EXTRACT FROM THE MUQADDIMAH OF IBN KHALDUN about arrival of MAHDI

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Ibn Khaldun (Arabic: أبو زيد عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن خلدون الحضرمي‎, Abū Zayd ‘Abd ar-Raḥmān ibn Muḥammad ibn Khaldūn al-Ḥaḍramī; 27 May 1332 – 17 March 1406) was an Arab historiographer and historian. He is claimed as a forerunner of the modern disciplines of historiography, sociology, economics, and demography.


He is best known for his book, the Muqaddimah or Prolegomena ("Introduction"). The book influenced 17th-century Ottoman historians like Kâtip Çelebi, Ahmed Cevdet Pasha and Mustafa Naima who used the theories in the book to analyze the growth and decline of the Ottoman Empire.19th-century European scholars also acknowledged the significance of the book and considered Ibn Khaldun as one of the greatest philosophers of the Middle Ages. Ibn Khaldun denies the arrival of Mahdi. In following translation of his "Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun" he critically analyses the authenticity of various Hadiths about arrival of Mahdi.


EXTRACT FROM THE MUQADDIMAH OF IBN KHALDUN:


Following is the translation of Section 51 (of the Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun) On the matter of the Mahdi and the position people take concerning him, removing the veil from all of that.

Know that it has been commonly accepted ( mashhour ) among the masses ( al-kaffah ) of the people of Islam throughout the ages that there must be at the end of time the appearance of a man from the People of the House who will help the deen and make justice triumphant and whom the Muslims will follow and who will gain control over the Islamic lands, and who will be called the Mahdi. The appearance of the Dajjal and what comes after him of the preconditions of the Hour which are firmly established in the Sahih (literature) will be right after him. 'Isa, peace be upon him, will descend after him and will kill the Dajjal or he will descend at the same time as he (appears) and will help him to kill him and then he will follow the Mahdi as his Imam in prayer. They argue in favour of this matter using hadith which the Imams published. Those who deny (the Mahdi) discussed them (those hadith) and opposed them with some other traditions.


The later Sufis have another path with respect to this Fatimi and a way of drawing indications and they probably rely in that upon the unveiling which is the source of their paths.
Here we will now mention the hadith which are narrated about this matter and what matters those who deny them have which would invalidate them, and what hadiths with isnads they have with which to oppose them, which we will follow with mention of the Sufis' words so that the sound and authentic of them may become clear to you, insha'Allah ta'ala.


We say a group of the Imams narrated the hadith about the Mahdi, of whom are at-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, al-Bazzar, Ibn Majah, al-Hakim, at-Tabarani, and Abu Ya'ala al-Mawsili, and they ascribed them to a group of the companions, for example, 'Ali, Ibn 'Abbas, Ibn 'Umar, Talhah, Ibn Mas'ud, Abu Hurairah, Anas, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, Umm Habibah, Umm Salamah, Thawban, Qurrah ibn Iyas, 'Ali al-Hilali and 'Abdullah ibn al-Harith ibn Jaz' with isnads which those who deny (the Mahdi) object to, as we shall mention, except that it is well known to the people of hadith that (the factors which cause the) invalidation (of a hadith narrator) take precedence over the (the factors which result in the) attribution of veracity (to him), so that when we find a flaw in some of the men in the isnads because of carelessness, bad memory, weakness or a bad view that will find a way (to affect) the soundness of the hadith and will weaken it. Do not say, "Similar things may affect the soundness of the men of the two Sahih volumes," because the consensus of the Ummah has been reached on accepting both of them and acting upon the contents of both of them, and in consensus there is the greatest and best protection. Books other than the two Sahihs do not have the same degree of agreement in that respect. You will find an opportunity to discuss their isnads in what has been transmitted from the Imams of hadith about that.


Abu Bakr ibn Abi Khaythamah went excessively far, according to that which as-Suhaili transmitted from him, in his collecting the hadith which have been related concerning the Mahdi, so he said, "One of the strangest of them in isnad is that which Abu Bakr al-Iskaf mentioned in his Fawa'id al-Akhbar with an isnad to Malik ibn Anas from Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir from Jabir that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Whoever denies the Mahdi has become a kafir, and whoever denies the Dajjal has become a liar'." And he said, "In The Rising of the Sun from its Place of Setting is the like of it, I think," and this is enough for excessive behaviour, and Allah knows best about the soundness of its path to Malik ibn Anas, because Abu Bakr al-Iskaf is suspected of forgery by them (the scholars of hadith).


As for at-Tirmidhi, he and Abu Dawud published, with their two isnads to Ibn 'Abbas by way of 'Asim ibn Abi an-Nujud, one of 'The Seven' Qur'an reciters, to Zirr ibn Hubaysh from 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "If there did not remain of the world anything but one day, Allah would lengthen that day until Allah would send in it a man from me, or from the people of my house, whose name coincides with my name and whose father's name coincides with my father's name." This is the wording of Abu Dawud, and he remained silent about it, and he said in his famous letter/treatise, "What he was silent about in his book is correct." The wording of at-Tirmidhi is, "The world will not depart until a man of my house will take control of the Arabs, whose name coincides with my name," and in another wording, "...until a man from the people of my house rules..." and both of them are good sound hadiths, and he related them also by a path which stops short at Abu Hurairah. Al-Hakim said, "Ath-Thawri, Shu'bah, Za'idah and other Imams of the Muslims narrated it from 'Asim." He said, "The paths of 'Asim from Zirr from 'Abdullah are all sound according to what ???? of deriving a proof from the traditions of 'Asim since he is one of the Imams of the Muslims." (What these Imams have said is) finished (here). However, Ahmad ibn Hanbal said about him ('Asim), "He was a right-acting man, reciting the Qur'an, good and trustworthy, and al-'Amash has a better memory than him, and Shu'bah used to choose al-'Amash over him if he was trying to make sure of a hadith, and al-'Ijli said, 'They used to disagree about him concerning his narration from Zirr and Abu Wa'il,' indicating by that the weakness of his narration from the two of them." Muhammad ibn Sa'd said, "He was trustworthy except that he made a lot of mistakes in his hadith." Ya'qub ibn Sufyan said, "There is some disquiet about his hadith." 'Abdarrahman ibn Abi Hatim said, "I said to my father, 'Abu Zar'ah says that 'Asim is trustworthy.' He said, 'That is not his place. Ibn 'Ulayyah spoke about him and said, "Everyone whose name is 'Asim has a bad memory".' Abu Hatim said, 'His standing with me is a standing of truthfulness, with good hadith, and yet, by that, he is not a memoriser of hadith (a hafidh).'" There are different statements from an-Nasa'i about him. Ibn Harrash said, "In his hadith there is an indefiniteness." Abu Ja'far al-'Aqeeli said, "He had nothing (said against him) but (that he had) a bad memory." Ad-Daraqutni said, "There was something about his memorisation." Yahya al-Qattan said, "I have not found a man whose name was 'Asim but that I found him to have a weak memory." He also said, "I heard Shu'bah say, 'Asim ibn Abu an-Nujud narrated to us, and in people is what is in it/her.'" Adh-Dhahabi said, "(He was) Firm (trustworthy) in recitation and good in hadith (i.e. less than his rank in recitation), and if any argues with us saying that the two Shaykhs (Bukhari and Muslim) narrated from him then we say, 'They narrated from him coupling (his hadith) with another's, not as a source (in himself) and Allah knows best.'"


Abu Dawud published in the chapter (of hadith on the Mahdi) from 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, from the narration of Qatan ibn Khalifah from al-Qasim ibn Abi Murrah from Abu at-Tufail from 'Ali from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, that he said, "Even if nothing remained of time but one day, Allah would send a man from the people of my house who would fill it with justice just as it has been filled with injustice." And even if Ahmad, Yahya ibn al-Qattan, Ibn Mu'in, an-Nasa'i and others found Qatan ibn Khalifah trustworthy, yet al-'Ijli said, "He has good hadith but there is a little bit of shi'ah in him." Ibn Mu'in once said, "A shi'ah trustworthy." Ahmad ibn Abdullah ibn Yunus said, "We used to pass by Qatan and he was rejected; we would not write down (hadith) from him." He said once, "I used to pass by him and leave him alone like a dog." Ad-Daraqutni said, "He may not be used in proof." Abu Bakr ibn 'Ayyash said, "I did not abandon narrating from him except because of the evil of his school." Al-Jurjani said, "A deviant who is untrustworthy."


Abu Dawud also published with his isnad to Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, from Marwan ibn al-Mughirah from 'Umar ibn Abi Qays from Shu'ayb ibn Abi Khalid from Abu Ishaq an-Nasafi, that 'Ali said while looking at his son al-Hasan, "This son of mine is a lord as the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, named him; a man will come from his loins who will be named with the name of your Prophet, salla'llahu 'alaihi wa sallam; he will resemble him in disposition but he will not resemble him in appearance; he will fill the earth with justice." Harun said, "Umar ibn Abi Qays narrated to us from Mutarfif ibn Tarif from Abu'l-Hasan from Hilal ibn 'Umar, 'I heard 'Ali saying, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'A man will come out from beyond the river who will be known as al-Harith, in advance of whom will be a man known as Mansur, who will facilitate or establish things for the family of Muhammad as Quraysh established things for the Messenger of Allah, salla'llahu 'alaihi wa sallam; it is obligatory on every believer to help him' or he said, '...to respond to him'."'" Abu Dawud was silent about it. He said in another place, "Harun is one of the offspring of the shi'ah." And as-Sulaymani said, "There is an opinion about him." Abu Dawud said about 'Umar ibn Abi Qays, "No harm. And in his hadith there is a mistake." Adh-Dhahabi said, "Straight (as a spear)! He has suppositions." As for Abu Ishaq the shi'ah, even if he has been narrated from in the two Sahih books it is established that he mixed things up towards the end of his life, and his narration from 'Ali is interrupted, and similarly the narration of Abu Dawud from Harun ibn al-Mughirah. As for the second isnad, Abu'l-Hasan and Hilal ibn 'Umar in it are unknown and Abu'l-Hasan is not known except in Mutarrif ibn Tarif's narration from him.


Abu Dawud also published from Umm Salamah, radiya'llahu 'anha, that she said, "I heard..." and in Al-Mustadrak by way of 'Ali ibn Nufayl from Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyab from Umm Salamah that she said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saying, 'The Mahdi is one of the descendants of Fatimah'." The wording of al-Hakim is, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, mentioning the Mahdi and then he said, 'Yes, he is real, and he is one of the descendants of Fatimah'." And he (al-Hakim) did not speak about it as being sahih or anything else, and Abu Ja'far al-'Aqeeli declared it weak. He said, "'Ali ibn Nufayl is not to be followed over it, and it is unknown except from him."
Abu Dawud also published from Umm Salamah by way of Salih Abu'l-Khaleel from a companion of his from Umm Salamah, that he said, "There will be disagreement at the death of a khalifah, so a man from Madinah will come out fleeing to Makkah, and the people of Makkah will come to him and bring him out (as a claimant for the khalifate) against his will and swear alegiance to himbetween the Corner (of the Ka'bah in which the Black Stone is) and the Station (of Ibrahim). An expeditionary force will sent against him from Sham (Syria) and the earth will swallow them up in the waterless desert between Makkah and Madinah. When people see that, the Abdal of the people of Sham will come to him and the companies of the people of Iraq and they will swear allegiance to him. Then a man of Quraysh will arise (in rebellion) whose maternal uncles are (the tribe of) Kalb, and an expeditionary force will be sent against them and they will conquer them, and that is the expeditionary force of Kalb, and there is disappointment for whoever does not attend (the division of) the spoils of Kalb. So he will divide up the wealth, and he wil act among people according to their Prophet's Sunnah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and he will throw Islam by its neck on the earth. He will remain seven years." One of them said, "Nine years." Moreover, Abu Dawud narrated it from the narration of Abu'l-Khaleel from 'Abdullah ibn al-Harith from Umm Salamah, which will make clear to you the unnamed person in the former isnad, and its men are men of the two Sahihs against whom there are no allegations or cause for slander. It has been said that it is one of the narrations of Qatadah from Abu'l-Khaleel, and Qatadah was a mudallis (who neglected to mention an intermediary in the isnad between him and the first man in the isnad, perhaps because the intermediary was less well trusted than the first name in the isnad) and he narrated his hadith using the terminology "from so-and-so from so-and-so" (to avoid saying "I heard it from so-and-so who heard it from so-and-so" and thus having to give the name of the less trusted intermediary) and the hadith of a mudallis is not to be accepted unless he declares unequivocally that he heard it (directly from the first person he mentions in his isnad who heard it directly from his transmitter, and so on). Along with that, there is no mention of the Mahdi by name in the hadith. Yes, though, Abu Dawud mentioned it in his chapters (on the Mahdi).
Abu Dawud also published, and al-Hakim followed him in it, from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The Mahdi is from me, clear-browed, crook-nosed, he will fill the earth with equity and justice as it was filled with wrongdoing and injustice; he will have seven years'." This is the wording of Abu Dawud and he was silent about it. The wording of al-Hakim is, "The Mahdi is from us, the people of the house, proud-nosed, hooked, clear (browed), he will fill the earth with equity and justice just as it was filled with tyranny and injustice; he will live like this,' and he spread out (the fingers of) his left hand and two fingers of his right hand, the index finger and the thumb, and he bent down (the other) three (fingers)." Al-Hakim said, "This is a sahih hadith according to the conditions of Muslim, and the two of them (Bukhari and Muslim) did not publish it." There is disagreement about seeking to prove something by mearns of 'Amran al-Quttan. Bukhari only published from as an extra evidence not as a primary source. Yahya al-Qattan would not narrate from him and Yahya ibn Mu'in said, "He is not strong," and he said one time, "He is not anything." Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, "I would hope that he would be (a) good (source) of hadith." Yazid ibn Zurai' said, "He was a Haruri, and he held the view that the sword could be used against the people of the Qiblah." An-Nasa'i said, "Weak." Abu 'Ubaidah al-Ajiri said, "I asked Abu Dawud about him and he said, '(He was) One of the companions of al-Hasan (al-Basri) and I have not heard anything but good about him.' Another time I heard him mention him and he said, 'Weak. He gave a severe fatwa about Ibrahim ibn 'Abdullah ibn Hasan (who contended for the Khalifate and took up arms against the Abbasids and was killed), in which there was spilling of blood'."


At-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim all published from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri by way of Zayd al-'Ammi from Abu Sadeeq an-Naji from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri that he said, "We were afraid that things might happen, so we asked the Prophet of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ...


'In my Ummah there will be the Mahdi; he will come out and live five, seven or nine,'" Zayd was the one who was not sure. He said, "We said, 'What is that?' He said, 'Years.' He said, 'So he will come to him and say, "O Mahdi, give me!" He said, 'So he will spread his garment for him as open as he can to carry it (what the Mahdi will give him)'." The wording is that of at-Tirmidhi, and he said, "This is a good hadith," and he narrated it in more than one way from Abu Sa'id from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. The wording of Ibn Majah and al-Hakim is, "There will be in my Ummah the Mahdi; if it is shortened then seven, and if not, then nine, and my Ummah will be blessed in him with a blessing the like of which they will have never heard. The earth will give its produce and nothing of it will be stored, and wealth on that day will be in heaps, so that a man will stand up and say, 'Mahdi, give me!' and he will say, 'Take'." (As for) Zayd al-'Ammi, even if ad-Daraqutni, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Yahya ibn Mu'in said about him that he was right-acting, and Ahmad said moreover that he was above Yazid ar-Rafashi and Fadl ibn 'Isa, yet Abu Hatim said about him, "(He was) Weak. He used to write his hadith and he is not used as a proof." Yahya ibn Mu'in said in another narration, "No thing," and he said one time, "He writes his hadith and he is weak." Al-Jurjani said, "One who holds on strongly." Abu Zar'ah said, "He is not strong, baseless hadith, weak." Abu Hatim said, "He is not that, and Shu'bah narrated from him." An-Nasa'i said, "Weak." Ibn 'Adi said, "The mass of what he narrates and those from whom it was narrated are weak, except that Shu'bah narrated from him, and perhaps Shu'bah narrated from nobody weaker than him." It has been said, "The hadith of at-Tirmidhi came about as a commentary for that which Muslim narrated in his Sahih of the hadith of Jabir. He said, 'The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "There will be at the end of my Ummah a Khalifah who will pour out wealth without counting it." And also the hadith of Abu Sa'id that he said, "Of your khulafa there will be a khalifah who will pour out wealth," and by another way from the two of them that he said, "There will be at the end of time a khalifah who will apportion out wealth and he will not count it'."'"


In the ahadith of Muslim, there is no mention of the Mahdi and there is no indication which would establish that he was intended by them.


Al-Hakim also narrated it by way of al-'Awf al-A'rabi from Abu as-Sadeeq an-Naji from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The Hour will not arise until the earth is filled with tyranny, injustice and enmity, and then a man will come out from the people of my house who will fill it with equity and justice just as it was filled wtih injustice and enmity'." Al-Hakim said about it, "It is sahih according to the conditions of the two shaykhs, and they did not publish it." Al-Hakim also narrated it by way of Sulayman ibn 'Ubaid from Abu as-Sadeeq an-Naji from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, that he said, "The Mahdi will come out at the end of my Ummah, and Allah will give him the rain to drink, and the land will produce its plants and he will give wealth free from defect, cattle will be plentiful, and the Ummah will be vast. He will live seven, or eight," meaning years. Al-Hakim said about it, "It is a hadith whose isnad is sahih, and the two of them did not publish it," although none of the six published anything from Sulayman ibn 'Ubaid, but Ibn Hibban mentioned him among the trustworthy and he did not relate that anyone had said anything (negative) about him. Moreover, al-Hakim narrated it by way of Asad ibn Musa from Hamad ibn Salamah from Matar al-Warraq and Abu Harun al-'Abdi from Abu as-Sadeeq an-Naji from Abu Sa'id that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The earth will be filled with tyranny and injustice, then a man from my offspring will come out and he will have seven or nine, and the earth will be filled with justice and equity as much as it was filled with tyranny and injustice." Al-Hakim said about it, "This is a sahih hadith according to the condition of Muslim since it was published from Hamad ibn Salamah and from his shaykh, Matar al-Warraq," but as for his other shaykh, Abu Harun al-'Abdi he did not publish anything from him and he is extremely weak and suspected of lying, and there is no need to publish the sayings of the Imams in which they expose his weakness. As for the one who narrated to him from Hamad ibn Salamah, Asad ibn Musa who was nicknamed Asad as-Sunnah (The Lion of the Sunnah), even if al-Bukhari said, "His hadith are well-known," and he used him as evidence in his Sahih, and Abu Dawud and an-Nasa'i sought to use him in proof, yet he said about him another time, "(He is) trustworthy; if only he did not compile (hadith) it would be better for him." Muhammad ibn Hazm said about him, "(His) hadith are rejected."


At-Tabarani narrated it in his al-Mu'jam al-Awsat in the narration of Abu al-Wasil ibn 'Abd al-Hamid ibn Wasil from Abu as-Sadeeq an-Naji from al-Hasan ibn Yazid as-Sa'di one of Bani Bahdalah from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri that he said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saying, 'A man from my Ummah will come out speaking by my Sunnah. Allah, mighty and majestic is He, will send down the rain for him from the sky and the earth will bring out its blessing and the earth will be filled because of him with equity and justice as it had been filled with tyranny and injustice. He will rule over this Ummah seven years and he will dwell at the Bayt al-Maqdis'." At-Tabarani said about it, "A group narrated it from Abu as-Sadeeq and none of them entered anyone between him and between Abu Sa'id except for Abu al-Wasil, for he narrated it from al-Hasan ibn Yazid from Abu Sa'id." Abu Hatim mentioned this al-Hasan ibn Yazid and he did not make him known for anything more than is in this isnad of his narration from Abu Sa'id, and Abu as-Sadeeq's narration from him. Adh-Dhahabi said, in al-Mizan, "He is unknown." However, Ibn Hibban mentioned him among the trustworthy. As for Abu al-Wasil who narrated it from Abu as-Sadeeq none of the six narrated from him, but Ibn Hibban mentioned him among the trustworthy of the second rank, and said about him, "He narrated from Anas and Shu'bah and 'Itab ibn Bushr narrated from him."


Ibn Majah published in the book as-Sunan from 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud by way of Yazid ibn Abi Ziyad from Ibrahim ibn* from 'Alqamah from 'Abdullah that he said, "While we were with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, some men of Banu Hashim came up. When the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw them his eyes flowed and his complexion changed colour." He said, "I said, 'We still see something in your face which we dislike.' Then he said, 'We, the people of the house, Allah has chosen the next life for us over the world, and the people of my house after me will receive trial, dispersal and expulsion until a people come from the direction of the east with whom there are black banners, and they will ask for news and will not be given it, and so they will fight and be given victory and be given what they asked, but they will not accept it until they give it to a man from the people of my house, and he will fill it (the earth) with equity as much as they had filled it with tyranny. Whoever of you reaches that let him come to them even if it were crawling on the snow." This hadtih is known among the scholars of hadith as the "hadith of the banners". Shu'bah said about its narrator, Yazid ibn Abi Ziyad, "He used to be a raffa'", meaning that he would raise unknown hadith (by ascribing them to the Prophet, salla'llahu 'alaihi wa sallam). Muhammad ibn al-Fadeel said, "One of the great Imams of the Shi'ah." Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, "He was not a hafidh (memoriser of the hadith)," and he said one time, "His hadith is not that." Yahya ibn Mu'in said, "Weak." Al-'Ijli said, "His hadith are permissible, and he used at his end to yulaqqinu* *." Abu Zar'ah said, "Soft; he writes his hadith, and a proof cannot be made by him." Abu Hatim said, "He is not strong." Al-Jurjani said, "I heard them declaring his hadith to be weak." Abu Dawud said, "I don't know of anybody who abandoned his hadith, and (anyone) other than him is preferrable to me." Ibn 'Adi said, "He is one of the shi'ah of the people of Kufah, and along with his weakness he writes his hadith." Muslim did narrate from him except coupled with others (not as an independent source). In sum, most people hold him to be weak, and the Imams have openly declared the weakness of this hadith which he narrated from Ibrahim from 'Alqamah from 'Abdullah, which is the 'hadith of the banners'. Wakee' ibn al-Jarrah said about it, "It is not anything," and Ahmad ibn Hanbal said the same. Abu Qudamah said, "I heard Abu Usamah saying about the hadith of Yazid from Ibrahim on the banners, 'Even if Usamah were to swear fifty oaths in my presence I would not believe it. Is this the madhhab of Ibrahim? Is this the madhhab of 'Alqamah? Is this the madhhab of 'Abdullah?'" Al-'Aqeeli narrated this hadith among the weak, and adh-Dhahabi said, "It is not sahih."


Ibn Majah narrated from 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, by the narration of Yasin al-'Ijli from Ibrahim ibn Muhammad al-Hanafiyyah from his father from his grandfather ('Ali) that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, 'The Mahdi is from us, the people of the house. Allah will put things right by him in one night'." Even if Ibn Mu'in said about Yasin al-'Ijli, "There is nothing wrong with him," yet al-Bukhari had said, "There is an opinion about him," and this expression is one of his technical terms which very strongly expresses his view of him as being weak. Ibn 'Adi narrated this hadith from him in al-Kamil and adh-Dhahabi in al-Mizan as a way of rejecting it, and said, "He is well known for it."
At-Tabarani published in his al-Mu'jam al-Awsat from 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, that he said to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "Is the Mahdi from us or from other than us, Messenger of Allah?" So he said, "No, he is from us. With us will Allah conclude, as with us He began. With us they will rescue from shirk* * and by us Allah will unite their hearts after clear enmity, just as by us He united their hearts after the enmity of shirk. " 'Ali said, "Believers or disbelievers?" He said, "One who is tried and a disbeliever." In it there is 'Abdullah ibn Luhay'ah who is weak, whose state is known. In it there is 'Umar ibn Jabir al-Hadrami who is weaker than him. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, "Many things which are to be rejected are narrated from Jabir and it has reached us that he used to lie." An-Nasa'i said, "He is not trustworthy." He said, "Ibn Luhay'ah was a foolish old man, weak of intellect. He used to say, 'Ali is in the clouds', and he would sit with us and, seeing a cloud, he would say, 'This is 'Ali who has passed in the clouds'."


At-Tabarani published from 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "There will be a trial at the end of time in which men will be extracted as gold is extracted from the mines, so do not curse the people of Syria, but curse their worst ones, because among them are the Abdal. Soon a rain-cloud from the sky will be sent against the people of Syria which will divide up their community, so much so that if foxes were to fight them they would conquer them. At that time one of the people of my house will come out with three banners; the one who estimates (their number) high would say, 'They have fifteen thousand,' and the one who estimates low would say, 'They have twelve thousand,' and their mark is 'Amit! [Kill!] Amit!' They will cast seven banners, underneath each of those banners a man seeking kingship. Allah will kill all of them and Allah will return to the Muslims their union, their blessing, their distance and their view." In it is 'Abdullah ibn Luhay'ah who is weak, and whose state is well known. Al-Hakim narrated it in al-Mustadrak and said, "A sahih isnad and the two of them (al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not narrate it." In his narration of it there is, "Then later the Hashimi will appear and Allah will return people to their union." Ibn Luhay'ah is not in this isnad, and it is a sahih isnad as he mentioned.


Al-Hakim published in al-Mustadrak from 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, from the narration of Abu at-Tufail from Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah that he said, "We were with 'Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, and a man asked him about the Mahdi. He said to him 'How remote from the truth!' Then he counted with his hand seven, and said, 'That one will come out at the end of time, when if a man says, "Allah, Allah," he will be killed. Allah will unite around him a wispy people like the wisps of the clouds, and Allah will unite their hearts so that they do not need anyone and do not rejoice in anyone who joins them. Their number will be as the number of the people of Badr Ð the first ones will not outrace them and the last ones will not reach them ÐÊand as the number of Talut's companions who crossed the river with him.'" Abu at-Tufail said, "Ibn al-Hanafiyyah said, 'Do you want it?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'He will come out from between these two rugged mountains.' I said, 'By Allah, I will not leave it until I die.'" And he died in it, i.e. Makkah. Al-Hakim said, "This is a sahih hadith according to the conditions of the two shaykhs." And it is only on the condition of Muslim, because 'Ammar adh-Dhahabi, Yunus ibn Abi Ishaq are in it, and al-Bukhari did not narrate from the two of them. 'Amr ibn Muhammad al-'Abqari is in it, and al-Bukhari never narrated from him as a proof but only as extra evidence, as well as what connects to that of the Shi'ah inclinations of 'Amr adh-Dhahbabi. Even if Ahmad, Ibn Mu'in, Abu Hatim, an-Nasa'i and others regarded him as trustworthy, 'Ali ibn al-Madani said from Sufyan that Bushr ibn Marwan cut his Achilles tendons. I said, "For what reason?" He said, "For his becoming a shi'ah."


Ibn Majah published from Anas ibn Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, in the narration of Sa'd ibn 'Abd al-Hamid ibn Ja'far from 'Ali ibn Ziyad al-Yamami from 'Ikrimah ibn 'Ammar from Ishaq ibn 'Abdullah from Anas that he said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saying, 'We, the descendants of 'Abd al-Muttalib, are the lords of the people of the Garden: I, Hamzah, 'Ali, Ja'far, al-Hasan, al-Husein and al-Mahdi.'" Even if Muslim published from 'Ikrimah ibn 'Ammar, yet he only did so in following (on from someone else already having published the hadith); some did declare him to be weak and others declared him trustworthy. Abu Hatim ar-Razi said, "He was a mudallis (i.e. he covered up gaps in his isnads by not mentioning mssing persons or by saying so-and-so "from" so-and-so rather than the more explicit so-and-so "heard" it from so-and-so), and he is not accepted until he declares that 'Ali ibn Ziyad heard (the hadith directly)." Adh-Dhahabi said in al-Mizan, "We don't know who he was," then he said, "The correct statement concerning him 'Abdullah ibn Ziyad and Sa'd ibn 'Abd al-Hamid even if Ya'qub ibn Abi Shaybah declared him to be trustworthy."** Yahya ibn Mu'in said about him, "There is no harm in him." Ath-Thawri spoke against him, they say because he saw him giving fatwas on some issues and making mistakes in them. Ibn Hibban said, "He was one of those whose giving was excessive, so no proof can be derived from him." Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, "Sa'id ibn 'Abd al-Hamid claims that he heard the review of the books of Malik, and people reject that, and here he is in Baghdad and no-one takes him as a proof, so how could he have heard them?" Adh-Dhahabi regarded him as one of those whom the words of those who talk against him do not injure. Al-Hakim published in al-Mustadrak in the narration of Mujahid from Ibn 'Abbas stopping short at him, that Mujahid said, "Ibn 'Abbas said to me, 'If I had not heard that you are like the people of the house I would not have told you this hadith.'" He said, "Mujahid said, 'Then it is in a veil and I will not mention it to whoever dislikes it'." He said, "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'From us, the people of the house, there are four: there is as-Saffah, there is al-Mundhir, there is al-Mansur, and from us there is the Mahdi.'" He said, "Mujahid said, 'Explain to me these four.' Ibn 'Abbas said, 'As for as-Saffah, most likely he will kill his friends and pardon his enemies. As for al-Mundhir,' I think that he said, 'He will give away much wealth and will not become exalted in himself, and he will withhold a little which is his own right. As for al-Mansur, he will be given half of the victory over his enemy which the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was given, for his enemy feared from the distance of a two month's journey, and al-Mansur's enemy will fear him from the distance of a month's journey. As for al-Mahdi, he will fill the earth with justice as it was filled with tyranny, and (in his time) the wild beasts will be secure, and the earth will cast out the pieces of its liver.' He said, "I said, 'And what are the pieces of its liver.' He said, 'The likes of columns of gold and silver.'" Al-Hakim said, "This hadith has a sound isnad, and the two of them (al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not publish it," and it is one of the narrations of Isma'il ibn Ibrahim ibn Muhajir from his father, and Isma'il is weak. As for Ibrahim, his father, even if Muslim related from him, most people regard him as weak.


Ibn Majah published fromThawban that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Three will fight at the moment of your pride, each one the son of a khalifah, then it will not go to any one of them, then the black banners will rise from the direction of the east and they will kill them with a killing which a people have not killed with,' then he mentioned a thing which I have forgotten, and said, 'So when you see him, pledge allegiance to him, even if it must be crawling on snow, for he is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.'" The men of it are the men of the two Sahihs except that in it there is Abu Qalabah al-Jarmi, and adh-Dhahabi and others mentioned that he was a mudallis, and in it there is Sufyan ath-Thawri who is famous for being a mudallis, and both of them narrated "from" so-and-so "from" so-and-so, and did not clearly state that they had heard it, so that it is not accepted. In it there is 'Abd ar-Razzaq ibn Hammam who was well-known for his being a shi'ah, and he became blind at the end of his life, and became confused. Ibn 'Adi said, "He narrated hadith about the excellent qualities about which no-one agrees with him, and which they ascribed to his espousal of shi'ism."


Ibn Majah also published from 'Abdullah ibn al-Harith ibn Jaz', az-Zabeedi by way of Ibn Luhay'ah from Abu Zar'ah from 'Umar ibn Jabir al-Hadrami from 'Abdullah ibn al-Harith ibn Jaz' that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'A people will come from the east and they will facilitate things for the Mahdi, meaning for his authority.'" At-Tabarani said, "It is unique to Ibn Luhay'ah," and we have previously seen, in respect of the hadith of 'Ali which at-Tabarani narrated in his al-Mu'jam al-Awsat, that Ibn Luhay'ah is weak, and that his shaykh 'Umar ibn Jabir is weaker than him.


Al-Bazzar narrated in his Musnad and at-Tabarani in his a l-Mu'jam al-Awsat, and the wording is that of at-Tabarani, from Abu Hurairah from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, that he said, "The Mahdi will be among my Ummah, if only for a little (time) then seven, and if not then eight, and if not then nine, in which my Ummah will be blessed with a blessing the like of which they will not have been blessed, the sky will be loosed upon them with abundant rain and the earth will not store up (and withhold) anything of its plants, and wealth will be plentiful (piled up in heaps). The man will stand and say, 'Mahdi! Give me!' and he will say, 'Take!'" At-Tabarani and al-Bazzar said, "It is unique to Muhammad ibn Marwan al-'Ijli." Al-Bazzar added, "And we do not know of anyone following him in it." Even if Abu Dawud declared him to be trustworthy and Ibn Hibban, inasmuch as he counted him among the trustworthy, and Yahya ibn Mu'in said about him, "Right acting," and he said one time, "There is nothing wrong with him," yet they disagreed about him. Abu Zar'ah said, "He is not, in my view, that (i.e. right-acting or trustworthy)." 'Abdullah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, "I saw Muhammad ibn Marwan al-'Ijli narrating hadith when I was present and we did not write them down. I intentionally abandoned them, and some of our company wrote them down from him," as if he were declaring that he was weak.


Abu Ya'la al-Mawsili published in his Musnad from Abu Hurairah, and he said, "My close friend ( khaleel ) Abu'l-Qasim, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, told me. He said, 'The Hour will not rise until a man from the people of my house comes out against them and strikes them until they return to the truth.'" He said, "I said, 'How many (years) will he possess?' He said, 'Five plus two.'" He said, "I said, 'What are five plus two?' He said, 'I don't know.'" This isnad is not used in argument or proof. Even if Basheer ibn Naheek spoke about him, and Abu Hatim said about him, "He is not used in adducing a proof," yet the two Shaykhs adduced proofs by him, and people regarded him as being trustworthy, and they didn't turn to the statement of Abu Hatim that a proof could not be adduced by him, except that Raja' ibn Abi Raja' al-Yashkuri said about him, "And there is disagreement about him." Abu Zar'ah said, "Trustworthy." Yahya ibn Mu'in said, "Weak." Abu Dawud said, "Weak," and he said one time, "Right-acting." Al-Bukhari attached to him in his Sahih one hadith.


Abu Bakr al-Bazzar published in his Musnad, and at-Tabarani in his al-Mu'jam al-Kabir and al-Awsat from Qurrah ibn Iyas, that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The earth will definitely be filled with tyranny and injustice, then when it is full of tyranny and injustice, Allah will send a man from my Ummah whose name is my name and whose father's name is my father's name. He will fill it with justice and equity, just as it was filled with tyranny and injustice. The sky will not hold back anything of its rain, and the earth wil not store anything of its plants. He will remain among you seven, or eight or nine,' meaning years." In it there is Dawud ibn al-Muhibbi ibn al-Muhrim from his father, and they are both extremely weak.

At-Tabarani published in his al-Mu'jam al-Awsat from Ibn 'Umar that he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was in a group of the Muhajirun and the Ansar, and 'Ali ibn Abi Talib was on his left, and al-'Abbas on his right, when al-'Abbas and a man of the Ansar quarrelled, and the Ansari became tough on al-'Abbas. The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, took hold of al-'Abbas's hand and 'Ali's hand, and said, 'There will come out of the loins of this one until the earth is filled with tyranny and injustice, and there will come out of the loins of this one until he fills the earth with equity and justice. When you see that, you must take yourselves to the Tamimi youth, because he will come from the direction of the east, and he is the owner of the Mahdi's banner.'" In it there is 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar and 'Abdullah ibn Luhay'ah and they are both weak.​
 

TONIC

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This is also a thought but what about all the Hadiths !! Who is Mahdi RA ? That’s the question ! Is he a super natural person ? No. Is he a prophet ? No. Is he a messenger ? No. Then question is who is Mahdi RA. Mahdi is a title given to a ruler who will emerge out of Arabia and he will be from Medina and he will be found in Mecca. He will be a just ruler and will be a Caliph. He will be the ruler when Jesus PBUH comes back from heavens to kill Anti Christ ( Dajjal -the one eye imposter) . Mahdi RA will have no miracle or he won’t perform any miracle but he will unite this Umah which is deeply divided. Ibn Khaldun made an error same error was made by Allama Iqbal and in our times it is made by Javaid Ahmad Ghamdi. Anyone who denies Mahdi RA will still be a Muslim’s as it is not fundamental or core belief of Muslims but anyone who denies that Jesus son of Marry PBUH will not come back will be classified as non Muslim as it is in direct violation of Quran. Saying that we have to remember Jesus PBUH will only come back when Dajjal will be around and ruler of Muslims (Mahdi) will be around and stuck in either Damascus or Jerusalem so second coming of Christ will only happen then and please note that Jesus will not be reborn or he will not be son of Punjabi woman (quoting Imran Hussain). Jesus PBUH was raised up alive and he will return majority of Muslims believe that he will come back and majority of christians believe that too so even democratically it is a fundamental belief of humans.

May Allah forgive all our teachers and scholars who deviated away because of lack of understanding.
 

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دنیا کے ہر مذھب میں دو مشترک چیزیں ہیں
اول : طوفان نوح . . . . ہر مذھب میں ایک زبردست سیلاب کا ذکر ہے جو برے لوگوں کو بہا لے گیا اور نیک لوگوں کو نہیں . . . . . ابراہیمی ادیان تو ایک طرف ، چین جاپان کے دور دراز کے مذاہب میں بھی ایک سیلاب کا ذکر موجود ہے


دوئم : امام مہدی : ہر مذھب میں ایک ایسے طاقتور بادشاہ کا ذکر ہے جو نیک لوگوں کے لئے ڈھال بنے گا اور برے لوگوں کا خاتمہ کرے گا . ان تمام مذھب کی پیشن گوئیوں میں حد درجہ مماثلت پائی جاتی ہے


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دنیا کے ہر مذھب میں دو مشترک چیزیں ہیں
اول : طوفان نوح . . . . ہر مذھب میں ایک زبردست سیلاب کا ذکر ہے جو برے لوگوں کو بہا لے گیا اور نیک لوگوں کو نہیں . . . . . ابراہیمی ادیان تو ایک طرف ، چین جاپان کے دور دراز کے مذاہب میں بھی ایک سیلاب کا ذکر موجود ہے


دوئم : امام مہدی : ہر مذھب میں ایک ایسے طاقتور بادشاہ کا ذکر ہے جو نیک لوگوں کے لئے ڈھال بنے گا اور برے لوگوں کا خاتمہ کرے گا . ان تمام مذھب کی پیشن گوئیوں میں حد درجہ مماثلت پائی جاتی ہے


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ان ناصبیوں کا مسلہ یہ ہے کے امام مہدی نسل فاطمہ سلام الله علیہ سے ہوں گے اوراس کے علاوہ ودود امام مہدی سے یہ انکاری اس لیے بھی ہیں جس کا مجھے خود ایک مکالمے سے ہوا ایک ناصبی سے جو الحمد للہ وہ اب ہدایت پا گیا ہے وہ خود کہتا ہے کے ہمارے شیخ کہتے ہیں کے اگر مہدی کی امامت کے قائل ہو گئے تو پھر شیعہ کے موقف کی تائید ہو جاے گی کے جب آخری کو الله بناے گا اور اجماع کی ضرورت نہیں تو پہلے کی امامت میں اجماع کس طرح ؟ ہو سکتا ہے ؟ یہ دو وجوہات وہ ہیں جن کی بنا پر ان کے لیے زندگی موت کا مسلہ ہے بندہ ان سے پوچھ کے ایک طرف یہی ناصبی ابن خلدون طبری کو قصے کہانیوں کی کتابیں مانتے ہیں اور جدھر ان کے موقف کو کچھ تقویت ملے تو ابن خلدون کو بھی مان لیتے ہیں پھر ایک اعتراض یہ بھی کرتے ہیں کے صحیح بخاری میں یہ روایات نہیں پھر صحیح بخاری میں تو قران کے متضاد روایات ہیں ان کو بھی مانو ؟ قصہ مختصر کے امام مہدی علیہ سلام کا نسل فاطمہ سے ہونا یہ ثابت کرتا ہے کے پہلے سے لیکر بارہ تمام آئمہ اہلبیت طاہرین
ہی وہ امام خلفا ہیں جن کے بارے رسول خدا نے فرمایا کے میرے بعد بارہ خلیفہ امام ہوں گے
یہ بندہ کاپی پیسٹ ہے خود سے چند سطریں نہیں لکھ سکتا ہے یہ جو اتنا بڑا پلندہ پیسٹ کیا ہسے اس کا ترجمہ اس کو بولے کر کے دے
 
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ان ناصبیوں کا مسلہ یہ ہے کے امام مہدی نسل فاطمہ سلام الله علیہ سے ہوں گے اوراس کے علاوہ ودود امام مہدی سے یہ انکاری اس لیے بھی ہیں جس کا مجھے خود ایک مکالمے سے ہوا ایک ناصبی سے جو الحمد للہ وہ اب ہدایت پا گیا ہے وہ خود کہتا ہے کے ہمارے شیخ کہتے ہیں کے اگر مہدی کی امامت کے قائل ہو گئے تو پھر شیعہ کے موقف کی تائید ہو جاے گی کے جب آخری کو الله بناے گا اور اجماع کی ضرورت نہیں تو پہلے کی امامت میں اجماع کس طرح ؟ ہو سکتا ہے ؟ یہ دو وجوہات وہ ہیں جن کی بنا پر ان کے لیے زندگی موت کا مسلہ ہے بندہ ان سے پوچھ کے ایک طرف یہی ناصبی ابن خلدون طبری کو قصے کہانیوں کی کتابیں مانتے ہیں اور جدھر ان کے موقف کو کچھ تقویت ملے تو ابن خلدون کو بھی مان لیتے ہیں پھر ایک اعتراض یہ بھی کرتے ہیں کے صحیح بخاری میں یہ روایات نہیں او کم عقلو صحیح بخاری میں تو صحابہ ستارے والی بھی حدیث نہیں شائد ؟ پھر صحیح بخاری میں تو قران کے متضاد روایات ہیں ان کو بھی مانو ؟ قصہ مختصر کے امام مہدی علیہ سلام کا نسل فاطمہ سے ہونا یہ ثابت کرتا ہے کے پہلے سے لیکر بارہ تمام آئمہ اہلبیت طاہرین
ہی وہ امام خلفا ہیں جن کے بارے رسول خدا نے فرمایا کے میرے بعد بارہ خلیفہ امام ہوں گے
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ان ناصبیوں کا مسلہ یہ ہے کے امام مہدی نسل فاطمہ سلام الله علیہ سے ہوں گے اوراس کے علاوہ ودود امام مہدی سے یہ انکاری اس لیے بھی ہیں جس کا مجھے خود ایک مکالمے سے ہوا ایک ناصبی سے جو الحمد للہ وہ اب ہدایت پا گیا ہے وہ خود کہتا ہے کے ہمارے شیخ کہتے ہیں کے اگر مہدی کی امامت کے قائل ہو گئے تو پھر شیعہ کے موقف کی تائید ہو جاے گی کے جب آخری کو الله بناے گا اور اجماع کی ضرورت نہیں تو پہلے کی امامت میں اجماع کس طرح ؟ ہو سکتا ہے ؟ یہ دو وجوہات وہ ہیں جن کی بنا پر ان کے لیے زندگی موت کا مسلہ ہے بندہ ان سے پوچھ کے ایک طرف یہی ناصبی ابن خلدون طبری کو قصے کہانیوں کی کتابیں مانتے ہیں اور جدھر ان کے موقف کو کچھ تقویت ملے تو ابن خلدون کو بھی مان لیتے ہیں پھر ایک اعتراض یہ بھی کرتے ہیں کے صحیح بخاری میں یہ روایات نہیں پھر صحیح بخاری میں تو قران کے متضاد روایات ہیں ان کو بھی مانو ؟ قصہ مختصر کے امام مہدی علیہ سلام کا نسل فاطمہ سے ہونا یہ ثابت کرتا ہے کے پہلے سے لیکر بارہ تمام آئمہ اہلبیت طاہرین
ہی وہ امام خلفا ہیں جن کے بارے رسول خدا نے فرمایا کے میرے بعد بارہ خلیفہ امام ہوں گے
یہ بندہ کاپی پیسٹ ہے خود سے چند سطریں نہیں لکھ سکتا ہے یہ جو اتنا بڑا پلندہ پیسٹ کیا ہسے اس کا ترجمہ اس کو بولے کر کے دے
لازم ہے کہ بغض علی ان لوگوں کو جہنم میں لے کے جائے گا
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بارہ خلفأ تو امویوں تک ہی پورے ہو گئے، اب کس کا انتظار ہے؟

مینارِ دل پہ اپنے خدا کا نزول دیکھ
اب انتظارِ مہدی و عیسیٰ بھی چھوڑ دے

اول : وہ بارہ نہیں تھے
دوئم : ان جیسے ہزاروں آئے اور تاریخ کے قبرستان میں دفن ہو گئے تازہ مثال ابوبکر اور عمر کی ہے
 

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Minister (2k+ posts)
بارہ خلفأ تو امویوں تک ہی پورے ہو گئے، اب کس کا انتظار ہے؟

مینارِ دل پہ اپنے خدا کا نزول دیکھ
اب انتظارِ مہدی و عیسیٰ بھی چھوڑ دے
یہی تو تم لوگوں کے گمراہ ہونے کی نشانی ہے اکثریت مانتی ہے کے وہ آئیں گے ایک نے بنا لیا جیسا کے مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی باقی لوگ بھی منتظر ہیں کچھ کہتے ہیں کے آئیں گے ہی نہیں کچھ سمجھتے ہیں کے پورے ہو گئے پھر وہ حدیث کدھر لے جاؤ گے کے وہ نسل فاطمہ سے اور اہلبیت سے ہوں گے ؟ جو آپ کے پورے ہوے اس میں تو یزید بھی ہے مروان بھی ہے آپ کو مبارک ہوں بنو امیہ کے بارہ باقی تمام شیعہ سنی منتظر ہیں ان کے آنے کے
 

Sher-Kok

MPA (400+ posts)
یہی تو تم لوگوں کے گمراہ ہونے کی نشانی ہے اکثریت مانتی ہے کے وہ آئیں گے ایک نے بنا لیا جیسا کے مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی باقی لوگ بھی منتظر ہیں کچھ کہتے ہیں کے آئیں گے ہی نہیں کچھ سمجھتے ہیں کے پورے ہو گئے پھر وہ حدیث کدھر لے جاؤ گے کے وہ نسل فاطمہ سے اور اہلبیت سے ہوں گے ؟ جو آپ کے پورے ہوے اس میں تو یزید بھی ہے مروان بھی ہے آپ کو مبارک ہوں بنو امیہ کے بارہ باقی تمام شیعہ سنی منتظر ہیں ان کے آنے کے

جس طرح یہودی آج تک مسیح کا انتظار کر رہے ہیں آپ بھی کرتے رہو، اب کسی نے نہیں آنا نا مسیح نے اور نا مہدی نے۔ دنیا کے تمام بڑے مذاہب میں کسی نہ کسی نجات دہندہ کا تصور موجود ہے، اسلام اس تصور سے بالکل خالی تھا، تو یار لوگوں نے کہا ہم کیوں پیچھے رہیں، لہٰذا زرتشتی اثرات کے تحت ایک نجات دہندہ کو گھڑ لیا۔ بیسویں جھوٹے مہدی اور مسیح آئے اور لوگوں کو گمراہ کر کے تاریخ میں گم ہو گئے، نجات دہندہ کا یہ خواب ہمیشہ تشنۂ تعبیر ہی رہے گا۔
 
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imran_hosein_fan

Minister (2k+ posts)
یہی تو تم لوگوں کے گمراہ ہونے کی نشانی ہے اکثریت مانتی ہے کے وہ آئیں گے ایک نے بنا لیا جیسا کے مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی باقی لوگ بھی منتظر ہیں کچھ کہتے ہیں کے آئیں گے ہی نہیں کچھ سمجھتے ہیں کے پورے ہو گئے پھر وہ حدیث کدھر لے جاؤ گے کے وہ نسل فاطمہ سے اور اہلبیت سے ہوں گے ؟ جو آپ کے پورے ہوے اس میں تو یزید بھی ہے مروان بھی ہے آپ کو مبارک ہوں بنو امیہ کے بارہ باقی تمام شیعہ سنی منتظر ہیں ان کے آنے کے

Makkah is and was never in history as a shiia city and makkah will never come out for a shiia imam!
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
امام مہدی کا ظہور بہت مشکوک ہے۔ قرآن مجید اور حدیث کی دونوں ہی مستند کتابوں (صحیح مسلم اور صحیح بخاری) میں مہدی کے بارے میں کوئی حدیث موجود نہیں ہے۔

ترمذی کی ایک ہے ، ابوداؤد کی ایک ہے ، ابن ماجہ کی دو حدیثیں مہدی کے نام ہیں لیکن اس شخص کو "امام مہدی" کے طور پر پیش نہیں کیا گیا ہے ۔ سنی صحاح ستہ کتب میں مہدی کے بارے میں زیادہ تر مشہور حدیث ضعیف ہیں۔
کچھ جھوٹی احادیث سنی احادیث کی کتابوں میں پائی جاتی ہیں وہ شیعہ عقیدہ تقیّہ کا شاخسانہ معلوم ہوتی ہیں - کیوں کہ شیعہ مذہب میں جھوٹ بولنا ، اپنے مقابل کے بارے میں غلط بیانی کرنا اور تہمد لگانا شیعہ شریعت کا حصہ ہے اور شیعہ کتاب کے مطابق ایسا کرنے والا ثواب کا مستحق ہوتا ہے - شیعہ راوی جھوٹی حدیث بیان کر کے ثواب حاصل کرنے کے شوق میں اس قدر آگے نکل گۓ کہ وہ کچھ جھوٹی احادیث مسلمانوں کی حدیث کی کتابوں میں شامل کرانے میں کامیاب ہو گۓ - الله کا شکر ہے کہ محدّثین ان جھوٹی احادیث کی اکثریت کی نشان دہی کرنے میں کامیاب ہو گئے


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امام مہدی کا ظہور بہت مشکوک ہے۔ قرآن مجید اور حدیث کی دونوں ہی مستند کتابوں (صحیح مسلم اور صحیح بخاری) میں مہدی کے بارے میں کوئی حدیث موجود نہیں ہے۔

ترمذی کی ایک ہے ، ابوداؤد کی ایک ہے ، ابن ماجہ کی دو حدیثیں مہدی کے نام ہیں لیکن اس شخص کو "امام مہدی" کے طور پر پیش نہیں کیا گیا ہے ۔ سنی صحاح ستہ کتب میں مہدی کے بارے میں زیادہ تر مشہور حدیث ضعیف ہیں۔
کچھ جھوٹی احادیث سنی احادیث کی کتابوں میں پائی جاتی ہیں وہ شیعہ عقیدہ تقیّہ کا شاخسانہ معلوم ہوتی ہیں - کیوں کہ شیعہ مذہب میں جھوٹ بولنا ، اپنے مقابل کے بارے میں غلط بیانی کرنا اور تہمد لگانا شیعہ شریعت کا حصہ ہے اور شیعہ کتاب کے مطابق ایسا کرنے والا ثواب کا مستحق ہوتا ہے - شیعہ راوی جھوٹی حدیث بیان کر کے ثواب حاصل کرنے کے شوق میں اس قدر آگے نکل گۓ کہ وہ کچھ جھوٹی احادیث مسلمانوں کی حدیث کی کتابوں میں شامل کرانے میں کامیاب ہو گۓ - الله کا شکر ہے کہ محدّثین ان جھوٹی احادیث کی اکثریت کی نشان دہی کرنے میں کامیاب ہو گئے


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بَقِيَّتُ اللَّـهِ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ۚ


11:86
اللہ کا بقیہ تمہارے لئے بہتر ہے اگر تم ایماندار ہو
. . . . .
ایسی کون سی چیز /شخص ہے جو صرف مومنین کے لئے خیر ہے ؟اور جسے الله نے باقی رکھا ہے؟

 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بَقِيَّتُ اللَّـهِ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ۚ


11:86
اللہ کا بقیہ تمہارے لئے بہتر ہے اگر تم ایماندار ہو
. . . . .
ایسی کون سی چیز /شخص ہے جو صرف مومنین کے لئے خیر ہے ؟اور جسے الله نے باقی رکھا ہے؟

آئیے پہلے شیعہ، اثنا عشری، کے عقیدہ کا جائزہ لیں ، یہ وہ عقیدہ ہے جوشیعہ، اثنا عشری، فرقہ کو مرکزی دھارے کے مسلمانوں سے مختلف اور دوسرے شیعہ مسلک سے مختلف بنا دیتا ہے۔
باطل عقیدہ امامت (اہل تشیع)
انبیاء کے علاوہ ، خدا کے مقرر کردہ افراد کے ایک اور گروہ ہیں جنھیں آئمہ کہتے ہیں۔ یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جو بےعیب ہیں اور ایسے علم تک رسائی رکھتے ہیں جو عام لوگوں کے ذریعہ قابل رسائی نہیں ہیں۔ دنیا کسی امام سے خالی نہیں ہو سکتی بصورت دیگر یہ تباہ ہوجائے گی۔ اسلامی سیاق و سباق میں ، یہ افراد حضور (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) کی اولاد میں سے 12 افراد ہیں جن کو مسلمانوں کی رہنمائی کرنے کے لئے خدا کے سوا کوئی نہیں مقرر کرتا ہے۔ کوئی بھی جو ان 12 کے علاوہ کسی بھی رہنما کا انتخاب کرتا ہے وہ گمراہ ہے اور مکمل مومن نہیں ہے۔ مذکورہ ائمہ کرام کی بارہویں (آخری) مہدی ہے اور وہ 1000 سال سے زیادہ عرصہ سے زندہ اور پوشیدہ ہیں۔


شیعہ مذہب کے 5 بنیادی عقائد ہیں۔ : توحید (خدا کی وحدانیت) - نبوت رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)' معاد ' عدل اور امامت۔
دوسرے طریقے سے یہ کہتے ہیں کہ وہ بعض اوقات اسلام کے 5 ستونوں کا حوالہ دیتے ہیں: نماز ، زكاة، روزہ ، حج اور امامت۔ ان کا مزید کہنا ہے کہ مؤخر الذکر (امامت) سب سے اہم ہے۔

مذکورہ بالا شیعہ عقائد میں امامت کی اہمیت کو ظاہر کرتا ہے۔ اور جب میں امامت کہتا ہوں تو میرا مطلب لیڈرشپ نہیں ہے۔ یقینی طور پر قیادت نہ صرف مسلمانوں بلکہ لوگوں کے کسی گروہ کے لئے بھی ایک اہم مسئلہ ہے۔ امامت کا مطلب مندرجہ بالا مخصوص عقیدہ امامت ہے۔

آپ نے قرآن کی مندردہ ذیل آیت اپنے باطل عقیدہ امامت کو ثابت کرنے کے پیش کیا ہے۔

(Qur'an 11:86) بَقِيَّتُ اللَّهِ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ۚ وَمَا أَنَا عَلَيْكُم بِحَفِيظٍ
الله کا دیا جو باقی بچ رہے وہ تمہارے لیے بہتر ہے اگر تم ایماندار ہو اور میں تمہارا نگہبان نہیں ہوں

بصد احترام، مذکورہ بالا آیت سے امام مہدی کی آمد یا ان پر ایمان لانا اسلام کے بنیادی عقائد میں شامل ہونا ثابت نہیں ہوتا۔


قرآن پہیلیوں کی کتاب نہیں ہے۔ خدا سے یہ توقع نہیں کی جاسکتی ہے کہ ایک عام مسلمان قرآن کی تلاش کرے اور قرآن کی آیات کا پیشہ ورانہ تجزیہ کرے تاکہ یہ سمجھے کہ اس کا اعتقاد کیا ہونا چاہئے اور مسلمان ہونے کے ناطے اس کے فرائض کیا ہیں۔ یقینا ، اس سے مزید سمجھنے کے لئے آیات قرآن کا تجزیہ کرنا بہت سود مند ہے۔ قرآن ایک سمندر کی طرح ہے۔ تاہم یہ کہنا کہ آپکا بنیادی عقیدہ صرف قرآن کا اس طرح کے تجزیہ کے بعد ہی اخذ کیا جاسکتا ہے تو یہ بات قرآن مجید کے اس دعوی کی نفی ہے کہ


"
اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے "
Qur'an 54:17
"پھر بے شک اس کا کھول کر بیان کرنا ہمارے ذمہ ہے" Qur'an 75:19
 

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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

آئیے پہلے شیعہ، اثنا عشری، کے عقیدہ کا جائزہ لیں ، یہ وہ عقیدہ ہے جوشیعہ، اثنا عشری، فرقہ کو مرکزی دھارے کے مسلمانوں سے مختلف اور دوسرے شیعہ مسلک سے مختلف بنا دیتا ہے۔
باطل عقیدہ امامت (اہل تشیع)
انبیاء کے علاوہ ، خدا کے مقرر کردہ افراد کے ایک اور گروہ ہیں جنھیں آئمہ کہتے ہیں۔ یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جو بےعیب ہیں اور ایسے علم تک رسائی رکھتے ہیں جو عام لوگوں کے ذریعہ قابل رسائی نہیں ہیں۔ دنیا کسی امام سے خالی نہیں ہو سکتی بصورت دیگر یہ تباہ ہوجائے گی۔ اسلامی سیاق و سباق میں ، یہ افراد حضور (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) کی اولاد میں سے 12 افراد ہیں جن کو مسلمانوں کی رہنمائی کرنے کے لئے خدا کے سوا کوئی نہیں مقرر کرتا ہے۔ کوئی بھی جو ان 12 کے علاوہ کسی بھی رہنما کا انتخاب کرتا ہے وہ گمراہ ہے اور مکمل مومن نہیں ہے۔ مذکورہ ائمہ کرام کی بارہویں (آخری) مہدی ہے اور وہ 1000 سال سے زیادہ عرصہ سے زندہ اور پوشیدہ ہیں۔


شیعہ مذہب کے 5 بنیادی عقائد ہیں۔ : توحید (خدا کی وحدانیت) - نبوت رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)' معاد ' عدل اور امامت۔
دوسرے طریقے سے یہ کہتے ہیں کہ وہ بعض اوقات اسلام کے 5 ستونوں کا حوالہ دیتے ہیں: نماز ، زكاة، روزہ ، حج اور امامت۔ ان کا مزید کہنا ہے کہ مؤخر الذکر (امامت) سب سے اہم ہے۔

مذکورہ بالا شیعہ عقائد میں امامت کی اہمیت کو ظاہر کرتا ہے۔ اور جب میں امامت کہتا ہوں تو میرا مطلب لیڈرشپ نہیں ہے۔ یقینی طور پر قیادت نہ صرف مسلمانوں بلکہ لوگوں کے کسی گروہ کے لئے بھی ایک اہم مسئلہ ہے۔ امامت کا مطلب مندرجہ بالا مخصوص عقیدہ امامت ہے۔

آپ نے قرآن کی مندردہ ذیل آیت اپنے باطل عقیدہ امامت کو ثابت کرنے کے پیش کیا ہے۔


(Qur'an 11:86) بَقِيَّتُ اللَّهِ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ۚ وَمَا أَنَا عَلَيْكُم بِحَفِيظٍ
الله کا دیا جو باقی بچ رہے وہ تمہارے لیے بہتر ہے اگر تم ایماندار ہو اور میں تمہارا نگہبان نہیں ہوں

بصد احترام، مذکورہ بالا آیت سے امام مہدی کی آمد یا ان پر ایمان لانا اسلام کے بنیادی عقائد میں شامل ہونا ثابت نہیں ہوتا۔

قرآن پہیلیوں کی کتاب نہیں ہے۔ خدا سے یہ توقع نہیں کی جاسکتی ہے کہ ایک عام مسلمان قرآن کی تلاش کرے اور قرآن کی آیات کا پیشہ ورانہ تجزیہ کرے تاکہ یہ سمجھے کہ اس کا اعتقاد کیا ہونا چاہئے اور مسلمان ہونے کے ناطے اس کے فرائض کیا ہیں۔ یقینا ، اس سے مزید سمجھنے کے لئے آیات قرآن کا تجزیہ کرنا بہت سود مند ہے۔ قرآن ایک سمندر کی طرح ہے۔ تاہم یہ کہنا کہ آپکا بنیادی عقیدہ صرف قرآن کا اس طرح کے تجزیہ کے بعد ہی اخذ کیا جاسکتا ہے تو یہ بات قرآن مجید کے اس دعوی کی نفی ہے کہ

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اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے "
Qur'an 54:17
"پھر بے شک اس کا کھول کر بیان کرنا ہمارے ذمہ ہے" Qur'an 75:19

قرآن کی تفسیر بتانے سے انکار سے ظاہر ہے کہ آپ کے ہاں اس آیت کی کوئی اوٹ پٹانگ وضاحت ہی ہو گی جسے بتا کے آپ شرمندہ نہیں ہونا چاہتے