Citizen X
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You're welcome.
Zionist Israel is the world's no-1 terrorist bombing Palestinians homes.
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Citizen X
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P.S : Not just my beliefs but facts too.
Captain Safdar
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yaar Israeli civilians are not civilians like any other country... they are trained to use guns. Even American zianoists, after the age of 16, come to Israel to serve in army.
There is a documentary on YouTube ( saw few years ago) on this topic.
Apart from their childeren... non of them are clean.
Facts based on your beliefs/opinions.
Citizen X
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So many countries have mandatory military service, Iran, Syria, Egypt etc etc so their civilian populations are also legitimate targets?
Citizen X
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Facts are facts, they don't change because of opinions and beliefs. No matter what I believe the fact that the sun rises from the east does not change.
What is a fact is that literalism as the only methodology is what led the Khawarij to become what they became. You're on a not so different path. Despite being mentioned as something blessed in the Qur'an, you claim (out of ignorance of that verse clearly) that it has no significance.
Citizen X
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Where in Quran?
7:137 وَأَوْرَثْنَا ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَانُوا۟ يُسْتَضْعَفُونَ مَشَـٰرِقَ ٱلْأَرْضِ وَمَغَـٰرِبَهَا ٱلَّتِى بَـٰرَكْنَا فِيهَا ۖ
21:81 وَلِسُلَيْمَـٰنَ ٱلرِّيحَ عَاصِفَةًۭ تَجْرِى بِأَمْرِهِۦٓ إِلَى ٱلْأَرْضِ ٱلَّتِى بَـٰرَكْنَا فِيهَا ۚ
21:71 وَنَجَّيْنَـٰهُ وَلُوطًا إِلَى ٱلْأَرْضِ ٱلَّتِى بَـٰرَكْنَا فِيهَا لِلْعَـٰلَمِينَ
5:21 وَنَجَّيْنَـٰهُ وَلُوطًا إِلَى ٱلْأَرْضِ ٱلَّتِى بَـٰرَكْنَا فِيهَا لِلْعَـٰلَمِينَ
Citizen X
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Eastern and Western lands i.e From Egypt to Syria which the Bani Israel dominated after the Pharaoh. No Quds no Jerusalem singled out or mentioned by name.
Again no Quds or Jurasalem mentioned by name
Again no Quds or Jerusalem mentioned by name
Wrong quotation : Be careful when quoting verses of the Quran. Actual verse
قَالُوا۟ يَـٰمُوسَىٰٓ إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًۭا جَبَّارِينَ وَإِنَّا لَن نَّدْخُلَهَا حَتَّىٰ يَخْرُجُوا۟ مِنْهَا فَإِن يَخْرُجُوا۟ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّا دَٰخِلُونَ ٢٢
Again no Quds or Jerusalem mentioned by name
If Quds or Jerusalem was so holy and sacred I'm sure it would have been mentioned at least once by name? So many other places were like. Egypt, The Sinai, Babylon Iraq, Sheba-Yemen/Ethopia are they then more holy and sacred then Jerusalem? The name for Jerusalem or any of its name do not appear even once in the Quran. Nauzubillah did Allah forget?
Quran 6:114
Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
5:21 actually states (I didn't paste the correct verse, apologies).
يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ ٱلْمُقَدَّسَةَ ٱلَّتِى كَتَبَ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنقَلِبُوا۟ خَـٰسِرِينَ.
al Quds is there.
This is the issue with your methodology. You think by one verse you have it all (like the Khawarij) and end up using to excommunicate etc
فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ – Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know.(Surah An-Nahl 16:43).
How does this fit into your methodology? Is it for those who can't read/understand Arabic to only ask for translations?
Citizen X
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Errr. no it doesn't. Ardh al Muqaddas simply means blessed land
Citizen X
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And that is the problem with you traditionalist, will quote out of context, partial quotes, translations that suit you to prove your point.
The complete verse is
And never did we send as messengers before you except men to whom we reveal . So ask the Ahl -e zikr (i.e people of the reminder / people of remembrance / people of scripture, not knowledge ) if you do not know.
Where do you think the title Al Quds or Bait Al Maqdis come from?
There is absolutely nothing revolutionary or new about your approach to the Qur'an or religion. The Khawarij did it before and came to the same outcome as you - calling the Muslims mushrik and excommunicating. Another trait they have is they leave the disbelievers alone and attack the Muslims, a trait you share.
Citizen X
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The name Al Quds was given in the 9th century 200 years after the Muslims conquered it which was after 3 to 5 years after the Prophet died. Most probably derived from the hebrew name Hakodesh meaning holy city.
Bait Al Maqdis first appeared in the Hadiths also most probably derived from the Hebrew name Bayt Makidash, meaning The Holy Temple.
Citizen X
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I never resort to labeling unless the other starts it first.
You fix your house first before to start fixing others. And you consider this attacking!
So you're reactionary and emotional and that permits your takfir of others.
I am not trying fix, we're all adults.
You can believe Al Quds is meaningless to you, that's fine.
It's not a belief any Muslim in history has held, unless you care share one.
Wake up Pak
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I'm not sure who this person is or what he's trying to prove here, but why is he calling you a Khawarij? I've not seen him on this forum before.
