دور رسالت میں حافظ قرآن ہونے کے لئے کیا شرائط تھیں؟

Citizen X

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Yeah he sooch tum jaysay moulvioon nay Deen ko tamasha bana diya hay
LOL kya aala dargay ki munafiqat hai. Apnay sab se pasand deeda aalim ne apni mani hui hadees suna ji aur woh bhi jo Bibi Ayesha se munsalik hai ke Nabi ki seerat Quran hi to thi, yani Quran se behtar aur mukamil seerat nahi ho sakthi. Which in turn also proves the biggest argued point by these mushrikeen that how do you people follow the Prophet, jub tum logon ko un ki seerat ka hi pata nahi hai.

To forun apni hi hadees to jhoota bana diya aur naya gul khela diya ke Quran mein sirf kuch hissa mujood hai! Yaani apni hi hadees to manwanay ke liye apni hi hadees ko jhoota bana diya! 😂

Sahi patwariyon wala haal hai, ek jhoot ko cover kerne ke liye, 100 aur jhoot bolnay pard jatay hain!

Koi haal nahi hai in mushrikeen patwariyon ka
 

Wake up Pak

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To forun apni hi hadees to jhoota bana diya aur naya gul khela diya ke Quran mein sirf kuch hissa mujood hai! Yaani apni hi hadees to manwanay ke liye apni hi hadees ko jhoota bana diya! 😂
Yeah loog itnay gumrah ho chukay hain kay inhain khud nahi pata chalta keh kiya rahay hain.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
islam deen hai mazhab nahin hai. quran aik manshoor ya program hai khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ki taraf. is manifesto ya porgram ko amli jaama pehnaane ke liye ya is ko haqeeqi duniya main aik haqeeqat banaane ke liye aik bharpoor tehreek ki zaroorat hai. issi liye quraan ko theek tarah se samajhna aur samajh ker is ke maqsad ko poora kerne ki koshish kerna hi asal deene islam per amal kerna hai warna her koi apna aur doosrun ka waqt zaaya ker rahaa hai.

quran ke nazool ka maqsad logoon ko pooja paat main lagaana her giz nahin hai. balkeh ye aik program hai insaanu ko issi duniya main unhi ki madad se aik behtareen zindagi dene ka. issi liye to islam aik zaabtae hayaat kehlaata hai. warna pooja paat ka zindagi ke nizaam ko chalaane se to koi taaluq hi nahin hota aur na hi ho sakta hai.

jab tak log is baat ko nahin samajhte woh hamesha uljhanoo ka hi shikaar rahen ge. agar insaanu ka maqsad drust ho ga aur woh aik hi ho ga tabhi to woh saheeh maanu main aik hun ge warna aik ho kaise sakte hen? befaida baatun ko maqsad banaa ker log kabhi bhi aik ho hi nahin sakte.

mazhab ki sab ki sab baaten hi besaro paa hoti hen un ka issi liye to koi saboot ho hi nahin sakta aur na woh saabit ki jaa sakti hen. hawai baatun per chalne waale hamesha danwandol rehte hen. lihaaza mazhab se nikal ker deen ko apnaao taa keh nateeje per pohnch sako warna sab ki sab mehnat zaayaa hoti rahe gi.
 

Wake up Pak

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عقل کے اندھے اس آیت میں بھی رسول اللہ کا ذکر ہے. اللہ نے عربوں کو جہالت سے نکالنے کے لئے قرآن کی تعلیم رسول کے ذریعہ دی. تم حافظ کو ذریعہ بنا بیٹھے ہو

تمہاری ایسی مت ماری گئی ہے کے اپنے دئیے گئے حوالے نے ہی تمہیں غلط ثابت کر دیا ہے لیکن تم اندھے، بہرے اور گونگے ہو چکے ہو لوٹے کے نہیں
Yeah tu tum maan gaay ho na kay Rasool nay Quran say he arboon ko jahalat say nikala
Magar afsoos tum ab bhi jahalat key pasti may paray ho kiyonkay tum munkare Quran ho tumharay nazdeek insaan key banai hui kutub ziada ahmiyat key hamil hain.
 

Citizen X

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Yeah tu tum maan gaay ho na kay Rasool nay Quran say he arboon ko jahalat say nikala
Magar afsoos tum ab bhi jahalat key pasti may paray ho kiyonkay tum munkare Quran ho tumharay nazdeek insaan key banai hui kutub ziada ahmiyat key hamil hain.
Wohi patwariyon wala haal.

Maante ho nawaz sharif chor hai : Jee haan
Maante ho us ne mulk ko tabah ker diya : Jee haan
Acha to phir vote kis ko do gay : Bhai jaan jo bhi vote sirf Nawaz sharif ka
Kyun? : Bhai humaray baap, dada sub nawaz shareef ko vote dete aa rahe hain to is liye hum bhi deinge

Quran mein bhi asay patwariyon ka zikar hai, who say how can we abandon the religion of our forefathers, even when their fore fathers knew nothing.
 

Wake up Pak

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Maante ho nawaz sharif chor hai : Jee haan
Maante ho us ne mulk ko tabah ker diya : Jee haan
Acha to phir vote kis ko do gay : Bhai jaan jo bhi vote sirf Nawaz sharif ka
Kyun? : Bhai humaray baap, dada sub nawaz shareef ko vote dete aa rahe hain to is liye hum bhi deinge
LOL, good analogy!
 

Wake up Pak

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Wohi patwariyon wala haal.

Maante ho nawaz sharif chor hai : Jee haan
Maante ho us ne mulk ko tabah ker diya : Jee haan
Acha to phir vote kis ko do gay : Bhai jaan jo bhi vote sirf Nawaz sharif ka
Kyun? : Bhai humaray baap, dada sub nawaz shareef ko vote dete aa rahe hain to is liye hum bhi deinge

Quran mein bhi asay patwariyon ka zikar hai, who say how can we abandon the religion of our forefathers, even when their fore fathers knew nothing.
Yeah aik hadeeth kisi nay forward key hay jo kaafi hud tak Quran kay qareeb hay
Iss may bhi Quran parhnay ko kaha hay!

Narrated Al-Harith Al-A'war:
"I passed by the Masjid when the people were absorbed in story-telling. So I entered upon 'Ali and said: 'O Commander of the believers! Do you not see the people are becoming engrossed in story-telling?' He said: 'They have been consumed with it?' I said: "Yes.' He said: 'As for me, I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying: "Indeed there comes a Fitnah" So I said: "What is the way out from it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Allah's book. In it is news for what happened before you, and information about what comes after you, and judgment for what happens between you. It is the Criterion (between right and wrong) without jest. Whoever among the oppressive abandons it, Allah crushes him, and whoever seeks guidance from other than it, then Allah leaves him to stray. It is the firm rope of Allah, it is the wise remembrance, it is the straight path, and it is the one that the desires can not distort, nor can the tongues twist it, nor can the scholars ever have enough of it, and it shall not become dull from reciting it much, and the amazement of it does not diminish. It is the one that when the Jinns hear it, they did not hesitate to say about it: 'Verily, we have heard a wonderful Recitation (this Qur'an)! 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein.' Whoever speaks according to it then he has said the truth, and whoever acts according to it he is rewarded, and whoever judges by it he has judged justly, and whoever invites to it then he guides to the straight path." Take this O A'war!'."
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
quran aik drust dastoor aur us ke drust qawaneen ke liye hadayaat deta hai yani woh in ke liye bunyaad fraham kerta hai taa keh logoon ko aik ummat banane ki bunyaad mile. jab log aik ummat banen ge to us ummat ko regulate kerne ke liye qawaneen darkaar hun ge issi liye qawaneen banaaye jaayen ge. is ke baghair log ummat ban hi nahin sakte.

jab bhi dastooro qawaneen ki baat ho gi to phir precedents ki bhi baat ho gi. yani legal precedents ki. hadis aur tareekh ki kitaabun ki yahaan zaroorat padti hai. keh pehle waale logoon ne kia kia precedents set kiye kisi dastoori ya qanooni maamle main.

lihaaza hadis aur taareekh ko chhor dena khilaafe islam hai.

ye baat apni jaga drust hai keh hadis aur taareekh ki kitaabun main kuchh ghalat baaten bhi hen magar agar quraan ko theek tarah se samajh liye jaaye to phir hadis aur taareekh ki kitaabun se bhi drust baaten maloom ki jaa sakti hen. matlab jo baaten quraan ke mayaar per poori utren woh drust hen aur jo usse takraayen woh ghalat hen.

asal baat qurano hadis aur taareekh ke porblems ki nahin hai balkeh un ke ghalat tarjamen kerne ki hai. agar salaat ke lafz ka tarjama pooja paat ker diye jaaye to woh chahe quraan main ho ya hadis main log us ka matlab pooja paat hi samjhen ge.

is liye asal baat qurano hadis ke tarjamen drust kerne ki hai. logoon ne apni jahaalat ki wajah se islam ko mazhab banaaya huwa hai jab keh woh deen hai. matlab islam aik behtareen nizaamen zindagi hai ya zindagi drust maqsad ke liye guzaarne ka aik tareeqa hai jo insaanu ko apni zindagi ki zaroorten theek tareeqe se poori kerne ka tareeqa bataata hai. islam aik behtareen pooja paat ka zaabta nahin hai.

lihaaza jab ummat qurano hadis ke tarjame mazhab ke bajaaye deeni nuqtae nigah se kare gi to sab baaten saaf ho jaayen gi.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
quran khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ke liye aik aman ka maqsha ya tajweez yani peace plan hai. jo aapas main ladte huwe logoon ko kehta hai aapas main ladayee jhagde na karo aur mil jul ker raho is duniya main aik doosre ki madad se. issi liye woh logoon ko kehta hai woh kia kia karen aur kia kia na karen taa keh aapas main pyaar mohabbat ke saath reh saken. aur sab taraqi aur khushhaali ki zaindagi paa saken aik doosre ki madad se
 

Citizen X

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Yeah aik hadeeth kisi nay forward key hay jo kaafi hud tak Quran kay qareeb hay
Iss may bhi Quran parhnay ko kaha hay!

Narrated Al-Harith Al-A'war:
"I passed by the Masjid when the people were absorbed in story-telling. So I entered upon 'Ali and said: 'O Commander of the believers! Do you not see the people are becoming engrossed in story-telling?' He said: 'They have been consumed with it?' I said: "Yes.' He said: 'As for me, I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying: "Indeed there comes a Fitnah" So I said: "What is the way out from it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Allah's book. In it is news for what happened before you, and information about what comes after you, and judgment for what happens between you. It is the Criterion (between right and wrong) without jest. Whoever among the oppressive abandons it, Allah crushes him, and whoever seeks guidance from other than it, then Allah leaves him to stray. It is the firm rope of Allah, it is the wise remembrance, it is the straight path, and it is the one that the desires can not distort, nor can the tongues twist it, nor can the scholars ever have enough of it, and it shall not become dull from reciting it much, and the amazement of it does not diminish. It is the one that when the Jinns hear it, they did not hesitate to say about it: 'Verily, we have heard a wonderful Recitation (this Qur'an)! 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein.' Whoever speaks according to it then he has said the truth, and whoever acts according to it he is rewarded, and whoever judges by it he has judged justly, and whoever invites to it then he guides to the straight path." Take this O A'war!'.
If you look at the history of hadith, it might have started as a good thing because a lot of lies and tall tales had been started to be attributed to the Prophet and as time went on and more and more sahaba passed away this also increased. So some started an effort to stop these lies and put to pen what they could verify according to their own understanding.

Now the thing is even in this day and age it is impossible to verify what was said 2 centuries ago let along 1200 years ago, at best you can get some kind of outline and general jist and then the other even bigger problem arises that these so called sahih are not so sahih themselves if you did into their histories.

For example they say Bhukari never wrote down any hadith he collected and relied solely on his memory, and its a well know that it said he collected over 600,0000 of them, how can you anyone believe a person can memorize over half a million hadith including its chains. Then it is also said he had 90,000 students to which he passed on his hadith and out of those 90,000 we have allegedly a transmission of only unknow person. Al Farabari this in it self is makes the whole collection of bhukari labeled as fabricated and at best weak/dhaieef and then to top it all off only one student of frabari, another unknow chap called Al mustamil is the only one who copied from farabari and himself said his copy was incomplete and missing a lot of pages so he filled them in himself. So basically its Sahih Al Mustamil

Similar issues with Musnad Hanbal, only copy of his collection was I think with his son who coulp possibly not learned so many 1000s of hadith because he was just a child when his father died and lot of it was lost in a flood and then some other fellow just picked up hadith from here and there and completed it.

Also how a know "muhadith" use to switch names of narrators, attribute hadiths by a well know liar and fabricator and write it down as by Abu Huraira and the Abu Harairas hadith as by that liar.

The more to look into it the more junk you find and this is all verified in books of 7th 8th hijri writers in their books,

So these hadith are good to read and does offer some insight into about early Islamic history and happening and some vague biographical account of the Prophets life and there are lot of good things said in them but you cannot extract and deen aur fiqh from it, how can you anyways follow or accept anything to 100% fact when it is riddled with lies and contradiction. No one really knows who said what and who wrote what, who made up what story and what has any truth in it at all , if any.

Its just a huge mess from the word get go.

If I was forced to recommend a hadith book to someone. It would be Al Muwatta by Imam Malik, he is only Arab and from Medina whose own family lineage goes to the sahaba. Rest are all Persians from Bukhara to present day Irani side of Balouchistan.

And even he warned not to take any deen from his hadith because if you do they will do nothing but snatch it right out of your hand. Probably warning that you will stop following the Quran and start following hadith instead.

Anyways in a nutshell hadith at best a vague not too reliable version of early Islamic history, because there are lots of stories like how after some battle the prophet order all the Jewish men to gathered and then executed them all for no rhyme or reason!

If you are familar with seera of the Prophet that goes totally against his character, specially after having won the battle. as its said he was always in favour of releasing prisoners of war for a ransom or teaching 10 Muslims how to read and right and then one day he does this!!!
 

Citizen X

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quran aik drust dastoor aur us ke drust qawaneen ke liye hadayaat deta hai yani woh in ke liye bunyaad fraham kerta hai taa keh logoon ko aik ummat banane ki bunyaad mile. jab log aik ummat banen ge to us ummat ko regulate kerne ke liye qawaneen darkaar hun ge issi liye qawaneen banaaye jaayen ge. is ke baghair log ummat ban hi nahin sakte.

jab bhi dastooro qawaneen ki baat ho gi to phir precedents ki bhi baat ho gi. yani legal precedents ki. hadis aur tareekh ki kitaabun ki yahaan zaroorat padti hai. keh pehle waale logoon ne kia kia precedents set kiye kisi dastoori ya qanooni maamle main.

lihaaza hadis aur taareekh ko chhor dena khilaafe islam hai.

ye baat apni jaga drust hai keh hadis aur taareekh ki kitaabun main kuchh ghalat baaten bhi hen magar agar quraan ko theek tarah se samajh liye jaaye to phir hadis aur taareekh ki kitaabun se bhi drust baaten maloom ki jaa sakti hen. matlab jo baaten quraan ke mayaar per poori utren woh drust hen aur jo usse takraayen woh ghalat hen.

asal baat qurano hadis aur taareekh ke porblems ki nahin hai balkeh un ke ghalat tarjamen kerne ki hai. agar salaat ke lafz ka tarjama pooja paat ker diye jaaye to woh chahe quraan main ho ya hadis main log us ka matlab pooja paat hi samjhen ge.

is liye asal baat qurano hadis ke tarjamen drust kerne ki hai. logoon ne apni jahaalat ki wajah se islam ko mazhab banaaya huwa hai jab keh woh deen hai. matlab islam aik behtareen nizaamen zindagi hai ya zindagi drust maqsad ke liye guzaarne ka aik tareeqa hai jo insaanu ko apni zindagi ki zaroorten theek tareeqe se poori kerne ka tareeqa bataata hai. islam aik behtareen pooja paat ka zaabta nahin hai.

lihaaza jab ummat qurano hadis ke tarjame mazhab ke bajaaye deeni nuqtae nigah se kare gi to sab baaten saaf ho jaayen gi.
You still around bro? I though you left long time ago.

Here is some advice, don't write your long lectures in roman urdu, either write them in Urdu itself and if you can't better to in English then.

Roman Urdu is OK for a paragraph or two at the most, then it starts to get annoying. I myself can't type in Urdu so if I have something long to say (see above post) I write in English, or mix it up
 

Wake up Pak

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If I was forced to recommend a hadith book to someone. It would be Al Muwatta by Imam Malik, he is only Arab and from Medina whose own family lineage goes to the sahaba. Rest are all Persians from Bukhara to present day Irani side of Balouchistan.
Yeah, I have heard that Imam Malik, the only Arab to have gathered 200+ ahadith, wrote Al Muwatta, roughly 40 years after the death of the Prophet Mohammad.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You still around bro? I though you left long time ago.

Here is some advice, don't write your long lectures in roman urdu, either write them in Urdu itself and if you can't better to in English then.

Roman Urdu is OK for a paragraph or two at the most, then it starts to get annoying. I myself can't type in Urdu so if I have something long to say (see above post) I write in English, or mix it up
You can find him
Here, Here, and Here 😂 😂 😂
 

Citizen X

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Yeah, I have heard that Imam Malik, the only Arab to have gathered 200+ ahadith, wrote Al Muwatta, roughly 40 years after the death of the Prophet Mohammad.
No he was born around 80 years after the Prophet passed away, his great grandfather was a said to be a student of Umar Al Khattab. He was twice forced to write it, he refused to write the first time but again was asked not so nicely by the Khalifa of the time, only then he started to work on his book after 160 hijri, so that still makes the first book (well known at least) 150 plus years after the death of the Prophet. And main aim was to remove some differences among some scholars. Around 1900 hadiths and around 700 directly attributed to the Prophet.

The book with the least amount of hadith. But as more time went on and the location of the writing authors moved further and further away from media, the number of hadith also grew. Up to 27,000 hadith in Musnad Hanbal!!!! That in it self is very alarming for any pondering person as to how this is possible?
 

Citizen X

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You can find him
Here, Here, and Here 😂 😂 😂
Satya naas!!! lol
But I will give him credit, bechara akela 13 saal se is forum pe laga huwa hai, no one interacts with him, has a discussion other than once in a blue moon. Lekin yeh banda laga huwa hai. Likhi jaa raha hai likhi jaa raha hai. Dedication ho to assi.
Even though its all for nothing.
 

Wake up Pak

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No he was born around 80 years after the Prophet passed away, his great grandfather was a said to be a student of Umar Al Khattab. He was twice forced to write it, he refused to write the first time but again was asked not so nicely by the Khalifa of the time, only then he started to work on his book after 160 hijri, so that still makes the first book (well known at least) 150 plus years after the death of the Prophet. And main aim was to remove some differences among some scholars. Around 1900 hadiths and around 700 directly attributed to the Prophet.

The book with the least amount of hadith. But as more time went on and the location of the writing authors moved further and further away from media, the number of hadith also grew. Up to 27,000 hadith in Musnad Hanbal!!!! That in it self is very alarming for any pondering person as to how this is possible?
I'm not good at ahadith's history. I guess it took 40 years to compile the work.
 

Citizen X

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I'm not good at ahadith's history. I guess it took 40 years to compile the work.
Well I did a somewhat deep dive study into hadith and eventually came to the conclusion that there is no way possible these can be taken as a source of deen, with all the irregularities, discrepancies, contradictions and outright fabrications. It there were just one or two a person can disregard them or put it down as some clerical error. But not to this massive scale.
 

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