Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Kiya aap jahil, aalim aur muslim hone ka certificate jari karte hain??? Ya kisi typical 'maulvi' se koi 'taluq' hai?

Certificate is not needed
Carefully study of his believes and theories are enough .

but study should be DEEP study.

 

[mrcritic]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

So ETHICS is not in Islam? ETHICS cant be taught by examples from the QURAN & SUNNAH? Just becuase a bunch of ignorant mullahs teach 'extremism' does not mean we should exclude Islamiyat from early childhood. If we have a proper curriculum including an amalgamation of both "ethics and Islam" that would be great. Ethics and Islam go hand in hand.!

 

[iceburg]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Asalam o alikum

If you are refering this in context of our early debate than it is irrelevant.

and secondly . Do you think even a 5th grade is ready enough to judge between right and wrong and to know that what what is Quran or what is not.?? So this argument is bit silly that if we include it in 5th grade then we will not have problems. problem starts when you did not put check on what is going on .
And saying that first ethics than Quran is also silly bcz Quran is all about Ethics isnt it???

and saying that Ethics than Religion what it shows that you are saying that Religion is something other than Ethics?? :13:

No ... it is not irrelevant. Pichli discussion ka conclusion bhi Mullah ki dishonesty thi. Ab bhi yahi theme hai.

Aur ethics k lie sab se behtar waqt early childhood hota hai. I remember in my pre-school age my mother told me to not to ever b smoker and to not utter bad abuses like other ppl do.

Those advices were really hard coded in me in this way. So I am witness that Ghamidi Sahib's advice is solid.

And yes ... in the sense Ghamidi Sahib has adviced ... ethics is really different from Quran. Because ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah.

In my personal assessment root of ethics is CONTRADICTION. And to sense a CONTRADICTION is hard coded in human mind. Root of LOGIC is also this sense of CONTRADICTION.

For example we feel bad if someone torchours us. Now if we start torchouring some other then our mind will feel a sort of CONTRADICTION. In this way we can feel bad even when we are not being torchoured but just because we ourselves are torchouring someone other.

issi sense of CONTRADICTION ko perhaps ZAMEER kehte hain.

 

[jahanzaibi]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Ghaday per kitabeen laad dinnay to wo ghamdi ban jata hay..

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Ghaday per kitabeen laad dinnay to wo ghamdi ban jata hay..

Insan se acha phir to gadha huwa... according to you

 

[Technocrat]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Maulana Roomi once said, "Nations die when they cannot distinguish between right and wrong". This is a formula for all Nations around the world and if you look at it closely, Pakistan is being destroyed as a Nation just because people have forgotten what is right and what is wrong; Rather, bribes are being renamed as "bonuses" or "gifts".

Now the above statement does not say that Nations die because they don't follow their religion, rather emphasizes on moral ethics. Be it work ethics or any other type of ethic, the Pakistani Nation is being pushed into the stone-age cause of lack of ethics.

The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) said: "I have been sent to perfect the morals".

Therefore Morals and Ethics of the Quran should be taught before going into any deeper study of Quran. I completely agree with Ghamdi's suggestion, and those who are labelling Ghamdi should first check their own moral and ethical values and then see if their statements according to Quran and Hadith are worthy or not.

Everyone is more than welcome to disagree, but to label people without having met them and based on third party views and comments is utterly unethical.

 

[Technocrat]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Gamdi is a jahil man he does not anything about Islam even don't know Arabic . How can he be a Muslim or Islamic scholar so call him jahil my dear and nothing else .He wants to mould Islam according to his aspirations.

Sahabas' knew arabic very well, but still went to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) for interpretations of The Quran. Knowing Arabic does not relate to the study of Islam, rather understanding of Quran holds more value than the language itself.

 

[jahanzaibi]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Insan se acha phir to gadha huwa... according to you

ab ya to apni shooch ki baat hay... app apnay app ko kia kehlwana pasand kareen gay

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

ab ya to apni shooch ki baat hay... app apnay app ko kia kehlwana pasand kareen gay

Me to apnae aap ko ek kamtar galtiya krnae wala insan kelwao ga

 

[jahanzaibi]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Me to apnae aap ko ek kamtar galtiya krnae wala insan kelwao ga

wo challay ga hum saab galti kartay hain likin deen ko na appnay demagh say banaoo .. bahai aisa deen jo 1400 saal say kisi ki samajh may nahi aaya
sahaba aur tabaeen saar martay rahay aur 1400 saal baad aik shakas deen kia naya version lay aaya.. sochnay ki baat hay

 

[Technocrat]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

wo challay ga hum saab galti kartay hain likin deen ko na appnay demagh say banaoo .. bahai aisa deen jo 1400 saal say kisi ki samajh may nahi aaya
sahaba aur tabaeen saar martay rahay aur 1400 saal baad aik shakas deen kia naya version lay aaya.. sochnay ki baat hay

Zara bataana pasand karein ge ke Deen ka konsa hissa naya ayaa hai? Mein bhi janna chaahoon ga .. tafseel se .. apna nazariya bataiyye ga, internet se copy paste nahi ..

 

[desicad]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Studies zaror honi chahiyae or date & source is indeed mention below... June 06

kis tarah ki studies aur konsr schools ki baat kar rahe ho.......
btw june 6 of what?

 

[eysonm]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Fact is he cant come back...

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

hmm.. very interesting .... i started reading with disgreening with ghamdi .. but now i feel hes right... just as an example to quote.... i was in class 4 and our maths teacher was a christian... i still remember my attitude towards his name.. i bluntly asked him "why dont u become a muslim sir; u will be rewarded this and this and this"... so this came into my mind because of waht i was taught in my islamyat... tat muslims will be in jannah and non muslism will burn in hell...

now i se ghamidi is right.. with an immature brain... its better to give religious education from class 5.... or atleast the content of the course shudnt be such that a childs mind is automatically tuned towards hatred for other sects/religion.. think what irresponsible madersaas do to their child students

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

kis tarah ki studies aur konsr schools ki baat kar rahe ho.......
btw june 6 of what?

article is sated June 2006...

Islamic Studies ki baat kr raha hu janab.......

 

[desicad]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

article is sated June 2006...

Islamic Studies ki baat kr raha hu janab.......

in which type of schools?....

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

No ... it is not irrelevant. Pichli discussion ka conclusion bhi Mullah ki dishonesty thi. Ab bhi yahi theme hai.

Aur ethics k lie sab se behtar waqt early childhood hota hai. I remember in my pre-school age my mother told me to not to ever b smoker and to not utter bad abuses like other ppl do.

Those advices were really hard coded in me in this way. So I am witness that Ghamidi Sahib's advice is solid.

And yes ... in the sense Ghamidi Sahib has adviced ... ethics is really different from Quran. Because ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah.

In my personal assessment root of ethics is CONTRADICTION. And to sense a CONTRADICTION is hard coded in human mind. Root of LOGIC is also this sense of CONTRADICTION.

For example we feel bad if someone torchours us. Now if we start torchouring some other then our mind will feel a sort of CONTRADICTION. In this way we can feel bad even when we are not being torchoured but just because we ourselves are torchouring someone other.

issi sense of CONTRADICTION ko perhaps ZAMEER kehte hain.

No in our previous Discussion I have shown enough proof to show that point you were takiing totaly againt Quran teaching.

any way.

after reading this from you
ethics is really different from Quran. Because ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah.

I think i should not take you serious as you are not thinking before saying any thing. ( i feel that)

1)ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah
Ture
But milion Dollor point is that did we find those ethics (if there are really ethics) in religion Islam or not?? we DID find Ethics in Islam. as
It is Religion Islam that says
[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2] Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct.(49:13)

So Religion is ETHICS.
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[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

hmm.. very interesting .... i started reading with disgreening with ghamdi .. but now i feel hes right... just as an example to quote.... i was in class 4 and our maths teacher was a christian... i still remember my attitude towards his name.. i bluntly asked him "why dont u become a muslim sir; u will be rewarded this and this and this"... so this came into my mind because of waht i was taught in my islamyat... tat muslims will be in jannah and non muslism will burn in hell...

now i se ghamidi is right.. with an immature brain... its better to give religious education from class 5.... or atleast the content of the course shudnt be such that a childs mind is automatically tuned towards hatred for other sects/religion.. think what irresponsible madersaas do to their child students

Believig that ohter non muslim will go to hell is not Hatered
by the way the believe same for us so what??

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Maulana Roomi once said, "Nations die when they cannot distinguish between right and wrong". This is a formula for all Nations around the world and if you look at it closely, Pakistan is being destroyed as a Nation just because people have forgotten what is right and what is wrong; Rather, bribes are being renamed as "bonuses" or "gifts".

Now the above statement does not say that Nations die because they don't follow their religion, rather emphasizes on moral ethics. Be it work ethics or any other type of ethic, the Pakistani Nation is being pushed into the stone-age cause of lack of ethics.

The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) said: "I have been sent to perfect the morals".

Therefore Morals and Ethics of the Quran should be taught before going into any deeper study of Quran. I completely agree with Ghamdi's suggestion, and those who are labelling Ghamdi should first check their own moral and ethical values and then see if their statements according to Quran and Hadith are worthy or not.

Everyone is more than welcome to disagree, but to label people without having met them and based on third party views and comments is utterly unethical.

To meet someone doesnt require to meet him face to face his books his talkshows are enough.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Sahabas' knew arabic very well, but still went to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) for interpretations of The Quran. Knowing Arabic does not relate to the study of Islam, rather understanding of Quran holds more value than the language itself.

Knowledge of Quran
right but knwoledge of Quran on basis of what??
Self imaginations??

from 1400 years Sahaba/ Tabain taba Tabaenn Fuqaha Ulema all were wrong and now we have someone saying that this and that