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[Malik495]

Next time people should know that if they call the Muslims as biddati and mushrik for wrong reason then they will have to read this thread also.

@cheeko..
what about your opinion about this post of mine.. why u r reluctant to endourse this hadith MA ANA ALAHI WA ASHABI (tirmizi) eager to read your reply about this wether you agreed or disagreed.. dont hesitate cz this is what all three sects hanafi fiqah believes on.. dont know abt urs..

 

[Cheeko]

@cheeko..
what about your opinion about this post of mine.. why u r reluctant to endourse this hadith MA ANA ALAHI WA ASHABI (tirmizi) eager to read your reply about this wether you agreed or disagreed.. dont hesitate cz this is what all three sects hanafi fiqah believes on.. dont know abt urs..

I missed your post earlier. I have read it and this is the version of Jamah Ahlus Sunnah and I am part of it. I have no disagreement. I also have discussed with leading people and read books and the summary is that whoever believes in Allah and Last Messenger peace be upon him and properly respects them and obeys them and does not do shirk or does not believe in any other prophet will also go to Jannah if they have been good in Haqooq ul Ibad and also worshipped Allah like Namaz, roza and other things. So with this logic Shia can also go to Jannah if they have also done farz worship and have been good in Haqooq ul Ibad.


The Shia might be in the lower part of Jannah as compared to Ahlus Sunnah if both their good things are equal because some of them use bad language for Companions r.a. Bad language used for even iblees is wrong from ikhlakiat and humanity point of view. Even Allah hasnt used words for iblees in Quran which are very un ethical. And we know that any bad commited by human actually is done after instigation by iblees. So using such language for iblees or even a human enemy is not good.

Difference of opinion is good for learning. It is better to forget the past history as Hazrat Ali k.a.w said that brave and great person swallows his anger and forgives. So both sides should forgive each other as todays people r not responsible for what happened many centuries ago regardless of who is right and who is wrong. I think all this makes sense.

I think I have made clear for all Muslims including Sunnis and Shias.

 

[Malik495]

I missed your post earlier. I have read it and this is the version of Jamah Ahlus Sunnah and I am part of it. I have no disagreement. I also have discussed with leading people and read books and the summary is that whoever believes in Allah and Last Messenger peace be upon him and properly respects them and obeys them and does not do shirk or does not believe in any other prophet will also go to Jannah if they have been good in Haqooq ul Ibad and also worshipped Allah like Namaz, roza and other things. So with this logic Shia can also go to Jannah if they have also done farz worship and have been good in Haqooq ul Ibad.


The Shia might be in the lower part of Jannah as compared to Ahlus Sunnah if both their good things are equal because some of them use bad language for Companions r.a. Bad language used for even iblees is wrong from ikhlakiat and humanity point of view. Even Allah hasnt used words for iblees in Quran which are very un ethical. And we know that any bad commited by human actually is done after instigation by iblees. So using such language for iblees or even a human enemy is not good.

Difference of opinion is good for learning. It is better to forget the past history as Hazrat Ali k.a.w said that brave and great person swallows his anger and forgives. So both sides should forgive each other as todays people r not responsible for what happened many centuries ago regardless of who is right and who is wrong. I think all this makes sense.

I think I have made clear for all Muslims including Sunnis and Shias.

@Cheeko...
You must read about shia beliefs in deep..you have lack of real knowledge about what shia really believes on... its not a matter of any individual's books or about full of hatred words about companions.. there are other so many things which you might not aware of..... Dont want to start any sectarian debate so leave it..
and take care this is my last post in this thread..

 

[Mughal1]

@cheeko..
what about your opinion about this post of mine.. why u r reluctant to endourse this hadith MA ANA ALAHI WA ASHABI (tirmizi) eager to read your reply about this wether you agreed or disagreed.. dont hesitate cz this is what all three sects hanafi fiqah believes on.. dont know abt urs..

Malik sahib, if you read the quran the context of this hadith will become very clear.

The quran says all human beings were one single family ie ummah but some went their own way after the guidance was made clear to them ie people invented their own religions against what allah revealed. They divided into sects ie reliigons others than that was sent by allah.

In islamic source texts numbers are rarely for precision just to give an idea.

If you take number as some thing exact then the hadith will make no sense at all.

So when prophets came they came with very same religion=way of life guidance. Those who followed the guidance were saved and the rest who deliberately rejected it perished.

The ummah means all kufaar and muslims not just muslims. It is silly to take this hadith and use it against muslims.

In time of jewish prophets the situation was similar and so it has been always ie after adam some of his children just did not follow the guidance he left them with. This will continue for as long as allah's guidance remains ignored by some of us ie children of adam.

All muslim sects are basically muslims, they differ in detail of things not in actual message ie all believe in the very same god, quran, islam and prophet. So anyone calling them kafir or mushrik is ignorant and foolish to extreme or even stupid. Such a person needs to educate himself to come out of this state of his mindset.
There are plenty of things that really need doing other than issuing silly fatwas against each other.

You must realise that each person has his own mind and thoughts and no two people are exactly alike. So there are as many sects as number of people themselves. So you must interpret hadith the way it makes better sense. If we cannot make any sense of a hadith then it has to be faulty or may even be false.

regards and all the best.

 

[Cheeko]

@Cheeko...
You must read about shia beliefs in deep..you have lack of real knowledge about what shia really believes on... its not a matter of any individual's books or about full of hatred words about companions.. there are other so many things which you might not aware of..... Dont want to start any sectarian debate so leave it..
and take care this is my last post in this thread..

I have already explained my point. Belief is to believe in Allah and Last messenger peace be upon him. Shahada makes a man Muslim and then good deeds makes him liable to enter Jannah. So in this case even if someone calls a Sunni himself but doesnt follow properly or causes fasaad is also not good Muslim. I am not Allah and so will leave for him to decide who goes where.

We should worry about our deeds and belief which is the most important. Every one has to answer on Qiyamat what he one did himself and not what other did. Rest Allah will decide. Why should I have to be Allah and decide for any one else.

 

[shah5ap]

Abbasiali Sahib Mehwish Sahiba k thread ka rona ro rahe hen aur yee bhai cheeko tu bohot hi farigh maloom hota hay, kuch iss k thread k bare may bhi izhar e rahay ho jayee.
Marry apni Rahay ye hay k INMALIMANO BINNIYYAT(Hadees) Amal ka darammadar niyaton per hay. Har koi jo kuch bhi karta hay Allah ki Khushnodgi k liyee karta hay. Ye ham hen k mian Fasiat bante hen aur apna daman hay dagdar aur dosaron ko nasihat hi nahi balke un k gham may dubley howe ja rahe hen. Essy nasihat behes aur behes takraar ban jati hay aur hasel siffer. Sab mosalman Janat jayen gay Allah k Fazal o Karam say inshahAllah.
Mere gunah ziyada hen ya teri Rehamt
Mere Karim bata dey hisab kar k muje.

 

[Straight]

For Allah sake this is not Islam

In case of religious activities Muslim Should restrict to the Quraan and Authentic Hadeeth. Avoid SHIRK because there is no forgiveness from Allah for this sin. Avoid any innovation into religion because it would distract Muslims from the "Straight Path".

THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN MUSLIM DO NOT TAKE SHIRK AND BIDDAT SERIOUSLY:

If any non-Muslim watches these distracted people of certain sects would they even think of coming closer to Islam?

 

[Straight]

Result of not Sticking to Qur'aan and Sunnah

Another headline news in western news paper. What message we are giving to non-Muslim world by leaving Quraan and Sunnah. Does any of these ritual were approved by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? No, not at all . But how would you explain to the non-Muslim world that these activities are done by minor Muslim sects. But again the question is, why would a non-Muslim bother to go into the detail of Muslim sects?

WARNING: Graphic images. Shi'ite muslims commemorated Ashura by beating themselves with steel-tipped flails or slashing themselves to mark the anniversary of the Prophet Mohammed's grandson Imam Hussein's death.
December 16, 2010 12:02 PM

Photos: Shi'ite Muslims commemorate Imam Hussein's death

source: http://www.theprovince.com/entertai...emorate+Imam+Hussein+death/3988187/story.html

 

[Cheeko]

Re: For Allah sake this is not Islam

In case of religious activities Muslim Should restrict to the Quraan and Authentic Hadeeth. Avoid SHIRK because there is no forgiveness from Allah for this sin. Avoid any innovation into religion because it would distract Muslims from the "Straight Path".

THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN MUSLIM DO NOT TAKE SHIRK AND BIDDAT SERIOUSLY:

If any non-Muslim watches these distracted people of certain sects would they even think of coming closer to Islam?

This is not related to me so dont throw someone video and put it on me. I can also post video of suicide bombing and neck cutting and tell this is what happened when deviated people like straight become abu jahils when they think they only the Muslim and rest are kuffar.

 

[Straight]

Re: For Allah sake this is not Islam

This is not related to me so dont throw someone video and put it on me. I can also post video of suicide bombing and neck cutting and tell this is what happened when deviated people like straight become abu jahils when they think they only the Muslim and rest are kuffar.

@Cheeko, why are you assuming that these videos were targeted at you. why are you becoming personal?

Would you deny the fact that the deviated sects shown in these video reached to this stage due to not taking SHIRK and Biddat seriously?

Lesson learned from these video is that stick to Quraan and Sunnah ONLY and avoid innovations in religion Islam. As these Bidats can never be justified by Quraan and Sunnah.

Regarding actions of Taliban, do not blame Islam for their actions, they are themselves responsible for their acts. Killing innocent people is not teaching of Islam.

 

[Cheeko]

Re: For Allah sake this is not Islam

@Cheeko, why are you assuming that these videos were targeted at you. why are you becoming personal?

Would you deny the fact that the deviated sects shown in these video reached to this stage due to not taking SHIRK and Biddat seriously?

Lesson learned from these video is that stick to Quraan and Sunnah ONLY and avoid innovations in religion Islam. As these Bidats can never be justified by Quraan and Sunnah.

Regarding actions of Taliban, do not blame Islam for their actions, they are themselves responsible for their acts. Killing innocent people is not teaching of Islam.

Its fine with me if you not telling me. What deviated sects are you talking. You give name once for all.
Today you are like this and tomorrow your children will become suicide bombers. What is guarantee.

 

[Cheeko]

I think every one now learned.

 

[Pakistani1947]

The Sahabah's Attitude towards Innovations

An outstanding characteristic of the Sahabah is their absolute adherence to the Sunnah of the Prophet, salla Allaahu Alaihe wa sallam, and their absolute disaproval of Bid`ah (innovation).

Some Sahabah narrated the following story:
We used to sit in front of Abdullah ibn Masoud's house before the Fajr prayer waiting to go with him to the Masjid. Abou Mousa al-Ash`aarie came and asked us:
'Did Abu Abdurrahman (i.e. Ibn Masoud) leave yet?'
We answered: 'No.'
So Abou Mousa Al-Ash`aarie sat with us waiting for him. When he came out, we all stood up. Abou Mousa told him:
"Oh, Abu Abdurrahman! I recently saw something in the Masjid which I did not approve."
Ibn Masoud then asked: "What was it?"
Abou Mousa said: "You will see it if you stay alive..In the Masjid, I saw a group of people sitting in circles waiting for the Salat. Each circle is led by a person. And every person in these circles carries small stones.
The leader of a circle would say: 'Say 'Allah-u Akbar' a hundred times,' they will say Allah-u Akbar a hundred times; then he says 'Say 'La ilaha Illa Allah', a hundred times" they will say La ilaha ill Allah a hundred times; he they says: 'Say 'Subhan Allah', a hundred times, they will say Subhana Allah a hundred times.
Then Ibn Masoud said: "What did you tell them?"
He said: 'I didn't say anything, I wanted to wait for your opinion."
Abdullah ibn Masoud said: "Could you not order them to count their sins, and assured them of getting their rewards."
Then Abdulah ibn Masoud went ahead and we accompanied him. As he approached one of the circles, he said: "What is this that you are doing?"
They said: "Oh! Abu Abdurrahman, these are pebbles to count the number of times we say Allah-u Akbar, La ilaha Ill Allah, and Subhana Allah."
He said: "Count your own sins, and I assure you that you are not going to lose anything of your rewards (Hasanat).. Woe unto you, people of Muhammad, how fast you will be doomed. Those are your Prophet's companions available, these are his clothes not worn out yet, and his pots are not broken yet. I swear by Whom my soul is in His Hands that you are either following a religion that is better than the Prophet's religion or you are opening a door of aberration."
They said: "We swear by Allah, oh, Abu Abdurrahman, that we had no intention other than doing good deeds."
He said: "So what? How many people wanted to do good deeds but never got to do them? The Prophet of Allah has told us about people who recited the Qur'an with no effect on them other than the Qur'an passing through their throats. I swear by Allah, I am almost sure that most of you are from that type of people."
Then he left them.
Amr Ibn Salamah said: "We saw most of the people of those circles fighting us with the Khawarij in the battle of An-Nahrawan."
- Related by Ad-Daremie and Abu Na`eim with an authentic chain.

Source: http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=46