The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Allah ko challenge kar rahay ho?
Murtad (ex muslim) ki saza
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atensari
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منکرین اپنے ہی دام میں پھنس گئے
منکرین دلیل دیتے ہیں قرآن مجید صلوه، ذکات کا لفظ موجود ہیں لیکن طریقہ کار اور شرح کا تذکرہ نہیں ہے. اسلئے نماز اور ذکاوت کا وہ مطلب نہیں ہے جو مسلمانوں نے ایجاد کر لیا ہے. صحیح.
قرآن میں لفظ نکاح موجود ہے طریقہ کار موجود نہیں ہیں ہم تنگ نظر لوگوں نے کہیں سے بھی ایک طریقہ کار حاصل کر لیا اور اس کے مطابق نکاح کرتے ہیں
منکرین نے نکاح کا طریقہ کار کہاں سے حاصل کیا؟ اگر قرآن سے باہر کہیں سے حاصل کیا ہے تو کیا قرآن مکمل نہیں ہے؟
منکرین دلیل دیتے ہیں قرآن مجید صلوه، ذکات کا لفظ موجود ہیں لیکن طریقہ کار اور شرح کا تذکرہ نہیں ہے. اسلئے نماز اور ذکاوت کا وہ مطلب نہیں ہے جو مسلمانوں نے ایجاد کر لیا ہے. صحیح.
قرآن میں لفظ نکاح موجود ہے طریقہ کار موجود نہیں ہیں ہم تنگ نظر لوگوں نے کہیں سے بھی ایک طریقہ کار حاصل کر لیا اور اس کے مطابق نکاح کرتے ہیں
منکرین نے نکاح کا طریقہ کار کہاں سے حاصل کیا؟ اگر قرآن سے باہر کہیں سے حاصل کیا ہے تو کیا قرآن مکمل نہیں ہے؟
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
1. Marriage is a solemn covenant, a strong commitment and a tenacious bond
[2/235, 2/237, 4/21]
By virtue of this solemn covenant, a man and a woman make a pledge to accept the rights and obligations laid down by the Quran in respect of their being husband and wife in order to lead a life of companionship.
The marriage has been termed as "Uqdatun" in 2:235 and 2:237, which means:
a knot, a tie, a bond, an obligation
"Aqdun" means:
a contract, a compact, a covenant, an agreement, a treaty, an engagement
In 4:21, marriage has been termed as "meethaqan ghaleezan", which means:
a strong, confirmed or ratified covenant, bond, agreement, treaty, contract, compact, obligation, or promise.
2. Marriage is neither a clandestine relationship nor mere satisfaction of lust but it is for leading a conjugal life with honour
[4/25, 5/5]
According to 5:5 […wala muttakhithee akhdanin…] and 4:25 [wala muttakhithati akhdanin], it is not allowed to have:
-Amorous friends, companions or associates [male or female]
-Friends, companions or associates [male or female] affected with sensual appetency
-Friends, companions or associates [male or female] to commit fornication with them in secret
The word “akhdanin” that appears in 4:25 and 5:5 is the plural of “khidn”, with the root kh-d-n and has the following meanings:
Amorous friends, companions or associates [male or female]
Friends, companions or associates affected with sensual appetency [male or female]
Friends, companions or associates to commit fornication with them in secret [male or female]
3. The right age of marriage is after reaching puberty (Adulthood) when one has vitality, vigour, sensibility and sense of responsibility
[4/6, 6/152, 17/34, 22/5, 28/14, 40/67]
In 4:6, the word nikaah (i.e. marriage) has been tied with the word balaghoo (i.e. the age of puberty, adulthood, adolescence). In 6:152 and 17:34, the blooghat is tied with ashadda, which means an age of full manly vigour and maturity. The context of 4:6, 6:152 and 17:34 indicates that this not only means physical maturity but also mental maturity when one has the sensibility and a sense of responsibility. The age of blooghat-e-ashadda has also been clarified in 22:5, 28:14 and 40:67. All this suggests that the right age of marriage is when one is mentally and physically mature and has vitality, vigour, sensibility and a sense of responsibility.
4. A liking and consent between a man and a woman before marriage is prerequisite
[4/3, 4/19]
In 4:3, men are commanded to marry women of their liking. In 4:19 men are forbidden to take women against their will. This makes clear that liking and consent between a man and a woman is essential before marriage
5. The primary consideration in selecting a spouse is the commonness of ideologies rather than beauty and status
In 2:221, the marriage of the believing men with mushrik women and of the believing women with mushrik men is forbidden. This is an example of an extreme difference of ideologies. A marriage between a man and a woman of alien ideologies will make family life a veritable hell. On the other hand, a marriage between a man and a woman of similar ideologies would be paradisiacal. In the same verse, it has been stated that a believing slave is better than a (free) mushrik, even though the mushrik looks enchanting. A slave with a low status is better if he has a similar ideology as you have. Even though he is not very good-looking, the similarity of ideologies and thoughts is more likely to result in a happy conjugal life than beauty or status.
6. The provision of sustenance for the wife is the responsibility of the husband 4/34
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
یہ انسانی کلمات ہیں یا قرآنی کلمات کا ترجمہ؟ ملا جلا لگ رہا ہے
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Yeah unn logoon kay liyay hay jo apni aqal say soochtay hain na kay kisi aik Moulvi kay payro kaar hoon.
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
حافظ تمہارا مولوی ہی تو ہے تم جس کی عقل کی پیروی کرتے ہو
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Phelay bhi keh chuka hoon kay mayra koi moulvi nahi hay jo bhi Quran kay mutabiq baat karay ga may usko zaror sunta hoon. Laykin tumhari sui tu siraf Dr Israr per atki hui hay.
Allah tumhainn soochnay aur samjhnay key taqat daay
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
اپنے مولوی سے پوچھ کر بتاؤ جس طرح قرآن مجید میں صلوه کا طریقہ کار درج نہیں ہے، ذکاوت کی شرح درج نہیں ہے نکاح کا طریقہ کار بھی درج نہیں ہے پھر قرآن کے مطابق نکاح کا طریقہ کار کس انسان نے ایجاد کیا
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Inn sub kay jawab phelay daay chuka hoon. Laykin tum nay aaj tak kisi baat ka jawab ahi diya...
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
نکاح کرنے کا قرآنی طریقہ کار کس آیت میں درج ہے؟
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
1. Marriage is a solemn covenant, a strong commitment and a tenacious bond
[2/235, 2/237, 4/21]
By virtue of this solemn covenant, a man and a woman make a pledge to accept the rights and obligations laid down by the Quran in respect of their being husband and wife in order to lead a life of companionship.
The marriage has been termed as "Uqdatun" in 2:235 and 2:237, which means:
a knot, a tie, a bond, an obligation
"Aqdun" means:
a contract, a compact, a covenant, an agreement, a treaty, an engagement
In 4:21, marriage has been termed as "meethaqan ghaleezan", which means:
a strong, confirmed or ratified covenant, bond, agreement, treaty, contract, compact, obligation, or promise.
2. Marriage is neither a clandestine relationship nor mere satisfaction of lust but it is for leading a conjugal life with honour
[4/25, 5/5]
According to 5:5 […wala muttakhithee akhdanin…] and 4:25 [wala muttakhithati akhdanin], it is not allowed to have:
-Amorous friends, companions or associates [male or female]
-Friends, companions or associates [male or female] affected with sensual appetency
-Friends, companions or associates [male or female] to commit fornication with them in secret
The word “akhdanin” that appears in 4:25 and 5:5 is the plural of “khidn”, with the root kh-d-n and has the following meanings:
Amorous friends, companions or associates [male or female]
Friends, companions or associates affected with sensual appetency [male or female]
Friends, companions or associates to commit fornication with them in secret [male or female]
3. The right age of marriage is after reaching puberty (Adulthood) when one has vitality, vigour, sensibility and sense of responsibility
[4/6, 6/152, 17/34, 22/5, 28/14, 40/67]
In 4:6, the word nikaah (i.e. marriage) has been tied with the word balaghoo (i.e. the age of puberty, adulthood, adolescence). In 6:152 and 17:34, the blooghat is tied with ashadda, which means an age of full manly vigour and maturity. The context of 4:6, 6:152 and 17:34 indicates that this not only means physical maturity but also mental maturity when one has the sensibility and a sense of responsibility. The age of blooghat-e-ashadda has also been clarified in 22:5, 28:14 and 40:67. All this suggests that the right age of marriage is when one is mentally and physically mature and has vitality, vigour, sensibility and a sense of responsibility.
4. A liking and consent between a man and a woman before marriage is prerequisite
[4/3, 4/19]
In 4:3, men are commanded to marry women of their liking. In 4:19 men are forbidden to take women against their will. This makes clear that liking and consent between a man and a woman is essential before marriage
5. The primary consideration in selecting a spouse is the commonness of ideologies rather than beauty and status
In 2:221, the marriage of the believing men with mushrik women and of the believing women with mushrik men is forbidden. This is an example of an extreme difference of ideologies. A marriage between a man and a woman of alien ideologies will make family life a veritable hell. On the other hand, a marriage between a man and a woman of similar ideologies would be paradisiacal. In the same verse, it has been stated that a believing slave is better than a (free) mushrik, even though the mushrik looks enchanting. A slave with a low status is better if he has a similar ideology as you have. Even though he is not very good-looking, the similarity of ideologies and thoughts is more likely to result in a happy conjugal life than beauty or status.
6. The provision of sustenance for the wife is the responsibility of the husband 4/34
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
اتنی محنت کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں آیت کا نمبر بتا دو
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Ayat kay number iss may likhay hain
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
نکاح کرنے کے قرآنی طریقہ کار کی آیت کا نمبر بھی شامل ہے؟
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
2:237 You commit no error by announcing your engagement to women, or by keeping it to yourselves. God knows that you will be thinking about them. But do not meet them secretly, unless you have something proper to say. And do not confirm the marriage tie until the writing is fulfilled. And know that God knows what is in your souls, so beware of Him. And know that God is Forgiving and Forbearing
In 4:21, marriage has been termed as "meethaqan ghaleezan", which means:
a strong, confirmed, or ratified covenant, bond, agreement, treaty, contract, compact, obligation, or promise.
The right age of marriage is after reaching puberty (Adulthood) when one has vitality, vigor, sensibility, and a sense of responsibility
[4/6, 6/152, 17/34, 22/5, 28/14, 40/67]
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
2:237
کیا یہ آیت طلاق یافتہ یا بیوہ خواتین کی عدت پوری ہونے تک کے بارے میں نہیں ہے؟
اور اس میں بھی یہ بتایا گیا ہے کے رضامندی کا اظہار کرنے میں کوئی قباحت نہیں ہے
Masud Rajaa
Siasat member
murtad punishment is ridiculous to say the least
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
Upar sari detail bata de gai hay
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
تم نے سوچا مجھے اس آیت کا سیاق و سباق معلوم نہیں ہو گا یا پھر تمہیں اس آیت کا سیاق و سباق معلوم نہیں تھا
