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[Mocha7]

Rigging is not possible under a very large voter turn out. How else do you think PTI won by elections in Punjab under Hamza Shehbaz govt?

Suleman Shahbaz was never a CM, dim-witted mongrel.

 

[arifkarim]

Dum-brained cretin, are elections for the federal government going to be held on the moon.

No. They are going to held in federal constituencies. Nothing to do with provinces.

 

[arifkarim]

Suleman Shahbaz was never a CM, dim-witted mongrel.

What Suleman Shahbaz? I wrote Hamza Shahbaz, read again you moron!

 

[Mocha7]

What Suleman Shahbaz? I edited it.

 

[Mocha7]

Rigging is not possible under a very large voter turn out. How else do you think PTI won by elections in Punjab under Hamza Shehbaz govt?

By not abducting the presiding officers. How will you ensure that, should PTI win, they won't abduct the presiding officers in general elections?

 

[Mocha7]

No. They are going to held in federal constituencies. Nothing to do with provinces.

What the fuck is a federal constituency? The national assembly elections will be held in the provinces, you dour dirt-licking cretin.

 

[Masud Rajaa]

F the rogue army!

 

[Nice2MU]

بادی النظر میں تو یہ بات صحیح ہے لیکن اس ملک میں ہر چیز ممکن ہے . کل کوئی نیا مدعا نہ کھڑا کر دیں​

یہ اتنے بیوقوف ہیں انہوں نے ساری عمر ٹانکے ہی لگائے ہیں ۔ یہ لوگ صرف گند کر سکتے ہیں۔ پکا کام کر ہ نہیں سکتے ۔ انکا اتنا دماغ نہیں اور نہ باوریں فیل والوں کا۔

 

[arifkarim]

By not abducting the presiding officers. How will you ensure that, should PTI win, they won't abduct the presiding officers in general elections?

In that case election commission will redo election. Remember what happened in Daska? PMLN demanded repoll on 20 polling stations. But Patwari Chief election commissioner gave them a complete re election.

 

[arifkarim]

What the fuck is a federal constituency? The national assembly elections will be held in the provinces, you dour dirt-licking cretin.

So what? Provincial constituencies are different from federal constituencies, even if they are situated in the provinces or federal areas. It doesn’t matter.

 

[Mocha7]

In that case election commission will redo election. Remember what happened in Daska? PMLN demanded repoll on 20 polling stations. But Patwari Chief election commissioner gave them a complete re election.

Re-election on a large scale is not possible. Both elections should be held concurrently.

 

[Mocha7]

So what? Provincial constituencies are different from federal constituencies, even if they are situated in the provinces or federal areas. It doesn’t matter.

What's with your blathering about constituencies, dunderhead? The provinces where the elections will take place should have an independent interim system in place to guarantee free and fair elections.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

But the provincial government certainly does.

In that case, I think any election in Pakistan should be held with the change of the COAS in the office.

 

[Mocha7]

In that case, I think any election in Pakistan should be held with the change of the COAS in the office.

I didn't get your point; you're trying to argue that the sitting Punjab and KpK governments will have no influence on the general elections?

 

[Sohail Shuja]

Why, in your opinion, shouldn't the court discuss all pertinent aspects of the case?

Depends on the definition of the "PERTINENT ASPECTS". If SC did not take notice of the PTI MNAs residing at Sindh House at the time of VONC, then what is "pertinent" is a very vague term .... rather a tool to justify injustice.

Verily, courts should not overarch on anything and everything. Their job is to ascertain a question of law, as per the law. Nothing more, nothing less. Whereas, they did the right thing by not considering the Cipher sent to them, as it is the prerogative of the Foreign Office and could've been investigated under the executive powers of the PM of that time.

Likewise, prevention of influence/rigging of elections is the power of the ECP and the prerogative of the State. i.e. why it has been ascribed to an independent institution (ECP) and President/Governor, who are representatives of the State, not any political party. If they fail to conduct a transparent election, then the Chairman ECP and/or the President/Governor should be hanged upside down.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I didn't get your point; you're trying to argue that the sitting Punjab and KpK governments will have no influence on the general elections?

My point is that the ECP and the Governors are given ample powers to curb any influence on the elections. It is their responsibility to impede any interference into their function. If they cannot do their job properly, then they should go home.

By asserting that they cannot hold free & fair elections under the caretaker setups in KPK and Punjab, then it means they (ECP and Governor) are accepting that they are good for nothing fellas.

 

[Mocha7]

Depends on the definition of the "PERTINENT ASPECTS". If SC did not take notice of the PTI MNAs residing at Sindh House at the time of VONC, then what is "pertinent" is a very vague term .... rather a tool to justify injustice.

Verily, courts should not overarch on anything and everything. Their job is to ascertain a question of law, as per the law. Nothing more, nothing less. Whereas, they did the right thing by not considering the Cipher sent to them, as it is the prerogative of the Foreign Office and could've been investigated under the executive powers of the PM of that time.

Likewise, prevention of influence/rigging of elections is the power of the ECP and the prerogative of the State. i.e. why it has been ascribed to an independent institution (ECP) and President/Governor, who are representatives of the State, not any political party. If they fail to conduct a transparent election, then the Chairman ECP and/or the President/Governor should be hanged upside down.

O bhai the case is already before the Supreme Court. The election commission and other institutions, such as parliament and the executive, are weak, whereas the Supreme Court is more than powerful. The "state" that you have described, in my opinion, will eventually argue to explore those pertinent aspects with economic and provincial caretaker setup being some of them.

 

[Mocha7]

My point is that the ECP and the Governors are given ample powers to curb any influence on the elections. It is their responsibility to impede any interference into their function. If they cannot do their job properly, then they should go home.

By asserting that they cannot hold free & fair elections under the caretaker setups in KPK and Punjab, then it means they (ECP and Governor) are accepting that they are good for nothing fellas.

I don't know which part of La La Land you reside in; it could be a figment of your imagination. How long did it take the election commission to announce its decision in the single-seat Daska presiding officer abduction case?

 

[Sohail Shuja]

O bhai the case is already before the Supreme Court.

This case of conducting elections in 90 days post dissolution of assemblies? Yes, I know.

The election commission and other institutions, such as parliament and the executive, are weak, whereas the Supreme Court is more than powerful.

That is why I initially prescribed that any elections should be held in the country when the COAS changes. However, these arguments are not admissible in a court of law.

What is admissible is that the ECP and the State should do their job properly. If they are being threatened, then the state may use its powers (LEAs, Army, anything) to do what is required of them.

If any party is aggrieved of rigging, they can always approach ECP and/or the Court of law.

The "state" that you have described, in my opinion, will eventually argue to explore those pertinent aspects with economic and provincial caretaker setup being some of them.

I do not know whether they will or will not come up with such arguments. But it is better that they should not. It will make them look like big buffoons and nincompoops.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I don't know which part of La La Land you reside in; it could be a figment of your imagination. How long did it take the election commission to announce its decision in the single-seat Daska presiding officer abduction case?

No, I live in the Banana Rape-public of Pakistan.

and it is not a figment of my imagination, but the study of our constitution and the derived pertinent law.

If the ECP delayed the decision in Daska abduction case, then it is the weakness of ECP Chairman. He should be inquired for the delay by a commission set up by the SC or LHC, on request of the sitting Federal Govt.

The incompetence of a person cannot be made an excuse to change the law or not following it in its due letter and spirit.