کیا خوشحال خان خٹک واقعی ہی ایک لونڈے باز تھا؟ (تاریخ کا ایک ورق)

[Diroji]

 

[ranaji]

خوشحال خان کا تو معلوم نہیں لیکن پرویز خٹک تو کنفرم لونڈے باز بھی ہے اور ممیسیا بھی اور چوپا تو یہ ہے ہی اسلئے صرف پرویز خٹک کا کنفرم کیا جاسکتا ہے

 

[Dr Adam]

بھائی! ایک جانی مانی شخصیت کے لیے جن کا ایک زمانہ معترف ہے ان کے متعلق آپکا الفاظ کا چناؤ بہت افسوسناک ہے . اچھا ہوتا کہ آپ موضوع کی حساسیت کے باعث محتاط رہتے . اگر ہو سکے تو ٹائٹل کے الفاظ تبدیل کر دیں . اپنے بزرگوں کے متعلق ایسے غیر مناسب الفاظ کا استعمال کسی طرح بھی اچھی روایت نہیں
پیشگی شکریہ ​

 

[Cyber_Security]

بھائی! ایک جانی مانی شخصیت کے لیے جن کا ایک زمانہ معترف ہے ان کے متعلق آپکا الفاظ کا چناؤ بہت افسوسناک ہے . اچھا ہوتا کہ آپ موضوع کی حساسیت کے باعث محتاط رہتے . اگر ہو سکے تو ٹائٹل کے الفاظ تبدیل کر دیں . اپنے بزرگوں کے متعلق ایسے غیر مناسب الفاظ کا استعمال کسی طرح بھی اچھی روایت نہیں
پیشگی شکریہ ​

I agree, specially when the video itself is denying the claim. The poet passed away over 3 hundred years ago, then why would you make a video about a respected elderly proving that he was actually not a homosexual.

 

[barzi]

Khula de Banda Ka ,aw ruk sha.

 

[Siberite]

بھائی! ایک جانی مانی شخصیت کے لیے جن کا ایک زمانہ معترف ہے ان کے متعلق آپکا الفاظ کا چناؤ بہت افسوسناک ہے . اچھا ہوتا کہ آپ موضوع کی حساسیت کے باعث محتاط رہتے . اگر ہو سکے تو ٹائٹل کے الفاظ تبدیل کر دیں . اپنے بزرگوں کے متعلق ایسے غیر مناسب الفاظ کا استعمال کسی طرح بھی اچھی روایت نہیں
پیشگی شکریہ ​

ابے او ڈوکٹور ۔ غالب کونسا لونڈے ساز تھا ؟

یہ تو بدبخت داغ کے ساتھ کبوتر باز بھی تھا ۔
اور داغ نے تو کھلے عام اقرار کیا تھا ۔



اب تو اپنے ادب کا ٹوکرا اٹھائے آ پہنچا ھے ۔ اپنی تاریخ دیکھ لے ، کوئ تعجب نہیں کہ انگریجوں نے شاھی خاندان کے کھسرے پن کو دیکھ کر جفر شاہ کے بال کاٹ لیے تھے ۔




جا تجھے کشمکش صنف سے آزاد کیا ۔​

 

[Mughal1]

zehnsaazi agar ghalat ki jaaye to phir zameer kisi ghalati ko drust samajh ker us ke khilaaf ko ghalat tasawaur kerta hai issi liye us per malaamat kerta hai. wajah ye hai her koi apne mahool ki pedawaar hai.

agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan log gaaye ka gosht khaate hun kyunkeh un ko bataaya hi ye gayaa ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana achhi baat hai kyunkeh ye sehat ke liye achhaa hai to us ko woh bura nahin lage ga na us ka zameer is per kabhi us ko malaamat kare ga.

is ke bar aks agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan us ko bataaya gaaya ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana buri baat hai. to woh gaaye ka gosht nahin khaaye ga. aur agar woh khaaye ga bhi to us ko khud apna zameer bhi malaamat kare ga.

is ka matlab ye nahin hai keh gaaye ka gosht khaana us ke liye fil haqeeqat achhaa ya bura hai. bas us ki zehn saazi hi waisi ki gayee hai is baare main baghair asal haqeeqat ko jaane. ab is baare main asal haqeeqat jaanane ka kia zariya hai insaanu ke paas aur us ka kia pemaana hai?

ye baat log discuss hi nahin kerte ta keh woh haqeeqat ko jaan saken bas aik doosre per taano tashnee kiye jaa rahe hen sadiyun se.

 

[Siberite]

zehnsaazi agar ghalat ki jaaye to phir zameer kisi ghalati ko drust samajh ker us ke khilaaf ko ghalat tasawaur kerta hai issi liye us per malaamat kerta hai. wajah ye hai her koi apne mahool ki pedawaar hai.

agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan log gaaye ka gosht khaate hun kyunkeh un ko bataaya hi ye gayaa ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana achhi baat hai kyunkeh ye sehat ke liye achhaa hai to us ko woh bura nahin lage ga na us ka zameer is per kabhi us ko malaamat kare ga.

is ke bar aks agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan us ko bataaya gaaya ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana buri baat hai. to woh gaaye ka gosht nahin khaaye ga. aur agar woh khaaye ga bhi to us ko khud apna zameer bhi malaamat kare ga.

is ka matlab ye nahin hai keh gaaye ka gosht khaana us ke liye fil haqeeqat achhaa ya bura hai. bas us ki zehn saazi hi waisi ki gayee hai is baare main baghair asal haqeeqat ko jaane. ab is baare main asal haqeeqat jaanane ka kia zariya hai insaanu ke paas aur us ka kia pemaana hai?

ye baat log discuss hi nahin kerte ta keh woh haqeeqat ko jaan saken bas aik doosre per taano tashnee kiye jaa rahe hen sadiyun se.

ٹھیک ھے ۔ اب یہ بتائیں اس بگاڑ کو ٹھیک کہاں سے کیا جائے ؟ روایتی حل ، روایتی جواب مسئلہ کا حل نہیں ۔ کوئ عملی حل بتائیں اور ذمہ داری کا تعین کریں ۔​

 

[Choudhry ji]

We should be ashamed arguing in such a shameful wording .....

 

[Khi]

Bilkul mumkin ha. Yeh qom waisay hi poori duniya meh Bachabazi k liay mashoor ha.

Kabhi ja k koi bhi pashto film dekh lo, inn ki asliyat patta chal jae gi

 

[arain]

اتنا اہم مسئلہ حل کر دیا اس پیج پر وارد ہوئے کل کے لونڈے نے۔ شکریہ بنتا ہے۔ ادا اس وقت کیا جائے گا جب تمہاری اس مسئلے سے پریشانی کی وجہ معلوم ہو گی اور وہ وجہ تمہارے لونڈے ہونے سے منسلک نہ ہو گی۔ اب تین صدیوں پرانی شخصیت ڈھونڈنے سے بہتر ہے آبپارہ میں تازہ آسامیاں تلاش کرو۔
ادب سے جڑے مرحوم نام ہیں۔ تمہارا ہمارا مال ہڑپ جانے والے کتے نہیں۔ حدیں رکھو۔
Diroji

 

[arain]

zehnsaazi agar ghalat ki jaaye to phir zameer kisi ghalati ko drust samajh ker us ke khilaaf ko ghalat tasawaur kerta hai issi liye us per malaamat kerta hai. wajah ye hai her koi apne mahool ki pedawaar hai.

agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan log gaaye ka gosht khaate hun kyunkeh un ko bataaya hi ye gayaa ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana achhi baat hai kyunkeh ye sehat ke liye achhaa hai to us ko woh bura nahin lage ga na us ka zameer is per kabhi us ko malaamat kare ga.

is ke bar aks agar aik shakhs aik aise mahool main parwaan chadaa ho jahaan us ko bataaya gaaya ho keh gaaye ka gosht khaana buri baat hai. to woh gaaye ka gosht nahin khaaye ga. aur agar woh khaaye ga bhi to us ko khud apna zameer bhi malaamat kare ga.

is ka matlab ye nahin hai keh gaaye ka gosht khaana us ke liye fil haqeeqat achhaa ya bura hai. bas us ki zehn saazi hi waisi ki gayee hai is baare main baghair asal haqeeqat ko jaane. ab is baare main asal haqeeqat jaanane ka kia zariya hai insaanu ke paas aur us ka kia pemaana hai?

ye baat log discuss hi nahin kerte ta keh woh haqeeqat ko jaan saken bas aik doosre per taano tashnee kiye jaa rahe hen sadiyun se.

درست، باپ دادوں کا دین ہی اصلی ہے، یہی صدیوں پرانا واویلا ہے، آئیندہ بھی صدیوں چلے گا۔ پوسٹ کے ضمن میں کیا نکتہ ہے؟

 

[arain]

ابے او ڈوکٹور ۔ غالب کونسا لونڈے ساز تھا ؟

یہ تو بدبخت داغ کے ساتھ کبوتر باز بھی تھا ۔
اور داغ نے تو کھلے عام اقرار کیا تھا ۔



اب تو اپنے ادب کا ٹوکرا اٹھائے آ پہنچا ھے ۔ اپنی تاریخ دیکھ لے ، کوئ تعجب نہیں کہ انگریجوں نے شاھی خاندان کے کھسرے پن کو دیکھ کر جفر شاہ کے بال کاٹ لیے تھے ۔




جا تجھے کشمکش صنف سے آزاد کیا ۔​

تیری کشمکش بھی آسان ہو، دوائی ٹائم پر کھا لیا کر بھائی۔

 

[Siberite]

تیری کشمکش بھی آسان ہو، دوائی ٹائم پر کھا لیا کر بھائی۔

یار تو ڈوکٹور ھوتا تو کسی کو بھی کووڈ نہ ہوتا ۔ کھلی بھونسے میں ملا کر سب کے منہ میں ٹھوکتا ۔​

 

[arain]

یار تو ڈوکٹور ھوتا تو کسی کو بھی کووڈ نہ ہوتا ۔ کھلی بھونسے میں ملا کر سب کے منہ میں ٹھوکتا ۔​

ذرہ نوازی! ویسے منہ منہ کی بات ہے۔

 

[Mughal1]

ٹھیک ھے ۔ اب یہ بتائیں اس بگاڑ کو ٹھیک کہاں سے کیا جائے ؟ روایتی حل ، روایتی جواب مسئلہ کا حل نہیں ۔ کوئ عملی حل بتائیں اور ذمہ داری کا تعین کریں ۔​

dear siberite sb, I have explained why things need to be put right as well as how they can be put right. It is up to people to learn those things and try to put things right. Having a building plan is one things but to built that building is quiet another. So when people will do their bits for building a purpose based proper human community building things will get done otherwise things will continue as they are. None of us human beings can build a purpose based proper human society till we come together for this purpose and work on it as a mission or a project and complete it.

If I want to build a house, I need to gather people and things for this very purpose in mind and those people and things need to be organised and regulated or managed purposefully properly otherwise if I gather people for this purpose but they are left on their own and they do their own things or start fighting with each other the house I want to build will not materialise. This is what so called muslims are doing to islam. They are not bothered with knowing it purposefully properly so they are utterly confused about it and that is why islam is only in the quran as a society building map and a road map for that project. The day so called muslims become real muslims by knowing the actual message in the quran for mankind things will start taking shape and then it will not take long for islam to materialise as a real world reality. Any project needs conducive environment and culture which could help it become complete.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

درست، باپ دادوں کا دین ہی اصلی ہے، یہی صدیوں پرانا واویلا ہے، آئیندہ بھی صدیوں چلے گا۔ پوسٹ کے ضمن میں کیا نکتہ ہے؟

dear arain sb, my point is same as you have got it but I hope against hopelessness that we prove wrong and hopefully we will its only a matter of time. Because sooner or later people will have to realise the fact that they do need actual islam if they want to change things for the best for themselves. They need to give up their false, harmful and destructive beliefs and practices which waste their time and energy and they need to adopt what is true and right objectively as a mission and complete it to reap the benefits and advantages.

regards and all the best.

 

[Siberite]

dear siberite sb, I have explained why things need to be put right as well as how they can be put right. It is up to people to learn those things and try to put things right. Having a building plan is one things but to built that building is quiet another. So when people will do their bits for building a purpose based proper human community building things will get done otherwise things will continue as they are. None of us human beings can build a purpose based proper human society till we come together for this purpose and work on it as a mission or a project and complete it.

If I want to build a house, I need to gather people and things for this very purpose in mind and those people and things need to be organised and regulated or managed purposefully properly otherwise if I gather people for this purpose but they are left on their own and they do their own things or start fighting with each other the house I want to build will not materialise. This is what so called muslims are doing to islam. They are not bothered with knowing it purposefully properly so they are utterly confused about it and that is why islam is only in the quran as a society building map and a road map for that project. The day so called muslims become real muslims by knowing the actual message in the quran for mankind things will start taking shape and then it will not take long for islam to materialise as a real world reality. Any project needs conducive environment and culture which could help it become complete.

regards and all the best.

With due respect, my question was rather simple and brief. Your answer is long and impractical. Don't we know the problem? It is not that we are unaware of the problem, it is the solution we are seeking. And we want to find out within prevailing circumstances.
How many Madrassas are in the country? How many Schools are in the country? How many Ulmas and how many students do you think we have?
Did we get all that wrong? And if your answer yes then how come the same structure served us well over the time (As far as character building is concerned). Or if your argument is that we never had any character even in our past?

I think that we don't have that Gohar which needs to become gem. We never had it, we will never have it if we don't change and change it fast.

In my opinion, we survived over the years with mediocre system and mediocre population because in our surrounding neighbors, they were all the same. But now we have an issue. Our Neighbours progressed and progressed well. We, with our mediocre system are left behind and we are screaming. It has nothing to do with our religious belief. It has everything to do with our narrow mind, self-serving greed. Our outdated educational, and character-building institutions.
But even then, knowing all that, we cannot just continue to criticize and fret about it. We know we need to change.
The nations, the countries and the people need leaders for change. The change doesn't just come within individuals itself. It needs some improvisation, some self-confidence and some faithful thinking. And that could only be motivated by a sincere and selfless leadership.
Do we have what it takes? I don't think so. So, we are going to time travel in wilderness till the time comes to halt for our nation. Either we pass it with dignity and become Gem, or our actions create consequences of our demise.

Regards,

 

[Mughal1]

With due respect, my question was rather simple and brief. Your answer is long and impractical. Don't we know the problem? It is not that we are unaware of the problem, it is the solution we are seeking. And we want to find out within prevailing circumstances.
How many Madrassas are in the country? How many Schools are in the country? How many Ulmas and how many students do you think we have?
Did we get all that wrong? And if your answer yes then how come the same structure served us well over the time (As far as character building is concerned). Or if your argument is that we never had any character even in our past?

I think that we don't have that Gohar which needs to become gem. We never had it, we will never have it if we don't change and change it fast.

In my opinion, we survived over the years with mediocre system and mediocre population because in our surrounding neighbors, they were all the same. But now we have an issue. Our Neighbours progressed and progressed well. We, with our mediocre system are left behind and we are screaming. It has nothing to do with our religious belief. It has everything to do with our narrow mind, self-serving greed. Our outdated educational, and character-building institutions.
But even then, knowing all that, we cannot just continue to criticize and fret about it. We know we need to change.
The nations, the countries and the people need leaders for change. The change doesn't just come within individuals itself. It needs some improvisation, some self-confidence and some faithful thinking. And that could only be motivated by a sincere and selfless leadership.
Do we have what it takes? I don't think so. So, we are going to time travel in wilderness till the time comes to halt for our nation. Either we pass it with dignity and become Gem, or our actions create consequences of our demise.

Regards,

dear siberite sb, you can carry on looking for short cuts but in actual fact that will prove to be a very, very long road ahead. Much longer than what I understand from the quran.

However the actual truth is, only and only people themselves can decide what they want to do with their God given lives. God has already made known his intentions for mankind. So it is not entirely up to me and you only but up to all of us human beings. Nonetheless we should remain hopeful till the very last minute no matter what. The quran gives us hope that it will all end well in the end. There are no quick fixes in my view. The reason is purpose based proper education and training are a very slow process and bloody revolutions will not and cannot change things for the best for humanity as I see things. It is because a purpose based proper moral base is an absolute necessity for humanity which cannot be bypassed or results for all our thoughts and actions will always be back to square one.

regards and all the best.