Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

lets do an exchange program. send him to india and we will send you Zakir naik. how is that for a deal?

That would be the best, best deal pakistan have ever made.

 

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Someone likes it or not, the truth is that Ghamdi is a Fitna.

This is your first post which i like the most. I am with you in this. Jazakallah khair

 

[siasihero]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

I will try provide you detailed answers later when I get enough time, I have read books about all of this, I will quote you correct ahadees and sources, which will take time.

With all due respect, you are only following translation of the quran, without the light of ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool, which is exactly what ghamidi is doing. Quran without ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool can be turned into any desired direction.

As far as the mujra thing is concerened, mujra/dance is solely based on music without music there is no mujra/dance, dance defined in urdu is mujra. If you dont agree then do please tell me the difference between dance and mujra?

Hidaya definately comes from Allah but Allah appoints a messenger that explains those hidaya through his words and his actions. All aspects of the life of a messenger is meant to be a role model for the rest of the ummat (which also includes the behaviour of the wives).
How would you know how to pray from the quran without the messenger of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad pbuh?

Think about this, if men are to follow Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, then whom would women follow?

You say you will not follow any one molvi blindly, which a contradiction of your own actions. By the looks of it you support ghamidi in full.

No offence ;)

Please don't run away, I don't have time!, if you have read your books than share your knowledge. In first place you should not talk about something, which you do not know. And please be reasonable and describe you sources. Maybe I am wrong and you can help me.

 

[siasihero]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

With all due respect, you are only following translation of the quran, without the light of ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool, which is exactly what ghamidi is doing. Quran without ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool can be turned into any desired direction.

As far as the mujra thing is concerened, mujra/dance is solely based on music without music there is no mujra/dance, dance defined in urdu is mujra. If you dont agree then do please tell me the difference between dance and mujra?

Hidaya definately comes from Allah but Allah appoints a messenger that explains those hidaya through his words and his actions. All aspects of the life of a messenger is meant to be a role model for the rest of the ummat (which also includes the behaviour of the wives).
How would you know how to pray from the quran without the messenger of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad pbuh?

Think about this, if men are to follow Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, then whom would women follow?

You say you will not follow any one molvi blindly, which a contradiction of your own actions. By the looks of it you support ghamidi in full.

No offence ;)

Listening is the hardest part. The person you are replying, is asking for links or source, where Ghamidi has called mujra Halal, and telling you that music is Halal unless its immoral.

 

[next2saint]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

With all due respect, you are only following translation of the quran, without the light of ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool, which is exactly what ghamidi is doing. Quran without ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool can be turned into any desired direction.

As far as the mujra thing is concerened, mujra/dance is solely based on music without music there is no mujra/dance, dance defined in urdu is mujra. If you dont agree then do please tell me the difference between dance and mujra?

Hidaya definately comes from Allah but Allah appoints a messenger that explains those hidaya through his words and his actions. All aspects of the life of a messenger is meant to be a role model for the rest of the ummat (which also includes the behaviour of the wives).
How would you know how to pray from the quran without the messenger of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad pbuh?

Think about this, if men are to follow Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, then whom would women follow?

You say you will not follow any one molvi blindly, which a contradiction of your own actions. By the looks of it you support ghamidi in full.

No offence ;)

none taken..

on doomsday i will be much worried abt my reward/punishment against my actions in this life of the world... (gives me goose bumps at times)

 

[mrbaig]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Ghamdi is great Islamic scholar.I agree with him point to point.

 

[SaadKnight]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Please don't run away, I don't have time!, if you have read your books than share your knowledge. In first place you should not talk about something, which you do not know. And please be reasonable and describe you sources. Maybe I am wrong and you can help me.

lolz. I am not running away. I can quote here but I might make a mistake of the reference. However you can also read books, after all you know how to read. Search around the internet and you'll find a lot of books, why do you want others to work for you?

Listening is the hardest part. The person you are replying, is asking for links or source, where Ghamidi has called mujra Halal, and telling you that music is Halal unless its immoral.

Yes it must be the hardest part for you (I said music is declared the voice of shaitan by Allah and His Messenger Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, but you do not know about this since you never read or heard about it, else you would not have objection, if you agree word word with brother next2saint, you can do your own effort in search of the ahadees) but I have listened to exactly what he has said. Ghamidi has not said this thing verbally how ever you can find it in his writings, see mahnama ishraaq march 2004.

none taken..

on doomsday i will be much worried abt my reward/punishment against my actions in this life of the world... (gives me goose bumps at times)

Agreed ;)

 

[H.Abbas]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

It is really unfortunate that silly people with no knowledge of religion following their illiterate mullahs are deciding if Ghamdi is Muslim or not, scholar of not. First attain education yourself before becoming God and passing judgement on other peoples religion and abilities.

Quran says: Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and the lack of moderation in our doings, and make firm our steps and succour us against those who deny the truth. Quran (3:147)

 

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Its the same thing...........

Why? Because Zakir Niak calls people towards Quran and Sunnah and he has closed your padri (dukaan). Typical sufi mentality. What level of frustration and jealousy? No matter how many resources you use you cannot stop Kalema-e-Haq from spreading. InshaAllah the message of tawheed is spreading fast and soon Allah S.W.T will eradicate darkness of shirk, bidaah and qabar parasti like He did in the holy land of Hijaz.
May Allah S.W.T protect Zakir Naik and scholars like him (Ulama-e-Haq) from the shar of iblees, mushrekeen and ahle bidaah. Ameen

 

[Mughal1]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

With all due respect, you are only following translation of the quran, without the light of ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool, which is exactly what ghamidi is doing. Quran without ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool can be turned into any desired direction.

As far as the mujra thing is concerened, mujra/dance is solely based on music without music there is no mujra/dance, dance defined in urdu is mujra. If you dont agree then do please tell me the difference between dance and mujra?

Hidaya definately comes from Allah but Allah appoints a messenger that explains those hidaya through his words and his actions. All aspects of the life of a messenger is meant to be a role model for the rest of the ummat (which also includes the behaviour of the wives).
How would you know how to pray from the quran without the messenger of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad pbuh?

Think about this, if men are to follow Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, then whom would women follow?

You say you will not follow any one molvi blindly, which a contradiction of your own actions. By the looks of it you support ghamidi in full.

No offence ;)

Dear SaadKnight, quran on its own cannot be twisted in any direction at all because there are clear rules to be followed when interpreting the quran. It is due to these rules one can easily tell the difference between wrong interpretation of the quran and the right one. If anyone tries to understand the quran through hadith then things get muddled up because hadith books are full of true as well as false ahadith.

Therefore to see which is true and which is false hadith we must first understand the quran on its own.


Also just for sake of argument if the quran can be twisted in the wrong direction then how can ahadith stop one from doing that when we have conflciting ahdith reports? Also if ahadith can stop people from twisting the quran then does that not mean that ahadith are better than the quran because they have something in them that the quran does not?

Moreover despite having both the quran and the ahadith, sunnies, shias, brelavies, deobanies, wahabies etc etc are busy twistimng the interpretations of the quran so even both the quran and the ahadith together have failed to stop people from twisting the interpretations of the quran. So what we do now? May be become muqallideen but yet we have different sects even due to fiqh. All this takes us back after full circle to drawing board or the quran and the rules of its interpretation.

Same is true in case of following the sunnah of the prophet. We have failed to grasp the true concept of sunnah.

This shows very clearly how mullahs have been confusing us. If we do not wake up then it suits them to keep us confused so that they could carry on using and busing us.

regards and all the best.

 

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Dear SaadKnight, quran on its own cannot be twisted in any direction at all because there are clear rules to be followed when interpreting the quran. It is due to these rules one can easily tell the difference between wrong interpretation of the quran and the right one. If anyone tries to understand the quran through hadith then things get muddled up because hadith books are full of true as well as false ahadith.

Therefore to see which is true and which is false hadith we must first understand the quran on its own.


Also just for sake of argument if the quran can be twisted in the wrong direction then how can ahadith stop one from doing that when we have conflciting ahdith reports? Also if ahadith can stop people from twisting the quran then does that not mean that ahadith are better than the quran because they have something in them that the quran does not?

Moreover despite having both the quran and the ahadith, sunnies, shias, brelavies, deobanies, wahabies etc etc are busy twistimng the interpretations of the quran so even both the quran and the ahadith together have failed to stop people from twisting the interpretations of the quran. So what we do now? May be become muqallideen but yet we have different sects even due to fiqh. All this takes us back after full circle to drawing board or the quran and the rules of its interpretation.

Same is true in case of following the sunnah of the prophet. We have failed to grasp the true concept of sunnah.

This shows very clearly how mullahs have been confusing us. If we do not wake up then it suits them to keep us confused so that they could carry on using and busing us.

regards and all the best.

Neither the holy Quran contradicts itself nor sahih ahadith and sahih ahadith also do not contradict with each other. If someone misunderstands or misinterprets Quran or ahadith because of ignorance or for personal gains then its his fault. Remember sahab-e-kiram were the first audience of Quran and ahadith. They were present at the time and they knew the meanings and situations in witch each ayah was revealed Therefore, we must understand and interpret the holy Quran in the same way as taught by Prophet Muhammad S.W.T. This would be a huge mistake and sin if we try to twist the meaning of Quran and/or ahadith just to satisfy our (nafs).

Yes, there are some ayah-e-mubaraka whose exact meanings are known to Allah S.W.T alone, called mutashabehat. Also there are many ayah-e-mubaraka related to physical science whose meaning the people of that time could not understood (black holes, shape of the earth, chromosomes, hydrological cycle, darkness at sea floor, human embryology and many more. With the advancement in sciences we understand its meaning today. Quran is a book of signs some times it only gives a glimpse of something (especially in the case of physical sciences) and leave its reality to be explored and researched by humans. Still there are many ayah which we can not understand at this time yet like seven heaves (sabaa samawat), jinn etc because science is still in its infancy. We hope science will develop to a stage in the future when humans would be able to understand the meanings of many such ayah. InshaAllah

I did not use the word verse for ayah because verse is not the exact meaning of ayah. Ayah is a composite word.

Allah S.W.T knows best

 

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Neither the holy Quran contradicts itself nor sahih ahadith and sahih ahadith also do not contradict with each other. If someone misunderstands or misinterprets Quran or ahadith because of ignorance or for personal gains then it’s his fault. Remember sahab-e-kiram were the first audience of Quran and ahadith. They were present at the time and they knew the meanings and situations in witch each ayah was revealed Therefore, we must understand and interpret the holy Quran in the same way as taught by Prophet Muhammad S.W.T. This would be a huge mistake and sin if we try to twist the meaning of Quran and/or ahadith just to satisfy our (nafs).

Yes, there are some ayah-e-mubaraka whose exact meanings are known to Allah S.W.T alone, called mutashabehat. Also there are many ayah-e-mubaraka related to physical science whose meaning the people of that time could not understood (black holes, shape of the earth, chromosomes, hydrological cycle, darkness at sea floor, human embryology and many more. With the advancement in sciences we understand it’s meaning today. Quran is a book of signs some times it only gives a glimpse of something (especially in the case of physical sciences) and leave it’s reality to be explored and researched by humans. Still there are many ayah which we can not understand at this time yet like seven heaves (sabaa samawat), jinn etc because science is still in its infancy. We hope science will develop to a stage in the future when humans would be able to understand the meanings of many such ayah. InshaAllah

I did not use the word verse for ayah because verse is not the exact meaning of ayah. Ayah is a composite word.

Allah S.W.T knows best

Astaghfirullah. Typing mistake with the name of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.
Read S.W.T as S.A.W. Astaghfirullah

 

[MuslimPK]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Neither the holy Quran contradicts itself nor sahih ahadith and sahih ahadith also do not contradict with each other. If someone misunderstands or misinterprets Quran or ahadith because of ignorance or for personal gains then its his fault. Remember sahab-e-kiram were the first audience of Quran and ahadith. They were present at the time and they knew the meanings and situations in witch each ayah was revealed Therefore, we must understand and interpret the holy Quran in the same way as taught by Prophet Muhammad S.W.T. This would be a huge mistake and sin if we try to twist the meaning of Quran and/or ahadith just to satisfy our (nafs).

Yes, there are some ayah-e-mubaraka whose exact meanings are known to Allah S.W.T alone, called mutashabehat. Also there are many ayah-e-mubaraka related to physical science whose meaning the people of that time could not understood (black holes, shape of the earth, chromosomes, hydrological cycle, darkness at sea floor, human embryology and many more. With the advancement in sciences we understand its meaning today. Quran is a book of signs some times it only gives a glimpse of something (especially in the case of physical sciences) and leave its reality to be explored and researched by humans. Still there are many ayah which we can not understand at this time yet like seven heaves (sabaa samawat), jinn etc because science is still in its infancy. We hope science will develop to a stage in the future when humans would be able to understand the meanings of many such ayah. InshaAllah

I did not use the word verse for ayah because verse is not the exact meaning of ayah. Ayah is a composite word.

Allah S.W.T knows best

As far as part of Quran and ahadith related to deen/ sharia (Ahkam, halal, haram, what to do and how to do, mode of worship) are clear and bright than sunlight and deen has been completed for us. (No addition no subtraction). If someone is trying to change it against established rules given in Quran and Sahih Ahadith then he is clearly following shaytan. May Allah S.W.T protect us from the path of shaytan.

Ameen

 

[SaadKnight]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Dear SaadKnight, quran on its own cannot be twisted in any direction at all because there are clear rules to be followed when interpreting the quran. It is due to these rules one can easily tell the difference between wrong interpretation of the quran and the right one. If anyone tries to understand the quran through hadith then things get muddled up because hadith books are full of true as well as false ahadith.

Therefore to see which is true and which is false hadith we must first understand the quran on its own.


Also just for sake of argument if the quran can be twisted in the wrong direction then how can ahadith stop one from doing that when we have conflciting ahdith reports? Also if ahadith can stop people from twisting the quran then does that not mean that ahadith are better than the quran because they have something in them that the quran does not?

Moreover despite having both the quran and the ahadith, sunnies, shias, brelavies, deobanies, wahabies etc etc are busy twistimng the interpretations of the quran so even both the quran and the ahadith together have failed to stop people from twisting the interpretations of the quran. So what we do now? May be become muqallideen but yet we have different sects even due to fiqh. All this takes us back after full circle to drawing board or the quran and the rules of its interpretation.

Same is true in case of following the sunnah of the prophet. We have failed to grasp the true concept of sunnah.

This shows very clearly how mullahs have been confusing us. If we do not wake up then it suits them to keep us confused so that they could carry on using and busing us.

regards and all the best.

Ya Sheikh Mughal1

I respectfully, Disagree.....

 

[mustafvi]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Why? Because Zakir Niak calls people towards Quran and Sunnah and he has closed your padri (dukaan). Typical sufi mentality. What level of frustration and jealousy? No matter how many resources you use you cannot stop “Kalema-e-Haq” from spreading. InshaAllah the message of tawheed is spreading fast and soon Allah S.W.T will eradicate darkness of shirk, bidaah and qabar parasti like He did in the holy land of Hijaz.
May Allah S.W.T protect Zakir Naik and scholars like him (Ulama-e-Haq) from the “shar” of iblees, mushrekeen and ahle bidaah. Ameen

shirk, bidaah....shirk, bidaah....shirk, bidaah.... Is it vird in najdis? And please I expect a polite answer :).

 

[Mughal1]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Ya Sheikh Mughal1

I respectfully, Disagree.....

Dear brother Saad Knight, no problem, you have the right to have your own opinion. God bless you with all the best.

 

[sahiL]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Zakir Naik is a real scholar of Islam.......

lets do an exchange program. send him to india and we will send you Zakir naik. how is that for a deal?

 

[chacha mufta]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

hazrat abubakar sideeq ne injaesay fitnon ke khilaaf thread ya qalmi fataway naheen bhaejay they.balke talwaron wale mujhdeen rawana kiey they. ghamdi aor iss jaesay doosray bedeeen humari aysi hee kamzore mzahmaton ki waja se sher huway haen.inki gardnayn (zulfiqaar)ki muntazr haen.apnay under eman aor hosla payda karo khajoor ki sookhi shakhain bi tumharay hathon maen aa kar talwaren ban jaengi.

 

[sahiL]

Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

if you can read my post again....did i say anything about Ghamidi.......u know why.....because i don't know nothing about Islam as much he knows....Zakir Naik....i listen to him all the time.....one of my favs....others are...Ahmed Deedat, Dr. Israr Ahmed, Yasir Qadhi, Yasir Fazaga, Yousaf Estes, Abdul Raheen Green, Moulana Tariq Jameel......if i want to listen, I would rather listen to one of these guys..

i agree, and since you are islam ka qila, plz take him. ghamidi is a heretic, and generally proposes non-militant solutions and strongly encourages muslims to debate, ducate and modernise themselves, so we want him.

 

[incognito]

Kia Islam Talwar se Phela hai? Javed Ghamdi

MUKALMA - PTV
Kia Islam Talwar se Phela hai
Date Oct,2011

Request for admin.
This program, is called "Mukalma" on PTV/Prime TV, here all the politicians come and discuss political issues. I think programs like theses are excellent and certainly good direction for our political system to move. We have open debate and all members get chance to speak. Then at the end audience were given chance to ask question to panel of politicians. However I find 1 hour short for these debates. Please upload full programs.