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zaheer2003

zaheer2003

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Awan S said:
I don't rememeber specific situation at that time but typically short fall was 6000 MV and PMLN added over 12,000 MV electricity in the system. Sometime government don't generate full capacity electricity to control payements to electricity companies; I think that was the case at that time.
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12000 MW proof ?
 
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Kamboz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Awan S said:
Covid is a poor execuse. In fact loans were put on hold for 1.5 years which was biggest advantage. Imagine you don't have to pay loans for 1.5 years; this will be a comfortable position for any government as one third of budget goes to re-pay old loans. Covid caused problems for common man not government. When Nawaz started government in 2013, it was 18 hours load shedding and atleast one bomb blast every week. These were bigger excuses but PMLN never used them as an excuse instead they resolve both these issues before end of their term. They started CPEC which Khan put on back burner. These three are biggest achievement. In addition to that thousands of kilometer motorways, two metro bus, one metro train, universities, hospitals and many more. Khan has only health card which was only premimum paid by government. Khan government took 73% of entire 70% loan by Pakistan and where did that money go?
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You cannot take credit for Load shedding and terror outfits... those terror outfits were taken care of by army after the Peshawar APS disaster which also happened during Nawaz tenure, do you take ownership?
Nawaz Govt was lucky that China started CPEC at same time and dollars flowed in which Dar used to keep Rupees/$ value in tight range. Despite charges of slowing down CPEC, Chinese minister has said on record that there was no slow down during PTI tenure and all projects were worked upon. Many of the roads started earlier, were completed and unlike PPP which stopped all Nawaz projects in previous Govts.

Secondly, the Load shedding issue is basically a capacity issue, Pak already had capacity to make enough electricity but due to revolving dieficit, where the power houses were not paid enough and so they were not producing to thier full capacity.
Nawaz took office and one go paid 500 billion rupees to power sector , which eased thier finances and they could now purchase furnace oil fully.
However, do you take ownership for the costly agreements Nawaz and zardari Govts made with these power houses IPPs. to pay them in dollars and also to pay for capcity payments, those agreements are what are driving the cost of electricty and the country is suffering.
If Covid brought debt relief then there are ways to deal with it, which PTI was able to deal with and Pak economy emerged third in world ranking after singapore. All this is on record.
The financial condition of country as was left in 2018 , there was no way to run it except taking loans to run it. But PTI was turning things around, record tax collection.. all on record, ... record incoming remittances ... and increase in exports and agriculutre ... till April 2022.
If PTI took huge loans, PDM took double loans in 16 months, they should answer more about it.
 
Awan S

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Kamboz said:
You cannot take credit for Load shedding and terror outfits... those terror outfits were taken care of by army after the Peshawar APS disaster which also happened during Nawaz tenure, do you take ownership?
Nawaz Govt was lucky that China started CPEC at same time and dollars flowed in which Dar used to keep Rupees/$ value in tight range. Despite charges of slowing down CPEC, Chinese minister has said on record that there was no slow down during PTI tenure and all projects were worked upon. Many of the roads started earlier, were completed and unlike PPP which stopped all Nawaz projects in previous Govts.

Secondly, the Load shedding issue is basically a capacity issue, Pak already had capacity to make enough electricity but due to revolving dieficit, where the power houses were not paid enough and so they were not producing to thier full capacity.
Nawaz took office and one go paid 500 billion rupees to power sector , which eased thier finances and they could now purchase furnace oil fully.
However, do you take ownership for the costly agreements Nawaz and zardari Govts made with these power houses IPPs. to pay them in dollars and also to pay for capcity payments, those agreements are what are driving the cost of electricty and the country is suffering.
If Covid brought debt relief then there are ways to deal with it, which PTI was able to deal with and Pak economy emerged third in world ranking after singapore. All this is on record.
The financial condition of country as was left in 2018 , there was no way to run it except taking loans to run it. But PTI was turning things around, record tax collection.. all on record, ... record incoming remittances ... and increase in exports and agriculutre ... till April 2022.
If PTI took huge loans, PDM took double loans in 16 months, they should answer more about it.
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It was Zardari government for 5 years before Nawaz and why he could not eliminate load shedding, restore law & order and start CPEC. Nawaz went to China days after his oath and MOU were signed. MOU is always a first step to start any project and no one signed that before him. Nawaz also signed electricity project under CPEC as well. Nawaz brough Raheel Shareef specifically to restore peace in the country. Khan said that electricity projects are expensive; China called Khan to China and open all agreements and asked him what is expensive here. Electricity is expensive because agreements were in US-dollars and USD went up wild during Khan era and after that. Nawaz did not signed any IPP with capacity charges; those were PPP era. PTI has a habit not to give credit to anyone.
 
zaheer2003

zaheer2003

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
zaheer2003

zaheer2003

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Awan S said:
On your source on page 212 it shows 12,230 MV in the table.
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Thanks you pointed a right thing now take some figuers from 2021-2022 economic survey where capacity have reached 41,557 MW from 29,000+. which tells in PTI tenure another 12000MW added to system.

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Also with local source PTI Govt. established future projects of 11,386MW. Means no expensive energy and clean energy

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KHAN has made it more feasible for Pakistanis

 
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Kamboz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Awan S said:
It was Zardari government for 5 years before Nawaz and why he could not eliminate load shedding, restore law & order and start CPEC. Nawaz went to China days after his oath and MOU were signed. MOU is always a first step to start any project and no one signed that before him. Nawaz also signed electricity project under CPEC as well. Nawaz brough Raheel Shareef specifically to restore peace in the country. Khan said that electricity projects are expensive; China called Khan to China and open all agreements and asked him what is expensive here. Electricity is expensive because agreements were in US-dollars and USD went up wild during Khan era and after that. Nawaz did not signed any IPP with capacity charges; those were PPP era. PTI has a habit not to give credit to anyone.
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Check your facts... IPP were in both era... PPP and Noon.... all had clauses demanding payments in US$.. and capacity payments... same is true for LNG agreement with Qatar
 
Awan S

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
zaheer2003 said:
Thanks you pointed a right thing now take some figuers from 2021-2022 economic survey where capacity have reached 41,557 MW from 29,000+. which tells in PTI tenure another 12000MW added to system.

GETIBJVa4AAlguq

Also with local source PTI Govt. established future projects of 11,386MW. Means no expensive energy and clean energy

GETI5fJbkAAWGK0

KHAN has made it more feasible for Pakistanis

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وہی سی پیک کے انرجی پروجیکٹ جو نواز دور میں شروع ہوئے وہ آگے بڑھتے رہے کسی نے دو ہزار انیس میں مکمل ہونا تھا کسی نے بیس اور کسی نے اکیس میں تو خان دور میں وہی پروجیکٹ مکمل ہوتے گئے - اب اس کا کریڈٹ بھی خان کو دو گے - بھاشا ڈیم اگر میں تمہاری طرح ہوں تو کہوں یہ تو ڈیزائن پہلے سے بنا تھا زمین خریدی جا چکی تھی خان نے ڈیم چین کو دیا تو بننا شروع ہو گیا - تو خان بھاشا ڈیم کو اگلے فیز میں لے کر گیا تو اسے کریڈٹ ملنا چاہئے - یہ منصوبہ اصل فائدہ تو چین کو دے گا اسی لئے نون لیگ اپنے دور میں ہچکچا رہی تھی کہ چین سے کوئی ایسی ڈیل ہو کہ برابر کا فائدہ ہو بحرحال ہمیں بھی فائدہ ہے تو چلو اس کی تعمیر شروع ہوئی
 
zaheer2003

zaheer2003

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Awan S said:
وہی سی پیک کے انرجی پروجیکٹ جو نواز دور میں شروع ہوئے وہ آگے بڑھتے رہے کسی نے دو ہزار انیس میں مکمل ہونا تھا کسی نے بیس اور کسی نے اکیس میں تو خان دور میں وہی پروجیکٹ مکمل ہوتے گئے - اب اس کا کریڈٹ بھی خان کو دو گے - بھاشا ڈیم اگر میں تمہاری طرح ہوں تو کہوں یہ تو ڈیزائن پہلے سے بنا تھا زمین خریدی جا چکی تھی خان نے ڈیم چین کو دیا تو بننا شروع ہو گیا - تو خان بھاشا ڈیم کو اگلے فیز میں لے کر گیا تو اسے کریڈٹ ملنا چاہئے - یہ منصوبہ اصل فائدہ تو چین کو دے گا اسی لئے نون لیگ اپنے دور میں ہچکچا رہی تھی کہ چین سے کوئی ایسی ڈیل ہو کہ برابر کا فائدہ ہو بحرحال ہمیں بھی فائدہ ہے تو چلو اس کی تعمیر شروع ہوئی
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ماشااللہ کیا بات کر دی مطلب ۱۲،۰۰۰ نون لیگ نے بھی لگائے اس سے اگلی جو ۱۸،۰۰۰ کے نزدیک کپیسٹی بڑھائی وہ بھی نون لیگ کے لگائے منصوبے تھے اور جو ۱۱،۵۰۰ آنے والے وقتوں میں منصوبے بنانے کا پلان بنا وہ بھی نون لیگ کا تھا۔

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