All the criminal generals now are just following the the actual criminal, and traitor, Ayub Khan, a Pashtun, father of Pakistan’s destruction. There are non Punjabi judges and bureaucrats also. Can you even name one who actually tried to resign or protested against the government. Punjabi or non Punjabi are all the same in power. Why do you think the government doesn’t want elections in Punjab if Punjabi people don’t care about the country?
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Modest
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Why are they following him, don’t they have any brain or dignity of their own? If they were loyal to the country then they wouldn’t follow the footsteps of Ayub, Zia and Musharraf. Apart from Musharraf & Kakar every army chief in the last fifty years was Punjabi.
Don’t try to hide the criminality & terrorism of Punjabi Generals. There is a long list of slave & traitor Punjabi Generals who have always sold the country for their personal greed. Every fkng corrupt judge, bureaucrat and General is Punjabi.
Common Punjabis have woken up thanks to Imran Khan but Punjabi establishment is still sponsoring and supporting the corrupt and tested parties.
Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Musharraf and civilian dictator Bhutto. That's 30 years of Pakistani history between those who weren't "always Punjabi", during which Pakistan experienced its worst destruction. How many non-Punjabi generals, judges and bureaucrats have actually shown they're different? Which non-Punjabi judge has stood for the truth recently? As a PTI supporter, I also know that the PTI was fully supported by the military as well.
Aslam Beg (Urdu speaking), Jahangir Karamat ( Pushtoon from Panjab like Imran Khan), Pervez Kiyani (Pothohari who don't like to call themselves Punjabi).
Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Next you will say Zia was also not Punjabi because he migrated from India.
Ignorance & denial will not take you anywhere. Punjabi Foj raped Bengali women & now they are doing the same to Punjabi women. Yahya, Zia, Sharif family, Kiyani, Karamat, Kiyani, Raheel, Bajwa, Asim and their subordinate terrorist Generals Nadeem Anjum, Faisal Naseer etc all from Punjab.
The destruction we are seeing today is taking Pakistan to disintegration again.
Look how disgracefully and disrespectfully Punjab police and Punjabi army are treating the women protesters. Look what they did to Shahbaz Gill & Azam Swati. Only begharat Punjabis in uniform can do such inhumane acts. Punjabis become animals once they wear uniform.
I didn't mention Zia because I know who he was. Do you think the military doesn't have non-Punjabi. What do you think these non-Punjabi officers and soldiers are doing? Where are all the "honest" non-Punjabi judges and bureaucrats? Are Zardari, Fazlur Rehman and the MQM Punjabi?
Yes, the police in Punjab are terrible, as are the police in Sindh. You just don't read much about them in the news. KPK is better because the police there have had many reforms. The PTI has failed to reform Punjab police as it has a much larger infrastructure than KPK police and because Azam Khan, a Pashtun bureaucrat, has meddled too much in Punjab affairs and screwed up.
If Yahya, Kiyani and Karamat are Punjabis then so is Imran Khan.
Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am talking about the majority which is overwhelming Punjabis and they are the root cause of every problem in Pakistan.
Non Punjabis have become hostage to the criminal Punjabi establishment.
Without going too much into history look at the current civilian & military establishment. All are Punjabis and they have joined hands together against the people of Pakistan.
Chief Justice is a Punjabi and under his watch women, children and innocent people are getting tortured on the orders begharat Punjabi Generals Asim Munir and Bajwa but the coward CJ is silent and allowing this brutality and injustice.
Begharat Punjabi establishment is a cancer for Pakistan and we are in this mess because of these traitors.
The main cause of the great disasters in Pakistan were the Baigharats establishment, who wern't Punjabis. It was a Baigharat Pushtoon general who introduced military rule in Pakistan and permanently afflicted a new born Pakistan. It was another Baigharat Pashtoon general and a Baigharat Sindhi politician who broke Pakistan. A Baigharat Pashtoon general surrendered in East Pakistan. A Baigharat Urdu speaking general and many of his Baigharat Pashtoon and Punjabi subordinates started a civil war in Pakistan. This Baigharat Urdu speaker gave NRO.
The non-Punjabi Bhaigarat establishment has hurt Pakistan the most, even though they're less in numbers. But, I'll never say that it was a Baigharat Pashtun general who humiliated Fatima Jinnah and so on. I only reminded you the ethnicity of Pakistan's leading Baigharats in establishment since you want to focus on the ethnicity of the people.
It's the attitude of the Pakistani elites not the ethnicity. This time it's the elite from Punjab holding all the powerful positions and they are responsible for this mess along with their many non Punjabi partners.
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Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The problem with you guys is that you never accept your mistakes. Every non Punjabi is living in hell because of the traitor, slave and corrupt Punjabi Generals.
Ask any Bengali, Balochi, Pashtun and muhajir about Punjabi Generals. No one will say anything good about them. Everyone hates this begharat Punjabi army. Punjabi soldiers raped Bengali women and now they are doing the same to Punjabi women. Only begharat Punjabi Genersls can order such inhumane acts which are happening right now. What Bajwa did and what Asim is doing proves that Punjabi Generals are worst than animals. Twenty years from now on you will also blame this shit on non punjabis.
You guys were always laughing and enjoying when non Punjabis were facing state terrorism. Tell me which mofo current General is non Punjabi? Bajwa, Asim, Nadeem Anjum, Faisal Naseer etc are all terrorist Punjabi Generals. Their job is to protect Pakistanis but they are humiliating and torturing them. According to you Yahya was a Farsi from Punjab. You forgetting your other begharat Punjabi General Zia who destroyed Pakistani society by bringing Kalashnikov culture & sectarianism in Pakistan.
Pakistani elite has always been more than 90% Punjabis, so don’t blame others for your sins. Your part of the destruction has always been more than 90%. It is the Punjabi establishment who has always fucked up Pakistan for their own greed.
It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. I blame the Punjabi elite along with others. Other ethnic groups need to learn to hold their own criminals accountable instead of blaming Punjabis for their own crimes.
Let's see how much of what you say is true. Please name the Punjabi establishment that made Ayub do what he did. Which Punjabi establishment was it?
Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So you carry on blaming Ayub but ignoring the dozen of Punjabi army chiefs who have repeatedly sold the country for their greed & personal interests.
I hate Ayub and Musharraf as much as I hate the rest of the traitor army chiefs.
You cannot hide your crimes behind Ayub and Musharraf. Even they were supported to the core in their crimes by their subordinate Punjabi Generals.
Ayub did terribly bad to Fatima Jinnah and Bengalis. Why the Punjabi Generals didn’t learn anything from that disaster?
My point which you fail to understand is that 90% of the army and Generals are Punjabis and what they have been doing especially since Musharraf time is no less than treason.
Forget Ayub, Zia and Musharraf and focus on the last four army chiefs. All of them are Punjabis and all are worst than animals.
In this modern day and age, begharat Punjabi army chiefs are torturing our women, children and innocent people. Their job is to protect Pakistanis but they are doing the opposite of that.
The illegal & inhumane actions of these Punjabi Generals have made the people hating the army which is so dangerous for the country. What India and other enemies couldn’t do, has successfully been done by Bajwa and Asim type Harami and begharat Generals.
I mentioned Ayub as an example. I could have also asked the question, which Punjabi establishment made Bhutto and Musharraf do what they did. There have been seven army chiefs who are actually Punjabis. But without splitting hairs, we can say that being an army chief isn't a crime. General Asif Nawaz, Waheed Kakar or Jahangeer Karamat, for example, did nothing wrong. The criticism is against the people who are in power, take wrong decisions and then stop people from criticizing them. This is true for Punjabis and non-Punjabis. I agree with you about Bajwa and Munir. I didn't need anyone to convince me that they were bad. The point was the false claim that it was "always" the Punjabi establishment that sold the country. This is a favorite ploy of racist sub-nationalists to absolve their own elite of any responsibility and find a bogeyman for their narrative. Punjabis are present in large numbers in all institutions due to their higher population doesn't mean that they're also involved in all decision making processes. I understand that out of frustration, people blame the first person they see, and in many cases that is a Punjabi soldier or a civil servant. That is like the non-Pashtun population of Afghanistan often blame the Afghan Pashtuns for all of Afghanistan's problems because the Pashtuns are the largest population group there.
As a side note, the propaganda that Pakistani (Punjabi) soldiers were mass raping Bengali women is absolutely false and has been refuted by credible non-Pakistani sources. There were some incidents, but no such rape campaign as we're often sold.
I think I've already made my point at length and don't need to add anything more, so I'll stop here. It was nice talking to you.
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Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The point which you fail to understand is that majority of Punjabi army chiefs are Mir Jaffars and have no morals. I have no sympathy for Ayub and blame him for how he treated Fatima Jinnah and Bengalis.
I blame Musharraf for the 80000 people we lost when he joined the American so called war on terror.
After Musharraf we have four Punjabi army chiefs. Common things among them are that they are cowards, slaves, shameless and both morally & financially corrupt. Only Punjab police and Punjabi army chiefs can torture and kill innocent Pakistanis including women and children. Even an enemy can’t do what they have done to Pakistanis in the last 14 months. I guarantee you any future Punjabi army chiefs will behave the same inhumane way.
As I said before a Punjabi in uniform is worst than animal.
I reckon a Punjabi should never become an army chief because it’s in their gene to become a traitor, betray and sell the country for their personal greed.
Ok nice talking to you.
I reckon a Pashtun should never become an army chief because it’s in their gene to become a traitor, betray and sell the country for their personal greed. We had two Pashtun army chiefs, Ayub and Yahya, back to back and we lost half of our country.
frustrated
Councller (250+ posts)
Neither of these generals had Pushtu as their mother togue. Yahya was a Persian speaker while even Ayub Kan's son Gohar is a non Pushtu speaker. Do not hide behand semantics. What haji baghlol did and what hafiz muneera are doing is un-pardonable. What are your celebrated views about a full blooded Pushtun Kakar
They were both ethnic Pashtuns. Yahay Khan claimed that he had a royal Persian background, but researchers agree that he had a Pashtun heritage. The point is they weren't Punjabi by your standards of someone being a Pashtun. Keep your yardstick consistent. Haji and Hafiz are scum, so were Yaha and Ayub. Kakar was a true professional, just like his predecessor Asif Nawaz (Punjabi), and his successor Jahangir Karamat.
frustrated
Councller (250+ posts)
Yahya was a Qazilbash. They are of Azeri roots who joined Shah Abbas and were instrumental in the forceful convesion of Sunnis in Iran. Later they were bodyguards of Nadir Shah Afshar and killed him in his tent. Still later they joined Ahmad Shah Abdali. They are outright mercenaries. Ayub Khan relieved the country of Ch. Ghulam Muhammad who was paralysed and half mad in the lust for power. Do not forget the 5yr plans which made the country stand on it's feet
Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You said it yourself that Yahya was a Farsi from Punjab, so how is he Pashtun then?
Beta Punjabis have hundreds years history of slavery, cowardice and treason. All the Mir Jaffars and Mir Sadiqs come from Punjabis. Even sensible Punjabis accept this reality.
Punjabis are only good in jugat bazi and mirasi puna. No Punjabi should ever be allowed in army because Pakistani punjabis are number one cowards and mothersellers.
Begharat Qamar Bajwa and Asim Munir are classic examples of that. The whole country is suffering because of the begharat Punjabi civil and military establishment.
I also mistakenly assumed that Yahya spoke Farsi, instead he was an ethnic Pashtun. There are many references to Yahya on the Internet. Iskinder Mirza removed Ghulam Muhammad. Ayub's 5-year plan was great, but doesn't change the fact that his greed for power and ruthlessness towards his opponents led to the disintegration of Pakistan.
frustrated
Councller (250+ posts)
The disintegration of Pakistan started in 1965 when son ZA Bhutto in collaboration with Sec Foreign Office Aziz Ahmad started the operation Gibraltar because Daddy Ayub Khan was not making son ZA Bhutto his successor. Till then we had not borrowed any money from IMF.. The rot started and after Daku rani of Sind [Benazir and her murderer husband murdari agreement with IPPs and later followed by Ganjas has sunk above 45 billion dollars in the gutter ,as stated by our future CJP qazi easy paisa, He also was in indirect beneficiary of that gutter.
