A 15-Point Challenge to Quran-Only Muslims

[Citizen X]

The best proof for Pervaizi ideology is:

Hackel and jackels all dead family members are still rotting in their houses devoid of last rites.

It's ok you can insult my deceased ( somewhat recently ) mother and father (most people on the forum know about it ) if it makes you happy and a better man.

 

[عؔلی خان]

Citizen X ,

You're not fooling anyone.

You were asked to answer 15 simple questions using only the Qur’an, without appealing to the very history, hadith, and companions you reject. You couldn’t do it — and now, instead of honest answers, you're resorting to sarcasm, strawmen, and smug arrogance.

Let’s be clear:

• Mockery is not a response.
• Deflection is not evidence.
• Arrogance is not intellect.

If you're so confident in your answers, then list the exact 15 responses you claim fulfilled the conditions — one by one — and show that you followed the rule:

Qur’an only. No history. No hadith. No sahabah.

Until then, these posts of yours — full of emojis, taunts, and empty boasts — are your loudest admission that your method has collapsed.

This is not “emotional ranting.” This is a demand for consistency.

So either:

Post the answers — with source, verse, and logical consistency using the Qur’an only.

Or stop pretending you’ve won anything but a round of applause from your own reflection.

 

[Citizen X]

Citizen X ,

You're not fooling anyone.

You were asked to answer 15 simple questions using only the Qur’an, without appealing to the very history, hadith, and companions you reject. You couldn’t do it — and now, instead of honest answers, you're resorting to sarcasm, strawmen, and smug arrogance.

Let’s be clear:

• Mockery is not a response.
• Deflection is not evidence.
• Arrogance is not intellect.

If you're so confident in your answers, then list the exact 15 responses you claim fulfilled the conditions — one by one — and show that you followed the rule:

Qur’an only. No history. No hadith. No sahabah.

Until then, these posts of yours — full of emojis, taunts, and empty boasts — are your loudest admission that your method has collapsed.

This is not “emotional ranting.” This is a demand for consistency.

So either:

Post the answers — with source, verse, and logical consistency using the Qur’an only.

Or stop pretending you’ve won anything but a round of applause from your own reflection.

Like I said "If you think my answers didn't stick to your conditions please point out which ones and how?"

 

[Citizen X]

Citizen X ,

You're not fooling anyone.

You were asked to answer 15 simple questions using only the Qur’an, without appealing to the very history, hadith, and companions you reject. You couldn’t do it — and now, instead of honest answers, you're resorting to sarcasm, strawmen, and smug arrogance.

Let’s be clear:

• Mockery is not a response.
• Deflection is not evidence.
• Arrogance is not intellect.

If you're so confident in your answers, then list the exact 15 responses you claim fulfilled the conditions — one by one — and show that you followed the rule:

Qur’an only. No history. No hadith. No sahabah.

Until then, these posts of yours — full of emojis, taunts, and empty boasts — are your loudest admission that your method has collapsed.

This is not “emotional ranting.” This is a demand for consistency.

So either:

Post the answers — with source, verse, and logical consistency using the Qur’an only.

Or stop pretending you’ve won anything but a round of applause from your own reflection.

Like I said "If you think my answers didn't stick to your conditions please point out which ones and how?"

 

[observer-x]

It's ok you can insult my deceased ( somewhat recently ) mother and father (most people on the forum know about it ) if it makes you happy and a better man.

You asked for it by denying all the Islamic rituals over and over again. I want to believe they were practicing muslims not a Pervaizi.

Did you do their last rites? If yes then how? Come out clean so that people can see where you stand.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Citizen X ,

You're not fooling anyone.

You were asked to answer 15 simple questions using only the Qur’an, without appealing to the very history, hadith, and companions you reject. You couldn’t do it — and now, instead of honest answers, you're resorting to sarcasm, strawmen, and smug arrogance.

Let’s be clear:

• Mockery is not a response.
• Deflection is not evidence.
• Arrogance is not intellect.

If you're so confident in your answers, then list the exact 15 responses you claim fulfilled the conditions — one by one — and show that you followed the rule:

Qur’an only. No history. No hadith. No sahabah.

Until then, these posts of yours — full of emojis, taunts, and empty boasts — are your loudest admission that your method has collapsed.

This is not “emotional ranting.” This is a demand for consistency.

So either:

Post the answers — with source, verse, and logical consistency using the Qur’an only.

Or stop pretending you’ve won anything but a round of applause from your own reflection.

By the way, do we need to profess that "There is no Deity but Allah and Mohammad is the messenger of Allah" to become a Muslim?
Is this declaration in the Quran or ahadith?

 

[observer-x]

By the way, do we need to profess that "There is no Deity but Allah and Mohammad is the messenger of Allah" to become a Muslim?
Is this declaration in the Quran or ahadith?

Its not in Quran to bury your dead parents the known Islamic way either. Do you still have your parents' rotten dead bodies in the house?

 

[عؔلی خان]

Citizen X ,​

The challenge is to answer 15 critical questions strictly using the Qur’an alone—without resorting to Hadith, historical sources, or the authority of Sahabah.

You asked,

"If you think my answers didn't stick to your conditions please point out which ones and how?"

Below is a question-by-question review of your answers:

#	Question	Pass/Fail	How (Explanation)
1	Who preserved the Qur’an after the death of the Prophet (PBUH)? Name one person using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No names provided from Qur'an; generalized statements used.
2	Name anyone who had the Qur’an 1–5 years after Prophet's death, using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No specific names provided from Qur'an; deflection.
3	How do you know Qur’an was not tampered with?	Fail	Circular reasoning ("Allah preserved it") used without Qur'anic proof against tampering post-Prophet.
4	Who compiled the Qur’an into a single mushaf?	Fail	Compilation process not addressed using Qur'an; outside claims made.
5	How was the Qur’an preserved before paper and printing?	Fail	No evidence from Qur'an about preservation methods or memorizers.
6	How to verify Qur’an verses without isnad (chain)?	Fail	No method given from Qur'an; general trust statements used.
7	Can you show, using Qur’an alone, how many chapters it has?	Fail	No count or structure provided from Qur'an itself.
8	Where in Qur’an is the sequence of Surahs mandated?	Fail	No Qur'anic reference provided for Surah order.
9	How can you disprove that verses or Surahs were removed?	Fail	No Qur'an-only evidence against removal; reliance on faith claims.
10	How do you know enemies did not tamper after Prophet's death?	Fail	No Qur'anic proof given; only general denial.
11	Why no names of preservers mentioned in Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based names or proof provided.
12	Do you accept Abu Bakr ordering compilation? If yes, using history. If no, explain Qur'an existence.	Fail	No Qur'an-only explanation offered; reliance on external logic.
13	Can you point to a verse saying Prophet only "delivered" but did not "explain"?	Fail	No answer provided at all. Skipped.
14	Why do Quranists disagree on prayer, fasting, zakat if Qur’an is "clear"?	Fail	No Qur'anic methodology or detailed practice shown.
15	If rejecting Hadith and history, how do you know you are holding original Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based verification provided; only assumption of preservation.

Result:

• Total Questions: 15
• Passed: 0/15
• Failed: 15/15
• Not Answered at All: Question 13

For each question, you either:

(a). evaded,
(b). appealed to general faith assumptions,
(c) used external logic or historical references which Quranists claim to reject, or
(d) ignored the question entirely.

You did not strictly adhere to the core condition: Qur'an alone, without Hadith, without history, and without reference to Sahabah.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Citizen X ,​

The challenge is to answer 15 critical questions strictly using the Qur’an alone—without resorting to Hadith, historical sources, or the authority of Sahabah.

You asked,



Below is a question-by-question review of your answers:

#	Question	Pass/Fail	How (Explanation)
1	Who preserved the Qur’an after the death of the Prophet (PBUH)? Name one person using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No names provided from Qur'an; generalized statements used.
2	Name anyone who had the Qur’an 1–5 years after Prophet's death, using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No specific names provided from Qur'an; deflection.
3	How do you know Qur’an was not tampered with?	Fail	Circular reasoning ("Allah preserved it") used without Qur'anic proof against tampering post-Prophet.
4	Who compiled the Qur’an into a single mushaf?	Fail	Compilation process not addressed using Qur'an; outside claims made.
5	How was the Qur’an preserved before paper and printing?	Fail	No evidence from Qur'an about preservation methods or memorizers.
6	How to verify Qur’an verses without isnad (chain)?	Fail	No method given from Qur'an; general trust statements used.
7	Can you show, using Qur’an alone, how many chapters it has?	Fail	No count or structure provided from Qur'an itself.
8	Where in Qur’an is the sequence of Surahs mandated?	Fail	No Qur'anic reference provided for Surah order.
9	How can you disprove that verses or Surahs were removed?	Fail	No Qur'an-only evidence against removal; reliance on faith claims.
10	How do you know enemies did not tamper after Prophet's death?	Fail	No Qur'anic proof given; only general denial.
11	Why no names of preservers mentioned in Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based names or proof provided.
12	Do you accept Abu Bakr ordering compilation? If yes, using history. If no, explain Qur'an existence.	Fail	No Qur'an-only explanation offered; reliance on external logic.
13	Can you point to a verse saying Prophet only "delivered" but did not "explain"?	Fail	No answer provided at all. Skipped.
14	Why do Quranists disagree on prayer, fasting, zakat if Qur’an is "clear"?	Fail	No Qur'anic methodology or detailed practice shown.
15	If rejecting Hadith and history, how do you know you are holding original Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based verification provided; only assumption of preservation.

Result:

• Total Questions: 15
• Passed: 0/15
• Failed: 15/15
• Not Answered at All: Question 13

For each question, you either:

(a). evaded,
(b). appealed to general faith assumptions,
(c) used external logic or historical references which Quranists claim to reject, or
(d) ignored the question entirely.

You did not strictly adhere to the core condition: Qur'an alone, without Hadith, without history, and without reference to Sahabah.

I began to doubt whether you are even a Muslim.
In reality, you are denying the authenticity and preservation of the Quran.
This is the result of a person who has no clue about the Quran, and yet wants to argue in vain.
The Quran is textually preserved and divinely protected.

 

[عؔلی خان]

Wake up Pak ,

You said,

“I began to doubt whether you are even a Muslim.”

Let’s correct your confusion.

You’re defending a fringe cult that:

• Rejects the Prophet’s explanations (16:44)
• Dismisses the Ummah’s consensus (4:115)
• Ignores the Qur’an’s command to obey the Messenger (4:59, 59:7)
• Treats the entire legacy of the Sahabah as irrelevant
• And claims to follow only the Qur’an — while relying on YouTube, memes, and sarcastic forum posts to fill in everything the Qur’an doesn’t spell out.

And you have the audacity to question my Islam?

Let’s be very clear:

Islam is not “Qur’an-only.”
It is Qur’an + Sunnah. That is the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) — who was sent not just to deliver the Qur’an, but to explain, judge, purify, lead, command, and live it.

Quranism is the cult.
It’s a fringe, modernist offshoot with no ijmāʿ, no sanad, no scholars, no schools, and no link to 1,400 years of Islamic tradition. You know what a cult is? A group that cuts itself off from historical continuity, invents its own interpretation, and treats everyone else as blind.

That’s exactly what you people do.

You called mainstream Muslims a cult — yet your entire movement doesn’t make up 0.01% of the Ummah. It has no masjid, no scholars, no ijmāʿ — just forums and fury.

So let me remind you why this 15-question challenge exists:

To expose the fact that Quranists cannot answer the most basic historical or textual questions without contradicting their own method.

And that’s exactly what happened.

Result:

• 15 Questions
• 0 Satisfactory Answers
• 1 Question Ignored Entirely (Q13)

Your team lost. Miserably. Not because of insults or bias — but because you could not meet the one condition: Qur’an only.

 

[Wake up Pak]

You’re defending a fringe cult that:

• Rejects the Prophet’s explanations (16:44)
• Dismisses the Ummah’s consensus (4:115)
• Ignores the Qur’an’s command to obey the Messenger (4:59, 59:7)
• Treats the entire legacy of the Sahabah as irrelevant
• And claims to follow only the Qur’an — while relying on YouTube, memes, and sarcastic forum posts to fill in everything the Qur’an doesn’t spell out.

Defending the Quran means a fringe cult? People who are contaminating the Quran with man-made books like Ahadith & Sunnah are the real cult.
All the above questions were answered several times.
You are certainly not a Muslim, you are only here to misguide and mislead innocent people.
Show me a single verse from the Quran where it says to follow the ahadith of the Messenger?
Why doesn't it get through your thick skull that the Quran has mentioned in several verses that it is complete and detailed, and Mohammad's job was to deliver the Quran, nothing more and nothing less.
Anti-Quranic cult like yourself should be ashamed of yourself.
The Quran is textually preserved and divinely protected.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Wake up Pak ,

You said,



Let’s correct your confusion.

You’re defending a fringe cult that:

• Rejects the Prophet’s explanations (16:44)
• Dismisses the Ummah’s consensus (4:115)
• Ignores the Qur’an’s command to obey the Messenger (4:59, 59:7)
• Treats the entire legacy of the Sahabah as irrelevant
• And claims to follow only the Qur’an — while relying on YouTube, memes, and sarcastic forum posts to fill in everything the Qur’an doesn’t spell out.

And you have the audacity to question my Islam?

Let’s be very clear:

Islam is not “Qur’an-only.”
It is Qur’an + Sunnah. That is the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) — who was sent not just to deliver the Qur’an, but to explain, judge, purify, lead, command, and live it.

Quranism is the cult.
It’s a fringe, modernist offshoot with no ijmāʿ, no sanad, no scholars, no schools, and no link to 1,400 years of Islamic tradition. You know what a cult is? A group that cuts itself off from historical continuity, invents its own interpretation, and treats everyone else as blind.

That’s exactly what you people do.

You called mainstream Muslims a cult — yet your entire movement doesn’t make up 0.01% of the Ummah. It has no masjid, no scholars, no ijmāʿ — just forums and fury.

So let me remind you why this 15-question challenge exists:

To expose the fact that Quranists cannot answer the most basic historical or textual questions without contradicting their own method.

And that’s exactly what happened.

Result:

• 15 Questions
• 0 Satisfactory Answers
• 1 Question Ignored Entirely (Q13)

Your team lost. Miserably. Not because of insults or bias — but because you could not meet the one condition: Qur’an only.

Anti-Quranic cult follower, here is something for you to read.
You have revealed your deceitful scheme to mislead the public.
Forwarding as recieved
The advocates of hadith are fond of saying that the hadith explains the Quran, without which, they say, the Quran cannot be understood. In other words, without hadith, they will have to reject the Quran or at least ignore it. The scholars also say that the hadith they call "Sahih Bukhari" is the best hadith.
The explanation of the Quran by Imam Bukhari. Although the Quran has 114 surahs or chapters, Bukhari does not explain all the verses in all the surahs. Sura 2, Al Baqarah has 286 verses, but Bukhari only provides hadith for about 50 verses. This is slightly over 20% of Al Baqarah. Bukhari has left the Ulamma groping in the dark over the remaining 80%.
Sura AL Kauther (Sura 108) is the shortest surah in the Quran, with only 3 verses. However, Bukhari "attempts" to explain the meaning of just one word, "Kauther," as sufficient to explain this whole Sura. Bukhari says, "Kauther" is a river in heaven.

 

[عؔلی خان]

Let’s put an end to the word games and intellectual evasion.

“Show me a single verse from the Qur’an where it says to follow the ahadith of the Messenger.”

You’re not asking a real question. You’re trying to bait a circular argument — one that’s already been thoroughly exposed and systematically dismantled.

Here’s the reality:

The Qur’an doesn’t use the term “hadith of the Messenger” — because it doesn’t need to. It says something much stronger and broader:

• “Obey the Messenger” (4:59)
• “Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah” (4:80)
• “Take whatever the Messenger gives you” (59:7)
• “He does not speak from desire — it is nothing but revelation sent down” (53:3–4)
• “We sent the Reminder to you [O Prophet], so that you may explain to the people what was revealed to them” (16:44)

You don’t need a verse saying “follow hadith” — because the Qur’an commands obedience to the Messenger, not just the Book he delivered.

Your demand is like asking:

“Show me a verse that says: ‘Perform wudu using Colgate-brand toothpaste while facing north with a sink installed by Abu Bakr.’”

It’s juvenile. It’s unserious. And frankly, it’s exhausted.

What you’re really doing is rejecting the Messenger’s role — then pretending you’re still “defending the Qur’an.”

But you can’t have the Qur’an without the Messenger who:

• Received it,
• Explained it,
• Implemented it,
• Taught it,
• Lived it.

To deny that is to deny how the Qur’an was actually transmitted and preserved.

You claim to be “defending the Qur’an” — but the Qur’an already said Allah will defend it (15:9). It doesn’t need self-appointed YouTube missionaries with no isnād, no ijmāʿ, no fiqh, and no understanding of transmission.

This isn’t about defending “man-made books.”

It’s about preserving the lived reality of Islam — the deen brought, practiced, and passed down by the Messenger (PBUH), not reinvented in anonymous forums 1,400 years later.

You’ve lost the argument, and you know it.

Enough is enough.

Answer the 15 questions using Qur’an alone, as required — or stop pretending that your fringe cult speaks for the ummah of Muhammad (PBUH).

 

[عؔلی خان]

Anti-Quranic cult follower, here is something for you to read.
You have revealed your deceitful scheme to mislead the public.
Forwarding as recieved
The advocates of hadith are fond of saying that the hadith explains the Quran, without which, they say, the Quran cannot be understood. In other words, without hadith, they will have to reject the Quran or at least ignore it. The scholars also say that the hadith they call "Sahih Bukhari" is the best hadith.
The explanation of the Quran by Imam Bukhari. Although the Quran has 114 surahs or chapters, Bukhari does not explain all the verses in all the surahs. Sura 2, Al Baqarah has 286 verses, but Bukhari only provides hadith for about 50 verses. This is slightly over 20% of Al Baqarah. Bukhari has left the Ulamma groping in the dark over the remaining 80%.
Sura AL Kauther (Sura 108) is the shortest surah in the Quran, with only 3 verses. However, Bukhari "attempts" to explain the meaning of just one word, "Kauther," as sufficient to explain this whole Sura. Bukhari says, "Kauther" is a river in heaven.

Once again, you’ve completely missed the point — or maybe you're deliberately dodging it.

This challenge wasn’t about whether Bukhari explains every verse.

It was about whether you — a Quranist — can explain anything about the Qur’an’s preservation, structure, or transmission using only the Qur’an, without leaning on the very history you reject.

And you couldn’t.

Now you're ranting about Bukhari not commenting on every verse? That’s not a problem — it’s called scope of narration, not a failure. Bukhari never claimed to be a tafsir. He wasn’t writing a verse-by-verse exegesis. He compiled authentic reports — with isnād — something you’ve yet to provide even once.

So let's be clear:

• The Qur’an is not a dictionary. It doesn't define every word. That’s why tafsir exists.
• The Qur’an is not a prayer manual. It commands prayer but never describes how. That’s why the Sunnah exists.
• The Qur’an is not a history book. It refers to events, but assumes background knowledge. That’s why sīrah and hadith literature exist.

You act as if Hadith scholars claimed to replace or override the Qur’an. They didn’t. They documented how it was lived — through the Prophet (PBUH).

Your argument is equivalent to saying:

“Bukhari didn’t explain 100% of the Qur’an, so we don’t need him at all.”

That’s like saying:

“My math teacher didn’t solve every math problem in the world, so math teaching is invalid.”

It’s a straw man, and you know it.

You’ve now defaulted to posting copied rants from anonymous sources — while refusing to answer 15 basic questions using Qur’an alone.

That’s your real legacy here.

No answers. Just memes, mockery, and forwarded blog posts.

You're not defending the Qur’an — you're dismantling the tools required to understand it, live it, and preserve it.

So here’s your next challenge:

• Answer the 15 Qur’an-only questions,
• Or stop pretending you’ve exposed anything.

The only thing that’s been exposed is Quranism’s collapse when confronted with basic scrutiny.

 

[Wake up Pak]

So here’s your next challenge:

• Answer the 15 Qur’an-only questions,
• Or stop pretending you’ve exposed anything.

The only thing that’s been exposed is Quranism’s collapse when confronted with basic scrutiny.

So here is your challenge: read the Quran and tell me if it is not preserved or if you find contradictions in it.
Quit using ChatGPT to come up with weird questions and logic.
Be yourself, and we will see how much knowledge about the Quran you possess, since you keep on denying the Quranic verses.
Forget about everything, since you are an ardent follower of Ahadith, show me a complete method of Namaz that you perform daily.
Do you even understand what you are reading in the Namaz?

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word

The Quran = 100% fact/truth/Perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)

The Quran = was recorded under the DIRECT supervision of the Prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of Prophet Muhammad

The Quran = written AND memorized word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no one ever claimed to record and memorize ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted

The Quran = is protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated

The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = Each sect has its versions, weak & strong ones, etc

The Quran = an in-built verification mechanism, e.g., challenges others to find an inconsistency, brings a chapter like it, etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistencies, etc.

 

[عؔلی خان]

So here is your challenge: read the Quran and tell me if it is not preserved or if you find contradictions in it.
Quit using ChatGPT to come up with weird questions and logic.
Be yourself, and we will see how much knowledge about the Quran you possess, since you keep on denying the Quranic verses.
Forget about everything, since you are an ardent follower of Ahadith, show me a complete method of Namaz that you perform daily.
Do you even understand what you are reading in the Namaz?

Nice try, but no. It doesn’t work like that.

You were given a clear 15-question challenge with a single condition:

Use only the Qur’an — no Hadith, no history, no Sahabah.

You failed. Miserably.

Now you’re trying to flip the conversation, shift the burden, and run away by saying:

“Show me your prayer method!”
“Stop using ChatGPT!”
“Show contradictions in the Qur’an!”

That’s not how this works.

You accepted the challenge. You failed the challenge.
You don’t get to demand anything until you first fulfill what was asked of you.


If you think ChatGPT is so great at exposing flaws, then by all means — use ChatGPT to answer the same 15 questions. I welcome it. Let’s see how your "Qur’an alone" logic stands up.

Also, let’s be clear about your other lazy deflections:

• I am not denying the Qur’an. I am denying your twisting of it.
• I am not hiding behind Hadith. You’re hiding from the Sunnah.
• And yes, I understand every word I say in prayer — because Alhumdulillah, I am a Muslim and my parents taught me those meanings. Yours doesn’t.

Until you can explain:

• Who preserved your Qur’an,
• How its recitation, structure, and contents were standardized,
• And who transmitted it to you...

...without using history, Hadith, or the very people you mock,
you have no ground to stand on.

So stop running.
Answer the challenge.
Or concede defeat.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Nice try, but no. It doesn’t work like that.

You were given a clear 15-question challenge with a single condition:

Use only the Qur’an — no Hadith, no history, no Sahabah.

You failed. Miserably.

Now you’re trying to flip the conversation, shift the burden, and run away by saying:



That’s not how this works.

You accepted the challenge. You failed the challenge.
You don’t get to demand anything until you first fulfill what was asked of you.


If you think ChatGPT is so great at exposing flaws, then by all means — use ChatGPT to answer the same 15 questions. I welcome it. Let’s see how your "Qur’an alone" logic stands up.

Also, let’s be clear about your other lazy deflections:

• I am not denying the Qur’an. We’re denying your twisting of it.
• I am not hiding behind Hadith. You’re hiding from the Sunnah.
• And yes, I understand every word we say in prayer — because Alhumdulillah, I am a Muslim and my parents taught me those meanings. Yours doesn’t.

Until you can explain:

• Who preserved your Qur’an,
• How its recitation, structure, and contents were standardized,
• And who transmitted it to you...

...without using history, Hadith, or the very people you mock,
you have no ground to stand on.

So stop running.
Answer the challenge.
Or concede defeat.

I knew it, as soon as I asked you about the Quran, you won't be able to defend yourself. Anti-Quranic cult is allergic to the Qur'an.
As for the Namaz question, as usual, no one could ever come up with the details but yet, like a blind follower that you are, you keep on practicing the same thing over and over again without comprehending a simple word in it.
So stop running.
Answer the challenge.
Or concede defeat.

Quran's challenge:

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:23)
"And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a surah like it, and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful."

Surah Yunus (10:38)
"Or do they say, 'He has invented it'? Say, 'Then produce a single surah like it, and call upon whoever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.'"
Surah Hud (11:13)
"Or do they say, 'He has forged it'? Say, 'Then bring ten forged surahs like it, and call upon whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.'"
Surah Al-Isra (17:88)
"Say, 'If mankind and the jinn gathered together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like of it, even if they helped one another.'"

Surah At-Tur (52:33-34)
"Or do they say, 'He has invented it'? Rather, they do not believe. Then let them produce a statement like it, if they should be truthful."
Throughout history, many critics (including poets and scholars of Arabic) have attempted to imitate the Quran’s style, but none have produced a text that matches its eloquence, structure, and impact. Even early Arab linguists who opposed Islam acknowledged its uniqueness.

 

[عؔلی خان]

Wake up Pak ,
You keep dodging the 15-point Qur’an-only challenge because you know exactly what happens the moment you confront it honestly: Quranism collapses.

Now you’re throwing out verses about the miraculous nature of the Qur’an — thinking that somehow deflects from your total inability to answer a single historical question using the Qur’an alone.

Let’s clarify what’s happening here:

You Misunderstand the Word Cult

A cult is defined as:
“A small group of people, typically with unorthodox beliefs, who reject established authority and claim exclusive truth while isolating themselves from the broader community.”

• Quranism = cult: <0.01% of Muslims, reject ijmaʿ, Hadith, Sunnah, scholars, and the Ummah.
• Mainstream Islam ≠ cult: 1.6 billion followers, 1400 years of scholarship, transmission, and unity of creed and practice.

So yes — Quranism fits every textbook definition of a fringe cult. You even call the rest of the Ummah “blind sheep.” That’s cult behavior.

You Misuse the Qur’an’s Literary Challenge​

Surah 2:23 and others challenge mankind to imitate the Qur’an’s divine eloquence, not answer historical preservation questions using only the Qur’an. That’s a category error on your part.

This challenge is not a replacement for actual methodology.
I am not doubting the Qur’an.
I am doubting your broken filter for interpreting it.

You Keep Running From the 15 Questions​

You’ve still not done what was asked:

Answer 15 questions using only the Qur’an — no Hadith, no history, no Sahabah.

And now you want to debate prayer methods and Arabic comprehension?

Here’s your problem:

You can’t even prove the Qur’an you hold is the original,
can’t name a single person who preserved it,
and can’t verify its structure — without the same scholars you love to insult.

You depend on the legacy of those you reject.
That’s intellectual hypocrisy.

As for Prayer (Salat):​

If you’re so confident, show me:

• How many rakʿahs are in each prayer?
• What to recite and when?
• Who taught you how to pray?
  Give exact verses — no guesswork, no memes, no Google.

But again — first answer the 15 questions. That was the original challenge.
I am not playing on your shifting terms.

Until you do that, you’re just performing online gymnastics trying to protect a methodology that’s already self-detonated.

So stop preaching.
Stop deflecting.
Answer. The. Challenge.
Or concede — and move aside.

 

[Citizen X]

Citizen X ,​

The challenge is to answer 15 critical questions strictly using the Qur’an alone—without resorting to Hadith, historical sources, or the authority of Sahabah.

You asked,



Below is a question-by-question review of your answers:

#	Question	Pass/Fail	How (Explanation)
1	Who preserved the Qur’an after the death of the Prophet (PBUH)? Name one person using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No names provided from Qur'an; generalized statements used.
2	Name anyone who had the Qur’an 1–5 years after Prophet's death, using Qur'an alone.	Fail	No specific names provided from Qur'an; deflection.
3	How do you know Qur’an was not tampered with?	Fail	Circular reasoning ("Allah preserved it") used without Qur'anic proof against tampering post-Prophet.
4	Who compiled the Qur’an into a single mushaf?	Fail	Compilation process not addressed using Qur'an; outside claims made.
5	How was the Qur’an preserved before paper and printing?	Fail	No evidence from Qur'an about preservation methods or memorizers.
6	How to verify Qur’an verses without isnad (chain)?	Fail	No method given from Qur'an; general trust statements used.
7	Can you show, using Qur’an alone, how many chapters it has?	Fail	No count or structure provided from Qur'an itself.
8	Where in Qur’an is the sequence of Surahs mandated?	Fail	No Qur'anic reference provided for Surah order.
9	How can you disprove that verses or Surahs were removed?	Fail	No Qur'an-only evidence against removal; reliance on faith claims.
10	How do you know enemies did not tamper after Prophet's death?	Fail	No Qur'anic proof given; only general denial.
11	Why no names of preservers mentioned in Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based names or proof provided.
12	Do you accept Abu Bakr ordering compilation? If yes, using history. If no, explain Qur'an existence.	Fail	No Qur'an-only explanation offered; reliance on external logic.
13	Can you point to a verse saying Prophet only "delivered" but did not "explain"?	Fail	No answer provided at all. Skipped.
14	Why do Quranists disagree on prayer, fasting, zakat if Qur’an is "clear"?	Fail	No Qur'anic methodology or detailed practice shown.
15	If rejecting Hadith and history, how do you know you are holding original Qur’an?	Fail	No Qur'an-based verification provided; only assumption of preservation.

Result:

• Total Questions: 15
• Passed: 0/15
• Failed: 15/15
• Not Answered at All: Question 13

For each question, you either:

(a). evaded,
(b). appealed to general faith assumptions,
(c) used external logic or historical references which Quranists claim to reject, or
(d) ignored the question entirely.

You did not strictly adhere to the core condition: Qur'an alone, without Hadith, without history, and without reference to Sahabah.

Sorry you failed at grading your own questions! Because didn't use any hadith, any history or any reference to any sahaba.