آصف زرداری پاکستان کے صدر منتخب
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Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Honestly, he surprised me a lot Let me ask you another question. who you think is smart enough in Pakistan to control the establishment like Erdogan?
Please investigate first before blaming anyone. Where is the proof that PTI did it?
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Tu Bohat Saada Hai Meri Jaan .
Allah_Ka_Banda
Senator (1k+ posts)
I understand
I acknowledge our difference of opinion.. and I am okay with it.. hopefully we respect each others views..
If you can answer me first please, I have no problem answering yours too...
Just to clarify, I don't consider myself as an aqal-e-qul... I believe in convincing people logically..
n I try not impose my views/ideas on others...
Obviously I have been reading your posts every now n then.. n i must admit I found them mostly different to my views... n it's fine with me..
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is not my friend that I consider anyone including myself as Ak Le Kul. We all learn from each other. I have no hesitation to tell you that I don't like Zardari a bit. As a matter of fact, I don't like any of these politicians and consider them as moral. It is impossible to take any moral lessons from them.
I have a soft corner for PMLN for what they went through. However, they never miss to disappoint me any time they get a chance to prove their mettle.
Going back to my question again. Can you reply to me now. It is hard to find some common sense among PTI supporters.
Jazbaati
Minister (2k+ posts)
ایک زرداری سب پہ بھاری ۔
For how long beghairat. Allah will decide his tenure.
Mocha7
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Do let me know if you want more evidence, as if a whole year isn't sufficient enough to prove it already.
tahirmajid
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Daakkkuuu Raaajjj shoro ho gia hay
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You sound like an old grumpy man who curses everyone he doesn't like. What is wrong with the saying that Jesi awam wesay hukumrans ?
Allah_Ka_Banda
Senator (1k+ posts)
Thanks for a gentle response.
Obviously, as you might already know, I consider Imran Khan to be the better of the available.
I am not sure about how to answer the specific question related to Erdoğan at this point in time.. but if you insist I can think of an answer to this at sometime as per my very limited knowledge n wisdom.. :)
I consider IK no more than a human... and I have so many differences esp with some of his decisions...
I do admire his perseverance and honesty... I admire how he and Jamima parted their ways respectfully n never bad-mouthed each other afterwards n wish that all of us behave in similar ways when n if we break ourselves from life partners (God forbid) or business partners..amicably n respectfully...
Just like, my past life hasn't been perfect, I usually try to avoid conversations around IKs personal past or for that matter any one's past ... including Marium Nawaz or Shahbaz Sharif...
To tell you something interesting, even within my family, we have split opinon between PMLN n Imran Khan...
so how can I expect everyone on this forum to not think differently..
It's just that, if we can respectfully let other people have their views in coexistence...
And I can't complain from you when recently someone who I believed was a PTI's sympathiser, started having a go at me without understanding my point of view n I felt disappointed from his disrespectful manners...
I guess PTI, PPP, or PMLN we are from same families from same ethnicities from same country... but unfortunately lack tolerance... !
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I guess the problem with us all is that whenever we support or oppose any politician, we try to make him/her an angel and pious and saint. Personal shortfalls, character morality and the ability to lead is somewhat always mixed in praising our own idols.
In my opinion, our country desperately needs a strong, pragmatic and practical leader who has ability to lead, decide and act. History is not kind to the politics of our country. We have so many loopholes in our constitution that a realistic democracy can't be assumed from the social and culture structure of our country in such a manner which has been seen in western model countries. Yet almost every citizen is longing for it and praying for it.
We have experience all. Military, bureaucratic, technocratic and democratic tenures. But our state has not changed much under any of the past experiences. We blame army, Judiciary and politicians for our demise, but we have yet to look at ourselves in mirror and asses if we ourselves are better Muslims, better human beings and better citizens or not. Leaders just don't drop from the skies. Nations build character which enable to bring up such potential with talent.
Go and observe the general attitude of the society in Pakistan. Roam around cities, malls and places. Meet with the general population and try to find out what is their thinking level and what is important for them in life. You will find the answers for our perpetual fall. Ik or no IK. It will not make any difference. I brought Erdogan only to point the difference. Both these nations are miles apart.
سٹرانگ اور وائیز پی ایم تو گلی گلی پوچھتا پھر رہا ہے کہ مجھے کیوں بلایا
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thank you, my friend. You have been very kind and lenient in your comments. Hope they will do a much better job this time around.
Siberite
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میں جی رہاں ہوں ابھی اے زمین آدم خور
ابھی تو دیکھ نہ تو اتنی اشتہاء سے مجھے
ابھی تو دیکھ نہ تو اتنی اشتہاء سے مجھے
Allah_Ka_Banda
Senator (1k+ posts)
I agree that Leaders are the reflection of awaaam... they are not from sky but from Awaam... and if the awaam in their individual capacity is good or bad, so would the leaders be..
And I hope the awaam is given a genuine opportunity to bring a leader from awaam who is a true reflection and representative of awaam... n not someone from the sky.. !
