monk1985

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: پاکستان کیسے بنا، بچا اور بچے گا

Pakistan key issue is "Jagirdari Nizam"...............Until we will not abolish it. I do not see any change in the country.
This is the class who is sucking blood from day one. They manuplate system in their favour. Abusing power and getting richer and richer.
They got the jagir from Britishers because of their loyality and support with them.
India and even Bagladesh abolish the system immediately in 1947 but we could not do it in Pakistan. if you analyse the situation all key issues will lead you towards them.
 

meezan

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

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WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

@meezan
No need of DEBATE on This ISSUE


 
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_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

@WatanDost you are really dumm and fitna in Humanity. you did not listen the debate and give your comments.

The picture you posted here ,it shows your character and shows your religion's teaching ,what your religion tells you.But Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh never taught Sahaba such things.
@meezan
No need of DEBATE on This ISSUE


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WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

@WatanDost you are really dumm and fitna in Humanity. you did not listen the debate and give your comments.

The picture you posted here ,it shows your character and shows your religion's teaching ,what your religion tells you.But Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh never taught Sahaba such things.

Oh really If A FITNA preacher and Follwers of Fitna like GHAMDI
Feels a PAIN when I Stripoff FITNA e GHAMDI than its OK You can Say whatever You Like.
Cheers.
;););)
I just Showed The HEADLINE of thread no need to go in Detail.
THE GHAMDI point of View is Clear in 23 seconds Video.
Why he was DEBATING ??? Strange :(:(:(
 

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

aap aik line say kisi kay full point of view samjnay ki koshish ker rahy hain, tou aap apni aqal ka khud andaza laga lain.

Oh really If A FITNA preacher and Follwers of Fitna like GHAMDI
Feels a PAIN when I Stripoff FITNA e GHAMDI than its OK You can Say whatever You Like.
Cheers.
;););)
I just Showed The HEADLINE of thread no need to go in Detail.
THE GHAMDI point of View is Clear in 23 seconds Video.
Why he was DEBATING ??? Strange :(:(:(
 

raz30

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

@WatanDost you are really dumm and fitna in Humanity. you did not listen the debate and give your comments.

The picture you posted here ,it shows your character and shows your religion's teaching ,what your religion tells you.But Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh never taught Sahaba such things.

so you are in favour of Ghamidi's views ... state should be niether Islamic ... nor secular ...

so that means that the Orders Given in Quran are wrong ? )استغفراللہ (

the life spent in struggle by our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was a waste ? )استغفراللہ (

القرآن 2-193

اور ان سے جنگ کرتے رہو حتٰی کہ کوئی فتنہ باقی نہ رہے اور دین (یعنی زندگی اور بندگی کا نظام عملًا) اﷲ ہی کے تابع ہو جائے، پھر اگر وہ باز آجائیں تو سوائے ظالموں کے کسی پر زیادتی روا نہیں


اَمْ لَهُمْ شُرَكٰۗؤُا شَرَعُوْا لَهُمْ مِّنَ الدِّيْنِ مَا لَمْ يَاْذَنْۢ بِهِ اللّٰهُ ۭ وَلَوْلَا كَلِمَةُ الْفَصْلِ لَـقُضِيَ بَيْنَهُمْ ۭ وَاِنَّ الظّٰلِمِيْنَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ اَلِيْمٌ 21؀
کیا انہوں نے اپنے لیے (اللہ کے) کچھ ایسے شریکِ مقرر کر لیے ہیں جنہوں نے ان کے لیے دین کی نوعیت کا ایسا کچھ مقرر کر دیا ہے جس کا اللہ نے اِذن نہیں دیا؟ اگر فیصلے کی بات طے نہ ہو گئی ہوتی تو ان کا قضیہ چکا دیا گیا ہوتا۔ یقینا ان ظالموں کے لیے دردناک عذاب ہے۔
۴۲: ا لشوریٰ۔آیت نمبر ۲
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

aap aik line say kisi kay full point of view samjnay ki koshish ker rahy hain, tou aap apni aqal ka khud andaza laga lain.
بھولے بادشاہو

[HI]کتاب اپنے عنوان سے ہی پہچانی جاتی ہے
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آپ نے کبھی فزکس کی کتاب میں کیمسٹری پڑھی ہے
 

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

tou aap quran ki us ayat ko kistarah lain gay ,jismain kaha gia hay kay namaz kay qareeb matjao.

wesye yahan physics aur chemistry ki baat nahin ho rahi.

aap nay jo tasweer post ki hay us ka jawab nahin dia, kia holy prophet Muhammad pbuh nay ye taleem di hay?

بھولے بادشاہو

[HI]کتاب اپنے عنوان سے ہی پہچانی جاتی ہے
[/HI]
آپ نے کبھی فزکس کی کتاب میں کیمسٹری پڑھی ہے
 

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

Who will decide ,who and what is fitna?? In my point of view ZIAul-haq, OSama bin ladin and Mullah umar are fitna of Islam.
so you are in favour of Ghamidi's views ... state should be niether Islamic ... nor secular ...

so that means that the Orders Given in Quran are wrong ? )استغفراللہ (

the life spent in struggle by our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was a waste ? )استغفراللہ (

القرآن 2-193

اور ان سے جنگ کرتے رہو حتٰی کہ کوئی فتنہ باقی نہ رہے اور دین (یعنی زندگی اور بندگی کا نظام عملًا) اﷲ ہی کے تابع ہو جائے، پھر اگر وہ باز آجائیں تو سوائے ظالموں کے کسی پر زیادتی روا نہیں


اَمْ لَهُمْ شُرَكٰۗؤُا شَرَعُوْا لَهُمْ مِّنَ الدِّيْنِ مَا لَمْ يَاْذَنْۢ بِهِ اللّٰهُ ۭ وَلَوْلَا كَلِمَةُ الْفَصْلِ لَـقُضِيَ بَيْنَهُمْ ۭ وَاِنَّ الظّٰلِمِيْنَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ اَلِيْمٌ 21؀
کیا انہوں نے اپنے لیے (اللہ کے) کچھ ایسے شریکِ مقرر کر لیے ہیں جنہوں نے ان کے لیے دین کی نوعیت کا ایسا کچھ مقرر کر دیا ہے جس کا اللہ نے اِذن نہیں دیا؟ اگر فیصلے کی بات طے نہ ہو گئی ہوتی تو ان کا قضیہ چکا دیا گیا ہوتا۔ یقینا ان ظالموں کے لیے دردناک عذاب ہے۔
۴۲: ا لشوریٰ۔آیت نمبر ۲
@meezan
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

tou aap quran ki us ayat ko kistarah lain gay ,jismain kaha gia hay kay namaz kay qareeb matjao.

wesye yahan physics aur chemistry ki baat nahin ho rahi.

aap nay jo tasweer post ki hay us ka jawab nahin dia, kia holy prophet Muhammad pbuh nay ye taleem di hay?


Munna Ji
Aaap ki Purani post lagaoon? Jis mai AAP baray Masoomana andaz main
Neutral ban kar Sawal kar rahay thai.
Yeahi woh Khasosiat hai jo DAJAL kai pairokaron Ka Trade Mark hai.
Ab main Tafseel main jaoon ga tow aap naraaz ho jain gai.

Aap ghamdi ko Admire kartay hain KHUL kar bolain aor pehlay din sai Bolain.
Yehan koi Zoar zabardasti tow hai nahi.

Mai GHAMDI sai Totally IKHTILAAF karta hoon,
Aur DANKAY ki CHOAT per karta hoon.

"NAMAZ kai Kareeb mat jao" kai aagay HALAT baYan ki gai kai kiss haal mai mat jao.
Ab aap QADIYANIOON ki tarah Dalail per Uttar aei hain.

Masala Yeah hai kai IJTIHAD bhi aik Boundary main reh kar ho sakta hai
Jo us sai bahir niklay ka DEEN e ISLAM main Ijtihaad karnay kai LiYe.
Tow
Woh Haq nahi rakhta IJTIHAD ka.

Ab AAP simply batao.
Ghamdi nai KOI reference Nahi DiYa BAS
APNA MOAQAF dai dia Kai
"Aurat Aurat ka Nikah parha sakti hai"

Jab Kai Hadith Nabwi SAW keh rahi hai kai
"Yeah ZANA ho ga Nikah nahi"

Ab aap GHAMDI sai poochain Kai KOON SA DEEN SIKHA raha HAI ???
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

Who will decide ,who and what is fitna?? In my point of view ZIAul-haq, OSama bin ladin and Mullah umar are fitna of Islam.
@meezan

Sahi Farma rahay hain Janab
Ab Mushkil Yeah hai kai
Yeah TEEN 3 Afrad Zati Haisiat main jaisay BHI HOON.

Laikin Yeah Poori DUNIYA maanti hai kai,
AIK Firoan e WAQAT ko Kissi na kissi HAD tak TIKHANAY laganay main
"MULAWIS HAIN"

Aur Doosray 2 FIrOAN e WAQT ki TAANGAIN CHATH sai Lagai howi hain

GHAMDI nai KOON sa KArNAMA anjaam diYa hai.
Yeah tow JAAN BACHA kar MALAYSIA mai Chuppa Baita hai.
Bas yeahi AIK KArNAMA HAI es ka.
 

meezan

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Debate on Muslim State - Dr Israr Ahmed and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

Who will decide ,who and what is fitna?? In my point of view ZIAul-haq, OSama bin ladin and Mullah umar are fitna of Islam.
@meezan

Ghamidi sahib ne is debate me bta diya hai k woh ahkaam haas hain Nabi saw or Sahaba ra k liyae...
 

sajoo

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Best approch to understand Islam

Dr Israr was a gem of the Islamic scholarship in the modern era. May Allah grant him highest place in Jannah for his tireless efforts to understand and teach the noble Quran.
 

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