws of physics. Its just a mythical marriage of monotheism with European Paganism that involves human sacrifice with bits and pieces plagiarized from other religions in the region.

You said " You don't wanna talk about BC/AD time " Why not.
How about Eesvi. Why do we call Eesvi in Urdu to the calendar ? Hijra to Muslim Calendar and eesvi to the Christian calendar.
,why Essvi if it has nothing to do With Hazrat Isah ?
 
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Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
You said " You don't wanna talk about BC/AD time " Why not.
How about Eesvi. Why do we call Eesvi in Urdu to the calendar ? Hijra to Muslim Calendar and eesvi to the Christian calendar.
,why Essvi if it has nothing to do With Hazrat Isah ?
O come on man! When did I say I dont wanna talk about BC/AD time? As a matter of fact I just did only that in my previous post. My argument suggest the present calendar did not start on Jesus birth. Even christian scholars now saying Jesus was born 6-7 years earlier than the calendar started.
You can call it christian calendar, eesvi or whatever and rightly so as it was developed and lately revised by christians but fact still remains that it did not start on jesus birth date which occurred 6-7 years earlier.
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is a pointless argument... These calendars are based on religions... The Jewish Calendar used in Israel, Muslim Calendar in some Muslim countries and Gregorian Calendar by Christians.

The actual birth date of Christ is irrelevant. According to Historians, Christ never existed and is a myth. There is no historic mention of him outside of the Christian bible. Most of his description in the bible is identical to Gods from other religions and points to a plagiarism.

Bible is not a historical book, the authors are unidentified and was written decades/centuries after the purported age of Christ. The Romans kept extensive records of events during their times, there is no mention of a Jew walking on water and performing miracles that defy laws of physics. Its just a mythical marriage of monotheism with European Paganism that involves human sacrifice with bits and pieces plagiarized from other religions in the region.
You wrote that " These calendars are based on religions. The Jewish Calendar used in Israel, Muslim Calendar in some Muslim countries and Gregorian Calendar by Christians. " You also wrote "The actual birth date of Christ is irrelevant. "
This is what I have been trying to convince Saboo in the lasts posts.
A lot of historians have written that a real Jesus might have never existed. Like Socrates might have never existed. But my point was, if Marry Christmas is blasphemy then why following Christian calendar is not. Any way Thank you for your post. I tried my best , I gave examples of BC , AD, Eesvi ( because of Issah) but he ignored intentionally all of these facts and didn't move from the actual time of birth of Christ :)
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
O come on man! When did I say I dont wanna talk about BC/AD time? As a matter of fact I just did only that in my previous post. My argument suggest the present calendar did not start on Jesus birth. Even christian scholars now saying Jesus was born 6-7 years earlier than the calendar started.
You can call it christian calendar, eesvi or whatever and rightly so as it was developed and lately revised by christians but fact still remains that it did not start on jesus birth date which occurred 6-7 years earlier.
I would like you to read post #37 by Vitamin _C.
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
This is a pointless argument... These calendars are based on religions... The Jewish Calendar used in Israel, Muslim Calendar in some Muslim countries and Gregorian Calendar by Christians.

The actual birth date of Christ is irrelevant. According to Historians, Christ never existed and is a myth. There is no historic mention of him outside of the Christian bible. Most of his description in the bible is identical to Gods from other religions and points to a plagiarism.

Bible is not a historical book, the authors are unidentified and was written decades/centuries after the purported age of Christ. The Romans kept extensive records of events during their times, there is no mention of a Jew walking on water and performing miracles that defy laws of physics. Its just a mythical marriage of monotheism with European Paganism that involves human sacrifice with bits and pieces plagiarized from other religions in the region.
I agree mostly to what you are saying except that you said there was no historic mention of Jesus outside of the christian bible which is not true. As a matter of fact Quran mentioned him quite a few times, his birth, death and that he was neither killed nor crucified. There is a whole chapter named after his mother Mary.
 

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