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Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
So now the Quran is propaganda. Bohat achay.
When you have no logical arguments left.
Next step, make some false accusations and tell some lies 😂
Same again n again, last time also you started the same thing, looks like you have an agenda and you intentionally don't want to learn , he is clearly talking out of context

you also know not Quran is a book of Signs not Science, it has scientific facts but not the whole science knowledge

I also remember someone asked you what is the punishment of rape in Quran and you didn't had the answer
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
aab tum logo ko jawab nahi aaya to yea suub lay aatay ho, i dont know tum dono aik ho ya 2 lolz ,

also Dr Zakir aik to molvi nahi hy tum log drty ho q ky Dr Zakir jy say loogo ko tum loog face hi nahi kr skty
Yeah sub moulvi dou numbri hain jab koi bhi Quran kay saath ahadith waghera ko milaay ga woh Allah kay sath shirk karta hay
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
Yeah sub moulvi dou numbri hain jab koi bhi Quran kay saath ahadith waghera ko milaay ga woh Allah kay sath shirk karta hay
Shirk ki definition pata bhee hy tum ko ya as usual khud hi definition bana li,
similar to qadyani you are also playing with words

yahan pr kon Quran ky Saath Hadith ko mila raha hy, hadith say explanation related help laytya hain, any hadith that goes against Quran is discarded

again aab tum bhe mara sawal oper daykh chukay ho aab us ka jawab dy nahi rahay topic ko divert kr rahay ho takay kisi or ko pata na chalay

ooh bhai like i said your propoganda is failed long ago bahtar hy dalil say baat kro topic pr raho

anyways its your choice
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Shirk ki definition pata bhee hy tum ko ya as usual khud hi definition bana li,
similar to qadyani you are also playing with words

yahan pr kon Quran ky Saath Hadith ko mila raha hy, hadith say explanation related help laytya hain, any hadith that goes against Quran is discarded

again aab tum bhe mara sawal oper daykh chukay ho aab us ka jawab dy nahi rahay topic ko divert kr rahay ho takay kisi or ko pata na chalay

ooh bhai like i said your propoganda is failed long ago bahtar hy dalil say baat kro topic pr raho

anyways its your choice
Jo koi bhi Quran kay saath ghair islami kitaboon ko maanta hay woh Allah kay saath shirk karta hay
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
rape ki punishment kia honi chayea ?
A Divine Book cannot claim to be 'tibiana lekulli shayin' (clear explanation / clarification of all things) 16:89 for deen, fussilat (explained and detail) 41:3; 11:1 and then be devoid of guidance for important matters. The Quran remains the ultimate scale (meezan 42:17) and all matters of religious import should be judged through it.

In my personal opinion, the grave matter of 'rape', a sexual assault violating the dignity of another soul would clearly fall under the Quranic concept of 'fasaad fil ard' (corruption in the land).

The Quranic shariah in the matter of 'fasaad fil-ard' is extremely serious.

Rape is not a personal consensual sin between two parties. This is a gruesome forced crime against the dignity of another human being and a crime against a righteous society that seeks to protect the innocent. To place rape in the same category as 'zina' so as to intimate the same punishment would be ludicrous.

Once we enter the realms of 'fasad 'fil ard', then upon appropriate proof, the punishments can vary, including death.

From the Quran's perspective, the right to take life is only allowable in two circumstances (5:32). This is a generic law (applicable to all) and has been cited in the context of the Children of Israel in the backdrop of the first murder ever committed.

  • For just retribution in the case of murder (for unintentional manslaughter, see 4:92)
  • For spreading sheer corruption in the land (fasaad fil ard) (5:33)

As rape is not consensual illicit sex, verses of Surah Nur (24:2-3) concerning adultery would arguably have limited applicability and one only of superficial comparison. The Quran does not stipulate a direct punishment for rape which further lends to the strong suggestion that this is a matter completely for those in governance to decide.

It is clear that any punishment for rape would be far more serious than that of consensual illicit sex and would demand a crucial assessment of proof, severity, implications and then appropriate retribution. To assert otherwise would amount to nothing but gross injustice.

If consensual illicit sexual liaisons attract 100 lashes (24:2), a false testimony 80 lashes (24:4), the hint of prostitution attracts indefinite house arrest (4:15) and the punishment for consensual homosexuality (4:16) is left completely to those in governance to decide based on circumstances and severity, one can only but imagine the seriousness with which rape would be dealt with.

After all, rape involves gross coercive sex, physical violence and a gross violation against the soul leaving an indelible mark on ones emotional state, possibly indefinitely.

Those in governance may deem it appropriate to introduce any number of lashings in addition to a severe financial recompense for the victim, or in more serious cases (serial rapist / child molestation), the death sentence for the perpetrator of the crime. It may even be deemed appropriate to implement a lengthy jail sentence as a deterrent followed by a period of long rehabilitation. Whatever the decision, it should be based on severity and a matter for the appropriate authorities.

Albeit 33:58 speaks about slander (and not rape), we note 33:60 to once again apply to transgressions against wider society which would arguably fall once again, within the ambit of fasad fil ard (corruption in the land). For this reason, in 33:61, we note the retribution to include death.

Fasad fil-ard (crime against society / corruption in the land) remains an extremely serious crime from the Quran's perspective.

Rape is one such crime, as it is not only coercively inflicted against the person but also against the society that has the responsibility to protect the innocent.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Shirk ki definition pata bhee hy tum ko ya as usual khud hi definition bana li,
similar to qadyani you are also playing with words

yahan pr kon Quran ky Saath Hadith ko mila raha hy, hadith say explanation related help laytya hain, any hadith that goes against Quran is discarded

again aab tum bhe mara sawal oper daykh chukay ho aab us ka jawab dy nahi rahay topic ko divert kr rahay ho takay kisi or ko pata na chalay

ooh bhai like i said your propoganda is failed long ago bahtar hy dalil say baat kro topic pr raho

anyways its your choice
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
A Divine Book cannot claim to be 'tibiana lekulli shayin' (clear explanation / clarification of all things) 16:89 for deen, fussilat (explained and detail) 41:3; 11:1 and then be devoid of guidance for important matters. The Quran remains the ultimate scale (meezan 42:17) and all matters of religious import should be judged through it.

In my personal opinion, the grave matter of 'rape', a sexual assault violating the dignity of another soul would clearly fall under the Quranic concept of 'fasaad fil ard' (corruption in the land).

The Quranic shariah in the matter of 'fasaad fil-ard' is extremely serious.

Rape is not a personal consensual sin between two parties. This is a gruesome forced crime against the dignity of another human being and a crime against a righteous society that seeks to protect the innocent. To place rape in the same category as 'zina' so as to intimate the same punishment would be ludicrous.

Once we enter the realms of 'fasad 'fil ard', then upon appropriate proof, the punishments can vary, including death.

From the Quran's perspective, the right to take life is only allowable in two circumstances (5:32). This is a generic law (applicable to all) and has been cited in the context of the Children of Israel in the backdrop of the first murder ever committed.

  • For just retribution in the case of murder (for unintentional manslaughter, see 4:92)
  • For spreading sheer corruption in the land (fasaad fil ard) (5:33)

As rape is not consensual illicit sex, verses of Surah Nur (24:2-3) concerning adultery would arguably have limited applicability and one only of superficial comparison. The Quran does not stipulate a direct punishment for rape which further lends to the strong suggestion that this is a matter completely for those in governance to decide.

It is clear that any punishment for rape would be far more serious than that of consensual illicit sex and would demand a crucial assessment of proof, severity, implications and then appropriate retribution. To assert otherwise would amount to nothing but gross injustice.

If consensual illicit sexual liaisons attract 100 lashes (24:2), a false testimony 80 lashes (24:4), the hint of prostitution attracts indefinite house arrest (4:15) and the punishment for consensual homosexuality (4:16) is left completely to those in governance to decide based on circumstances and severity, one can only but imagine the seriousness with which rape would be dealt with.

After all, rape involves gross coercive sex, physical violence and a gross violation against the soul leaving an indelible mark on ones emotional state, possibly indefinitely.

Those in governance may deem it appropriate to introduce any number of lashings in addition to a severe financial recompense for the victim, or in more serious cases (serial rapist / child molestation), the death sentence for the perpetrator of the crime. It may even be deemed appropriate to implement a lengthy jail sentence as a deterrent followed by a period of long rehabilitation. Whatever the decision, it should be based on severity and a matter for the appropriate authorities.

Albeit 33:58 speaks about slander (and not rape), we note 33:60 to once again apply to transgressions against wider society which would arguably fall once again, within the ambit of fasad fil ard (corruption in the land). For this reason, in 33:61, we note the retribution to include death.

Fasad fil-ard (crime against society / corruption in the land) remains an extremely serious crime from the Quran's perspective.

Rape is one such crime, as it is not only coercively inflicted against the person but also against the society that has the responsibility to protect the innocent.


"In my personal opinion, "

tumhara openion kisi ny poocha, Quran say batao, you said everytihing is mentioned you dont have to go to hadith

than you said the government to decide, so if the government decide just put him in jail dont kill him will that be ok with you, imagine if the victim is you or anyone of your family ?>\

there are so many issues in your explanation if i try refute you,

so i think now you should agree that we need some form of explanation and some kind of relation to express such case, if you just go by literal meaning you will not find a direct answer, you have to create an explanation correct or not?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
"In my personal opinion, "

tumhara openion kisi ny poocha, Quran say batao, you said everytihing is mentioned you dont have to go to hadith

than you said the government to decide, so if the government decide just put him in jail dont kill him will that be ok with you, imagine if the victim is you or anyone of your family ?>\

there are so many issues in your explanation if i try refute you,

so i think now you should agree that we need some form of explanation and some kind of relation to express such case, if you just go by literal meaning you will not find a direct answer, you have to create an explanation correct or not?
If you are adamant not to understand the logic of rape punishment then I suggest you stick to your fabricated Islam of Mullahs.
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
If you are adamant not to understand the logic of rape punishment then I suggest you stick to your fabricated Islam of Mullahs.
look whose talking,
you have not answered me, there is no direct mentioning of rape and all what you reply was either an opinion (can be called a hadith of your molvi or mullah) or a comparison

you think that your mulla can write their hadith but not the Sahabi or Rasool ALLAH S.A.W
your molvi can explain how ever they like but not the people right after Rasool ALLAH S.A.W

i have been saying this lakum dennukum wal ya deen
but you keep pocking your nose in my post and reply with disgusting posts

so now either you except the truth or lakum denukum wal ya deen
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
look whose talking,
you have not answered me, there is no direct mentioning of rape and all what you reply was either an opinion (can be called a hadith of your molvi or mullah) or a comparison

you think that your mulla can write their hadith but not the Sahabi or Rasool ALLAH S.A.W
your molvi can explain how ever they like but not the people right after Rasool ALLAH S.A.W

i have been saying this lakum dennukum wal ya deen
but you keep pocking your nose in my post and reply with disgusting posts

so now either you except the truth or lakum denukum wal ya deen
Listen to you with an IQ of below zero, if you think that we have to follow some Majoosi ahadith to understand the Quran, then I dare you to find me one verse in the Quran where Allah said to follow ahadith to understand the Quran.
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
Listen to you with an IQ of below zero, if you think that we have to follow some Majoosi ahadith to understand the Quran, then I dare you to find me one verse in the Quran where Allah said to follow ahadith to understand the Quran.

again the same game round n round n round n round , you failed to answer my 1st question and want to start another debate as usual the same you did many time earlier,

but people will understand.

@ low IQ #lookwhosetalking
 

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