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[RajaRawal111]

how much money they generate. give details

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[RajaRawal111]

how much money they generate. give details

Qatar to buy two LNG power plants from Pakistan: reports

Both power plants were put on the active list for privatisation by the PTI's previous administration in an effort to raise approximately $1.5 billion for budget financing.

dohanews.co

 

[RajaRawal111]

how much money they generate. give details

Saudis and Qatris are not Idiots.
Your Huraami IK killed them buy mucking UP the Qatri LNG deal and killing these plants.

 

[stranger]

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main ne kaha earnings ki detail de. news paper ka article send ker raha hai. 2022 full year or 2023 first quarter ki earnings hi bata de iss project ki

 

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main ne kaha earnings ki detail de. news paper ka article send ker raha hai. 2022 full yearor 2023 first quarter ki earnings hi bata de iss project ki

Saudis and Qatris are not Idiots.
Your Huraami IK killed them buy mucking UP the Qatri LNG deal and killing these plants.

so you know they are not profitable. now go back and read my initial replies

you indeed a patwari by choice

 

[stranger]

Rajarawal111​

as usual i knew you wont have facts to share, nor any choice to reconsider why you are still a patwari

here is todays news. from jang

گزشتہ سال مارچ میں پاکستان کا مجموعی قرض 43 ہزار 12 ارب 70 کروڑ روپے تھا جو رواں سال 32.8 فیصد اضافے سے 57 ہزار 122 ارب روپے ہوگیا ہے۔

اسٹیٹ بینک کے مطابق مارچ 2022 سے مارچ 2023 کے عرصے میں پاکستان کے قرض میں 14 ہزار 109 ارب 80 کروڑ روپے کا اضافہ ہوا ہے۔
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[RajaRawal111]

main ne kaha earnings ki detail de. news paper ka article send ker raha hai. 2022 full yearor 2023 first quarter ki earnings hi bata de iss project ki

so you know they are not profitable. now go back and read my initial replies

you indeed a patwari by choice

I once shared the DBM of these projects with another Imrani Monkey. I will find that document again and share it with you. Can't do it right away. But I will get back to you in 24 hours.
You just tell me why the hell Saudis and Qatris are buying a non profitable plant. Are they stupid.

 

[stranger]

I once shared the DBM of these projects with another Imrani Monkey. I will find that document again and share it with you. Can't do it right away. But I will get back to you in 24 hours.
You just tell me why the hell Saudis and Qatris are buying a non profitable plant. Are they stupid.

dude come up with details. what type of those plants are, what fuel they were using and what is the price of that fuel in international market. what is the profit they are generating.

be specific to details and not news articles.

 

[Husaink]

اوہ یار جپانی او کھوتا وی اسی جیا ہی سی
اس نون صرف ہوا وچ دولتیاں ہی چلانیاں آنیا سن

دولتیاں تے ہوا وچ ہی چلانا سی پر تیریاں چیکاں کس گل توں نکلدیاں سن ؟

 

[RajaRawal111]

دولتیاں تے ہوا وچ ہی چلانا سی پر تیریاں چیکاں کس گل توں نکلدیاں سن ؟

او تے مینوں انج ھی رولا پانے دی عادت اے
بس رونک لا کے رکھنے آں

 

[RajaRawal111]

dude come up with details. what type of those plants are, what fuel they were using and what is the price of that fuel in international market. what is the profit they are generating.

be specific to details and not news articles.

What the hell are you talking about I have to share only the published stuff with you. I am not a Monkey on Facebook like you.

You are constantly running here and there. I asked you about a single-earning project's name and dont have any. Now you are not telling me why the hell Saudis and Qatries are competing to get hold of these plants if they are not profitable projects. You don't have any answer to that as well. Now let me tell you why and deal with your Qs of these plants.

These plants run on regasified LNG. Thieves, when they established these plants also did a Long term deal with Qatris for LNG Import. After your Kutti ka bucha (Imran Khan) mucked up this deal by opening its secret price we were forced to import LNG at 4 to 5 times the price at the open market. And these plants were not profitable anymore.
Jahil - our deal with Qatris was at 13.37% MMBTU of brent which was proven to be the cheapest deal in Asia. Look at this yearly brent price from 2016 to 2023,

Brent crude oil price annually 1976-2025 | Statista

The preliminary 2025 annual price of Brent crude oil reached 77.36 USD per barrel, as of February. This is lower than the 2024 average.

www.statista.com

Do your maths and you will see this is what we should have been paying
Year - brent Price- Price of LNG we should have paid in MMBTU

2016​	43.63​	5.83​
2017​	54.25​	7.25​
2018​	71.34​	9.54​
2019​	64.3​	8.60​
2020​	41.96​	5.61​
2021​	70.86​	9.47​
2022​	100.93​	13.49​
2023​	82.55​	11.04​

And then look at the open market price your Fucken Idiot made Pakistan pay in the open market. I think you should be able to google that at least --- or you want me to tell you that as well?

 

[stranger]

What the hell are you talking about I have to share only the published stuff with you. I am not a Monkey on Facebook like you.

You are constantly running here and there. I asked you about a single-earning project's name and dont have any. Now you are not telling me why the hell Saudis and Qatries are competing to get hold of these plants if they are not profitable projects. You don't have any answer to that as well. Now let me tell you why and deal with your Qs of these plants.

These plants run on regasified LNG. Thieves, when they established these plants also did a Long term deal with Qatris for LNG Import. After your Kutti ka bucha (Imran Khan) mucked up this deal by opening its secret price we were forced to import LNG at 4 to 5 times the price at the open market. And these plants were not profitable anymore.
Jahil - our deal with Qatris was at 13.37% of brent which was proven to be the cheapest deal in Asia. Look at this yearly brent price from 2016 to 2023,

Brent crude oil price annually 1976-2025 | Statista

The preliminary 2025 annual price of Brent crude oil reached 77.36 USD per barrel, as of February. This is lower than the 2024 average.

www.statista.com

Do your maths and you will see this is what we should have been paying
Year - brent Price- Price of LNG we should have paid

2016​	43.63​	5.83​
2017​	54.25​	7.25​
2018​	71.34​	9.54​
2019​	64.3​	8.60​
2020​	41.96​	5.61​
2021​	70.86​	9.47​
2022​	100.93​	13.49​
2023​	82.55​	11.04​

And then look at the open market price your Fucken Idiot made Pakistan pay in the open market. I think you should be able to google that at least --- or you want me to tell you that as well?

where is profitability from the so called profitable money generating units. i know what i am asking and you know that too and thats why you are getting angry because you know you came up with a wrong claim and now struggling to prove it. cheapest in asia does not qualify as the profitable. give me the facts that those projects were indeed profitable even after the record high fuel prices post covid.



you are supposed to give a proof of your claim.

 

[RajaRawal111]

where is profitability from the so called profitable money generating units. i know what i am asking and you know that too and thats why you are getting angry because you know you came up with a wrong claim and now struggling to prove it. cheapest in asia does not qualify as the profitable. give me the facts that those projects were indeed profitable even after the record high fuel prices post covid.



you are supposed to give a proof of your claim.

So what a thermal power plant should run at - farts ??
I know it right from the beginning, you are not capable of understanding anything beyond what your Facebook tells you,
The plants were supposed to run at the cheaper LNG from the long-term contract. Your Ghadaar sabotaged it and we were forced to buy the expensive LNG which took our profits out. That is the simple answer but it is not penetrating in your thick skull.
But these plants can still be run at high profitability margins. that is why Qataris and Saudis are trying to buy them.

 

[RajaRawal111]

where is profitability from the so called profitable money generating units. i know what i am asking and you know that too and thats why you are getting angry because you know you came up with a wrong claim and now struggling to prove it. cheapest in asia does not qualify as the profitable. give me the facts that those projects were indeed profitable even after the record high fuel prices post covid.



you are supposed to give a proof of your claim.

here you go Idiot. look at the balance sheet on page-22, As I said the margins are reduced but Bhikki is still giving you profit.
What your Dug Duggi Masters told you on Facebook is the overall thermal sector performance. Which Includes IPPs running on Furnace Oil.

http://qathermal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/QATPL-Annual-Report-2021-1.pdf

QATPL has not published its report for 2022 - or it is not available on net.

 

[stranger]

So what a thermal power plant should run at - farts ??
I know it right from the beginning, you are not capable of understanding anything beyond what your Facebook tells you,
The plants were supposed to run at the cheaper LNG from the long-term contract. Your Ghadaar sabotaged it and we were forced to buy the expensive LNG which took our profits out. That is the simple answer but it is not penetrating in your thick skull.
But these plants can still be run at high profitability margins. that is why Qataris and Saudis are trying to buy them.

you said its profitable money generating project. i asked for figures. you just get angry but does not state how it is profitable.

lets take it differently. what is cost per unit for the energy generated by this plant. lets do it on yearly basis. unit price for each year and unit price charged by govt for each year. lets compare it and see how much profit gov made from this project.

also clarify how energy prices for fuel were changed, the actual international rate vs the price agreed by pmln. each year comparison.

dont get angry and abusive as you do everytime.

 

[RajaRawal111]

you said its profitable money generating project. i asked for figures. you just get angry but does not state how it is profitable.

lets take it differently. what is cost per unit for the energy generated by this plant. lets do it on yearly basis. unit price for each year and unit price charged by govt for each year. lets compare it and see how much profit gov made from this project.

also clarify how energy prices for fuel were changed, the actual international rate vs the price agreed by pmln. each year comparison.

dont get angry and abusive as you do everytime.

I dont want to keep playing cat-and-mouse games with you. You asked for the profits. I have shown you the Bhikki profit in my post No 73. I said it is reduced because of high LNG prices in the open market but still these plants are high-efficiency plants. That is why we have competitors who want to buy them and operate them wisely and make tremendous profits.
Another earning department was NHA. Here is one piece of news about that.

NHA generates Rs21.617bn revenue in 1HFY21

ISLAMABAD: The National Highways Authority (NHA) has generated Rs21.617 billion of revenue in the first half...

www.brecorder.com

 

[stranger]

I dont want to keep playing cat-and-mouse games with you. You asked for the profits. I have shown you the Bhikki profit in my post No 73. I said it is reduced because of high LNG prices in the open market but still these plants are high-efficiency plants. That is why we have competitors who want to buy them and operate them wisely and make tremendous profits.
Another earning department was NHA. Here is one piece of news about that.

NHA generates Rs21.617bn revenue in 1HFY21

ISLAMABAD: The National Highways Authority (NHA) has generated Rs21.617 billion of revenue in the first half...

www.brecorder.com

you said and i should agree right. thats what your logic.

all i am saying is prove that cost per unit from these plants is cheaper than the average unit cost charged by govt. if its cheaper its profitable, if not its a burden

you have to do comparison by each year, when prices of fuel were cheap and also when prices of fuel were high.

you also have to see how much rate per unit charged by govt to consumers was inflated each year.

all those power plants are generating expensive energy and their per unit cost is more than the rate at which govt is charging and specially when the fuel prices gone up, they turned out to be a time bomb for economy. also look at the coal plants developed by pmln, importing coal from south africa and not using thar coal also having the plant in sahiwal where transportation cost from sea port to sahiwal was adding billions to the costs. if they have installed it near sea post areas, transportation costs would have been reduced significantly and there would have been lot less damage to roads because of loaded coal containers

deny any of the argument with facts please

dont turn out aan angry patwari as usual

regarding NHA. just go and read how much roads were built by pmln uin 5 years vs PTI in 3.5 years despite covid.

 

[RajaRawal111]

you said and i should agree right. thats what your logic.

all i am saying is prove that cost per unit from these plants is cheaper than the average unit cost charged by govt. if its cheaper its profitable, if not its a burden

you have to do comparison by each year, when prices of fuel were cheap and also when prices of fuel were high.

you also have to see how much rate per unit charged by govt to consumers was inflated each year.

all those power plants are generating expensive energy and their per unit cost is more than the rate at which govt is charging and specially when the fuel prices gone up, they turned out to be a time bomb for economy. also look at the coal plants developed by pmln, importing coal from south africa and not using thar coal also having the plant in sahiwal where transportation cost from sea port to sahiwal was adding billions to the costs. if they have installed it near sea post areas, transportation costs would have been reduced significantly and there would have been lot less damage to roads because of loaded coal containers

deny any of the argument with facts please

dont turn out aan angry patwari as usual

regarding NHA. just go and read how much roads were built by pmln uin 5 years vs PTI in 3.5 years despite covid.

You are playing with me, calling me as being angry. I think you know how I am treated on this Forum. But I apologize if you felt it that way.

Anyways you are constantly shifting your posts. The nutshell of our discussion was that there RLNG plants were the most impressive wok that Thieves had done to the country. They are rated among most efficient plants in the world. The energy taken out from the steam is maximum and they carry State of the art GE turbines which, (at this time) are only in France and US. These are the most lucrative machines for Investors.
Now you are talking about coal.
Personally, I have to agree with you that the Sahiwal coal was not a very wise idea. But you have to understand that after 18th Amendment power is now Province's own responsibility. Pakistan already running out of Sui Gas. The LNG was not available anymore as Punjab already occupied all of its import capacity. So what else is the cheaper option? --- just coal.

Thar Coal mine has not been developed yet to give full production. I don't have first-hand knowledge about the quality of thar coal, but I heard it has higher sulfur and Magnesium. The coal-run boiler needs highest maintenance. The flue gas externally erodes the boiler tubes. So the operators must keep the quality of coal in mind when they burn it. So maybe south African coal is better. I dont know.
But again it was not a very wise idea. I agree.

And please keep in mind that for the thermal sector, our biggest pressure is coming from Furnace oil plants.

 

[RajaRawal111]

you said and i should agree right. thats what your logic.

all i am saying is prove that cost per unit from these plants is cheaper than the average unit cost charged by govt. if its cheaper its profitable, if not its a burden

you have to do comparison by each year, when prices of fuel were cheap and also when prices of fuel were high.

you also have to see how much rate per unit charged by govt to consumers was inflated each year.

all those power plants are generating expensive energy and their per unit cost is more than the rate at which govt is charging and specially when the fuel prices gone up, they turned out to be a time bomb for economy. also look at the coal plants developed by pmln, importing coal from south africa and not using thar coal also having the plant in sahiwal where transportation cost from sea port to sahiwal was adding billions to the costs. if they have installed it near sea post areas, transportation costs would have been reduced significantly and there would have been lot less damage to roads because of loaded coal containers

deny any of the argument with facts please

dont turn out aan angry patwari as usual

regarding NHA. just go and read how much roads were built by pmln uin 5 years vs PTI in 3.5 years despite covid.

You may say that I ignored your cost of generation Vs cost of sale question. But I said it is furnace oil plants that are loosing. We are loosing at the overall thermal sector but not at the individual plants.
And I don't expect you to say that we have to shut them down because the fuel is getting expansive --- daaaa
We have to run them to meet our power needs.

 

[stranger]

You are playing with me, calling me as being angry. I think you know how I am treated on this Forum. But I apologize if you felt it that way.

Anyways you are constantly shifting your posts. The nutshell of our discussion was that there RLNG plants were the most impressive wok that Thieves had done to the country. They are rated among most efficient plants in the world. The energy taken out from the steam is maximum and they carry State of the art GE turbines which, (at this time) are only in France and US. These are the most lucrative machines for Investors.
Now you are talking about coal.
Personally, I have to agree with you that the Sahiwal coal was not a very wise idea. But you have to understand that after 18th Amendment power is now Province's own responsibility. Pakistan already running out of Sui Gas. The LNG was not available anymore as Punjab already occupied all of its import capacity. So what else is the cheaper option? --- just coal.

Thar Coal mine has not been developed yet to give full production. I don't have first-hand knowledge about the quality of thar coal, but I heard it has higher sulfur and Magnesium. The coal-run boiler needs highest maintenance. The flue gas externally erodes the boiler tubes. So the operators must keep the quality of coal in mind when they burn it. So maybe south African coal is better. I dont know.
But again it was not a very wise idea. I agree.

And please keep in mind that for the thermal sector, our biggest pressure is coming from Furnace oil plants.

ok lets make life simple.

ignore coal plants... ignore NHA for time being and just focus on the plants your are talking about.

i am not claiming they are not efficient, nor i am claiming they are useless. you started your arguement with the word "profitable" and generating money. most of the government sector projects does not qualify to this criteria. for example your institutions such as army, courts, policing, hospitals, educational institutions (excluding private sector where they aim for making profit from every business) are called public services and they are always a burden on govt, that is governments collect taxes to run those institutions

now when you say power generation plant is profitable, i am only trying to explain that it is not. what happens is there are power generation companies or we call them IPPs. they install their plants and sign agreements with govt to sell the produced electricity to govt on a certain market rate. now government buys from those IPPs at a higher rate, and sell them to consumer at a much lower rate (subsidized rate). all those IPPs are profitable because there production is sold under government guarantee and they are profitable, however its a loss for govt to buy expensive ane sell cheaper

now the plants you are talking about have same issue. cost per unit of electricity is far more and it is always subsidized by tax payer. plant is efficient does not mean its producing low cost energy, and specially after post pandemic era when fuel prices sky rocketed and the pkr usd rate is falling with exponential gravity. so despite increasing unit rate for consumer, the prices of those plants are still higher than the average unit cost chared to consumer and these IPPs are not responsible for any line losses.

pakistan stopped planning for dams just because they found it easier to buy fuel from arabs and specially when there are kickbacks so we lost almost 40 years in that era. post ayub khan till musharaf. no dams... and we are now paying the price... but thats not the topic of our argument

what is good about pmln. at least they installed plants, costly, yes but better than having no electricity.
the bad, the long term planning. for example agreeing to high charges with IPPs for longer terms. it should be only a short term solution but having them as long term solution is what destroyed the economy. Dar artificially kept $ low for the very same reason so that cost of energy generation will be kept in control but it destroyed the rest of the economy.

you dont need to agree but i just tried to explain your profitability myth. open to discuss NHA if you want