You are Not a Muslim if You Do Not Believe in Ahadith

[Citizen X]

its not my knowledge, its Islamic knowledge. But your mind is closed

LOL If my mind was closed was I would be still following the indoctrination I received since childhood. If I was close minded I would not spend many nights questioning myself. If I was close minded I would not quit being a very vocal and practicing member of these traditions. You can call me a lotta things but close minded is not one of them.

And see again you go off on on your usual road of BS, You don't know anything, you're close minded, etc etc. without a single word to back up those claims.
My friend the only person who is close minded here is you because you have made up your mind or even better had your mind made up for you. Now no amount of facts or truths or even a different POV is acceptable to you because you've already made up your mind and totally closed to any other information.

Quran 2:170
When it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “No! We ˹only˺ follow what we found our forefathers practicing.” ˹Would they still do so,˺ even if their forefathers had ˹absolutely˺ no understanding or guidance?

 

[NasNY]

LOL If my mind was closed was I would be still following the indoctrination I received since childhood. If I was close minded I would not spend many nights questioning myself. If I was close minded I would not quit being a very vocal and practicing member of these traditions. You can call me a lotta things but close minded is not one of them.

And see again you go off on on your usual road of BS, You don't know anything, you're close minded, etc etc. without a single word to back up those claims.
My friend the only person who is close minded here is you because you have made up your mind or even better had your mind made up for you. Now no amount of facts or truths or even a different POV is acceptable to you because you've already made up your mind and totally closed to any other information.

Quran 2:170
When it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “No! We ˹only˺ follow what we found our forefathers practicing.” ˹Would they still do so,˺ even if their forefathers had ˹absolutely˺ no understanding or guidance?

So your guru anti hadith anti muslim, faker.

Nahiem Ajmal​

was working undercover for Islamophobic 'Prevent' organization
was arrested in porn charges
was arrested for asking a police officer who was running a brothel to help him find some ones wife.

This your defense against hadith which you posted.
I think you are a faker as well.

 

[Citizen X]

So your guru anti hadith anti muslim, faker

I told you he's from your camp, he's one of your learned scholars not mine. Even then he makes arguments which no one has still date been able to refute. I just put up one of yours so that maybe you will listen to one of your traditionalist, because as I mentioned before certainly you will not listen to anyone who does not ascribe to your beliefs. There are more from your camp, like Ghamdi, although he does not dispute hadith he points out that there is no deen to be found in hadith, not a single thing can be added or subtracted from the deen because of hadith. Although I don't agree with this fully, but its a start for people like you. But of course you will find some fault in him too.

I've been there, its not easy to fathom the enormity of the fact that all that you've been led to believe till now is quite possibly a lie and a sham. It's like getting punched in the gut and all the wind taken out of you.

 

[NasNY]

I told you he's from your camp, he's one of your learned scholars not mine. Even then he makes arguments which no one has still date been able to refute. I just put up one of yours so that maybe you will listen to one of your traditionalist, because as I mentioned before certainly you will not listen to anyone who does not ascribe to your beliefs. There are more from your camp, like Ghamdi, although he does not dispute hadith he points out that there is no deen to be found in hadith, not a single thing can be added or subtracted from the deen because of hadith. Although I don't agree with this fully, but its a start for people like you. But of course you will find some fault in him too.

I've been there, its not easy to fathom the enormity of the fact that all that you've been led to believe till now is quite possibly a lie and a sham. It's like getting punched in the gut and all the wind taken out of you.

I am perfectly sound of mind in my belief In Islam all my questions have been answered long time ago, i have over the years have looked at all types of criticism of Islam and Came to a conclusion how perfect it is. As i reread the Quran and Hadith and other Islamic books and lectures i expand my understanding everytime.

There was a time in college where i attended and interacted with lots of Christian evangelical preachers and their anti Islam questions and doubts. It was amusing to see how backward they were, i knew more about Christianity than they did, and all my knowledge came from Islam.

There is no anti-Islam doubt i have not heard before. You act like a child who is told to sit and eat because it is good for him, but refuses because he does not want to listen.

 

[Citizen X]

I am perfectly sound of mind in my belief In Islam all my questions have been answered long time ago, i have over the years have looked at all types of criticism of Islam and Came to a conclusion how perfect it is. As i reread the Quran and Hadith and other Islamic books and lectures i expand my understanding everytime.

There was a time in college where i attended and interacted with lots of Christian evangelical preachers and their anti Islam questions and doubts. It was amusing to see how backward they were, i knew more about Christianity than they did, and all my knowledge came from Islam.

There is no anti-Islam doubt i have not heard before. You act like a child who is told to sit and eat because it is good for him, but refuses because he does not want to listen.

Again nothing but more fluff! Instead of writing an extended post of irrelevant gibberish you could have posted something that backs up your claims. Just furthering my suspicion that you have nothing to present other than hot air. You just pretend to know "everything" in reality you nothing other than the indoctrination you have been told to blindly follow.

 

[asif86]

These people who believe and follow the hadith basically reject the Quran and cannot be even labeled pseudo muslims because they are outright mushriks.

Both quran and hadith go together.For example the quran asks us to pray salah but it doesnt say how to pray salah and what to read in salah.That we find out from sunnah and hadith.

 

[Citizen X]

Both quran and hadith go together.For example the quran asks us to pray salah but it doesnt say how to pray salah and what to read in salah.That we find out from sunnah and hadith.

I wish someone for a change came up with a better question that this same old one again and again. I am so bored and fed up with this old question! Salah does not mean going up and down 5 times a days.

And before you even ask which I know you are going to next, no I do not go up and down 5 times a day because that has nothing to do with Islam nor does Allah ask you to.

And FYI search your entire collection of hadith there is no hadith that explains or "say" how to pray salah either, this salah is explained in the hadith is nonsense that has been fed to you by mullahs and moulvis and you are too lazy to have ever bothered to verify it.

 

[asif86]

And before you even ask which I know you are going to next, no I do not go up and down 5 times a day because that has nothing to do with Islam nor does Allah ask you to.

And FYI search your entire collection of hadith there is no hadith that explains or "say" how to pray salah either, this salah is explained in the hadith is nonsense that has been fed to you by mullahs and moulvis and you are too lazy to have ever bothered to verify it.

As i know salah is one of the pillars of islam and it was given to beleivers as a gift on the night of meraj.If no hadith explains how to pray salah and neither does quran then why we are taght to pray like this.

 

[Citizen X]

As i know salah is one of the pillars of islam

You know wrong, there is no such thing as the pillars of Islam, read the entire Quran cover to cover and you will find nothing remotely resembling pillars of Islam.

it was given to beleivers as a gift on the night of meraj

Nonsensical fairytale from the hadith about the prophet sitting on a winged horse and flying through the heavens meeting various previous prophets. Take two steps back, what is the difference between this story and any story from the mahabharat?

If no hadith explains how to pray salah and neither does quran then why we are taght to pray like this.

And that is the million dollar question. You are just following blindly without any proof, rhyme or reason what you have been indoctrinated with since childhood. You do it, just because you've been told to do so.

 

[NasNY]

As i know salah is one of the pillars of islam and it was given to beleivers as a gift on the night of meraj.If no hadith explains how to pray salah and neither does quran then why we are taght to pray like this.

Don’t wast your time he has admitted he doesn’t do Salah. Because it’s not in the Quran. If he was standing face to face with Allah he would still not believe. He has made up his mind no proof is enough for him, don’t wast your time.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Earth can shift its magnetic poles, but it does not mean the Sun will rise from the West.
Regardless of whether you are in the Northern or Southern hemisphere, the Sun will always rise in the East and set in the West because the Earth spins from the West towards the East.

 

[NasNY]

The Earth can shift its magnetic poles, but it does not mean the Sun will rise from the West.
Regardless of whether you are in the Northern or Southern hemisphere, the Sun will always rise in the East and set in the West because the Earth spins from the West towards the East.

educate yourself, mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Don’t wast your time he has admitted he doesn’t do Salah. Because it’s not in the Quran. If he was standing face to face with Allah he would still not believe. He has made up his mind no proof is enough for him, don’t wast your time.

I have asked this question a thousand times on this forum and the mullahs, but no one can give me the exact method of Namaz from the Quran or the Ahadith. Maybe you want to clear that for me.

 

[NasNY]

I have asked this question a thousand times on this forum and the mullahs, but no one can give me the exact method of Namaz from the Quran or the Ahadith. Maybe you want to clear that for me.

Educate yourself, mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Wake up Pak]

educate yourself, mind is a terrible thing to waste.

When people are deranged in preconceived notions, then they lack the capacity & capability to think and reflect rationally, and you have proven that here.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Educate yourself, mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Oh! The poor soul can not even defend that something he believes & practices. What a waste of a mind.

 

[NasNY]

Oh! The poor soul can not even defend that something he believes & practices. What a waste of a mind.

Why argue with a Rock?

 

[NasNY]

When people are deranged in preconceived notions, then they lack the capacity & capability to think and reflect rationally, and you have proven that here.

These are the words that fit Perfectly on you. A ir-religious patwari.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Why argue with a Rock?

So you are admitting that you are clueless about your own beliefs. I hope next time you will come prepared to defend something you believe so dearly.

 

[NasNY]

So you are admitting that you are clueless about your own beliefs. I hope next time you will come prepared to defend something you believe so dearly.

Dont need to defend facts, if you are hit in the face with facts , makes no difference to rocks.