People who only follow Quran and reject hadiths & sunnah - Apostates?

[Citizen X]

The Qur’an emphasizes both belief in Allah and belief in His Messenger

Correction, not messenger, but messengers!

 

[Citizen X]

This bearded goat pathetic imbecile mullah calls a person who does not follow the Ahadith an apostate or Kaafir. Anyone who follows a man-made book other than the Quran is not adhering to its teachings.
observer-x

Don't bother tagging oBozo-X as predicted these mushriks always run away.

 

[Citizen X]

The Importance of Hadith: The Living Explanation of the Qur'an


In Islam, the Qur'an is the final, preserved, and complete word of Allah. It is the foundation of our faith, the ultimate source of guidance, and the light that leads the believer through every aspect of life. As Muslims, we turn to the Qur'an for everything — for our beliefs, our values, our laws, and our spiritual nourishment. It is, without a doubt, the Book of Truth.


However, while the Qur'an is perfect and sufficient, its wisdom is deep, and at times, its philosophy can be complex to fully grasp. This is where the Hadith — the sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) — serve an essential role. The Prophet’s life is the actionable form of the Qur'an. His behavior, decisions, and words are the living tafsir (exegesis) of the divine message.


Allah Himself in the Qur’an declares:
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example to follow..." (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:21)


This verse clearly establishes that the Prophet is not only a messenger but also a model for how the Qur’an is to be practiced in daily life. Without Hadith, how would we fully understand how to pray, fast, give zakat, or perform Hajj? These pillars are mentioned in the Qur’an, but their details — timing, method, conditions — are taught through the Prophet’s example.


Furthermore, Hadith provides context to many Qur’anic verses. Without knowing when and why certain verses were revealed (Asbab al-Nuzul), one might misinterpret their meaning or miss the depth of their guidance. The Prophet’s Sunnah helps ensure that our understanding of the Qur’an is correct, practical, and consistent with the spirit of Islam.


It is also important to recognize that Hadith complements the Qur’an — it does not compete with it. A sound Hadith will never contradict the Qur’an; rather, it helps explain and implement it. This is why the companions of the Prophet, and generations of scholars after them, always treated the Sunnah as a vital part of Islamic knowledge.


In conclusion, while the Qur’an is the central source of guidance for all Muslims, the Hadith plays a critical role in helping us understand and live by it. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the walking Qur’an — his life was a mirror of divine revelation. To follow the Qur’an properly, we must study the Hadith with care, respect, and a sincere heart — not to replace the Qur’an, but to be guided in how to apply it.

 

[Islamabadiya]

Provide any verse from the Quran that we have to follow the ahadith written some 200+ years after the demise of the Messenger.

jigrot has quoted you the verse you asked for, i wonder how you deny that as its clearly written in Quran to follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhamad PBUH

you often say 'quote something from Quran about a topic, and when we show you the verse from Quran, you either dont reply or post some youtube video

My question to you is, if you are not a even entry level expert in quran, why do you make so many threads here about only following the Quran only to end up not been able to back your claims/beliefs? doesnt this practice weaken your case?

I do not despise someone who only follows Quran, thats one's personal choice, but i think making absurd claims even if you are Quran only follower like Allah doesnt not want us to do Ibadaat, prayers are not needed, hujj zakat umrah taraweeh all are not real muslim stuff?

what is your definitaion of how a mulim's day to day life looks like as far as his connetion to the Almighty is concerned?

 

[Wake up Pak]

I understand that different people may approach faith in their own way, but from my perspective — and according to the teachings of mainstream Islam — saying the Shahada is essential. It’s not just a formality; it’s a powerful declaration that connects us to the very core of our faith: belief in the Oneness of Allah and the finality of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

So, if someone doesn’t say the Shahada, they may still believe in God, and they might identify as a Muslim in their own understanding. But they wouldn’t be considered a Muslim in the traditional sense that I follow — the one based on the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the consensus of generations of scholars.

The Shahada is more than words — it’s the doorway into the shared faith and unity of the Muslim Ummah.

How did the early Muslims testify before the Messenger Mohammad? Did they utter the Shahada? It makes no sense for anyone to utter a Shahada to be a Muslim.
To be a Muslim, you need to accept the teachings of the Quran, not some man-made Ahadith.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Importance of Hadith: The Living Explanation of the Qur'an


In Islam, the Qur'an is the final, preserved, and complete word of Allah. It is the foundation of our faith, the ultimate source of guidance, and the light that leads the believer through every aspect of life. As Muslims, we turn to the Qur'an for everything — for our beliefs, our values, our laws, and our spiritual nourishment. It is, without a doubt, the Book of Truth.


However, while the Qur'an is perfect and sufficient, its wisdom is deep, and at times, its philosophy can be complex to fully grasp. This is where the Hadith — the sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) — serve an essential role. The Prophet’s life is the actionable form of the Qur'an. His behavior, decisions, and words are the living tafsir (exegesis) of the divine message.


Allah Himself in the Qur’an declares:
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example to follow..." (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:21)


This verse clearly establishes that the Prophet is not only a messenger but also a model for how the Qur’an is to be practiced in daily life. Without Hadith, how would we fully understand how to pray, fast, give zakat, or perform Hajj? These pillars are mentioned in the Qur’an, but their details — timing, method, conditions — are taught through the Prophet’s example.


Furthermore, Hadith provides context to many Qur’anic verses. Without knowing when and why certain verses were revealed (Asbab al-Nuzul), one might misinterpret their meaning or miss the depth of their guidance. The Prophet’s Sunnah helps ensure that our understanding of the Qur’an is correct, practical, and consistent with the spirit of Islam.


It is also important to recognize that Hadith complements the Qur’an — it does not compete with it. A sound Hadith will never contradict the Qur’an; rather, it helps explain and implement it. This is why the companions of the Prophet, and generations of scholars after them, always treated the Sunnah as a vital part of Islamic knowledge.


In conclusion, while the Qur’an is the central source of guidance for all Muslims, the Hadith plays a critical role in helping us understand and live by it. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the walking Qur’an — his life was a mirror of divine revelation. To follow the Qur’an properly, we must study the Hadith with care, respect, and a sincere heart — not to replace the Qur’an, but to be guided in how to apply it.

How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Qur’anic Foundation of the Shahada
Though the exact wording of the Shahada is not presented in one single verse, its components are clearly established throughout the Qur’an:

Tawheed is affirmed repeatedly:
“La ilaha illa Huwa” – “There is no deity except Him” (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:255, Ayat al-Kursi).

The Messenger’s role is likewise affirmed:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah...” (Surah Al-Fath 48:29)
“Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...” (Surah An-Nisa 4:59)

The Qur’an emphasizes both belief in Allah and belief in His Messenger. To deny either is to fall short of complete faith. Therefore, the Shahada simply brings together these two essential beliefs in one declaration.

Why are you mixing the two verses?
Citizen X has already replied about obeying Allah & obeying the Messenger.

 

[Wake up Pak]

jigrot has quoted you the verse you asked for, i wonder how you deny that as its clearly written in Quran to follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhamad PBUH

you often say 'quote something from Quran about a topic, and when we show you the verse from Quran, you either dont reply or post some youtube video

My question to you is, if you are not a even entry level expert in quran, why do you make so many threads here about only following the Quran only to end up not been able to back your claims/beliefs? doesnt this practice weaken your case?

I do not despise someone who only follows Quran, thats one's personal choice, but i think making absurd claims even if you are Quran only follower like Allah doesnt not want us to do Ibadaat, prayers are not needed, hujj zakat umrah taraweeh all are not real muslim stuff?

what is your definitaion of how a mulim's day to day life looks like as far as his connetion to the Almighty is concerned?

I have replied about the quoted verse, as I usually do, but if you have any doubts, pick up the Quran and start reading it instead of me replying to every question. If you don't bother to watch the video, then not much I can do. You have to start somewhere.
I've never claimed to be an expert on the Quran, but a student. What I've learned so far is that, according to the Quran, not from some fabricated Ahadith books, which contain a lot of disgusting and insulting material about the Messenger, his wife, and the Sahaba.

 

[Islamabadiya]

I have replied about the quoted verse, as I usually do, but if you have any doubts, pick up the Quran and start reading it instead of me replying to every question. If you don't bother to watch the video, then not much I can do. You have to start somewhere.
I've never claimed to be an expert on the Quran, but a student. What I've learned so far is that, according to the Quran, not from some fabricated Ahadith books, which contain a lot of disgusting and insulting material about the Messenger, his wife, and the Sahaba.

so what about the verses i quoted in earlier threads, and now the one Jigrot quoted, what do you have to say about these?

 

[Citizen X]

How did the early Muslims testify before the Messenger Mohammad? Did they utter the Shahada? It makes no sense for anyone to utter a Shahada to be a Muslim.
To be a Muslim, you need to accept the teachings of the Quran, not some man-made Ahadith.

Forget early Muslims. Has he ever taken the shahada himself? Because accroding to this just being born Muslim is not enough. One has to say it with intention which means just reciting it while learning it as a child etc etc or repeating it while reading something doesn't count.

One has to recite it out loud with the intention of accepting Islam. SO unless he has done this, he isn't Muslim himself all his namaz, roza's, umrahs and zakats count for nothing since he is still isn't a Muslim.

 

[Wake up Pak]

so what about the verses i quoted in earlier threads, and now the one Jigrot quoted, what do you have to say about these?

I've replied to his quoted verse. Please go up the thread and read it.

 

[Islamabadiya]

I've replied to his quoted verse. Please go up the thread and read it.

didnt see any direct reply to that quote

woudl appreciate of you tell in few words of your own how you understand the verse quoted by Jigrot

 

[Wake up Pak]

Forget early Muslims. Has he ever taken the shahada himself? Because accroding to this just being born Muslim is not enough. One has to say it with intention which means just reciting it while learning it as a child etc etc or repeating it while reading something doesn't count.

One has to recite it out loud with the intention of accepting Islam. SO unless he has done this, he isn't Muslim himself all his namaz, roza's, umrahs and zakats count for nothing since he is still isn't a Muslim.

Muslims think that the religion of Islam came 1400 years ago through the Prophet Mohammad. They fail to realize that the earlier Prophets and their companions were Muslims as well.

 

[Wake up Pak]

didnt see any direct reply to that quote

woudl appreciate of you tell in few words of your own how you understand the verse quoted by Jigrot

How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.

 

[Islamabadiya]

How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.

kych smagah nahen aee is context kee

do you not believe that as Muslims, we have to follow the Sunnah? as per verse below?

Provide any verse from the Quran that we have to follow the ahadith written some 200+ years after the demise of the Messenger.

Allah Himself in the Qur’an declares:
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example to follow..." (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:21)

 

[Wake up Pak]

kych smagah nahen aee is context kee

do you not believe that as Muslims, we have to follow the Sunnah? as per verse below?


Allah Himself in the Qur’an declares:
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example to follow..." (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:21)

If the Messenger of Allah has an excellent example to follow,
What about this verse
How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Importance of Hadith: The Living Explanation of the Qur'an


In Islam, the Qur'an is the final, preserved, and complete word of Allah. It is the foundation of our faith, the ultimate source of guidance, and the light that leads the believer through every aspect of life. As Muslims, we turn to the Qur'an for everything — for our beliefs, our values, our laws, and our spiritual nourishment. It is, without a doubt, the Book of Truth.


However, while the Qur'an is perfect and sufficient, its wisdom is deep, and at times, its philosophy can be complex to fully grasp. This is where the Hadith — the sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) — serve an essential role. The Prophet’s life is the actionable form of the Qur'an. His behavior, decisions, and words are the living tafsir (exegesis) of the divine message.


Allah Himself in the Qur’an declares:
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example to follow..." (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:21)


This verse clearly establishes that the Prophet is not only a messenger but also a model for how the Qur’an is to be practiced in daily life. Without Hadith, how would we fully understand how to pray, fast, give zakat, or perform Hajj? These pillars are mentioned in the Qur’an, but their details — timing, method, conditions — are taught through the Prophet’s example.


Furthermore, Hadith provides context to many Qur’anic verses. Without knowing when and why certain verses were revealed (Asbab al-Nuzul), one might misinterpret their meaning or miss the depth of their guidance. The Prophet’s Sunnah helps ensure that our understanding of the Qur’an is correct, practical, and consistent with the spirit of Islam.


It is also important to recognize that Hadith complements the Qur’an — it does not compete with it. A sound Hadith will never contradict the Qur’an; rather, it helps explain and implement it. This is why the companions of the Prophet, and generations of scholars after them, always treated the Sunnah as a vital part of Islamic knowledge.


In conclusion, while the Qur’an is the central source of guidance for all Muslims, the Hadith plays a critical role in helping us understand and live by it. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the walking Qur’an — his life was a mirror of divine revelation. To follow the Qur’an properly, we must study the Hadith with care, respect, and a sincere heart — not to replace the Qur’an, but to be guided in how to apply it.

Ahadith were written some 200+ years after the demise of the Prophet. What authenticity do Ahadith hold? They are full of contradictions, and many ahadith are disgusting, derogatory, and outright insults to the Prophet and his companions.
The Quran mentions in several verses that it is complete and detailed, so why do we need any man-made books to complement or explain the Quran?
The Quran provides explanations for itself. By the way, I'm not claiming to be some expert on the Quran, I'm just a student who is on a learning path.

 

[Islamabadiya]

If the Messenger of Allah has an excellent example to follow,
What about this verse
How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham

what does the verse mean? not to follow?
arent mudlins supposed to believe in last Prophet's suuah?
Prophey Ibrahim lived much earlier

 

[Wake up Pak]

what does the verse mean? not to follow?
arent mudlins supposed to believe in last Prophet's suuah?
Prophey Ibrahim lived much earlier

How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?

 

[Wake up Pak]

what does the verse mean? not to follow?
arent mudlins supposed to believe in last Prophet's suuah?
Prophey Ibrahim lived much earlier

(45:6) These are God’s verses which we recite unto you [O Muhammad] truthfully. Therefore, in which HADITH other than GOD and His verses do they believe in?