You are Not a Muslim if You Do Not Believe in Ahadith

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NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Only people who argue against the authenticity of the hadith are

1. those who don't believe that Prophet Muhammed PBUH. was the last prophet.

2. Christians that pretend to be Muslims on the Internet, and want attack the foundations of Islam so Muslims will be confused. This arguments have been made for 1000 of years by the Christians and still gets no traction.

Ever Nation Muslims believe in the Quran and Hadith. Al Scholars from every nation agree on this.
 

nawaz.sharif

Minister (2k+ posts)
Only people who argue against the authenticity of the hadith are

1. those who don't believe that Prophet Muhammed PBUH. was the last prophet.

2. Christians that pretend to be Muslims on the Internet, and want attack the foundations of Islam so Muslims will be confused. This arguments have been made for 1000 of years by the Christians and still gets no traction.

Ever Nation Muslims believe in the Quran and Hadith. Al Scholars from every nation agree on this.

Yeah rejecting ALL hadiths as if they never existed is an extreme view but in my opinion, if we apply our mind on some ahadees no matter if they are in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, its very hard to believe them to be authentic. for example:


The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)

 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Only people who argue against the authenticity of the hadith are

1. those who don't believe that Prophet Muhammed PBUH. was the last prophet.

2. Christians that pretend to be Muslims on the Internet, and want attack the foundations of Islam so Muslims will be confused. This arguments have been made for 1000 of years by the Christians and still gets no traction.

Ever Nation Muslims believe in the Quran and Hadith. Al Scholars from every nation agree on this.
Jithay di khoti uthay aan kholoti. Tera koi haal nahi hai yaara
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Yeah rejecting ALL hadiths as if they never existed is an extreme view but in my opinion, if we apply our mind on some ahadees no matter if they are in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, its very hard to believe them to be authentic. for example:
Who are you? Your own learned scholars and aalims in their own made up hadith sciences with 1200 years of knowledge and study have labeled them as sahih, then who are you to reject them? Tum kounsay khet ki mooli ho?
 

nawaz.sharif

Minister (2k+ posts)
Who are you? Your own learned scholars and aalims in their own made up hadith sciences with 1200 years of knowledge and study have labeled them as sahih, then who are you to reject them? Tum kounsay khet ki mooli ho?
Allah has given me mind to apply. if I don't apply it and follow everything like a blind sheep then whats the point of saza and jaza?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Allah has given me mind to apply. if I don't apply it then whats the point of saza and jaza?
So you are arguing and going against 1000s if not millions aalims over the centuries that you know better than them! Tumhari yeh jurat!!!!
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
yes I am ....
Excellent

Allah has given me mind to apply.
This is the problem. No one wants to apply their God gifted common sense, even though Allah fobids blind faith but majority just blindly follow what they have been indoctrinated with since birth, never to question.

Now ask yourself when a book contains such nonsense and this is not even the tip of the iceberg and trust me I have read the entire thing cover to cover, its filled with stories, fairytales and outright blasphemy, how can one trust anything it has to say?

Would you believe in the Quran if you doubted even one ayat not to be the word of Allah?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Yeah rejecting ALL hadiths as if they never existed is an extreme view but in my opinion, if we apply our mind on some ahadees no matter if they are in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, its very hard to believe them to be authentic. for example:


The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)

You no longer sound like Nawaz Sharif today. 🤣🤣
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Only people who argue against the authenticity of the hadith are

1. those who don't believe that Prophet Muhammed PBUH. was the last prophet.

2. Christians that pretend to be Muslims on the Internet, and want attack the foundations of Islam so Muslims will be confused. This arguments have been made for 1000 of years by the Christians and still gets no traction.

Ever Nation Muslims believe in the Quran and Hadith. Al Scholars from every nation agree on this.
So what do you have to say about the Prophet and Khulafa then?

 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah rejecting ALL hadiths as if they never existed is an extreme view but in my opinion, if we apply our mind on some ahadees no matter if they are in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, its very hard to believe them to be authentic. for example:


The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)

As Science has theorized if the Earths Magnetic polarity is reversed the sun will rise from the west.

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/it-true-e... last reversal was about,a period of one year.
 

nawaz.sharif

Minister (2k+ posts)

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