As long as a Hadith is authentic, there is no need to apply logic.

monkk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Some time hadeath is metaphorical too.
Pay attention to quran.. cover to cover... you wont have time for nitty gritty..
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
There are dozens if not 100s of such hadith, that if a man dies like so and so he is forgiven, becomes a martyr and goes to heaven. For example if a man drowns, dies by a wall falling on him etc etc

Which goes totally against the Quran which says its only a person's deeds while he was alive which will decide where he ends up in the afterlife.

There will be no intercession, no "transfer of sawab" like reading the Quran and "transferring" all the swab and blessing to the deceased, no doing hajj umrah and "transferring" the blessing to a dead loved one, no doing sadaqah and transferring the blessings etc etc
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
What are majosis and what are the names of the books?
Zoroastrians - fire worshippers, the dominant religion in Persia/Khorasan before the invasion of the Muslims. And if you see all the authors of the major Sahih Six hadith compilations are these defeated Persians. There is only one book of hadith written by an Arab who lived in Medina closet to the time of death to the prophet, but still over a century after, and the smallest hadith book.

Since one could not attack or alter the Quran due to its widespread transmission to 100s of 1000s of people so this was the next best thing. Fabricate stories and sayings and attribute it to the prophets and make up the foolish method of chains/Isnad to authenticate them and call them sahih i.e true.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The only way the quran can be proven word of God is by verifying what it says against the real world realities using logic and rationality as much as it is possible.

Anyone who dismisses logic and rationality can never prove even the quran as word of God never mind the hadith. It is because proof and proving is all about using evidences or facts with logic for explaining them. None can explain anything at all without logic and rationality. This is how people can see for themselves how ignorant mullahs and their slaves are.
 

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