22 Points to establish Islamic Shariah in Pakistan agreed upon by 31 top Ulama from all schools of t

[Muslimonly]

once we bring justice then only we can progress ...

Insaaf k liye PTI ka sath deen

Sorry brother u can answer ALLAH with us but i cant..


Justice can only come when Islamic rules are implemented else u cant..
When Prohet SAW came,he did not said that come,i shall improve ur ikhlaq,ur wealth ,or ur state..He SAW said "come to Islam...you will be tested with life,welath and children's sacrifice"

Allah did not said to Kufaar that say kalmah to get the justice

 

[Paki1]

Islam ko ghaleb kurney mein PTI ka sath deen

Brother Islam don't PTI blessings. As Islam is religeon of Allah, and Allah donot need any political party of person.
:alhamd:

 

[Islamabadi1]

Do you even know that there is no such thing as "shariah"....whenever you talk about shariah you leave it vague....you know why? because it is an imaginary concept...there is no book of shariah.....nobody has ever compiled a book of shariah...it is time you come out of you coccoon

 

[lafatah]

O yes..kia yeh sub hen???.aur in per amal kitna ho raha hay bhai?

i m not a constitutional expert but i think all of them are...the problem Is implemention...wahan pay yah alim kya framework pesh kartay hain

 

[lafatah]

Sorry brother u can answer ALLAH with us but i cant..


Justice can only come when Islamic rules are implemented else u cant..
When Prohet SAW came,he did not said that come,i shall improve ur ikhlaq,ur wealth ,or ur state..He SAW said "come to Islam...you will be tested with life,welath and children's sacrifice"

Allah did not said to Kufaar that say kalmah to get the justice

you are wrong...saying Kalma is also justice. Justice to Allah. You give your creator his due but call him your creator. Justice.

Justice is Islam, Islam is justice.

Before Islam came, anyone who did justice was actually practising Islam without even knowing it.

 

[Khalid]

please let me know how they managed to bring justice in Britain and other countries without implementing Islamic rules

Sorry brother u can answer ALLAH with us but i cant..


Justice can only come when Islamic rules are implemented else u cant..
When Prohet SAW came,he did not said that come,i shall improve ur ikhlaq,ur wealth ,or ur state..He SAW said "come to Islam...you will be tested with life,welath and children's sacrifice"

Allah did not said to Kufaar that say kalmah to get the justice

 

[Muslimonly]

you are wrong...saying Kalma is also justice. Justice to Allah. You give your creator his due but call him your creator. Justice.

Justice is Islam, Islam is justice.

Before Islam came, anyone who did justice was actually practising Islam without even knowing it.

Implementation in ki waja say nahe hoti jo kursion per bethey hain...Thats what Islamists are struggling for..to remove these persons from state to implement all these rules and Insha ALLAH that day when all these will be implemented in spirit is not far

Yes justice...and what do u call jahan ALLAH k ahkamat ki dhajiyan urai ja rahe hen???

Riba
(sood) based system made and promoted b y govt..what do u call it????do u know the warning of ALLAH only about it????there are many more but lets just take only this example

 

[engr.iffi]

:jazak:

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[Muslimonly]

please let me know how they managed to bring justice in Britain and other countries without implementing Islamic rules

Justice...really?????and u were sayong "I AM FUNDAMENTALIST" PLease explain wt type of fundamentalist u r

Here is just one example of justice

Which Criminal Code to implement..Islamic or Western?
Decide yourself

Here is comparison of crime rate between western model state USA and Saudia Arabia
(Although I dont consider KSA a fully Islamic state,but just compare Criminal law)
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I am posting this thread because a "wise" person here said that what KSA has achieved by implementing Islamic Penal code

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Saudi-Arabia/United-States/Crime
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Rape Statistics...Top coutries with number of Rape cases..Just see how many "LIBERAL" countries you see and how many Islamic countries you see

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes&date=2009

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[Muslimonly]

Now i will like u to comment about Afghan Taliban Govt..

how they brought justice in just 5 years while whole world was against them??

againt thats not my model..but that is one example in current period..if they had been gioven time,i believe they would have proved wolrd's best state in just few years

Our Model is Khilafat..i.e. the period of Prophet SAW in Madina and Khilafat e Rashida

 

[mustafvi]

Kindly highlight the progress of MMA's parliamentarians in last government.

 

[Alias]

Chap, it's your wishful thinking to have Shariah / Khilafah Here. The list of ulema's you have mentioned doesn't necessarily means followers of all sects are going to give a damn about these Ulemas. Funny thing is, one would find it Haram to offer namaz leaded by Deobandi, Barelvi, Shia, Ahle-Hadith. Before writing back flawed and weak arguments. I ask you to go and offer prayers behind a Shia Alim. What punishment will there be for those who accuse Sahabas.???

What Khilafah are you talking about, It's not the time of Sahab-e-Kiraam, Even at the time of Sahaba-e-Karaam, Khilafah Lasted for 30 Years or So. What do you expect yourself and us to be, More Sincere and Ardent Followers of Islam Than Them.

What Shariah Model do you propose, will it be based on Hanafi, Hanbali, Shaafi, Maliki, Jafri or Ahle-hadith.???

Western Society prevailed and flourish because they adopted the basic principles of Justice.

If comparison between the crime rate of KSA and USA is your barometer of justice. Than you Should stop using all the Western Inventions and technologies and start using Shariah Computer and Shariah Compliant Internet.

Moreover, question yourself. Could you put a Khadim of Harmain Shareefain in Court. Compared to the U.S. That's what you call justice that "Law applies to Poor".

Regarding Talibans, how could you defend their actions that, they couldn't tolerate people who doesn't belong to their sects.

The ONLY POSSIBLE UNIFICATION AND KHILAFAH COULD COME UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF IMAM MEHDI(R.A). BEFORE THAT, DON'T WASTE OUR & YOURS TIME IN STARTING THREADS LIKE THIS.

Now i will like u to comment about Afghan Taliban Govt..

how they brought justice in just 5 years while whole world was against them??

againt thats not my model..but that is one example in current period..if they had been gioven time,i believe they would have proved wolrd's best state in just few years

Our Model is Khilafat..i.e. the period of Prophet SAW in Madina and Khilafat e Rashida

 

[zaheerbabur]

اس ملک میں تم دیکھنا
اسلام غالب آے گا
انشاء اللہ

Sorry to say....Din main khawab dekhna chor do....be practical in this life...aur koi insaniat ka kam karo...yeh he true Islam hay...Deen-e-mullah fee sabeellilah fasad...molvi ko sirf har taraf halwa he kyon nazar ata hay kabhi us nay koi insaniat ka kam bhi kya hay??????????

 

[Sean jee]

@
(2) The Law of the country shall be based on Quran and Sunnah and neither any law shall be enacted nor any Administrative injunction shall be laid down that is repugnant to Quran and Sunnah.

But Which Sunnah, through which school of thought????? Maliki? Hanafi? Shafaei, Humbali or Jafari????

 

[AsifAmeer]

[MENTION=22657]lafatah[/MENTION] [MENTION=26151]AwaZ-e-HaQ[/MENTION] [MENTION=25124]Muslimonly[/MENTION] [MENTION=23203]Legend[/MENTION] [MENTION=21384]youngnights[/MENTION] [MENTION=8094]desicad[/MENTION]

Who over here actually tortured himself to read this?
Well lets jump right in.

1st of all, some of it almost looks plaguarized from the Declaration of Independence of the US Consitution and then proceeds to contradict itself. Take a look

(7) Citizens of the country shall enjoy all the rights laid down for them in Islamic Sharia. It means protection of life, property and dignity within the Law, freedom of religion and sect, freedom to worship, freedom of caste, freedom of expression, freedom to move, freedom to gather, freedom to earn livelihood, equal opportunity to progress and right to get benefits from social organizations.

(20) It shall be prohibited to preach or promote any of such thoughts and ideologies, which may be destructive to the basic principles of the Islamic state.

Huh? How about defining the "BASIC PRINCIPLES" in a Consitution?

Now lets look at what the STATE is responsible for

• obligation of Islamic state to establish the goods
• obligation of Islamic state to strengthen the unity and brotherhood among all the Muslims of the world
• State shall sponsor the basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, health and education

So basically State has to monopoly over everything. Economic incentives are all wacked up. But lets continue looking at other points.

Here's a blatant lie

Both the Muslim and non-Muslim citizens shall have equal civic rights as mentioned above in clause no. 7

Even I can quote ayah from Quran where a Non-Muslim doesnt have the same rights as Muslim. Here's a hint : Whats the verdict on a Muslim killing a Non-Muslim? And whats the verdict on a non-muslim killing a Muslim? Kam-az-kam banda sach to kahay. Buniyaan he jhoot par hai.

 

[AwaZ-e-HaQ]

[MENTION=22657]lafatah[/MENTION] [MENTION=26151]AwaZ-e-HaQ[/MENTION] [MENTION=25124]Muslimonly[/MENTION] [MENTION=23203]Legend[/MENTION] [MENTION=21384]youngnights[/MENTION] [MENTION=8094]desicad[/MENTION]

Who over here actually tortured himself to read this?
Well lets jump right in.

1st of all, some of it almost looks plaguarized from the Declaration of Independence of the US Consitution and then proceeds to contradict itself. Take a look




Huh? How about defining the "BASIC PRINCIPLES" in a Consitution?

Now lets look at what the STATE is responsible for

• obligation of Islamic state to establish the goods
• obligation of Islamic state to strengthen the unity and brotherhood among all the Muslims of the world
• State shall sponsor the basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, health and education

So basically State has to monopoly over everything. Economic incentives are all wacked up. But lets continue looking at other points.

Here's a blatant lie

Even I can quote ayah from Quran where a Non-Muslim doesnt have the same rights as Muslim. Here's a hint : Whats the verdict on a Muslim killing a Non-Muslim? And whats the verdict on a non-muslim killing a Muslim? Kam-az-kam banda sach to kahay. Buniyaan he jhoot par hai.

"basic principles of the Islamic state"

اگر آپ نے اسلامک ہسٹری کو تھوڑا سا بھی پڑھا ہوتا تو شائد یہ سوال نہ کرتے بوہت سے علماء نے مختلف ناموں سے اسکو بیان کیا ہے کسی نے اسکو اسلامی نظام مملکت کے اصول کسی نے اسلامی تصور حاکمیت کے اصول تو کسی نے اسکو اسلامی دستور کی بنیادیں کہا ہے یہ قرآن مجید ،سنت رسول اللہ ص اور خلافت راشدہ کے تعامل اور مجتہدین امت کے فیصلےجسکو اجماع امت بھی کہا جاتا ہے یہ ہیں
ضمنی طور پر ایک بات کہتا چلوں کہ اسلامی دستور اور انسانی دستور میں ایک بنیادی فرق یہ ہے انسانی قانون کیوں کہ انسانی ہوتا ہے اسلیے اپنی تفصیل کے لیے انسان کا مرہون منت ہوتا ہے لکن اسلامی قانون الہی قانون ہوتا ہے خود مفصل بھی ہوتا ہے لیکن اگر کہیں تفصیل درکار ہو تو سنت اسکی ضرورت کو پورا کرتی ہے
اپکا دوسرا اعتراض مونو پلی کا ہے یہ سراسر بوہتان ہے اشتراکیت سے بڑا مجرم کوئی نہیں تھا یہ الٹا اسلام پر حملہ ہونے کی کوشش ہے جسے کاؤنٹر اٹیک کہا جاتا ہے اسلام ھی وہ مذہب ہے جوزکوٰه کے نظام سے پیسے کو ایک جگہ رکنے نہیں دیتا اور معاشی برابری تشکیل دیتا ہے آپ اسلام کے معاشی نظام سے نابلد ہیں اور اپنی اس کام علمی کی بنا پر اسلام کے نظام پر انگلی اٹھاتے ہیں میں کل آپکو ایک کتاب رکمنڈ کروں گا وہ پڑھیے گا پھر سوال اٹھانا -
اب آپ کے آخری اعترض پر آتے ہیں سویک رائٹس ریاست متعین کرتی ہے اور اسلامی ریاست کے یہ رائٹس وہی ھوں گے جو اسلام دیتا ہے کچھ لازمی حقوق ہیں اور کچھ اختیاری ہیں اگر اپ کہیں تو وہ بھی میں بیان کر دوں
لازمی حقوق :
حفاظت جان
تحفظ عزت
شخصی معاملات کی آزادی
مذہبی مراسم کی آزادی
عبادت گاہوں کا تحفظ
فوجی خدمات سے استثنیٰ
اختیاری حقوق :
رئیس مملکت
مجلس شوریٰ کی رکنیت
آزادی تقریر و تحریر
تعلیم
جابز
کاروبار
جن سویک رائٹس کی یہاں بات ہوئی ہے وہ چونکہ ریاست متین کرتی ہے لہٰذا خود بخود اختیاری حقوق میں آ جاتے ہیں

 

[Muslimonly]

[MENTION=22657]lafatah[/MENTION] [MENTION=26151]AwaZ-e-HaQ[/MENTION] [MENTION=25124]Muslimonly[/MENTION] [MENTION=23203]Legend[/MENTION] [MENTION=21384]youngnights[/MENTION] [MENTION=8094]desicad[/MENTION]

Who over here actually tortured himself to read this?
Well lets jump right in.

1st of all, some of it almost looks plaguarized from the Declaration of Independence of the US Consitution and then proceeds to contradict itself. Take a look




Huh? How about defining the "BASIC PRINCIPLES" in a Consitution?

Now lets look at what the STATE is responsible for

• obligation of Islamic state to establish the goods
• obligation of Islamic state to strengthen the unity and brotherhood among all the Muslims of the world
• State shall sponsor the basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, health and education

So basically State has to monopoly over everything. Economic incentives are all wacked up. But lets continue looking at other points.

Here's a blatant lie

Even I can quote ayah from Quran where a Non-Muslim doesnt have the same rights as Muslim. Here's a hint : Whats the verdict on a Muslim killing a Non-Muslim? And whats the verdict on a non-muslim killing a Muslim? Kam-az-kam banda sach to kahay. Buniyaan he jhoot par hai.

Please post reference sfrom Quran where it says different punishment for muslims and non-muslims and other references too

 

[Muslimonly]

@
(2) The Law of the country shall be based on Quran and Sunnah and neither any law shall be enacted nor any Administrative injunction shall be laid down that is repugnant to Quran and Sunnah.

But Which Sunnah, through which school of thought????? Maliki? Hanafi? Shafaei, Humbali or Jafari????

agar ap ko pata ho tou koi bhi state Ahkamat(Civil or crimincal code) per chalti hay

Now tell me any school of though who says that

sood is hala?
chor ki saza hath katna nahe?
zakat ka nizam govt k pas nahe hona chahay?
zina ki saza 100 koray ya rajam nahe? (plz dont quote ghamdi)
give my any example of ahkamat where school of thoughts differ

 

[Khalid]

thanks for comparing Saudis with US
like I shared earlier : state cannot survive without justice … Saudia is a perfect example for that .. trust me in near future due to un justice Saudi govt will collapse …

In 2009, there were 4,500 complaints lodged by maids working in Saudi Arabia to Colombo's Foreign Employment Bureau. Most complaints were about a lack of communication, sexual harassment or no payment of wages, but some were much worse. Last week, a domestic worker who returned to central Sri Lanka from Jordan reported being forced to swallow at least six nails. Over the weekend, another woman who returned from Kuwait had 14 nails removed from her body at a hospital in the central Sri Lankan town of Kurunegala. These cases follow close on the heels of yet another gruesome story: in August, 50-year-old Lahanda Purage Ariyawathie, a grandmother of two, returned to Sri Lanka from Saudi Arabia five months after accepting a job as a maid. Her body was dotted with small, oozing wounds. Doctors later removed over 20 nails and needles that had been embedded in her body. Ariyawathie said that hot nails were embedded in her body by her Saudi employers who were dissatisfied with her work. Saudi authorities have rejected the claim.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2031351,00.html#ixzz1gzH91fdc

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Senator Abdul Razik Khan informed the committee the three Pakistani prisoners were in Saudi jail for the last several years. They were being charged for murder but the actual reason was some clashes with local Saudi people. They wanted to behead the innocent Pakistani workers. Initially, they sentenced for 12 years, then increased it to 14 years and now the Saudi Court handed them death sentence. These Pakistanis were severely tortured and according to Saudi rules, they might be beheaded. The relatives of these three prisoners already paid diyat to the victim’s family. After torturing, the Saudi police forced them to sign some legal papers, not giving them a chance to appeal.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\04\17\story_17-4-2011_pg7_2

Justice...really?????and u were sayong "I AM FUNDAMENTALIST" PLease explain wt type of fundamentalist u r

Here is just one example of justice

Which Criminal Code to implement..Islamic or Western?
Decide yourself

Here is comparison of crime rate between western model state USA and Saudia Arabia
(Although I dont consider KSA a fully Islamic state,but just compare Criminal law)
​

I am posting this thread because a "wise" person here said that what KSA has achieved by implementing Islamic Penal code

http

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Rape Statistics...Top coutries with number of Rape cases..Just see how many "LIBERAL" countries you see and how many Islamic countries you see

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes&date=2009

​

​

 

[Muslimonly]

thanks for comparing Saudis with US
like I shared earlier : state cannot survive without justice Saudia is a perfect example for that .. trust me in near future due to un justice Saudi govt will collapse

In 2009, there were 4,500 complaints lodged by maids working in Saudi Arabia to Colombo's Foreign Employment Bureau. Most complaints were about a lack of communication, sexual harassment or no payment of wages, but some were much worse. Last week, a domestic worker who returned to central Sri Lanka from Jordan reported being forced to swallow at least six nails. Over the weekend, another woman who returned from Kuwait had 14 nails removed from her body at a hospital in the central Sri Lankan town of Kurunegala. These cases follow close on the heels of yet another gruesome story: in August, 50-year-old Lahanda Purage Ariyawathie, a grandmother of two, returned to Sri Lanka from Saudi Arabia five months after accepting a job as a maid. Her body was dotted with small, oozing wounds. Doctors later removed over 20 nails and needles that had been embedded in her body. Ariyawathie said that hot nails were embedded in her body by her Saudi employers who were dissatisfied with her work. Saudi authorities have rejected the claim.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2031351,00.html#ixzz1gzH91fdc

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Senator Abdul Razik Khan informed the committee the three Pakistani prisoners were in Saudi jail for the last several years. They were being charged for murder but the actual reason was some clashes with local Saudi people. They wanted to behead the innocent Pakistani workers. Initially, they sentenced for 12 years, then increased it to 14 years and now the Saudi Court handed them death sentence. These Pakistanis were severely tortured and according to Saudi rules, they might be beheaded. The relatives of these three prisoners already paid diyat to the victims family. After torturing, the Saudi police forced them to sign some legal papers, not giving them a chance to appeal.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\04\17\story_17-4-2011_pg7_2


[/CENTER]

Vow..what a analysis???? i am giving u international figures....

learn to see things in collective term....i have written KSA is not role model because they are still not fully Islamic state...i gave u comparison because u quoted britian and other countries..compare with them