Hadith rejectors eventually end up being Quran rejectors.

Wake up Pak

Wake up Pak

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Islamabadiya said:
Of course but am not even near expert
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I am not an expert either just a student of The Quran, but so far what I have read and watched videos and articles is clear that you do not need outside sources like ahadith/sunnah, etc. to understand the Quran.
 
karachiwala

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Rejecters of Hadith cannot prove many things from Quran alone hence they abandon them all together like Salat, Hajj, Fasting etc. Then they wil tell you they believe in Quran
 
wasiqjaved

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

Hadith Rejectors vs. Hadith Followers – A Call for Wisdom, Balance, and Unity​


The question of whether Hadith should be considered an essential source of Islamic guidance, alongside the Qur’an, has sparked intense debate in modern times. On one side stand traditional Muslims who accept the Hadith and Sunnah as the practical explanation and application of the Qur’an. On the other side are Qur’an-only adherents (often called Quraniyoon) who believe the Qur’an alone is sufficient and reject Hadith literature as unreliable, man-made, or later additions to the faith.

🔹 The Traditional View: Qur’an + Hadith​

The traditional Islamic understanding — held by Sunni and Shia scholars for over 1,400 years — is that:
  • The Qur’an is the word of Allah, while the Sunnah (Prophetic tradition) explains and implements it.
  • Hadith are vital in defining the details of prayer (Salah), fasting (Sawm), pilgrimage (Hajj), inheritance laws, criminal justice, and more.
  • The Qur’an itself repeatedly commands obedience to the Prophet ﷺ:

    “Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah…” (Qur’an 4:80)
    “Take whatever the Messenger gives you and abstain from what he forbids you.” (59:7)
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Scholars argue that without Hadith, one cannot practice Islam fully, as the Qur’an provides principles, but the Hadith gives practical application.


🔹 The Qur’an-Only View: God’s Word is Enough​

On the other side, Qur’anists argue:
  • The Qur’an is complete, clear, and sufficient, as it states:

    “We have not neglected anything in the Book.” (Qur’an 6:38)
    “This is the Book… a detailed explanation of all things.” (12:111)
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  • Hadith literature was compiled 200+ years after the Prophet’s death, and includes contradictions and fabrications.
  • Many claim that Hadith has been used to justify sectarianism, misogyny, and even practices contrary to Qur’anic values.
  • Some even believe that true Ibadah is not ritualistic acts but a life lived in alignment with Qur’anic values — truthfulness, charity, justice, remembrance of Allah, etc.
Their criticism is not against the Prophet ﷺ, but against the authenticity and blind following of narrations recorded centuries later.



⚖️ A Balanced Understanding​

Rather than turning this into a war of labels — calling people heretics or accusing them of disbelief — it’s crucial to step back and reflect with sincerity.

✅ What Must Be Acknowledged:​

  • The Qur’an is the ultimate, unalterable word of God, and every Muslim agrees on its authority.
  • The Prophet ﷺ’s life and teachings are indispensable in understanding and practicing Islam — this is evident even within the Qur’an.
  • At the same time, the preservation of Hadith came through human effort, not divine protection, and hence critical scholarship is needed — not blind acceptance, but not blind rejection either.


🛑 Advice for Hadith Rejectors​

  1. Do not disconnect from the legacy of the Prophet ﷺ. While you may reject weak narrations, complete dismissal of all Hadith may lead to a distorted or incomplete understanding of Islam.
  2. Study Hadith scientifically, not emotionally. Learn how scholars classify, verify, and interpret Hadith, rather than relying only on online influencers or social media rhetoric.
  3. Remember: Critique is not a license for arrogance. Avoid making sweeping statements like "Hadith followers are misguided" or "they follow fabricated books" — this leads to unnecessary hostility.


🛑 Advice for Hadith Defenders​

  1. Avoid Takfir (declaring someone a non-Muslim) simply because they question Hadith. Many Qur’anists sincerely seek to understand Islam, even if they’ve chosen a controversial path.
  2. Acknowledge that not all Hadith are equal. The science of Hadith itself teaches that some narrations are weak, fabricated, or contradictory.
  3. Lead with knowledge, not insults. Mocking or calling others “bearded goats” or “morons” only drives people further away from traditional Islam.


🤝 Final Thoughts​

The Ummah is diverse, and debates like these reflect a deeper crisis of knowledge and trust in religious authority. But let’s not forget the Qur’an itself teaches:
“And do not dispute with one another, lest you lose courage and your strength depart…” (Qur’an 8:46)
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Let us revive the spirit of dialogue, mercy, and unity — not division. Let both sides seek the truth, not victory. Let us all return to the Qur’an with humility, and to the legacy of the Prophet ﷺ with love and discernment.
 
O

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
wasiqjaved I appreciate your elaborate and neutral sounding post.

Might have to clarify couple of things from your post for hadith deniers:
  1. No one can ever label anyone a takfeeri unless someone outright rejects the WHOLE science of sunnah/ hadith (out of ignorance or due to disease in their heart). This is what some are doing here in this forum.
  2. No one has issue for whatever anyone believe in their hearts but outright preaching in public in order to POISON the beliefs of the muslim laymen is a dangerous and condemnable act.
We'll do our utmost to keep them from doing this out in the public.

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wasiqjaved

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
observer-x said:
wasiqjaved I appreciate your elaborate and neutral sounding post.

Might have to clarify couple of things from your post for hadith deniers:
  1. No one can ever label anyone a takfeeri unless someone outright rejects the WHOLE science of sunnah/ hadith (out of ignorance or due to disease in their heart). This is what some are doing here in this forum.
  2. No one has issue for whatever anyone believe in their hearts but outright preaching in public in order to POISON the beliefs of the muslim laymen is a dangerous and condemnable act.
We'll do our utmost to keep them from doing this out in the public.

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observer-x thank you for your thoughtful and measured response — I appreciate your willingness to engage respectfully.

I completely understand and share your concern about preserving the integrity of Islam, especially in public discourse where many people lack the tools to distinguish between scholarly critique and outright distortion.

A few reflections in response to your points:

1. Regarding Takfir:
You're absolutely right that takfir is a very serious matter, and the threshold is high in classical Islamic jurisprudence. Rejecting the entire Sunnah/Hadith corpus as a whole — not just particular narrations — is indeed a grave issue. But I believe our priority should be da’wah, not condemnation. Many who lean toward Qur'an-only views today do so out of confusion, exposure to online material, or past experiences of religious abuse — not always out of ill intent or "disease in the heart."

2. Regarding Public Preaching by Hadith Deniers:
You're correct — preaching ideas that may mislead lay Muslims is dangerous. But we must also remember that silencing dissent too aggressively can backfire, pushing people further into echo chambers where they no longer feel safe to ask questions.


Rather than trying to shut down such discussions entirely, it may be more effective to counter their arguments publicly with solid evidence, character, and wisdom — as the Qur'an teaches:
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in the best manner..." (Qur’an 16:125)
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Let our firmness be accompanied by compassion and clarity. After all, the Prophet ﷺ himself was the best teacher — not just in knowledge, but in patience and approach.


In the end, whether someone follows Hadith or not, we must ask:
Are we helping them come closer to the truth, or pushing them further away?
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Let’s uphold the Sunnah — not only in content, but also in character.

JazakAllah khair for your engagement.
 
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observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
wasiqjaved said:
observer-x thank you for your thoughtful and measured response — I appreciate your willingness to engage respectfully.

I completely understand and share your concern about preserving the integrity of Islam, especially in public discourse where many people lack the tools to distinguish between scholarly critique and outright distortion.

A few reflections in response to your points:

1. Regarding Takfir:
You're absolutely right that takfir is a very serious matter, and the threshold is high in classical Islamic jurisprudence. Rejecting the entire Sunnah/Hadith corpus as a whole — not just particular narrations — is indeed a grave issue. But I believe our priority should be da’wah, not condemnation. Many who lean toward Qur'an-only views today do so out of confusion, exposure to online material, or past experiences of religious abuse — not always out of ill intent or "disease in the heart."

2. Regarding Public Preaching by Hadith Deniers:
You're correct — preaching ideas that may mislead lay Muslims is dangerous. But we must also remember that silencing dissent too aggressively can backfire, pushing people further into echo chambers where they no longer feel safe to ask questions.


Rather than trying to shut down such discussions entirely, it may be more effective to counter their arguments publicly with solid evidence, character, and wisdom — as the Qur'an teaches:

Let our firmness be accompanied by compassion and clarity. After all, the Prophet ﷺ himself was the best teacher — not just in knowledge, but in patience and approach.


In the end, whether someone follows Hadith or not, we must ask:

Let’s uphold the Sunnah — not only in content, but also in character.

JazakAllah khair for your engagement.
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wasiqjaved sir with all due respect dawah is done to the ones who never studied Islam due to the difference in core message. Like christians/ jews/ hindus/ atheists etc.

Qadiyanis, sunnah/ hadith deniers, Bahai etc are all knowledgeable in the core belief of Islam yet they chose to part ways. They can't be treated the same way with dawah methodology like people of another religion and scholars attest to this. Their only intention is to derail the common men from Islam.

Hope you understand.
 
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