Hadith: one can marry a girl considering her wealth???help understanding this hadith

mehar

Councller (250+ posts)
yesterday i read a hadith .this hadith is quoted in both bukhari and Muslim.

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hadith says : man marries a women because of four reasons.
first reason is considering her wealth (exact words were "uss ka maal o daulat dakh kar" )
other 3 reasons are her beauty, family and her character.

i want to ask regarding first reason that is her wealth
does this really mean that one can consider women's financial status at the time of marriage??

** i am asking this because in our society it is considered very bad if a man marries a women considering her wealth, property etc(generally). or if a man marries considering the fact that a particular women is doing job and will help in running their home.
or
** if a man thinks to marry a dual national girl considering that it could help him and his family's good future. he can settle more easily.

what do you people thinks above two circumstances comes under "wealth"?? or am i wrong in understanding this hadith




 
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Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
yesterday i read a hadith .this hadith is quoted in both bukhari and muslim.

hadith says : man marries a women because of four reasons.
first reason is considering her wealth (exact words were "uss ka maal o daulat dakh kar" )
other 3 reasons are her beauty, family and her character.

i want to ask regarding first reason that is her wealth
does this really mean that one can consider women's financial status at the time of marriage??

** i am asking this because in our society it is considered very bad if a man marries a women considering her wealth, property etc(generally). or if a man marries considering the fact that a particular women is doing job and will help in running their home.
or
** if a man thinks to marry a dual national girl considering that it could help him and his family's good future. he can settle more easily.

what do you people thinks above two circumstances comes under "wealth"?? or am i wrong in understanding this hadith





the hadith is saying a man marries a woman for her wealth...it doesnt tell you to marry someone for their wealth..and you didnt quote the full hadith...I believe the rest of hadith says something like that you should marry a woman based on her good character and iman..so Allah is telling you to choose your partners for their iman and character not their beauty or wealth..
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a losers. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #62, Hadith #27)

Narrated 'Urwa bin Az-Zubair: That he had asked 'Aisha about the meaning of the Statement of Allah: "If you fear that you shall not Be able to deal justly With the orphan girls, then marry (Other) women of your choice Two or three or four." (4.3) She said, "O my nephew! This is about the orphan girl who lives with her guardian and shares his property. Her wealth and beauty may tempt him to marry her without giving her an adequate Mahr (bridal-money) which might have been given by another suitor. So, such guardians were forbidden to marry such orphan girls unless they treated them justly and gave them the most suitable Mahr; otherwise they were ordered to marry any other woman." 'Aisha further said, "After that verse the people again asked the Prophet (about the marriage with orphan 'girls), so Allah revealed the following verses:-- 'They ask your instruction Concerning the women. Say: Allah Instructs you about them And about what is Recited unto you In the Book, concerning The orphan girls to whom You give not the prescribed portions and yet whom you Desire to marry..." (4.127) What is meant by Allah's Saying:-- 'And about what is Recited unto you is the former verse which goes:-- 'If you fear that you shall not Be able to deal justly With the orphan girls, then marry (other) women of your choice.' (4.3) 'Aisha said, "Allah's saying in the other verse:--'Yet whom you desire to marry' (4.127) means the desire of the guardian to marry an orphan girl under his supervision when she has not much property or beauty (in which case he should treat her justly). The guardians were forbidden to marry their orphan girls possessing property and beauty without being just to them, as they generally refrain from marrying them (when they are neither beautiful nor wealthy)."
(Sahih Bukhari, Book #44, Hadith #674)

'Urwa b. Zubair reported that he asked 'A'isha about the words of Allah:" If you fear that you will not be able to maintain equity amongst the orphan girls, then marry (those) you like from amongst the women two, three or four." She said: O, the son of my sister, the orphan girl is one who is under the patronage of her guardian and she shares with him in his property and her property and beauty fascinate him and her guardian makes up his mind to marry her without giving her due share of the wedding money and is not prepared (to pay so much amount) which anyone else is prepared to pay and so Allah has forbidden to marry these girls but in case when equity is observed as regards the wedding money and they are prepared to pay them the full amount of the wedding money and Allah commanded to marry other women besides them according to the liking of their heart. 'Urwa reported that 'A'isha said that people began to seek verdict from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) after the revelation of this verse about them (orphan girls) and Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this verse:" They asked thee verdict about women; say: Allah gives verdict to you in regard to them and what is recited to you in the Book about orphan woman, whom you give not what is ordained for them while you like to marry them" (iv. 126). She said: The wording of Allah" what is recited to you" in the Book means the first verse, i. e." if you fear that you may not be able to observe equity in case of an orphan woman, marry what you like in case of woman" (iv. 3). 'A'isha said: (And as for this verse [iv. 126], i. e. and you intend" to marry one of them from amongst the orphan girls" it pertains to one who is in charge (of orphans) having small amount of wealth and less beauty and they have been forbidden that they should marry what they like of her wealth and beauty out of the orphan girls, but with equity, because of their disliking for them. (Sahih Muslim, Book #043, Hadith #7156)
 

mehar

Councller (250+ posts)
the hadith is saying a man marries a woman for her wealth...it doesnt tell you to marry someone for their wealth..and you didnt quote the full hadith...I believe the rest of hadith says something like that you should marry a woman based on her good character and iman..so Allah is telling you to choose your partners for their iman and character not their beauty or wealth..

yes. u r rite.hadith says that important of all this(beauty,wealth,character,aiman) is her aiman . but it does not says other things are wrong .
women are also advised to foremost consider aiman when marrying a men
 
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mehar

Councller (250+ posts)
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a losers. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #62, Hadith #27)

Narrated 'Urwa bin Az-Zubair: That he had asked 'Aisha about the meaning of the Statement of Allah: "If you fear that you shall not Be able to deal justly With the orphan girls, then marry (Other) women of your choice Two or three or four." (4.3) She said, "O my nephew! This is about the orphan girl who lives with her guardian and shares his property. Her wealth and beauty may tempt him to marry her without giving her an adequate Mahr (bridal-money) which might have been given by another suitor. So, such guardians were forbidden to marry such orphan girls unless they treated them justly and gave them the most suitable Mahr; otherwise they were ordered to marry any other woman." 'Aisha further said, "After that verse the people again asked the Prophet (about the marriage with orphan 'girls), so Allah revealed the following verses:-- 'They ask your instruction Concerning the women. Say: Allah Instructs you about them And about what is Recited unto you In the Book, concerning The orphan girls to whom You give not the prescribed portions and yet whom you Desire to marry..." (4.127) What is meant by Allah's Saying:-- 'And about what is Recited unto you is the former verse which goes:-- 'If you fear that you shall not Be able to deal justly With the orphan girls, then marry (other) women of your choice.' (4.3) 'Aisha said, "Allah's saying in the other verse:--'Yet whom you desire to marry' (4.127) means the desire of the guardian to marry an orphan girl under his supervision when she has not much property or beauty (in which case he should treat her justly). The guardians were forbidden to marry their orphan girls possessing property and beauty without being just to them, as they generally refrain from marrying them (when they are neither beautiful nor wealthy)."
(Sahih Bukhari, Book #44, Hadith #674)

'Urwa b. Zubair reported that he asked 'A'isha about the words of Allah:" If you fear that you will not be able to maintain equity amongst the orphan girls, then marry (those) you like from amongst the women two, three or four." She said: O, the son of my sister, the orphan girl is one who is under the patronage of her guardian and she shares with him in his property and her property and beauty fascinate him and her guardian makes up his mind to marry her without giving her due share of the wedding money and is not prepared (to pay so much amount) which anyone else is prepared to pay and so Allah has forbidden to marry these girls but in case when equity is observed as regards the wedding money and they are prepared to pay them the full amount of the wedding money and Allah commanded to marry other women besides them according to the liking of their heart. 'Urwa reported that 'A'isha said that people began to seek verdict from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) after the revelation of this verse about them (orphan girls) and Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this verse:" They asked thee verdict about women; say: Allah gives verdict to you in regard to them and what is recited to you in the Book about orphan woman, whom you give not what is ordained for them while you like to marry them" (iv. 126). She said: The wording of Allah" what is recited to you" in the Book means the first verse, i. e." if you fear that you may not be able to observe equity in case of an orphan woman, marry what you like in case of woman" (iv. 3). 'A'isha said: (And as for this verse [iv. 126], i. e. and you intend" to marry one of them from amongst the orphan girls" it pertains to one who is in charge (of orphans) having small amount of wealth and less beauty and they have been forbidden that they should marry what they like of her wealth and beauty out of the orphan girls, but with equity, because of their disliking for them. (Sahih Muslim, Book #043, Hadith #7156)


what i read is hadith says that important of all this(beauty,wealth,character,aiman) is her aiman . but it does not says other things are wrong .
women are also advised to foremost consider aiman when marrying a men
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
yes hadith says that important of all this is his aiman . but it does not says other things are wrong .

same is for vice versa .means if a women marries a man foremost thing considered is aiman .

no, it doesnt..dear Allah knows a man's limitations...people have been marrying for wealth and beauty since the beginning of time and will continue to do so till the day of judgeship..its in our nature...we are attracted to beauty and wealth..We have been told what kind of marriage will be the most beneficial to us...that is important...
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
yesterday i read a hadith .this hadith is quoted in both bukhari and Muslim.

images




hadith says : man marries a women because of four reasons.
first reason is considering her wealth (exact words were "uss ka maal o daulat dakh kar" )
other 3 reasons are her beauty, family and her character.

i want to ask regarding first reason that is her wealth
does this really mean that one can consider women's financial status at the time of marriage??

** i am asking this because in our society it is considered very bad if a man marries a women considering her wealth, property etc(generally). or if a man marries considering the fact that a particular women is doing job and will help in running their home.
or
** if a man thinks to marry a dual national girl considering that it could help him and his family's good future. he can settle more easily.

what do you people thinks above two circumstances comes under "wealth"?? or am i wrong in understanding this hadith





quote full hadyt then build an argument..............specifically in this scenario it never says that you can marry or you shd marry considering wealth of a women it only says that people practice such ways of marriage
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
If before any Hadith or any other Book, one may have checked Quran, then it should be
clear that :First and foremost condition is "Marry the woman whom you like" (means that
a lady whom you like as a lady. The second condition is that she should not be Mushrika
(Oh man, the second condition gets the carpet under the feet, many can slip). Anyhow,
leaving aside Quran, you people first go towards Hadiths, then wander around here and there.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The first thing we should look for when marrying is how committed the person is to Islam. Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi was sallam) said, "A woman is normally sought as a wife for her wealth, beauty, nobility, or religiousness (adherence to Islam), but choose a religious woman and you will prosper. " (Muslim) And he said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. You should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a loser. "(Bukhari) And he said, "The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman. " (Muslim)

Let's break the first hadith down.
"A woman is (generally) married for FOUR THINGS..."

1) "A woman is married for her WEALTH" It is acceptable in Islamic culture to marry somebody with the same socio-economic background, in fact this is encouraged. This is not to say one richer shouldn't marry someone less wealthy; the general rule is to pair up with someone who understands your expectations. Duping someone into poverty is obviously haram, and let's not even go into those who marry for extortion, to get a visa or an invitation to the promised lands.

What wealth? = The arabic word for rich is "ghani". The majority of us are "ghani" if we own a pair of shoes, have food in the kitchen and are reading this right now, more likely than not, we are "ghani". You should check your wealth status on this interesting Global Rich List Calculator [link].

And if no wealth? = The are two categories of poverty: the "maskeen" and the "fakeer". The "maskeen" has absolutely nothing to his name, absolutely no food to last even the day. And the "fakeer" has only a year's supply of provision. Basically if you have more than a year's supply of provision, shelter and food - you are "ghani".

Marrying a woman based on the depth of her pockets is not a bad thing; but it really isn't the greatest reason for marrying. Some men will marry for help with their business, to elevate their social status, whatever, they're exceptions to the general custom. If you're able, marry a person who's on the same economic level as you, be prepared for a cutback or a promotion and humbly adapt to that change without causing a whoopla. Okay? Good.

If your marriage criteria is based on wealth, remember that it can be lost. Will your love still be there after your partner loses their financial strength?

2) "A woman is married for her STATUS" This reason splits up into two interesting sub-categories in Arabic. One is "nasab" =which is to do with where the potential partner comes from, their clan, their lineage and their history. There's this attractive idea we have of wanting to marry into 'a good family', who have good character, generosity; you see 'religious families' that you want to be part of, or secular families with ethical commitments that are morally upright. This "nasab" translates today mostly as wealth. Nasab is an old fashioned way of respecting lineage even though Islam removed this concept. Your lineage could be full of royalty or pirates, that doesn't mean you are going to act like one. It's a noble act to respect someone's heritage obviously, and note that for the Sha'fi school of thought this is a good enough reason to marry, but for Imam Malik, it isn't.

The other type of lineage is "hasab" = which is what the ancestors have done, that distinguish the potential partner. So if they write something important, if they conquer countries, if they spread truth, did they discover life on Pluto, that type of action is a "hasab". You naturally find interest in children of famous people, it gives them a type of standing amongst people, it becomes an honour. People marry rich daughters of businessmen all the time. Again this is an outward reason since it doesn't relate to the potential partner directly. It's a credible reason for marrying, it can work, but it's not the best reason or guaranteeing success.

3) "A woman is married for her BEAUTY" Marrying someone for their beauty - "jaamalee ha" - is basically love at first sight. But you can't rely on Cupid's arrow to keep that spark throughout the marriage. You can marry someone based on their looks as it's human nature to become attracted to the outward appearance as well as good actions. I like the Muslim author Ruqaiyyah Waris' ideas on physical attraction in her book 'The Muslim Marriage Guide': 'Being unduly concerned with our looks can have a detrimental effect on our marriage [...] Basically what attracts a woman most is a man's manliness (and vice versa, a woman's femininity), it may be his awkward shyness or cussed determination [...] Looks have little to do with a happy marriage".

Beauty also wins initial attraction but does not last. Seeing your wife/husband everyday, you lose that first attraction, you get used to their aging looks. Then you live with them, see them on their 'bad' days when the pretty dimpled smiles are replaced with sleep deprivation; the ephemeral nature is such that even the most gorgeous people can look weird in a different light. As you get older the wrinkles deepen, their looks fade and -pay attention here- your eyes will start wandering to other sources of beauty. See, it was a temporal love to begin with!

4) "A woman is married for her PIETY" Piety is not necessarily "religiosity"; it's also directed towards individuals who are aware of the nature of the world. Individuals who are not orientated towards the duniya, but the akhirah. People attached to their deen are not worried about accumulation of stuff, but of good deeds. Outwardly you can not show the 'trappings' of religiosity in actions, charity and so on, but in your heart you are not 100% sound. Basically, measuring someone's deen is not as black and white as it seems. Remember - the package may look 'religious', but then after you find it's all about spangles, cars and duniya'ee thinking. Rethink your 'religious' criteria and double-triple-check the potential's intentions.



"Whoever comes to you and you're pleased with their deen and character (khuluq) marry them! If you don't, there will be corruption and great harm in the earth."

Narrated by At-Tirmidhee in 'Nikaah', (#1085), a hasan hadith.


In the first hadith the Prophet (pbuh) said find a woman with excellent 'deeniha', this is the exact same criteria for a potential-fella. However, there's an addition that is especially important from the woman's point of view. It is very, very important for men to have khuluq - character, manner, etiquette. The reason is that the woman is generally in a weaker position by the nature of the majority of marriages. Being married to a man who is religious but easily angered is not a good position. As a parent you don't want to marry your daughter to a raging man. Anger is such an ugly thing that it get into a cycle of abuse, it's unhealthy. So remember ladies with singlitis, use the age-old tactic for finding Muslim men with good khuluq = get them angry, see how they react!
The second part to Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) guidance warns us: if we don't marry on a good foundation, there will be fitnah (tribulation)! Islam's essence for us as Muslims is that for our success to blossom, we need ideal surroundings. However, for whatever social hinderances, marriage has become a long drawn out stressful state which many of us avoid. Society must revolutionise the way it facilitates marriages for Muslims. Muslim communities are environmental forces that shape the way we think and speak; so for us to pick the right potentials for marriage, we need our Muslim communities to bring back the spiritual security. InshaAllah.
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
There are only three conditions in Quran:
a) lady should be of the choice of man (He must like her as lady);
b) She should not be a Mushrika (Idolator);
c) If cannot marry "Mushniha" (Free & Indpendent Lady), then he
can marry to a lady who is slave(financially & socially); but with
first two conditions fulfilled;
Quran, the Ultimate Guidance for mankind.
 

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