Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical views

[patriot]

Far right Dutch politician Geert Wilders has screened his anti-Islamic film to Britain's most senior lawmakers. The movie compares The Quran to Hitler's autobiography 'Mein Kampf', sparking widespread outrage. RT's Laura Emmett caught up with him, to find out why he thinks his calls to ban the Quran correspond with the ideology of free speech.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanFV4b1wvk&feature=dir[/video]

 

[Whats Up Doc]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Clearly this guy is an Islamafob. He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it means?

 

[Star Gazer]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Clearly this guy is an Islamafob. He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it means?

I do not know what is he talking about and who taught him what he knows. This is just one more example of peoples and their politicians using their whims for their own intellectual satisfaction. I think muslims should take him to court in Netherland for malafide intent.

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Far right Dutch politician Geert Wilders has screened his anti-Islamic film to Britain's most senior lawmakers. The movie compares The Quran to Hitler's autobiography 'Mein Kampf', sparking widespread outrage. RT's Laura Emmett caught up with him, to find out why he thinks his calls to ban the Quran correspond with the ideology of free speech.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanFV4b1wvk&feature=dir[/video]

Another Dutch to become Muslim soon, inshaAllah. Ameen

he is crying for devine guidence from Allah.

 

[babadeena]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Mr. Geert Wilders, have full freedom to go against Quran. More you will oppose, more publicity it will get and more people will read it, more will believe in it Inshallah. It happened so and it will inshallah happen again.

 

[babadeena]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it means?

From where he got it? I think only one sect in Muslim may have this type of thing, i am not sure. You better get a reference from him?

 

[Whats Up Doc]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it means?

From where he got it? I think only one sect in Muslim may have this type of thing, i am not sure. You better get a reference from him?

At 3.48 on the video he says the Muslims living in non Muslim country allowed to lie with example a Muslim may say " Homosexuality is OK". He refereed to this concept "Takeeia"

 

[patriot]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

45 Al-Jathiya Aya #7

7. Woe to every sinful liar

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Mr. Geert Wilders, have full freedom to go against Quran. More you will oppose, more publicity it will get and more people will read it, more will believe in it Inshallah. It happened so and it will inshallah happen again.

For once, I agree with you

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Far right Dutch politician Geert Wilders has screened his anti-Islamic film to Britain's most senior lawmakers. The movie compares The Quran to Hitler's autobiography 'Mein Kampf', sparking widespread outrage. RT's Laura Emmett caught up with him, to find out why he thinks his calls to ban the Quran correspond with the ideology of free speech.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanFV4b1wvk&feature=dir[/video]

what a namak haram man!!! Their company Dutch Shell has majority share in ARAMCO in Saudia, making billions. Holland is running on Saudi money, talk about ungrateful....

anyway, I pray that he become Muslim, AMeen

 

[Whats Up Doc]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Far right Dutch politician Geert Wilders has screened his anti-Islamic film to Britain's most senior lawmakers. The movie compares The Quran to Hitler's autobiography 'Mein Kampf', sparking widespread outrage. RT's Laura Emmett caught up with him, to find out why he thinks his calls to ban the Quran correspond with the ideology of free speech.

what a namak haram man!!! Their company Dutch Shell has majority share in ARAMCO in Saudia, making billions. Holland is running on Saudi money, talk about ungrateful....

anyway, I pray that he become Muslim, AMeen

Don't go losing any sleep over it Gazoo he is afraid of 5 percent of Muslims in his country, just as there are many Hindufobs running around in Pakistan

 

[Star Gazer]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

what a namak haram man!!! Their company Dutch Shell has majority share in ARAMCO in Saudia, making billions. Holland is running on Saudi money, talk about ungrateful....

anyway, I pray that he become Muslim, AMeen

Don't go losing any sleep over it Gazoo he is afraid of 5 percent of Muslims in his country, just as there are many Hindufobs running around in Pakistan

Hindufobs in Pakistan?? You must be dreaming! No phobia in Pakistan.
Security lies not so much in how much you have rather how much you can do without.
And we are very secure in the fact that we have and can do.

 

[Star Gazer]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it means?

From where he got it? I think only one sect in Muslim may have this type of thing, i am not sure. You better get a reference from him?

I have also heard about this thing for a sect but do not know if this is true or not so untill then I have to say that I do not know where he got it from.

 

[foqia khan]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Clearly this guy is an Islamafob. He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it mean?

It is not a common permitted practice ,only allowed in very special cases and for this reason mostly people don't have any idea about it, non muslims nowdays are using this term with twisted meaning to make false propaganda against Islam.


The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, feelings, opinions, or strategies at a time of eminent danger, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury."
Some people have fallen victim to confusing al-Taqiyya with hypocrisy, when in fact they (al-Taqiyya and Hypocrisy) are two opposite extremes. al-Taqiyya is concealing faith and displaying nonbelief; while Hypocrisy is the concealment of unbelief and the display of belief. They are TOTAL opposites in function, form, and meaning.

The Quran reveals the nature of hypocrisy with the following verse:"When they meet those who believe, they say: `We Believe;' but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: `We are really with you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."

The Quran then reveals al-Taqiyya with the following verse:Who so disbelieves in Allah after he has believed - save him who is forced to make a declaration of disbelief while his heart finds peace in faith - but such as open their breast to disbelief, on them is Allah's wrath; and for them is decreed a severe punishment.[16:106]

(1). The above verse in both Sunni and Shi'ite sources was revealed concerning 'Ammar Ibn Yasir. After the migration (hijrah) of the Prophet, the infidels of Mecca imprisoned some of the Muslims of that city and tortured them, forcing them to leave Islam and to return to their former religion of idolatry. Included in this group who were tortured were Ammar and his father and mother. Ammar's parents refused to turn away from Islam and died under torture. But Ammar, in order to escape torture and death, outwardly left Islam and accepted idol worship, thereby escaping from danger. Having become free, he left Mecca secretly for Medina. In Medina he went before the Holy Prophet--upon whom be blessings and peace--and in a state of penitence and distress concerning what he had done, he asked the Prophet if by acting as he did, he had fallen outside the sacred precinct of religion. Then Prophet said that his duty was what he had accomplished. The above verse was then revealed.

(2).It has been narrated by Abd al-Razak, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn Mardawayh, al-Bayhaqi in his book "al- Dala-il," and it was corrected by al-Hakim in his book "al- Mustadrak" that:
"The nonbelievers arrested `Ammar Ibn Yasir (r) and (tortured him until) he uttered foul words about the Prophet (s), and praised their gods (idols); and when they released him, he went straight to the Prophet (s). The Prophet (s) said:

"Is there something on your mind?" `Ammar Ibn Yasir (r) said: "Bad (news)! They would not release me until I defamed you and praised their gods!" The Prophet (s) said: "How do you find your heart to be?" `Ammar answered: "Comfortable with faith." So the Prophet (s) said: "Then if they come back for you, then do the same thing all over again." Allah at that moment revealed the verse: "....except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith...(16:106) the above mentioned verse".

Other references and conditions in which Al-Taqiyya is allowed:
(3).It is narrated by al-Ghazzali in his book, "Ihya `Uloom al-Din," that:
Safeguarding of a Muslim's life is a mandatory obligation that should be observed; and that LYING is permissible when the shedding of a Muslim's blood is at stake.

(4). Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Ashbah Wa al-Naza'ir," affirms that:
"it is acceptable (for a Muslim) to eat the meat of a dead animal at a time of great hunger (starvation to the extent that the stomach is devoid of all food); and to loosen a bite of food (for fear of choking to death) by alcohol; and to utter words of unbelief; and if one is living in an environment where evil and corruption are the pervasive norm, and permissible things (Halal) are the exception and a rarity, then one can utilize whatever is available to fulfill his needs."
NOTE: The reference to the consumption of a dead animal is meant to illustrate that EVEN forbidden things become permissible in a time of need.

(5).Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, v7, p81, that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said:"O `Aisha, the worst of people in the sight of Allah (SWT) are those that are avoided by others due to their extreme impudence."

NOTE: The meaning here is that one is permitted to use diplomacy to getalong with people. The above tradition was narrated when a person sought permission to see the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) and prior to his asking permission the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said that he was not a good man, but stillI shall see him. The Prophet talked to the person with utmost respect, uponwhich Aisha inquired as to why did the Prophet (PBUH&HF) talk to the person with respect despite his character, upon which the above reply was rendered.

(6).Narrated in Sahih Muslim (English version), Chapter MLXXVII, v4, p1373,Tradition #6303:
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases:

a. in battle,
b. for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and
c. the narration of the words of the husband to wife, and
d. the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).[/color]

The (Sunni) commentator of this volume of Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, provides the following commentary:Telling of a lie is a grave sin but a Muslim is permitted to tell a lie in some exceptional cases, and this permission is given especially on three occasions: in case of battle for bringing reconciliation amongst the hostile Muslims and for bringing reconciliation between the husband and the wife.

On the analogy [Qiyas] of the three cases, the scholars of Hadith have pointed out some other exemptions: for saving the life and honor of innocent person from the high handedness of tyrants and oppressors if one finds no other way to save them.

 

[Whats Up Doc]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

[quote="Whats Up Doc":2tlqq7f5]Clearly this guy is an Islamafob. He mentioned a word Takia he claims it means "lying" and he gave an example. Can anyone explain what it mean?

It is not a common permitted practice ,only allowed in very special cases and for this reason mostly people don't have any idea about it, non muslims nowdays are using this term with twisted meaning to make false propaganda against Islam.


The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, feelings, opinions, or strategies at a time of eminent danger, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury."
Some people have fallen victim to confusing al-Taqiyya with hypocrisy, when in fact they (al-Taqiyya and Hypocrisy) are two opposite extremes. al-Taqiyya is concealing faith and displaying nonbelief; while Hypocrisy is the concealment of unbelief and the display of belief. They are TOTAL opposites in function, form, and meaning.

The Quran reveals the nature of hypocrisy with the following verse:"When they meet those who believe, they say: `We Believe;' but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: `We are really with you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."

The Quran then reveals al-Taqiyya with the following verse:Who so disbelieves in Allah after he has believed - save him who is forced to make a declaration of disbelief while his heart finds peace in faith - but such as open their breast to disbelief, on them is Allah's wrath; and for them is decreed a severe punishment.[16:106]

(1). The above verse in both Sunni and Shi'ite sources was revealed concerning 'Ammar Ibn Yasir. After the migration (hijrah) of the Prophet, the infidels of Mecca imprisoned some of the Muslims of that city and tortured them, forcing them to leave Islam and to return to their former religion of idolatry. Included in this group who were tortured were Ammar and his father and mother. Ammar's parents refused to turn away from Islam and died under torture. But Ammar, in order to escape torture and death, outwardly left Islam and accepted idol worship, thereby escaping from danger. Having become free, he left Mecca secretly for Medina. In Medina he went before the Holy Prophet--upon whom be blessings and peace--and in a state of penitence and distress concerning what he had done, he asked the Prophet if by acting as he did, he had fallen outside the sacred precinct of religion. Then Prophet said that his duty was what he had accomplished. The above verse was then revealed.

(2).It has been narrated by Abd al-Razak, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn Mardawayh, al-Bayhaqi in his book "al- Dala-il," and it was corrected by al-Hakim in his book "al- Mustadrak" that:
"The nonbelievers arrested `Ammar Ibn Yasir (r) and (tortured him until) he uttered foul words about the Prophet (s), and praised their gods (idols); and when they released him, he went straight to the Prophet (s). The Prophet (s) said:

"Is there something on your mind?" `Ammar Ibn Yasir (r) said: "Bad (news)! They would not release me until I defamed you and praised their gods!" The Prophet (s) said: "How do you find your heart to be?" `Ammar answered: "Comfortable with faith." So the Prophet (s) said: "Then if they come back for you, then do the same thing all over again." Allah at that moment revealed the verse: "....except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith...(16:106) the above mentioned verse".

Other references and conditions in which Al-Taqiyya is allowed:
(3).It is narrated by al-Ghazzali in his book, "Ihya `Uloom al-Din," that:
Safeguarding of a Muslim's life is a mandatory obligation that should be observed; and that LYING is permissible when the shedding of a Muslim's blood is at stake.

(4). Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Ashbah Wa al-Naza'ir," affirms that:
"it is acceptable (for a Muslim) to eat the meat of a dead animal at a time of great hunger (starvation to the extent that the stomach is devoid of all food); and to loosen a bite of food (for fear of choking to death) by alcohol; and to utter words of unbelief; and if one is living in an environment where evil and corruption are the pervasive norm, and permissible things (Halal) are the exception and a rarity, then one can utilize whatever is available to fulfill his needs."
NOTE: The reference to the consumption of a dead animal is meant to illustrate that EVEN forbidden things become permissible in a time of need.

(5).Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, v7, p81, that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said:"O `Aisha, the worst of people in the sight of Allah (SWT) are those that are avoided by others due to their extreme impudence."

NOTE: The meaning here is that one is permitted to use diplomacy to getalong with people. The above tradition was narrated when a person sought permission to see the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) and prior to his asking permission the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said that he was not a good man, but stillI shall see him. The Prophet talked to the person with utmost respect, uponwhich Aisha inquired as to why did the Prophet (PBUH&HF) talk to the person with respect despite his character, upon which the above reply was rendered.

(6).Narrated in Sahih Muslim (English version), Chapter MLXXVII, v4, p1373,Tradition #6303:
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases:

a. in battle,
b. for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and
c. the narration of the words of the husband to wife, and
d. the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).[/color]

The (Sunni) commentator of this volume of Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, provides the following commentary:Telling of a lie is a grave sin but a Muslim is permitted to tell a lie in some exceptional cases, and this permission is given especially on three occasions: in case of battle for bringing reconciliation amongst the hostile Muslims and for bringing reconciliation between the husband and the wife.

On the analogy [Qiyas] of the three cases, the scholars of Hadith have pointed out some other exemptions: for saving the life and honor of innocent person from the high handedness of tyrants and oppressors if one finds no other way to save them.[/quote:2tlqq7f5]

Thanks Foqia now it makes more sense. The way Mr. Wilders presented, it really did not made much sense

 

[hiramir34]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Banning the quran does not really make sense. There is a huge difference between the scripture and the followers. The world needs to understand that Islam does not teach extremism but it teaches love and affection. Due to a handful of terrorist the name if islam is being damaged and the people of Pakistan condemn this. I do not agree with the part where he says that Islam wants to dominate lives. That is so not the case.

 

[butshikan]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

@Foqia: Again a good research work. [clap]

 

[Raaz]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

@ foqia: Well done, Thanks for explaining, May Allah bless u a lot.

 

[taul]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

-Jazak-Allah khair Sister for such a thorough explanation :) No wonder why little or half information is not just hazardous but quite lethal,his prejudice against Islam in general and muslims in particular takes his absurdness to an infinite level :D there are some bad apples in every community,i bet if a really sick mind ( with perversion to homosexuality) that happens to be a muslim and living in holland stands in favor of such an immoral practice,this geert guy ( being racially motivated and prejudiced thinking) would flat out deny his voice,saying and ridiculously confusing it with his distortion and hilariously illogical take on the word taqiya :shock: thus reflecting and attesting along the way,the sickness and a true disturbance/imbalance in both of their minds :D :lol:

 

[foqia khan]

Re: Ban the Quran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his radical v

Just want to add one more thing regarding my previous reply on Al taqiyya ,that often make muslims confuse while visiting different non muslims sites ,coz they quote one Hadith regarding Tiqiyya with the following explaination to misguide readers.

Sahih Bukhari,Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271: Narrated Jabir: The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, ""I do (i.e. allow you)."
Their explaination:Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad.



whereas the same incident with a little detail in the same volume of Sahih Bukhari shows that the person who volunteered for the assassination didn't pretend that he turned against Muhammad (S.A.W), its only that non muslims twist the facts .
Volume:4 Book :52(Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)) Number :270 Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.