Hadiths Do NOT Compliment the Quran

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The advocates of hadith are fond of saying that the hadith explains the Quran, without which, they say, the Quran cannot be understood. In other words, without hadith, they will have to reject the Quran or at least ignore it. The scholars also say that the hadith they call "Sahih Bukhari" is the best hadith.

The explanation of the Quran by Imam Bukhari. Although the Quran has 114 surahs or chapters, Bukhari does not explain all the verses in all the surahs. Sura 2, Al Baqarah has 286 verses, but Bukhari only provides hadith for about 50 verses. This is slightly over 20% of Al Baqarah. Bukhari has left the Ulamma groping in the dark over the remaining 80%.
Sura AL Kauther (Sura 108) is the shortest surah in the Quran, with only 3 verses. However, Bukhari "attempts" to explain the meaning of just one word, "Kauther," as sufficient to explain this whole Sura. Bukhari says, "Kauther" is a river in heaven.​

 

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The scholars insist that the hadith explains the Quran. Hence, the scholars have to do away with 28 Surahs of the Quran because Bukhari did not explain these 28 Surahs..
Therefore, the boast by the scholars that those who uphold the QURAN ALONE and do NOT depend on the hadith at all, cannot understand the Quran, falls FLAT on its face.

 

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Quranism and Mainstream Islam: A Comparative Doctrinal and Methodological Analysis

Introduction​

Quranism, a movement within Islam, advocates for the Quran as the sole source of religious guidance, rejecting the Hadith and Sunnah. This perspective contrasts with mainstream Islamic thought, which considers the Hadith and Sunnah as essential for interpreting the Quran and implementing Islamic law. Non-Muslim scholars have analyzed these differing viewpoints, providing critical insights into their origins, methodologies, and impacts.

Historical Roots of Quranism​

Modern Quranist ideology can trace some of its roots to reformist thinkers like Ghulam Ahmed Parwez and later Rashad Khalifa, who advocated for a Quran-centric Islam and challenged the authority of classical Hadith literature. Their arguments gained traction in the 20th century amidst growing calls for modernist interpretations of religion. However, these figures introduced theological innovations that diverged significantly from classical Sunni and Shia traditions.

Historical Context and Development​

The mainstream Islamic tradition has historically emphasized the importance of Hadith literature in understanding the Quran. Joseph Schacht (1950), a prominent orientalist, argued that Islamic jurisprudence developed through the integration of Hadiths, which were instrumental in shaping legal and ethical norms within the Muslim community. Schacht's analysis underscores the centrality of Hadith in the formation of Islamic law and its application across diverse contexts.

In contrast, Quranists assert that the Quran is complete and self-explanatory, negating the need for supplementary texts. This approach challenges the traditional reliance on Hadith and raises questions about the adaptability and comprehensiveness of Islamic law without these sources.

Academic Perspectives on Quranism​

Non-Muslim scholars have critically examined the Quranist position, often highlighting its limitations. Michael Cook (2000), in his work The Koran: A Very Short Introduction, notes that the exclusion of Hadith literature can lead to a fragmented understanding of Islamic practices and beliefs. He emphasizes that the Hadith provides context and elaboration necessary for the practical implementation of Quranic principles.

Similarly, Patricia Crone (2004) indicates that the historical development of Islamic institutions and rituals cannot be fully comprehended without considering the Hadith. She argues that the Hadith serves as a vital link between the Quran and the lived experiences of the early Muslim community, facilitating a more nuanced understanding of Islamic teachings.

Wael Hallaq (2005) also points to the indispensable role of classical jurists in preserving the interpretive tradition. Harald Motzki (2002) has offered rigorous analysis of Hadith transmission, demonstrating its methodological robustness when compared to other historical traditions.

Quranists and Demographic Reality: A Quantitative Perspective​

While Quranist ideas have gained visibility through online platforms, their actual presence within the global Muslim community remains marginal. Scholars, demographers, and observers have repeatedly emphasized this discrepancy between perceived digital influence and real-world adherence.

1. Lack of Census Recognition​

Most national censuses do not document religious affiliation at the level of interpretive schools (e.g., Sunni, Shia, Quranist). As a result, there are no official demographic statistics available to quantify Quranist populations across the Muslim world.

2. Scholarly Observations: A Marginal Minority​

Academic literature consistently characterizes Quranists (also referred to as Quraniyoon or Hadith rejecters) as a fringe movement within the broader Islamic tradition:

“The Qur'an-only movement... remains marginal and is often viewed with suspicion or hostility by mainstream Sunni and Shia communities.”
— John L. Esposito, The Oxford Dictionary of Islam (2003)

“Groups that deny the Sunnah have not managed to gain broad support and are generally considered heterodox within the Islamic world.”
— Wael B. Hallaq, Authority, Continuity, and Change in Islamic Law (2001)

3. Regional Patterns of Quranist Influence​

• Pakistan: Quranist thought emerged in the 20th century through reformers like Ghulam Ahmed Parwez and the Tolu-e-Islam movement. While intellectually prominent in niche circles, Quranism has not found broad communal support. Estimated adherents are less than 0.1% of Pakistan’s Muslim population.
• Egypt and the Arab World: Figures such as Ahmed Subhy Mansour promoted Quranist theology before facing political exile. Quranist influence here remains limited and largely virtual.
• Western Contexts: In North America and Europe, some individuals promote Quranism via YouTube, blogs, or fringe publications. However, the movement lacks any institutional structure, seminary system, or communal recognition

4. Comparative Indicators​

Group	Estimated Global Share	Scholarly Consensus
Mainstream Muslims (Sunni + Shia)	~99.99% of Muslims	Accept Hadith and Sunnah as integral sources of law and theology
Quranists	<0.01%	Largely considered heterodox or fringe; minimal institutional support

5. Summary​

Although digital platforms amplify Quranist messaging, their influence within Muslim-majority societies and scholarly institutions remains negligible. Theological critiques, rejection of the Sunnah, and refusal to engage with classical jurisprudence place Quranist ideology outside the interpretive framework that has defined Islam for over 1,400 years.

Comparative Framework: Quranists vs. Mainstream Muslims​

The following table presents 30 key doctrinal and methodological differences between Quranists and mainstream Muslims, offering one of the most detailed comparative references available for academic and interfaith engagement.

#	Topic	Quranists	Mainstream Muslims
1	Primary Source	Quran only	Quran + Sunnah + Hadith
2	Authority of Hadith	Rejected	Accepted with authentication
3	Definition of Sunnah	Often denied or reinterpreted	Prophetic model
4	Daily Prayers (Salat)	Disputed, symbolic, or redefined	5 daily prayers as taught by the Prophet
5	Fasting (Sawm)	Metaphorical or loosely interpreted	Obligatory Ramadan fasting
6	Zakat	General charity only	Fixed rates and categories
7	Hajj	Rejected or reinterpreted	Classical pilgrimage rituals
8	Umrah	Absent or non-binding	Encouraged and practiced Sunnah
9	Qiblah	Optional or irrelevant	Face Kaaba in prayer per Quran (2:144)
10	Role of Prophet	Messenger only (postman model)	Messenger + explainer + role model
11	Ijmaʿ (Consensus)	Rejected	Accepted as source of law
12	Qiyas (Analogy)	Rejected	Accepted method of legal reasoning
13	Isnad (Hadith chains)	Irrelevant	Essential for verifying reports
14	Tafsir (Exegesis)	Self-interpretation only	Based on classical and linguistic scholarship
15	Language/Context	Literalist, dismisses historical context	Grammar, reasons of revelation, contextual reading
16	Juristic Schools	Rejected	Recognized schools (Hanafi, Shafi‘i, etc.)
17	Fiqh (Law)	Dismissed or minimal	Developed through juristic reasoning and ijmaʿ
18	Scholarly Authority	Rejected or mocked	Respected and preserved through isnād
19	Bidʿah (Innovation)	Often redefined	Rejected if it contradicts usul (principles)
20	Marriage Law	Vague or deconstructed	Based on Quran + Sunnah + fiqh
21	Inheritance Law	Simplified or reinterpreted	Based on Quran + detailed fiqh rulings
22	Hudud Punishments	Rejected	Based on Quran + Sunnah
23	Hijab	Often dismissed as cultural	Obligatory as per Quran (24:31, 33:59)
24	Taqleed (Following Scholars)	Condemned	Accepted with understanding
25	Companions (Sahabah)	Distrusted or dismissed	Honored and preserved legacy
26	Unity and Ummah	Individualistic	Collective identity central
27	Adhan (Call to Prayer)	Rarely practiced	Institutionalized
28	Eid Rituals	Reinterpreted	Based on Prophetic practice
29	Funeral Rites	Inconsistent	Structured per Hadith
30	View on Tradition	Reformist, ahistorical	Rooted in ijmaʿ, sanad, and Sunnah

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Glossary of Key Terms​

1. Qur'an
   The central religious text of Islam, believed by Muslims to be the literal word of God (Allah), revealed to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) over a period of 23 years.
2. Hadith
   Narrations of the sayings, actions, approvals, and disapprovals of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hadith literature forms the second most authoritative source of Islamic law and guidance after the Qur’an.
3. Sunnah
   The lived tradition and example of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), encompassing his practices, decisions, and moral conduct. The Sunnah is derived from authentic Hadith and considered essential for understanding the Qur’an.
4. Ijmaʿ (Consensus)
   The consensus or unanimous agreement of qualified Islamic scholars on a point of Islamic law. Considered a source of legislation in mainstream Sunni jurisprudence.
5. Qiyas (Analogical Reasoning)
   A method of deducing Islamic legal rulings for new issues by analogy with established rulings. It involves comparing a new case with an original case that has a clear ruling in the Qur'an or Sunnah.
6. Isnād
   The chain of narrators through whom a hadith has been transmitted. The strength and authenticity of a hadith are largely determined by the reliability and continuity of its isnād.
7. Matn
   The actual text or content of a hadith. Along with isnād, the matn is analyzed for consistency with established Islamic principles.
8. Tafsir
   Qur’anic exegesis or interpretation. Classical tafsir involves linguistic, legal, historical, and theological analysis by qualified scholars (e.g., Al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir).
9. Fiqh
   Islamic jurisprudence; the human understanding and application of Sharia (Islamic law), based on the Qur’an, Sunnah, ijmaʿ, and qiyas. Developed through the work of jurists and legal scholars.
10. Sharia
    The moral and legal framework derived from divine sources in Islam, primarily the Qur’an and Sunnah, encompassing all aspects of a Muslim’s life.
11. Taqleed
    The practice of following the legal opinions of a qualified scholar or juristic school without demanding proof for every ruling. Contrasted with ijtihad (independent reasoning).
12. Bidʿah (Innovation)
    An innovation in religious matters. In Islamic law, it generally refers to introducing practices into religion that have no basis in the Qur’an or authentic Sunnah.
13. Madhhab
    A recognized school of Islamic jurisprudence (e.g., Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i, Hanbali) that interprets and applies Islamic law based on foundational texts.
14. Sahabah (Companions)
    The companions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who directly learned from him and transmitted his teachings. They are considered reliable sources for understanding the Prophet’s practices.
15. Salat (Prayer)
    The five daily ritual prayers prescribed in Islam. It includes specific physical postures and recitations, based on the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
16. Sawm (Fasting)
    The act of abstaining from food, drink, and other physical needs from dawn to sunset during the month of Ramadan, as prescribed in the Qur’an and explained in Hadith.
17. Zakat
    A mandatory form of almsgiving and one of the Five Pillars of Islam. It requires Muslims to give a fixed portion (typically 2.5%) of their wealth to those in need.
18. Hajj
    The pilgrimage to Mecca, obligatory once in a lifetime for all Muslims who are physically and financially able. It includes specific rites established by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
19. Umrah
    The lesser pilgrimage to Mecca, which can be performed at any time of the year and includes rituals that are part of Hajj but in a shorter format.
20. Qiblah
    The direction that Muslims face during prayer — towards the Kaaba in Mecca. Established in the Qur’an (2:144) and practiced universally by Muslims.

Conclusion​

The examination of Quranism through the lens of non-Muslim scholarship reveals significant departures from mainstream Islamic thought. While the Quranist emphasis on the primacy of the Quran reflects a desire for purity in religious practice, the exclusion of Hadith literature overlooks the historical and practical dimensions that have shaped Islam's development.

This article has demonstrated that Quranism diverges substantially from mainstream Islamic thought, both in methodology and outcome. Drawing upon the works of non-Muslim scholars, the study illustrates the essential role that Hadith and Sunnah have historically played in the interpretation, implementation, and preservation of Islamic law and theology.

Future research may continue exploring the sociological and digital dynamics behind the spread of Quranist ideologies, but from a classical jurisprudential and theological standpoint, Quranism represents a significant departure from Islam as understood and practiced for over fourteen centuries.

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References:​

Cook, M. (2000). The Koran: A very short introduction. Oxford University Press.

Crone, P. (2004). God's rule: Government and Islam. Columbia University Press.

Hallaq, W. B. (2005). The origins and evolution of Islamic law. Cambridge University Press.

Motzki, H. (2002). The origins of Islamic jurisprudence: Meccan fiqh before the classical schools. Brill Academic Publishers.

Schacht, J. (1950). The origins of Muhammadan jurisprudence. Oxford University Press.

Esposito, J. L. (2003). The Oxford dictionary of Islam. Oxford University Press.

Hallaq, W. B. (2001). Authority, continuity and change in Islamic law. Cambridge University Press.

 

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This is why the Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. There is no answer for this issue whatsoever for the Quranist.

There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities.

Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3.

So the question is......After the death of the prophet (saw); Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can you give us some names?

Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people?

Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.

Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? Some try to answer this huge crisis of faith by just claiming to believe in the Quran alone just because of its message. That doesn’t work either. The message is beautiful no doubt. But still it remains things could have been removed and outright omitted while maintaining the beauty of the book. You would have no clue if there was even more in it; making that point irrelevant.

To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do you people even realize that this is the exact thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.

And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (saw) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.

All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (saw) was gone. It is illogical and borderline idiotic to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.

The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t use Abu bakr or any other sahaba. You can’t double talk your way out of this. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.

 

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@marcorolo4726​

1 year ago

This is why the Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. There is no answer for this issue whatsoever for the Quranist.

There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities.

Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3.

So the question is......After the death of the prophet (saw); Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can you give us some names?

Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people?

Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.

Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? Some try to answer this huge crisis of faith by just claiming to believe in the Quran alone just because of its message. That doesn’t work either. The message is beautiful no doubt. But still it remains things could have been removed and outright omitted while maintaining the beauty of the book. You would have no clue if there was even more in it; making that point irrelevant.

To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do you people even realize that this is the exact thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.

And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (saw) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.

All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (saw) was gone. It is illogical and borderline idiotic to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.

The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t use Abu bakr or any other sahaba. You can’t double talk your way out of this. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.

The Quran issues a unique challenge to humanity to produce something like it, emphasizing its divine origin and unmatched linguistic and spiritual excellence. This challenge is found in multiple verses, escalating in intensity:

1.​

• Surah Al-Isra (17:88)
  "Say, 'If mankind and the jinn gathered to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like, even if they assisted one another.'"
  
  • This verse states that even if all humans and jinn collaborated, they could not replicate the Quran’s depth, eloquence, and guidance.

2.​

• Surah Hud (11:13)
  "Or do they say, 'He invented it'? Say, 'Then bring ten chapters like it, invented, and call upon whomever you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.'"
  
  • The challenge is reduced to producing just 10 Surahs of similar excellence.

3.​

• Surah Al-Baqarah (2:23)
  "And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a Surah like it, and call upon your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful."
• Surah Yunus (10:38)
  "Or do they say, 'He forged it'? Say, 'Then bring a Surah like it and call upon whomever you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.'"
• Surah At-Tur (52:33-34)
  "Or do they say, 'He has made it up'? Rather, they do not believe. Then let them produce a statement like it, if they are truthful."

Why Has No One Been Able to Meet This Challenge?​

1. Linguistic Miracle
   
   • The Quran’s Arabic is unparalleled in its eloquence, rhythm, and depth. Even the most skilled Arab poets and linguists of the time (who took pride in their language) failed to imitate it.
2. Prophetic Knowledge
   
   • The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) was unlettered (Ummi), making it impossible for him to compose such a work on his own.
3. Scientific & Historical Accuracy
   
   • The Quran contains facts that were unknown at the time (e.g., embryology, cosmic phenomena) yet align with modern science.
4. Consistency Over 23 Years
   
   • The Quran was revealed piecemeal over 23 years in different circumstances, yet it maintains perfect coherence without contradictions.
     "Do they not ponder the Quran? Had it been from other than Allah, they would have found in it much discrepancy." (4:82)
5. Spiritual & Legal Perfection
   
   • Its teachings on morality, law, and spirituality remain timeless and universally applicable.

Historical Attempts & Failures​

• Musaylimah the Liar (a false prophet during the Prophet’s time) tried to imitate the Quran but produced incoherent, ridiculous verses.
• Many Arab poets and critics attempted but failed, with some embracing Islam after realizing the Quran’s inimitability.

Conclusion​

The Quran’s challenge remains unanswered for over 1,400 years, serving as eternal proof of its divine origin. No human or jinn has ever matched its linguistic brilliance, wisdom, and guidance.

 

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The advocates of hadith are fond of saying that the hadith explains the Quran, without which, they say, the Quran cannot be understood. In other words, without hadith, they will have to reject the Quran or at least ignore it. The scholars also say that the hadith they call "Sahih Bukhari" is the best hadith.

The explanation of the Quran by Imam Bukhari. Although the Quran has 114 surahs or chapters, Bukhari does not explain all the verses in all the surahs. Sura 2, Al Baqarah has 286 verses, but Bukhari only provides hadith for about 50 verses. This is slightly over 20% of Al Baqarah. Bukhari has left the Ulamma groping in the dark over the remaining 80%.
Sura AL Kauther (Sura 108) is the shortest surah in the Quran, with only 3 verses. However, Bukhari "attempts" to explain the meaning of just one word, "Kauther," as sufficient to explain this whole Sura. Bukhari says, "Kauther" is a river in heaven.​

Bro what is this! This was going to be the subject matter of my next thread. Chalo koi baat nai

 

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The Quran issues a unique challenge to humanity to produce something like it, emphasizing its divine origin and unmatched linguistic and spiritual excellence. This challenge is found in multiple verses, escalating in intensity:

1.​

• Surah Al-Isra (17:88)
  "Say, 'If mankind and the jinn gathered to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like, even if they assisted one another.'"
  • This verse states that even if all humans and jinn collaborated, they could not replicate the Quran’s depth, eloquence, and guidance.

2.​

• Surah Hud (11:13)
  "Or do they say, 'He invented it'? Say, 'Then bring ten chapters like it, invented, and call upon whomever you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.'"
  • The challenge is reduced to producing just 10 Surahs of similar excellence.

3.​

• Surah Al-Baqarah (2:23)
  "And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a Surah like it, and call upon your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful."
• Surah Yunus (10:38)
  "Or do they say, 'He forged it'? Say, 'Then bring a Surah like it and call upon whomever you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.'"
• Surah At-Tur (52:33-34)
  "Or do they say, 'He has made it up'? Rather, they do not believe. Then let them produce a statement like it, if they are truthful."

Why Has No One Been Able to Meet This Challenge?​

1. Linguistic Miracle
   • The Quran’s Arabic is unparalleled in its eloquence, rhythm, and depth. Even the most skilled Arab poets and linguists of the time (who took pride in their language) failed to imitate it.
2. Prophetic Knowledge
   • The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) was unlettered (Ummi), making it impossible for him to compose such a work on his own.
3. Scientific & Historical Accuracy
   • The Quran contains facts that were unknown at the time (e.g., embryology, cosmic phenomena) yet align with modern science.
4. Consistency Over 23 Years
   • The Quran was revealed piecemeal over 23 years in different circumstances, yet it maintains perfect coherence without contradictions.
     "Do they not ponder the Quran? Had it been from other than Allah, they would have found in it much discrepancy." (4:82)
5. Spiritual & Legal Perfection
   • Its teachings on morality, law, and spirituality remain timeless and universally applicable.

Historical Attempts & Failures​

• Musaylimah the Liar (a false prophet during the Prophet’s time) tried to imitate the Quran but produced incoherent, ridiculous verses.
• Many Arab poets and critics attempted but failed, with some embracing Islam after realizing the Quran’s inimitability.

Conclusion​

The Quran’s challenge remains unanswered for over 1,400 years, serving as eternal proof of its divine origin. No human or jinn has ever matched its linguistic brilliance, wisdom, and guidance.

ChatGPT!!!

 

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@marcorolo4726​

1 year ago

This is why the Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. There is no answer for this issue whatsoever for the Quranist.

There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities.

Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3.

So the question is......After the death of the prophet (saw); Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can you give us some names?

Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people?

Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.

Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? Some try to answer this huge crisis of faith by just claiming to believe in the Quran alone just because of its message. That doesn’t work either. The message is beautiful no doubt. But still it remains things could have been removed and outright omitted while maintaining the beauty of the book. You would have no clue if there was even more in it; making that point irrelevant.

To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do you people even realize that this is the exact thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.

And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (saw) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.

All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (saw) was gone. It is illogical and borderline idiotic to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.

The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t use Abu bakr or any other sahaba. You can’t double talk your way out of this. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.

And the answer to all this copy and pasted jibberish is

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an, and indeed, We will be its guardian."
— Qur'an 15:9

And as a believing Muslim that is more than enough for me I don't need any Isnad from Abu Fulana heard Ibn Dhamkana heard Abu Bhindi heard Ibn Kadoo heard Abu Baigan blah blah blah

See how these people try to mix hadith and Quran as if they are the same thing or and equal in stature. If our hadith cannot be right than Quran cannot also cannot be right so if you believe in the Quran you HAVE to believe in the hadith or vice versa because they are virtually the same thing.

These are the tricks that these human shaitans try to play.

 

[observer-x]

Once again, Mr. copy and paste from ChatGPT is reposting the same content repeatedly.
عؔلی خان

The person who only forwards unknown videos now criticizing others for using chatgpt content. Hilarious

 

[observer-x]

Citizen X and Wake up Pak How do you bury your dead family members like your father, mother, son, daughter, husband, wife? Since any islamic ritual is shirk for you guys.

Cremation OR parsi style vulture feeding OR do their dead body just rot in your houses?

 

[Wake up Pak]

The person who only forwards unknown videos now criticizing others for using chatgpt content. Hilarious

This person keeps publishing posts about ChatGPT, but can't answer any questions, and only wants to interrupt.
As for you, do you know any other word besides Pervaizi?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Citizen X and Wake up Pak How do you bury your dead family members like your father, mother, son, daughter, husband, wife? Since any islamic ritual is shirk for you guys.

Cremation OR parsi style vulture feeding OR do their dead body just rot in your houses?

You do not need funeral prayers, nor does the dead body need to be washed, or wrapped in unstitched white clothes. All of these make no sense. It just needs to be buried.

 

[observer-x]

As for you, do you know any other word besides Pervaizi?

I know it hurts, I feel for ya.

I can't change your identity. But I can show you your filthy face in the mirror many times a day.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I know it hurts, I feel for ya.

I can't change your identity. But I can show you your filthy face in the mirror many times a day.

At least I'm not a cult follower, filthy rat like you. If believing the Quran alone hurts your tiny brain, so be it.

 

[observer-x]

At least I'm not a cult follower, filthy rat like you. If believing the Quran alone hurts your tiny brain, so be it.

Forget about everything about me, focus on you and just tell me how do/ did you bury your dead parents? According to Islamic rituals?

 

[observer-x]

You do not need funeral prayers, nor does the dead body need to be washed, or wrapped in unstitched white clothes. All of these make no sense. It just needs to be buried.

So you feed them to vultures? Or cremate them?