Kya Namaz me sirf Farz Parh Lena Kafi Hai ? Sunnat Mokadda Lazmi ?

[Citizen X]

People must learn how to read the quran properly for its proper understanding otherwise they will remain confused. For example, the quran claims to be consistent and free of discrepancies yet anyone can see it contains many verses which contradict each other, so how can the quran be accepted free of contradictions? The answer is simple, look for verses in the quran which remove these contradictions. For example, the quran tells its followers to kill the kufaar as well as not to kill them. This is clearly a contradiction within the quran but all one has to do is to look for reasons in the quran itself as to why kufaar are to be killed or why not. Once we come to know those reasons the apparent contradiction is no longer there.

Likewise according to the quran records made by people are vitally important for humanity as well as misleading. So all we humans need to do is to scrutinise them for their truth. Once we do that successfully then man made records also become highly useful for humanity. This is why the quran repeatedly tells people to carefully observe the universe and things in it. The main undeniable fact is, all our knowledge comes from interactions with things and recording of our results. If our interaction was not vitally important with things and its record keeping then how could humanity develop or progress?

This is why one cannot accept or reject human works or records 100% but whatever we accept or reject it has to be based upon a solid criterion or yardstick. Where is this solid criterion going to come from? From our own thinking and testing ie it involves process of trial and error whereby we accept what works and reject what does not work. This is why I keep telling people use your brains and senses appropriately and you will get there otherwise there is no end to confusion.

The quran is nothing more than a book full of vitally important information from God for mankind for telling them about the purpose for which all is created by God including human beings and the way for them to live to fulfil that very purpose. Mullahs have failed to develop their minds properly so they have no idea how to make proper use of the quran and the rest of sources of information. So people should not replace message of God with human works nor disregard human works but give them both their proper place in their minds if they wish to come out of confusion.

If we look at it, historians have been developing criterion for judging history records and likewise scientists have been working on criterion for judging scientific data etc etc. All we need to do is to work on the quran for decoding its data and once we have it, we will have made discovery of our lifetime. It is because only and only the quran can provide us with a solid base to judge all kinds of information properly and that way it can bring us out of our confusion.

TL;DR

 

[Wake up Pak]

There is no point to discuss or argue with someone who has limited knowledge of Deen.
All you are arguing is in vain without any substance just the same old rhetoric.
You keep on going in circles and i have proven from the Quran what you guys couldn't counter at all and are stuck on "MURGHI KEY AIK TAANG"

If you guys want to refute these Ayats then i can't help you...

“The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you reveal and what you conceal.” (Qur’an 5:99)

"And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' " (Qur'an 25:30)

 

[Wake up Pak]

These verses are sufficient to hadeeth peddler mullahs and their followers to think and reflect....

“The words of your Lord are complete in its truth and justice. Nothing can change His words – He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but speculation – they are merely guessing.” (Qur’an 6:115-116)


“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur'an 6:114)

"We did not leave anything out of this book." (Qur'an 6:38)


"We have cited in this Qur'an every example for the people. But the human being is always most argumentative." (Qur'an 18:54)

"Say, 'I do not say to you that I have treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.' " (Qur’an 6:50)

"We have sent down to you a Book containing your message. Do you not understand?" (Qur'an 21:10)

"Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Qur’an 68:36-38)

"Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths الْحَدِيثِ to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution." (Qur'an 31:6)

"But there is a sort of person who pays for distracting Hadith حَدِيث, intending, without knowledge, to lead others away from Allah's way, and to make a mockery of it. These will have a humiliating punishment! And when Our Verses are recited to such a person, he turns away arrogantly, as if he had not heard them! as if there were heaviness in his ears! Give him good news of a painful punishment!" (Qur'an 31:6-7)

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire to each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications." (Qur'an 6:112)

 

[Citizen X]

There is no point to discuss or argue with someone who has limited knowledge of Deen.
All you are arguing is in vain without any substance just the same old rhetoric.
You keep on going in circles and i have proven from the Quran what you guys couldn't counter at all and are stuck on "MURGHI KEY AIK TAANG"

If you guys want to refute these Ayats then i can't help you...

“The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you reveal and what you conceal.” (Qur’an 5:99)

"And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' " (Qur'an 25:30)

These verses are sufficient to hadeeth peddler mullahs and their followers to think and reflect....

“The words of your Lord are complete in its truth and justice. Nothing can change His words – He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but speculation – they are merely guessing.” (Qur’an 6:115-116)


“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur'an 6:114)

"We did not leave anything out of this book." (Qur'an 6:38)


"We have cited in this Qur'an every example for the people. But the human being is always most argumentative." (Qur'an 18:54)

"Say, 'I do not say to you that I have treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.' " (Qur’an 6:50)

"We have sent down to you a Book containing your message. Do you not understand?" (Qur'an 21:10)

"Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Qur’an 68:36-38)

"Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths الْحَدِيثِ to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution." (Qur'an 31:6)

"But there is a sort of person who pays for distracting Hadith حَدِيث, intending, without knowledge, to lead others away from Allah's way, and to make a mockery of it. These will have a humiliating punishment! And when Our Verses are recited to such a person, he turns away arrogantly, as if he had not heard them! as if there were heaviness in his ears! Give him good news of a painful punishment!" (Qur'an 31:6-7)

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire to each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications." (Qur'an 6:112)

Again another automated cut and paste special, can you even read English? This must be the one billionth time I am telling you that me and you are in agreement over the hadith issue. Yet you keep banging on the same drum?

I'm seriously starting to doubt the level of intellect you posses.

Serious Question if you don't mind answering. How old are you?

 

[Wake up Pak]

I don't have any intellect all the intellectuals are Hadeeth peddlers.