"بدعت" بالمقابل "مباح"

Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Alhamdolillah i am hanafi... but as you said there are 3 sects in hanafis so i dont know whom you belongs too.. but as your post reflects.. i think you belongs to barelvi sect... well i just found mehwish's post about adding raziallaho tala anhu.. just check it
alam taazia urus milaad and other so many things are not bida'at but adding raziallaho ta'ala anhu is bidat.. la hawla wala quwwata illa billah...


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...naik-on-karbala-amp-yazid&p=167895#post167895
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
آپ کی مہیا کی ہوئی یہ لسٹ بہت امپریسیو ہے۔
مجھے بہت کچھ سیکھنے کو ملا ہے۔ اللہ آپ کو جزائے خیر عطا فرمائے۔



Biddat Number 1
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► offer azan of tahajud,in pakistan and saudia , Where did Aqah karim (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) or Sahabas (Ra) did this act throughout their life , And I am talking about Tahajud Azan , its a bida'h
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تہجد کی نماز سے قبل اذان دینا وہ چیز ہے جو میں نے پہلے نہیں سنی۔

کیا اسکی مزید کچھ تفصیلات ہیں؟



Biddat Number 12
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Congregating people behind one Imam to pray Salat al Tahajjud after Salat Al Tarawih, in the two Holy Mosques and other mosques.
[ biddat practiced by islamqa lovers ]



Biddat Number 13
Reciting the Prayer of Completion of the Quran in Salat al Tarawih and also in Salat al Tahajjud


مزید تفصیلات؟



Shukria aur main bata dun key iska wahabion kay paas koi jawab nai hai warna jawab zarur ata. Asal bidati yehi hain.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Alhamdolillah i am hanafi... but as you said there are 3 sects in hanafis so i dont know whom you belongs too.. but as your post reflects.. i think you belongs to barelvi sect... well i just found mehwish's post about adding raziallaho tala anhu.. just check it
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...naik-on-karbala-amp-yazid&p=167895#post167895


Who tell you I Barailvi. Dont lie about me. Why you dont reply Malik. You dont have tongue. Tell me sumary what she tell on that thread and you reply and if you tell some wrong then I tell my angle.

 

Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And everyone knows tht there is not much difference between shia and barelvi maktaba-e-fikr.. they both agree in several issues....but i just found strange fatwa in Raddur rifza. fatwa rizwia and in irfan-e-shariat... Ahmed raza barelvi and mufti ahmed yar khan sahib counted shia as a kafir? why? if there are so many similarities in your sects then why did ahmed raza counted shia a kaafir? declaring bidati is understandable but why kaafir? do you have any answer cheeko sahib?
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
And everyone knows tht there is not much difference between shia and barelvi maktaba-e-fikr.. they both agree in several issues....but i just found strange fatwa in irfan-e-shariat... Ahmed raza barelvi and mufti ahmed yar khan sahib counted shia as a kafir? why? if there are so many similarities in your sects then why did ahmed raza counted shia a kaafir? declaring bidati is understandable but why kaafir? do you have any answer cheeko sahib?

You are crying. I told I not Barailvi. Your eyesight is weak. Tell this to Barailvi and come to topic and tell that you accept that your bidati concept for building tombs and visiting graves and mawlid is wrong. I tell in long paragraphs that it not bidat.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And everyone knows tht there is not much difference between shia and barelvi maktaba-e-fikr.. they both agree in several issues....but i just found strange fatwa in irfan-e-shariat... Ahmed raza barelvi and mufti ahmed yar khan sahib counted shia as a kafir? why? if there are so many similarities in your sects then why did ahmed raza counted shia a kaafir? declaring bidati is understandable but why kaafir? do you have any answer cheeko sahib?

Dear malik sahib, who says islam is about each and every mawlana sahib being right 100% of the times.

Just take what is right from any source and leave out what makes no sense. This is tyhe right way to go if you must.

regard and all the best.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear malik sahib, who says islam is about each and every mawlana sahib being right 100% of the times.

Just take what is right from any source and leave out what makes no sense. This is tyhe right way to go if you must.

regard and all the best.

His ego telling him to tell me Barailvi and Shia. He has no reply. Malik I tell you that I not barailvi or shia and I dont tell kafir for them. I also dont tell kafir for najdi and I tell for najdi like bidati and fasadi which different from kafir.
 
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Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You are crying. I told I not Barailvi. Your eyesight is weak. Tell this to Barailvi and come to topic and tell that you accept that your bidati concept for building tombs and visiting graves and mawlid is wrong. I tell in long paragraphs that it not bidat.

i deeply appriciate your efforts for proving similarities in shia and barelvi but tell me one sect other then barelvi sect who follow your believes of making tombs juloos of eid milaad-un-nabi (S.A.W) urus taazia and milaad...i am showing mirror of similarites between your and shia believes...dont hide your self ;)
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
i deeply appriciate your efforts for proving similarities in shia and barelvi but tell me one sect other then barelvi sect who follow your believes of making tombs and milaad...i am not crying at all just showing mirror of similarites between your and shia believes...

I am not Barailvi and you still crying and lying. I leave for readers to decide.

I already post about tombs and Mawlid. No example of Barailvi or Shia. The readers laughing at you. Tombs are in all muslim world and mawlid in all muslim world. Barailvis only in Pakistan and India. Barailvi started only 100 or 150 years. Tombs and mawlid since 1400 years.

The real reason is that you have no answer. Your ego not letting you accept that you wrong.
 
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mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One thing i really forgot to mention ..... that mehwish ali proved in her earlier post that saying Raziallaho ta'ala anhu with the name of any sahaaba kiram is bida'at.. dear cheeko do you agree that saying raziallaho ta'ala anhu is bida'at infront of your sect?

پلیز ملک بھائی صاحب، ۔

آپ مجھ پر غلط الزام نہ لگائیں کہ صحابہ کرام کے ناموں کے بعد "رضی اللہ عنہ" بولنا بدعتِ ضلالہ ہے۔ میری پوری پوسٹ آپ پڑھ لیں اور میں نے اسے بدعتِ ضلالہ نہیں قرار دیا ہے، بلکہ یہ عین مباح عبادتی فعل اور بدعتِ حسنہ ہے جسکا ثواب ہے اور نیک عمل ہے کہ کسی کے لیے دعا کی جائے۔

مگر یہ بدعتِ حسنہ آپ لوگوں کے گلے کی ہڈی بن گئی ہے کیونکہ آپ لوگوں نے ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری میں مبتلا ہو کر بدعت کے لفظی اور ظاہری معنوں کو شریعت بنا لیا اور ثابت شدہ سنتِ نبوی کو نظر انداز کر گئے اور اس وجہ سے اس وقت زبردست تضادات کا شکار ہیں۔ افسوس کہ اپنی اصلاح کرنے کی بجائے ابھی بھی آپ اس ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری کو گلے سےلگائے بیٹھے رہیں۔

صحابہ کرام کے نام کے بعد رضی اللہ عنہ دعا کا ایک بہترین عمل ہے، اور اسی طرح اذان سے قبل نبی ﷺ پر درود (دعا کرنا) بھی ایک بہترین عمل ہے۔ مگر آپ لوگ ڈبل سٹینڈرڈز کا شکار ہیں۔

by Malik:

i deeply appriciate your efforts for proving similarities in shia and barelvi but tell me one sect other then barelvi sect who follow your believes of making tombs juloos of eid milaad-un-nabi (S.A.W) urus taazia and milaad...i am showing mirror of similarites between your and shia believes...dont hide your self ;)​


اسلام اور شریعت "اصول" کا نام ہے جو قرآن و سنت سے ثابت ہو رہی ہیں، نہ کہ مختلف مذاہب میں "ایک جیسی چیزوں" کا نام۔ یہودی بھی بڑی داڑھی رکھتے ہیں اور اپنے مردوں کا ختنہ کرواتے ہیں۔ اگر آپ کو قرآن و سنت چھوڑ کر ایک جیسی چیزوں کے پیچھے ہی چلنا ہے تو پھر چھوڑ دیجئے یہ سنتِ امتِ مسلمہ کہ یہودی بھی یہ کرتے ہیں۔

اور اگر اہل تشیع غلط کام یا بدعت کر رہے ہیں تو بہت شوق سے جائیے انکے فورمز پر اور انکو قرآن اور انکی کتب سے ثابت کیجئے کہ یہ بدعات ہیں اور اس میں ہرگز کوئی برائی نہیں۔

مگر برائی ہے اس وقت جب اہل تشیع کی کسی بدعت کو ڈھال بناتے ہوئے آپ اپنی حلال اللہ کو حرام کرنے کی بدعت قائم کرنے لگیں اور دین کے کامل ہو جانے کے بعد مباح حلال افعال کو اپنی طرف سے حرام قرار دے دیں اور قرآن اور ثابت شدہ سنت نبوی سے آپ کے پاس ایک بھی دلیل نہ ہو کہ نئے مباح افعال جو کہ شریعت کے اصولوں کے مطابق ہیں، انہیں شریعت نے کبھی حرام بنایا ہو۔

شروع سے لیکر ابتک آپ لوگوں سے ایک "بنیادی" مطالبہ کیا جا رہا ہے کہ قرآن و سنت سے ایک ایسی دلیل پیش کر دیں جس سے ثابت ہو کہ اذان سے قبل درود پڑھنا بدعت و ضلالت ہے۔ کوئی ایک ثبوت بھی تو آپ کے پاس موجود نہیں کہ رسول ﷺ نے نئے مباح عبادتی افعال، جو کہ شریعت کے مطابق ہیں، انہیں کرنے پر آپ لوگوں کی طرح بدعت و ضلالت کا فتوی لگایا ہو۔


 
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Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ohh sad you forgot to say Kaafir as well.. i am waiting for your fatwa..
The definition of bida'a in my opinion is simple... Deen men har wo naee baat jo deen ka hissa samajh kr shuru ki jaye bidat kahlati hay...and sorry to say aap dono sahaba-e-kiram k amaal ko bhi deen men naee cheez k tor pe paish kr k apni daleelon ko wazan de rahay ho.. Sahaba-e-kiram ka amal bhi sunnat k zumray men hi ata hay bida'at men nahi....agar sahaba k baad kisi ne deen men koi naee invention ki to sarih gumrahi hay aur kuch nahi...
Mubah aamaal shariah men usay kahtay hain jis k krnay pr na hi koi sawab milta ho aur na hi koi gunah..aur agar kisi mubah amaal ko sawab samajh kr kia jaye to wo bida'at k zumray men hi ati hay...this is what i believe .. milaad urus ..tombs aur pakki qabrain banana qabron pr azaan dena sab bidaa;at k kaam hain.. aur iss k nateejay men siwae gunah k aur kuch haasil nahi hota....tombs waghaira ki jo misaal aap ne dee hain parh kr to hansi hi aati hay.. aap shayd bhool gaye k Nabi sallalho ilaye wasallam k daur men kaee sahaba shaheed bhi hoye aur kaee sahaba tabaee umr pori honay k baad wisaal farma gaye lakin kia Aap pbuh ne kis k liye tombs aur pakki qabrain banwaee ? aur rahi baat Aap pbuh k wisaal ki to aap ko shayd maloom ho k Nabi jis jaga wisaal farmatay hain wohi un ka madfan hota hay... ..
khair anyway chahon to books nikaal k pages k pages aur riwayaat ka na khatm honay wala thread start kr k naee bahas shur kr skta haon .. apni post k baad aap yehi prove krna chah rahay hain k shayd jo aap k against aqeeda se taluk rakhtay hain un k pas yeh sab aur isi taraha ki koi riwayaat na hon..agar waqt ho to books ki detail men de deta hon un books ko parh k un ka jawab likhna shuru kr dain....
ab munnay ki maan mujh pr kufr k fatway lagaye ya yeh kahay k koi jawab nahi hay to yeh aur baat hay...wo log jo na to Quran aur na hi sahaba aur na hi fiqah hanafi shafaee maalki hanbli ko apnay aqeeday men kaabil-e-aitbaar samjhty hone wo kis moonh se saha-e-satta ki books ka hawaala de rahay hain.. main kis sect ki baat kr raha hon aap ko to maloom hi ho ga aap kis se taluk rakhtay hain iss se mujhe koi gharz nahi.. meetha meetha happ happ karwa karwa thoo thoo...
anyway.. may Allah give every one hidayat Aameen...
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
ohh sad you forgot to say Kaafir as well.. i am waiting for your fatwa..
The definition of bida'a in my opinion is simple... Deen men har wo naee baat jo deen ka hissa samajh kr shuru ki jaye bidat kahlati hay...and sorry to say aap dono sahaba-e-kiram k amaal ko bhi deen men naee cheez k tor pe paish kr k apni daleelon ko wazan de rahay ho.. Sahaba-e-kiram ka amal bhi sunnat k zumray men hi ata hay bida'at men nahi....agar sahaba k baad kisi ne deen men koi naee invention ki to sarih gumrahi hay aur kuch nahi...
Mubah aamaal shariah men usay kahtay hain jis k krnay pr na hi koi sawab milta ho aur na hi koi gunah..aur agar kisi mubah amaal ko sawab samajh kr kia jaye to wo bida'at k zumray men hi ati hay...this is what i believe .. milaad urus ..tombs aur pakki qabrain banana qabron pr azaan dena sab bidaa;at k kaam hain.. aur iss k nateejay men siwae gunah k aur kuch haasil nahi hota....tombs waghaira ki jo misaal aap ne dee hain parh kr to hansi hi aati hay.. aap shayd bhool gaye k Nabi sallalho ilaye wasallam k daur men kaee sahaba shaheed bhi hoye aur kaee sahaba tabaee umr pori honay k baad wisaal farma gaye lakin kia Aap pbuh ne kis k liye tombs aur pakki qabrain banwaee ? aur rahi baat Aap pbuh k wisaal ki to aap ko shayd maloom ho k Nabi jis jaga wisaal farmatay hain wohi un ka madfan hota hay... ..
khair anyway chahon to books nikaal k pages k pages aur riwayaat ka na khatm honay wala thread start kr k naee bahas shur kr skta haon .. apni post k baad aap yehi prove krna chah rahay hain k shayd jo aap k against aqeeda se taluk rakhtay hain un k pas yeh sab aur isi taraha ki koi riwayaat na hon..agar waqt ho to books ki detail men de deta hon un books ko parh k un ka jawab likhna shuru kr dain....
ab munnay ki maan mujh pr kufr k fatway lagaye ya yeh kahay k koi jawab nahi hay to yeh aur baat hay...wo log jo na to Quran aur na hi sahaba aur na hi fiqah hanafi shafaee maalki hanbli ko apnay aqeeday men kaabil-e-aitbaar samjhty hone wo kis moonh se saha-e-satta ki books ka hawaala de rahay hain.. main kis sect ki baat kr raha hon aap ko to maloom hi ho ga aap kis se taluk rakhtay hain iss se mujhe koi gharz nahi.. meetha meetha happ happ karwa karwa thoo thoo...
anyway.. may Allah give every one hidayat Aameen...


Fatwa aap de rahe hain subah sae aur ek bhi baat ka sahih jawab nai dia. Ulta ilzaamaat laga rahay ho.

May Allah give every one Hidayat Ameen.
 

Straight

Citizen
Is this Bidat-e-Hasana or Bidat-e-Zalalah or Ain Islam???


The dancing of sufis is not actually wrong as it is just like exercise and a happy person just expresses his emotions. Whirlwinding actually again is good form of treatment for psychology and depression like diseases. I have already told about treatment by music and similarly whirlwind or dhamaal is just part of it. It is not to be done all the time but just occasionally when someone gets any psychological problems. I tell that mix gatherings for this purpose is not right and mixed gatherings is wrong.

Your knowledge about science and treatment of psychological illlness by music and dance-like movements is not much and so you are not getting what I tell. Everything should be done with proper Islamic dress and also one should avoid mixed gatherings. It is not farz like five times prayers. If someone wants this treatment then fine and if not then fine.

I already told you that pig fat was used two three decades ago for insulin for sugar patients. It was allowed by Muslim scholars as other medications were very expensive and new products were not invented that time.

Can you tell me from Quran and Hadees that music and dancing cannot be used for treatment. Dear every one is not affording like you. People in Pakistan dont have money for food and how will they go for treatment from doctor. If hand cutting punishment can be left during qahat by Hazrat Umar r.a. then cheap treatment for depression should also be allowed for poor people in these days in Pakistan.

I already told that our muslim kings in the last many centuries didnt focus on science and research and so sufis had no option but to find some treatment for poors. You should first curse those kings and malukiat if you tell that sufi music cannot be used for treatment.

May Allah help us to understand that there are 50 to 60% people in Pakistan living below poverty line Ameen.



Is this Bidat-e-Hasana or Bidat-e-Zalalah or Ain Islam???


 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Is this Bidat-e-Hasana or Bidat-e-Zalalah or Ain Islam???



Is this Bidat-e-Hasana or Bidat-e-Zalalah or Ain Islam???




I think you missed my reply on othher thread about sufi music. I tell again.

This video is funny and surprising for me. I have no depression so dont have to get any cheap or expensive treatment. I think this person is hypnotising people and this is nothing like sufi music. Sufi music takes you into trance and relaxes your tense nerves and muscles but this man is hypnotising. Science tells this is hypnotising and many people use this for other purposes. This is not sufi music or anything.

If his purpose is treating something then it cant be ruled again as shirk but I think you better ask this person and I not right person to answer dear.





 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
And everyone knows tht there is not much difference between shia and barelvi maktaba-e-fikr.. they both agree in several issues....but i just found strange fatwa in Raddur rifza. fatwa rizwia and in irfan-e-shariat... Ahmed raza barelvi and mufti ahmed yar khan sahib counted shia as a kafir? why? if there are so many similarities in your sects then why did ahmed raza counted shia a kaafir? declaring bidati is understandable but why kaafir? do you have any answer cheeko sahib?

What is your opinion about someone who said.

1)Kaba get repect bcz Ali RA was born in it.

2) anyone who have printed this at the back of the car that
Main "lam yalid" ka Kail tu hoon lakin "Ali (RA) ky ghar say bachy ki sada ati hy"
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sahaba-e-kiram ka amal bhi sunnat k zumray men hi ata hay bida'at men nahi....agar sahaba k baad kisi ne deen men koi naee invention ki to sarih gumrahi hay aur kuch nahi...


Even Sahaba did not agreed to your words

(1) Narrated zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari: who was one of those who used to write the Divine Revelation: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Qurra' were killed). 'umar was present with Abu Bakr who said, 'umar has come to me and said, The people have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among the Qurra' (those who know the Qur'an by heart) at other battle-fields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost, unless you collect it. And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur'an." Abu Bakr added, "I said to 'umar, 'How can I do something which Allah's Apostle has not done?' 'umar said (to me), 'By Allah, it is (really) a good thing.' So 'umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as 'umar." (zaid bin Thabit added: ) umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking. me). "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness) : and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript). " By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing. So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and umar. So I started locating quranic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart). I found with Khuzaima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba which I had not found with anybody else, (and they were):-- "Verily there has come to you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty He (Muhammad) is ardently anxious over you (to be rightly guided)" (9.128) The manuscript on which the quran was collected, remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him, and then with 'umar till Allah took him unto Him, and finally it remained with Hafsa, umar's daughter. (Book #60, Hadith #201)

Do you think Abu Bakar razi Allah anhoo was not Aware of the fact that you are tyring to say "Sahaba-e-kiram ka amal bhi sunnat k zumray men hi ata hay bida'at men nah"

In start Abu Bakar razi Allah anhoo said same that, on what you people insists
We said same as Umar razi Allah anhoo said
But Abu bakar razi Allah anhoo accept what Umar razi Allah anhoo said that there is no harm in doing something that is Good.
But you people did not accept and keep saying it as wrong.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The definition of bida'a in my opinion is simple... Deen men har wo naee baat jo deen ka hissa samajh kr shuru ki jaye bidat kahlati hay...and sorry to say aap dono sahaba-e-kiram k amaal ko bhi deen men naee cheez k tor pe paish kr k apni daleelon ko wazan de rahay ho.. Sahaba-e-kiram ka amal bhi sunnat k zumray men hi ata hay bida'at men nahi....agar sahaba k baad kisi ne deen men koi naee invention ki to sarih gumrahi hay aur kuch nahi...

ملک بھائی صاحب،۔

اللہ کی قسم آپ بہت بڑی غلطی میں مبتلا ہیں اور آپ نے بہت بڑی بات کہہ دی ہے۔

صحابہ کرام کا رتبہ جتنا بھی بلند ہو، مگر شریعت سازی انکا حق نہیں تھا، بلکہ شریعت صرف اور صرف وہ ہے جو کہ جبرئیل علیہ السلام نے اللہ سے لے کر محمد رسول اللہ ﷺ پر نازل کیا۔

"شریعت" بنانا فقط اور فقط اللہ کا حق ہے۔

آپ تو صحابہ کرام کو شریعت ساز بنا رہے ہیں، حالانکہ ادھر تو نبی ﷺ کو بھی اجازت نہیں کہ وہ شریعت کا ایک بھی حصہ اپنی طرف سے بنا لیں۔ یاد کریں واقعہ تحریم جہاں نبی کریم ﷺ نے اللہ کی شریعت میں حلال کی ہوئی ایک چیز (شہد) کو اپنے اوپر حرام کر لیا۔ اس پر اللہ غضبناک ہو ریا ہے اور تنبیہہ کر رہا ہے کہ آپ ﷺ کو حق نہیں کہ اُس چیز کو اپنے اوپر حرام کریں جو کہ اللہ نے اپنی شریعت میں حلال کی ہے۔

آپ کا یہ عقیدہ بدعتِ ضلالہ کے زمرے میں آ رہا ہے۔ اللہ کرے آپ اس کا ادراک کر سکیں۔ امین۔


Mubah aamaal shariah men usay kahtay hain jis k krnay pr na hi koi sawab milta ho aur na hi koi gunah..aur agar kisi mubah amaal ko sawab samajh kr kia jaye to wo bida'at k zumray men hi ati hay...this is what i believe

مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ آپ ایک بار پھر ظاہر پرستی میں پھنس رہے ہیں۔

اسلام میں ہر چیز کی اصل میں اباحت ہے جبتک کہ وہ نام لے کر یا پھر کسی بنیادی اصول کے تحت حرام نہ قرار دی جائے۔

مثلا گھر بناتے وقت گھر میں روشندان لگایا جائے یا نہیں۔ شریعت اس معاملے میں خاموش ہے اور کوئی ایسا حکم نہیں کہ روشندان لگانا حرام ہے۔ چنانچہ یہ مباح ہے (اجازت) ہے کہ روشندان لگاؤ۔

مگر اگر اسی مباح کام (یعنی روشندان لگانا) اس نیت سے کیا جائے کہ اس سے اذان کی آواز سنی جا سکے، تو پھر یہی مباح کام باعثِ ثواب و نیکی بن جاتا ہے۔

اللہ کرے کہ آپ مباح کے ظاہری معنوں سے آگے نکل کر یہ دیکھ سکیں کہ ایسی نفلی عبادات جو کہ مباح ہیں (یعنی جن کی اجازت ہے) وہ ہمیشہ ثواب اور نیکی کا باعث بنتی ہیں۔

اگر آپ کو پھر بھی مباح کے نام پر اعتراض ہے، تو پھر آپ خود ہمیں بتلا دیجئے کہ ذیل کی نفلی عبادات کو آپ کیا نام دیں گے۔

۔1۔ صحابہ کرام کا مسجد میں محفل کی صورت میں حلقے بنا کر بیٹھ جانا اور اللہ کا ذکر کرنا۔ اور جب اتفاقاً رسول ﷺ کو اس نئے فعل کا علم ہونا تو آپ ﷺ کا فرمانا کہ اللہ فرشتوں میں ان صحابہ کے اپنے اجتہاد سے کیے جانے والے اس نئے فعل پر فخر کر رہا ہے۔

۔2۔ حضرت بلالؓ کا اپنے اجتہاد سے اذان کے بعد دو رکعت نماز پڑھنے کا رواج بنا لینا۔ یا پھر وضو کرنے کے بعد اپنے اجتہاد سے کم از کم دو رکعت نماز ادا کرنا۔

۔3۔ حضرت خبیب ؓ کا اپنے اجتہاد سے قتل کیے جانے سے قبل دو رکعت نماز ادا کرنا؟

۔4۔ صحابی کا اپنے اجتہاد کے مطابق نماز کے دوران ذکر کے ایسے نئے کلمات کا ادا کیا جانا جو کہ کسی نص کے خلاف نہیں ہیں۔

۔5۔ اچھا یہ سب چھوڑیں اور آپ اپنے ان تضادات کو کیسے دور کریں گے جن کا ذکر اوپر کیا جا چکا ہے (یعنی اذان سے قبل درود (جو کہ اللہ کی بتائی ہوئی دعا ہے) پر تو آپ کی طرف سے بدعت و ضلالت کی وعید ہے، مگر رضی اللہ عنہ جو کہ انسانوں کی بنائی ہوئی دعا ہے، اس پر آپ کو کوئی اعتراض نہیں۔

وہی بات ہے کہ پاکستانی بھائی کی طرح آپ بھی ان تضادات کو ڈکارنے اور ہضم کرنے کی کوشش کر سکتے ہیں، مگر آپ کو بھلائی کی نصیحت کی جائے تو یہ تضادات آپ کو کبھی ہضم نہیں ہو سکیں گے اور تاقیامت بدہضمی کا باعث ہی بنتے رہیں گے۔

آگے آپ لاکھ درباروں مین کچھ جہلاء کی طرف سے کی جانے والی غیر شرعی افعال کو ڈھال بنا کر حلال اللہ کو حرام بنانے کی کوشش کرتے رہیں، مگر کبھی بھی کامیاب نہیں ہو سکتے۔ دونوں طرف کی انتہائیں غلط ہیں۔ اگر دربار میں موجود یہ جہلاء کا طبقہ غیر شرعی بدعات کر رہا ہے تو آپ بھی دوسری انتہا پر ہیں اور حلال اللہ کو حرام بنا کر آپ بھی بدعت و ضلالت کا شکار ہو رہے ہیں۔

 

Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

@ mehwish Ali
I belong to Ahlus sunna wa al jamaah.. whatever your believes about al jamaah is not my headhache... i know you dont follow jamaah of sahaba as your sect has clearly infected with hatred about them so i dont need to prove here with your sectarial books of usool-e-kaafi in which there is clearly mentioned that jamaat of sahaba kiram is not honourable infront of any shia muslim... here i have found an article about what certain belives are ahlus sunnah has..
1. Ahlus Sunnah -> which denotes the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam)
2. Wal Jamaah -> denotes the Jamaah of Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien).
Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah represents those people who follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) as well as the Sunnah of Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) and are on the Way of Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien).
We follow the Prophet(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) becouse Allah(awj) says “O Muslims , obey Allah and the Rasul and those in authority from among you”.(4:59) One of the many verses of Quran where the Believers are commanded by Allah(awj) to Follow the Prophet(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam).
We follow the Sunnah of Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) becouse Prophet Muhammad(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) said “Hold fast to My Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Khulafaa-e-Rasheedeen” (the Rightly Guided Caliphs)
We follow the way of Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) becouse Prophet Muhammad(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) said " Ma Ana Alihi Wa Ashabi ", that group which is on My way and the Way of My Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien)


In a Hadith Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) said : My ummah will be divided into 73 groups, all doomed for the fire except one that will obtain salvation, Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) inquired “which will that group be” Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) answered “MA ANA ALAHI WA ASHABI”- that group which is on My way and the way of my Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien).(Tirmidhi Vol.2 P.89).
In the Hadith the word “MA” is general, which encompasses belief, actions, and character, in the social, economical and political arenas of life. This clearly denotes that in the sight of Allah all these various aspects of life will be sanctioned, approved and accepted if these conforms to the path shown by Nabi(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) and the Sahabah (Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien). Furthermore those paths which are not in adherence to the above, irrespective of whether it pertains to belief, action or character will not be the Seeratul Mustaqueem-(the rightly guided and Divinely protected path of Deen).
By ‘Sunnah’ is meant that way of Deen which has reached us in its original form via the Noble Quran or via any authentic narration. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) said: “Hold fast to My Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Khulafaa-e-Rasheedeen” (the Rightly Guided Caliphs). In this hadith two Sunnats are mentioned, one of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) and the other of the Sahabah (R.A). following both are necessary. Sunnat is an integral part of Deen. It is an essential part of being in the Ahlas Sunnat Wal Jamaat to recognize and accept the Sunnah of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam)and the Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien).Negation of either one will render one far away from Islam.
Sunnah, as recorded mostly in the Ahadith are the commentary of the lofty Quran. Similarly the spirit of the Sunnah of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) has being clearly displayed in the lives of the Sahabah(radhiallahu anhum). The pronouncements and actions of the Sahabah (radhiallahu anhum) have become part of Deen and it is an important factor of Deen. The proof lies clearly in this ayat: “Allah has promised those of you who believe and do good works to make them successors (over the disbelievers) in the land as He had made their ancestors before them, to strengthen the deen He chose for them, and to change their fear to safety” (Nur-55).
Although the difference in status between Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) and even the highest amongst the Sahabah (Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) Hazrat Abu Bakr (radhiallahu anhu)is extremely vast but the order of following Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) or the Sahabah (radhiallahu anhum) is the same. We have similar examples in the Mighty Quran like-“Follow Allah and the Rasul”- whist the difference between Allah and the Rasul (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) is self – evident and well known but the order of following their orders is the same.
To substantiate the fact that one has to follow the path as shown to us by Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) and the Sahabah (radhiallahu anhum) the next 2 sections are sufficient for any honest seeker of the Haqq(Truth).
Section One:
This section contains ayaats from the Noble Quran to prove that Allah clearly commands us to follow the Sunnat of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam). And that Rasulullah(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) is divinely inspired.
1. “O Muslims , obey Allah and the Rasul and those in authority from among you”.(4:59)
2. “O Muslims respond to Allah and His Rasul when he calls you to that which gives you life”.(8:24)
3. “O Muslims, obey Allah and His Rasul and Turn Not Away(from him), when you hear (him speak)”(8:20).
4. “And whatever the Rasul Gives you, accept it and whatever he Forbids you, Abstain (from it)”(59:7).
5. “Whoever obeys the Rasul, he indeed obeys Allah”(4:30).
6. “Certainly you have in the Rasul of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct ) for him who hopes in Allah and in the last day and remembers Allah much”.(33:21)
7. “Nor does he says of his own desires, it is naught but wahy(revelation) that is reveled”.(53:3-4)
Rasulullah (Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) is divinely Inspired :
8. “Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled, Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire, It is no less than inspiration sent down to him He was taught by one Mighty in Power.” (53:2-5)
9. “(We sent them) with Clear Signs and Scriptures; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.”(16:44)
10. “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!”.(4:115)
11. “But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.”(4:65)
12. “Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."(3:31)


Section Two :

The Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) are a criterion of Right and Wrong: Quranic Proof 1. ”Those who believed and left their homes and strove for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them--these are the believers in truth. For them is pardon, and a bountiful provision.”(8:74)
2. “But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things. Such are they who are the successful.”(9:88)
3. “And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness--Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph”.(9:100)
See also (surah Hadeed, 10 ; Tahreem,8; Fatah,29; ……)



The Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) are a criterion of Right and Wrong: Hadith Proof 1. “ Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam), which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and My Companions Belong”.(Transmitted by Tirmidhi.Vol 2, P89, Also in miskat ul Masabeh 171,172 and see 173, and 174.)
2. “In whichever country any one of my Sahaba is buried, he will rise up upon the Day of Judgment as a guide, and as a light for the inhabitants of that country” (Tirmidhi Vol 2, P.226).
3. “The best era is mine, the next best after this one and the next one after that…” (Bukhari).
4. Rasulullah(Sallallaahu layhi Wasallam) said : “Allah, Most High, cast a glance upon the hearts of His slaves, then He choose Muhammad for Risaalat. Then He cast a glance upon the hearts of His slaves and selected his Companions for him and made them helpers of His Deen and his Ministers. So the work of this Muslims(Sahaba) consider as good is also good in the sight of Allah, And the work they consider as bad is also bad in the sight of Allah”.(Muwatta – P112).
Moreover when Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) was questioned about the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah, he replied – “The one who acknowledges the superiority of the ShayKhain(i.e to acknowledge that Abu Bakr(R.A) and Umar(R.A) are superior over all other Sahaba(Radhiallaahu nhum Ajmaien) ) – to love Kha’nayain (i.e to love Uthman(R.A) and Ali(R.A))- to acknowledge the validity of masah on Khuffain(passing of wet hands on leather socks)” this Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) extracted from a statement of Hazrath Anas Bin Malik(R.A). (Marginal note No:3 of Quduri P.27).
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Next time people should know that if they call the Muslims as biddati and mushrik for wrong reason then they will have to read this thread also.
 

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