بلوچستان کے مسائل کا حل صرف اور صرف جمہوری طریقے سے ممکن ہے، نوازشریف

Mocha7

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yup that's true.

Interestingly Balochistan mein PMLN ke aakhri hukumat thi jo jamhoori aur siasi the.

2018 mein establishment, PPP, PTI ne mil kar siasi hukumat girai, BAP banai.
Take election 2018 se pehle PMLN ko senate ke sab se bari political party banner se roka ha sake..

Us din se wahan complete faujion ke hukumat hai and over the time political role khatam hota gaya...
 
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Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Khud boot chat kar dou numbri hakumat bana kar baytha hay aur jamhoriyat key baat kar raha hay baygherat.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Khud boot chat kar dou numbri hakumat bana kar baytha hay aur jamhoriyat key baat kar raha hay baygherat.
Don't forget that it was PTI which collaborated with PPP to des seat the Senate Chairmanship and handed it over to the member of parliament from Baluchistan vote went in Favour of PPP and elected their chairman of senate choice along with PTI's own Vice chairman.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yup that's true.

Interestingly Balochistan mein PMLN ke aakhri hukumat thi jo jamhoori aur siasi the.

2018 mein establishment, PPP, PTI ne mil kar siasi hukumat girai, BAP banai.
Take election 2018 se pehle PMLN ko senate ke sab se bari political party banner se roka ha sake..


Us din se wahan complete faujion ke hukumat hai and over the time political role khatam hota gaya...
100% true.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Don't forget that it was PTI which collaborated with PPP to des seat the Senate Chairmanship and handed it over to the member of parliament from Baluchistan vote went in Favour of PPP and elected their chairman of senate choice along with PTI's own Vice chairman.
That has nothing to do with what is happening in Balochistan,
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That has nothing to do with what is happening in Balochistan,
The Baluchistan problem has been a chronic one. The politicians messed it up even more. The example I gave you a prime example that how politicians manipulated the so-called democracy vote. You might come back and say that it is happening everywhere in the country, not just in Baluchistan. I will take that and agree with it. But don't think that PTI has done any better when it comes down to supporting establishment and carving its own way out of the interest, either with establishment or with another rival political party. Destabilizing factor ratio remained the same.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
The Baluchistan problem has been a chronic one. The politicians messed it up even more. The example I gave you a prime example that how politicians manipulated the so-called democracy vote. You might come back and say that it is happening everywhere in the country, not just in Baluchistan. I will take that and agree with it. But don't think that PTI has done any better when it comes down to supporting establishment and carving its own way out of the interest, either with establishment or with another rival political party. Destabilizing factor ratio remained the same.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1903398390525727017
 

exitonce

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
shut-up.jpg
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Merely handing them the money and continue to support the resourceful few in Baluchistan is not going to solve the problems which are lingering for ages. The only way forward for them, and to that matter, for the rest of the country is that politicians get themselves clean of any self-interest and corruption. Choosing few in Baluchistan and having them sit in Government and then provide them funds without accountability and transparency, so they can buy their own support and keep their own vote bank is a receipt for disaster anywhere.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
But don't think that PTI has done any better when it comes down to supporting establishment and carving its own way out of the interest, either with establishment or with another rival political party. Destabilizing factor ratio remained the same.
How did PTI destabilize the country or a province? How many terrorist attacks took place during the PTI government? Don't drag PTI in it. Why did the state kill innocent protesters on 26/11 in D Chouk? and 21/03 2025 in Quetta?
The root cause is that we do not have democracy, the fascist corrupt army generals are controlling every institution in the country.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
How did PTI destabilize the country or a province? How many terrorist attacks took place during the PTI government? Don't drag PTI in it. Why did the state kill innocent protesters on 26/11 in D Chouk? and 21/03 2025 in Quetta?
The root cause is that we do not have democracy, the fascist corrupt army generals are controlling every institution in the country.
Destabilizing factor is the same. Every party in Governance used it including PTI.
You had more than 3 years to firmly resolve the old and chronic issues which were there only because of the legislature work was not completed, either by intentions or by laziness. PTI used establishment sticks to try to resolve many problems and it was no difference than any other previous Government. I have IK on record saying that every time he required a vote in parliament, he called generals to bring his votes to get the legislation pass. Now, if a leader of a party doing that, it will be counted as a favor and will be paid back in any other form or shape in future.

I personally think that without the change of attitude of politicians, and rulers, no matter which form of Government you bring it, it will oath to fail.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Destabilizing factor is the same. Every party in Governance used it including PTI.
You had more than 3 years to firmly resolve the old and chronic issues which were there only because of the legislature work was not completed, either by intentions or by laziness. PTI used establishment sticks to try to resolve many problems and it was no difference than any other previous Government. I have IK on record saying that every time he required a vote in parliament, he called generals to bring his votes to get the legislation pass. Now, if a leader of a party doing that, it will be counted as a favor and will be paid back in any other form or shape in future.
This situation is not related to Imran Khan or PTI. Imran Khan requested Bajwa to secure a vote for FATF legislation because the corrupt opposition sought to resolve their cases before supporting the FATF measures. Consequently, the opposition acted against the state's interests to remove Pakistan from the grey list.
How many innocent civilians lost their lives while protesting peacefully during the PTI's tenure?
 

saleema

Senator (1k+ posts)
Yup that's true.

Interestingly Balochistan mein PMLN ke aakhri hukumat thi jo jamhoori aur siasi the.

2018 mein establishment, PPP, PTI ne mil kar siasi hukumat girai, BAP banai.
Take election 2018 se pehle PMLN ko senate ke sab se bari political party banner se roka ha sake..

Us din se wahan complete faujion ke hukumat hai and over the time political role khatam hota gaya...

Mubarak ho Nelson Mandela jaag Gaya...
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This situation is not related to Imran Khan or PTI. Imran Khan requested Bajwa to secure a vote for FATF legislation because the corrupt opposition sought to resolve their cases before supporting the FATF measures. Consequently, the opposition acted against the state's interests to remove Pakistan from the grey list.
How many innocent civilians lost their lives while protesting peacefully during the PTI's tenure?
You are only blaming opposition and listing the issues about FATF. IK statement was not just for the FATF. If one to start counting their grievances, then how many letters to the UN and other international institutions went out from PTI to intervene in country's internal affairs? I bet you there are handful of these letters and requests went out, which ran contrary to the security of the country. IK just announced a year ago to the expatriates to stop sending the remittances from abroad. How could this act alone be an act of any patriotic Pakistani who understands the complexity of the state and its people.

I think the readers here are grownups and we shouldn't be kidding ourselves with these immature statements and finger pointing at each other.

As far as the restrictions against protest, I oppose them all the time, however, May protest could not be just brushed off as a peaceful protest. Any other state in the world, would have done the same or even worst where the defense installations were attacked, and chaos was created in the country. You can't let mob rule the streets and burn down everything which is in their way. That kind of lawlessness is not acceptable anywhere.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You are only blaming opposition and listing the issues about FATF. IK statement was not just for the FATF. If one to start counting their grievances, then how many letters to the UN and other international institutions went out from PTI to intervene in country's internal affairs? I bet you there are handful of these letters and requests went out, which ran contrary to the security of the country. IK just announced a year ago to the expatriates to stop sending the remittances from abroad. How could this act alone be an act of any patriotic Pakistani who understands the complexity of the state and its people.

I think the readers here are grownups and we shouldn't be kidding ourselves with these immature statements and finger pointing at each other.

As far as the restrictions against protest, I oppose them all the time, however, May protest could not be just brushed off as a peaceful protest. Any other state in the world, would have done the same or even worst where the defense installations were attacked, and chaos was created in the country. You can't let mob rule the streets and burn down everything which is in their way. That kind of lawlessness is not acceptable anywhere.
You are taking the issue in a different direction. Once again why did the state kill its innocent civilians? You are well aware that this government is a fake mandated government therefore they are least interested if anyone lives or dies. All they want to do is corruption, and make overseas properties by money laundering. This includes the bastard generals as well.
 

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