Can Muslims Celebrate And Wish Merry Christmas? Dr. Zakir Naik answers.

[Saboo]

You wrote that " These calendars are based on religions. The Jewish Calendar used in Israel, Muslim Calendar in some Muslim countries and Gregorian Calendar by Christians. " You also wrote "The actual birth date of Christ is irrelevant. "
This is what I have been trying to convince Saboo in the lasts posts.
A lot of historians have written that a real Jesus might have never existed. Like Socrates might have never existed. But my point was, if Marry Christmas is blasphemy then why following Christian calendar is not. Any way Thank you for your post. I tried my best , I gave examples of BC , AD, Eesvi ( because of Issah) but he ignored intentionally all of these facts and didn't move from the actual time of birth of Christ :)

Hahaha! And now you are complaining to a third person about me? What non-sense!!
I did not ignore any of your points and answered them to the best of my knowledge. And when did you make that point that if Merry Xmass ( haha not Marry) was blasphemy then why following christian calendar is not? This is the first time I am hearing about it.
Anyways my only argument was to prove you wrong in saying that the christian calendar started on Jesus birth. It was not and I gave my arguments about it. Now if you agree with me or not it does not matter...I made my point.

 

[Saboo]

I would like you to read post #37 by Vitamin _C.

No thank you! You read it yourself!! :LOL:

 

[Vitamin_C]

Quran was written after the Bible which makes it irrelevant source to confirm or deny the historicity of Jesus. By historical documents, I mean Eye witness accounts, writings of historians from that time, mentions in official records of Romans, or even an indirect mention of a man doing miracles... There is nothing which we can study or verify the existence of Jesus. Look at any person in history from Muhammad, Alexander the Great, Julius Caeser you will find independent documents, from Roman letters, to mentions by poets, local historians etc at confirm their existence, you will find nothing like this when it comes to Jesus other than a holy book written decades after the fact by unknown authors filled by contradictions and plagiarisms- hardly a reliable source for historians to trust.

I agree mostly to what you are saying except that you said there was no historic mention of Jesus outside of the christian bible which is not true. As a matter of fact Quran mentioned him quite a few times, his birth, death and that he was neither killed nor crucified. There is a whole chapter named after his mother Mary.

 

[Saboo]

You are telling the world not say Merry Christmas. Why aren't you telling the world not to use Jesus false birthday as a start of the calendar. Merry Christmas is said only one a year, but the Christian calendar is followed by the Muslims every day of their life. Isn't it also a sin ?
Read my post number 6 above. That post finishes on a question which God could ask us on the day of judgement.
If God asks us on the day of Judgement that Christians started a calendar by falsely associating Jesus as my son, and I warned you there is no sin bigger than shirk then why did you follow the same calendar ?


What will be your answer ?

Oh man! What non-sense!! You are making some of the most stupid arguments I have ever come across! You honestly believe God will punish you only because you use a calendar made by christians who believe Jesus to be son of God? If this is the case, what about all other gadgets you use daily made by christians? Computers, TVs, Phones, Aeroplanes, Medicine???
Haha stop using all that immediately to avoid hell fire, and start inventing yourself the things you need. BTW what did you invent so far???? Hahaha
Also if christains are doing shirk by making Jesus a son of God, how is it shirk for you? Do you believe that too?

 

[Saboo]

Quran was written after the Bible which makes it irrelevant source to confirm or deny the historicity of Jesus. By historical documents, I mean Eye witness accounts, writings of historians from that time, mentions in official records of Romans, or even an indirect mention of a man doing miracles... There is nothing which we can study or verify the existence of Jesus. Look at any person in history from Muhammad, Alexander the Great, Julius Caeser you will find independent documents, from Roman letters, to mentions by poets, local historians etc at confirm their existence, you will find nothing like this when it comes to Jesus other than a holy book written decades after the fact by unknown authors filled by contradictions and plagiarisms- hardly a reliable source for historians to trust.

Are you saying Quran is not an authentic source of information and guidance to confirm or deny the true nature of things and the history of man kind? Are you even a muslim?
Sorry I don't like to talk to people like you!

 

[Ayaz Ahmed]

Christians believe that Jesus is the son of GOD. They celebrate his birthday as Christmas. Which is prohibited for Muslims. But Christians also started a calendar since the birth of Jesus, Which Zakir Naik also uses. See the bottom of the computer there is a date 24 December 2018. It means it has been 2018 years since Christians started celebrating birth of Jesus as a son of God. Have you ever seen a Christian using our Prophet Muhammad PBUH Hijra, calendar in the west ? Why can't Zakir Naik stop using Christian calendar which reminds us Christians 'false relation of Jesus with God ? Isn't it blasphemy ? Wouldn't God ask us on the day of Judgement that Christians started a calendar by falsely associating Jesus as my son, and you Muslims followed the same calendar ?

illogical comment and non-sense only.

in the world there are lot of calendars like Hebrew, Iranian, Buddhist, Japanese, Chinese, Hindu, it depends on states which calendar they follow officially, in KSA govt: using Hijra Calendar.

By the way muslims always follow Hijra Calendar for remembrance of holy months.

 

[Vitamin_C]

No thats not my argument... I am saying that Historians who verify historical claims look at independently verifiable historical sources and evidence... This does not include books that were written a significant time after the event has taken place.

And besides whats with the bigotry? Are you aware that there over 6 billion people who do not share your beliefs about Quran, are you not going to talk to them either?

Are you saying Quran is not an authentic source of information and guidance to confirm or deny the true nature of things and the history of man kind? Are you even a muslim?
Sorry I don't like to talk to people like you!

 

[Cyber_Security]

Well the exact date of birth of Jesus is not known. If the calendar started with his birth then his date of birth should be 25 December year Zero.There is no such thing as year zero, only 1BC and 1AD. Funny if the calendar started with his birth , it should start from December 25 and not Jan 1? Hahaha
It is now believed Jesus was born in the time of King Herod the Great who died apprx. 4BC.
Give or take couple of years and you get 6-7 BC which is now believed to be his birth year. Haha funny also is the fact that 25 December is also not his real birth date but a guess only.
Mind you BC is only a reference point of time before 1 Jan 01 or after, assuming the calendar start on jusus birth which is also wrong.
Haha why don't you do a little research and you will find out that the start of the calendar has nothing to do with Jesus birth which is not known for sure!

illogical comment and non-sense only.

in the world there are lot of calendars like Hebrew, Iranian, Buddhist, Japanese, Chinese, Hindu, it depends on states which calendar they follow officially, in KSA govt: using Hijra Calendar.

By the way muslims always follow Hijra Calendar for remembrance of holy months.

You wrote
" illogical comment and non-sense only. "
explain me how ?
How long has it been since Pakistan got independence ? How old was QuaideAzam when he passed away. How old is Imran Khan ?
The Answers are 71, 72, and 66 respectively.
We used Christian Calendar to answer the above questions.
We use this calendar for all of our daily life
Now could you please answer the same question in Hijra.
The 3 Questions are

How long has it been since Pakistan got independence ? How old was QuaideAzam when he passed away. How old is Imran Khan ?

I want to see the answers in Hijra , Can you do it ?


You wrote
" in the world there are lot of calendars like Hebrew, Iranian, Buddhist, Japanese, Chinese, Hindu, it depends on states which calendar they follow officially " right, Then why do Muslims of Pakistan use a calendar which starts from the birth of Jesus. If someone asks you , your age, will you answer in Hijra Calendar ?
Why don't we Muslims use Hijra Calendar? Asking this is nonsense ?
You also wrote
" By the way muslims always follow Hijra Calendar for remembrance of holy months. "

That's right, Muslim hijra month is only for remembrance of Holy month or getting married. For telling the world our age, when we get married , we tell the other family our age in Christian Calendar, If you ask what date is today, we respond in the Christian calendar. When we die our age is written in the Christian Calendar on the grave.
My Christian friend had asked me Why you Muslims do not use your own calendar for daily activities ? I should have said , nonsense .
Before you call nonsense to a question, how about giving a thought first .

 

[Ayaz Ahmed]

You wrote
" illogical comment and non-sense only. "
explain me how ?
How long has it been since Pakistan got independence ? How old was QuaideAzam when he passed away. How old is Imran Khan ?
The Answers are 71, 72, and 66 respectively.
We used Christian Calendar to answer the above questions.
We use this calendar for all of our daily life
Now could you please answer the same question in Hijra.
The 3 Questions are

How long has it been since Pakistan got independence ? How old was QuaideAzam when he passed away. How old is Imran Khan ?

I want to see the answers in Hijra , Can you do it ?


You wrote
" in the world there are lot of calendars like Hebrew, Iranian, Buddhist, Japanese, Chinese, Hindu, it depends on states which calendar they follow officially " right, Then why do Muslims of Pakistan use a calendar which starts from the birth of Jesus. If someone asks you , your age, will you answer in Hijra Calendar ?
Why don't we Muslims use Hijra Calendar? Asking this is nonsense ?
You also wrote
" By the way muslims always follow Hijra Calendar for remembrance of holy months. "

That's right, Muslim hijra month is only for remembrance of Holy month or getting married. For telling the world our age, when we get married , we tell the other family our age in Christian Calendar, If you ask what date is today, we respond in the Christian calendar. When we die our age is written in the Christian Calendar on the grave.
My Christian friend had asked me Why you Muslims do not use your own calendar for daily activities ? I should have said , nonsense .
Before you call nonsense to a question, how about giving a thought first .

I am as Pakistani bound to obey Govt: laws, decisions and policies, in whole Muslim world Friday is holiday, but in Pakistan I am bound to obey Pakistani Govt: decision which says Sunday is holiday, and Sunday is Christians holiday, like Jews have Saturday their Holiday.

Interest or profit is forbidden in islam but somehow we are stuck in interest based banking system.

so this is not an individual act to follow something, somewhere we are bound to obey which we don't like personally or our religion not allowing us to follow.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I am as Pakistani bound to obey Govt: laws, decisions and policies, in whole Muslim world Friday is holiday, but in Pakistan I am bound to obey Pakistani Govt: decision which says Sunday is holiday, and Sunday is Christians holiday, like Jews have Saturday their Holiday.

Interest or profit is forbidden in islam but somehow we are stuck in interest based banking system.

so this is not an individual act to follow something, somewhere we are bound to obey which we don't like personally or our religion not allowing us to follow.

Now , this is the perfect response.
That was exactly my point. Zakir Naik tells us that merry Christmas greetings are kufer but following a calendar which starts from Jesus birth is not. By the way government doesn't stop us to follow hijra calendar completely. I keep a record and if you had asked me the above 3 questions I would have responded. I keep a record of hijri calendar, which is not very hard.

 

[Saboo]

illogical comment and non-sense only.

in the world there are lot of calendars like Hebrew, Iranian, Buddhist, Japanese, Chinese, Hindu, it depends on states which calendar they follow officially, in KSA govt: using Hijra Calendar.

By the way muslims always follow Hijra Calendar for remembrance of holy months.

Hahaha! To aap bhi issi nateejay par punhchay jispar mein?...:LOL:
He is a classic non-sensical, illogical humanoid! Don't you agree?:ROFLMAO: