کیا مندر پر حملہ کرنا، بتوں کو توڑنا غلط عمل ہے

[Lubnakhan]

Hazrat ibraheem (as) smashed the idols and placed his axe or ,whatever tool he used,near the most notable idol, when people saw the devastation in morning , Ibraheem as told them that it must have been job of the only remaining idol!!! But even the people there didn’t believe it!! Ibrahem showed them how illogical is the idea of polytheism! If an idol can’t protect itself, how can it be a God! Ibraheem always raised logical questions to his fellow people and father! He was shunned !threatened to be killed! Expelled from his own home! Ibraheem as was an extremely intelligent kid who never fathomed the idea of placing food in front of an idol that can’t be consumed by the idol!! To show that the monotheism which was being mocked by the idol worshipers was actually the only logical explanation of the existence of universe that we live in! Ibraheem broke the idols, he wasn’t an out sider or attacker, he was proving his point! And I think he did prove his point!! One must not take a story out of context ! You need not mourn for the idols, they can always be made again!!

 

[arifkarim]

Kaba was built by Ibrahim A.S at the orders of Allah the Almight. Please if you don't know anything then don't make stupid comments

So? By this logic, Jewish Temple was built by their king Solomon, so Jews today can just destroy Al Aqsa mosque that is built on the same site?

 

[Citizen X]

Mahmud Ghaznvi destroyed countless idols in India. Context?

Fuck Mahmud Ghaznvi he was nothing but a war mongering meglomaniac

 

[Anemex]

Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H Broke idols of KABA which is House of ALLAH, The most sacred place for Islam. He didn't break any other idol in any home of Makkah or any other Place of Makkah !

Also Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H asked not to break other worship places and kill other religious people even during WAR !!!

He P.B.U.H even asked NOT to say bad about the Gods of other Religions !

This clarifies Breaking idols placed in Masid is absolutely right but Breaking Idols in Mandir the worship places of other religion is absolutely Wrong,

So use your brain and try to read and understand Islamic teachings and try to understand the Prohpet's guidance !!!

Note: Mahmood Ghaznavi was not Prophet, we are not asked by Allah to Follow him !

 

[arifkarim]

This clarifies Breaking idols placed in Masid is absolutely right

Kaaba was not a mosque but pagan house of worship where idols were placed.

 

[Lubnakhan]

Mahmood Ghaznavi destroyed idols in Somnat, this was pivotal to win the war against Hindus!! Only when somnat was down , Hindus acceded and Ghaznav’s powerful regime was established! It was a war strategy! A successful war strategy!! During reign of Muslim salateen or even after that Hindus always had substantial religious freedom, they were part of royal court and Muslims amalgamated in society!! That actually laid bases of secular India!!

 

[arifkarim]

win the war against Hindus!

So it was not a political but religious war? Jihad?

 

[Lubnakhan]

Jews in Madinah constantly backstabbed Muslims, didn’t honor the pacts that they signed with Muslims , so they were driven out of Madinah!!! What else should have been done???

 

[atensari]

جس طرح ہجرت مدینہ حکمت عملی تھی، بت شکنی بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔۔ لیکن تم سیاست کے لئے مذہب کا استعمال خوب کرتے ہو، پھر شکوہ بھی

 

[Anemex]

So? By this logic, Jewish Temple was built by their king Solomon, so Jews today can just destroy Al Aqsa mosque that is built on the same site?

Suleman A.S built Bait Ul Maqadas the 1st house of Allah on Earth at the orders of Allah the Almighty. It was not a temple which jews claim, Sulaimn A.S, Dawood A.S, Ishaq A.S, Ibrahim A.S all were True prophets of Allah. If Jews betray from their Prophet's teachings and make false claims, it is their fault

All these prophets were of Islam so Jews claims is stupid.

Again try to read and understand Islam and avoid making stupid comments !

 

[Lubnakhan]

So it was not a political but religious war? Jihad?

War is but strategy!!be it religious or political!!!! It’s part of history! And how we view history , depends on perspective!!

 

[arifkarim]

جس طرح ہجرت مدینہ حکمت عملی تھی، بت شکنی بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔۔ لیکن تم سیاست کے لئے مذہب کا استعمال خوب کرتے ہو، پھر شکوہ بھی

اسرائیل کا فلسطینیوں کو دربدر کرنا بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔ بھارت کا کشمیر پر قبضہ بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔

 

[arifkarim]

All these prophets were of Islam so Jews claims is stupid.

Of course. All prophets are Muslim. Anyone disagreeing is Kafir.

 

[Lubnakhan]

Kaaba was not a mosque but pagan house of worship where idols were placed.

Kaaba was always house of Allah, even pagan knew that! To prove this I would like to give you example of conversation of Abraha with abdul mutalib! Abdul mutalib told him clearly that if abraha was attacking kaba, he would have to face Almighty’s wrath !!he didn’t mention any of the idols!! And kaaba is hallmark of ibrahamic religions so idols have no place there!

 

[atensari]

اسرائیل کا فلسطینیوں کو دربدر کرنا بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔ بھارت کا کشمیر پر قبضہ بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔

طالبان کا افغانستان پر قبضہ بھی حکمت عملی ہے۔

 

[Lubnakhan]

اسرائیل کا فلسطینیوں کو دربدر کرنا بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔ بھارت کا کشمیر پر قبضہ بھی حکمت عملی تھی۔

Exactly, and this strategy goes against us!! In Quran ( I am saying it for believers only) , it is clearly stated that one shouldn’t make friendships with those non believers who drive Muslims out of their houses, and conspire against them! Those non Muslims who do no such thing, are a different case!

 

[Baadshaah]

پرانے زمانوں کے لوگ بتوں کے ساتھ کیا کرتے تھے، ہمیں اس سے کچھ لینا دینا نہیں، ہم آج کے زمانے میں پرانے زمانوں کے لوگوں کو فالو نہیں کرسکتے۔ پرانے زمانوں کے لوگ تو اور بھی بہت سے کام کرتے تھے جیسا کہ عورتوں کو لونڈیاں بنانا، جبکہ آج کے دور میں کسی عورت کو لونڈی بنانے کا تصور بھی نہیں کیا جاسکتا، آج کے دور میں یہ نہایت گھٹیا کام ہے۔

قصہ مختصر۔ ہمیں آج کے دور میں جینا ہے اور آج کے دور میں زبردستی کسی کی عبادتگاہ پر ہلہ بولنا، بتوں کو توڑنا ایک بیہودہ اور گھٹیا حرکت ہے، قابلِ سزا جرم ہے۔ لہذا ایسی تمام تعلیمات جو بتوں کو توڑنے کو گلوریفائی کرتی ہوں یا کارِ ثواب بتاتی ہوں ان سب تعلیمات کو نصاب سے نکال پھینکنے کی ضرورت ہے۔۔ ​

 

[Anemex]

Of course. All prophets are Muslim. Anyone disagreeing is Kafir.

You Stupid, It is written in Quran, Now if you dont believe in Quran then it shows who you actually are !!!

You were born that stupid or had some accident ?

 

[Lubnakhan]

پرانے زمانوں کے لوگ بتوں کے ساتھ کیا کرتے تھے، ہمیں اس سے کچھ لینا دینا نہیں، ہم آج کے زمانے میں پرانے زمانوں کے لوگوں کو فالو نہیں کرسکتے۔ پرانے زمانوں کے لوگ تو اور بھی بہت سے کام کرتے تھے جیسا کہ عورتوں کو لونڈیاں بنانا، جبکہ آج کے دور میں کسی عورت کو لونڈی بنانے کا تصور بھی نہیں کیا جاسکتا، آج کے دور میں یہ نہایت گھٹیا کام ہے۔

قصہ مختصر۔ ہمیں آج کے دور میں جینا ہے اور آج کے دور میں زبردستی کسی کی عبادتگاہ پر ہلہ بولنا، بتوں کو توڑنا ایک بیہودہ اور گھٹیا حرکت ہے، قابلِ سزا جرم ہے۔ لہذا ایسی تمام تعلیمات جو بتوں کو توڑنے کو گلوریفائی کرتی ہوں یا کارِ ثواب بتاتی ہوں ان سب تعلیمات کو نصاب سے نکال پھینکنے کی ضرورت ہے۔۔ ​

Your opinion is biased against Islam!! We need to have balanced and fair approach when it comes to something like syllabus!

 

[Lubnakhan]

Of course. All prophets are Muslim. Anyone disagreeing is Kafir.

Anyone not believing in prophets , is not considered a Muslim, when you acquire a faith , you can’t pick and chose things that suit you! If this is the case, you will not enter into faith, if such is the case, one should read more, look at all things logically, and if it seems correct , only then enter fold of Islam!!