Darood: Origin, Misinterpretations, and Dangers

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
He never said that and nor do you have any way of proving that he did. His emphasis was on only the Quran and Quran alone.

And all sects are against the Quran and involved in shirk. Be it Sunni, Shia, Brelvi, Deobandi, Jaffriyya, Ahle Sunna etc etc etc
Here to mentions follow quran n his sunnah
I memorized last sermon for islamiat for 10th grade board exam and islamic had same emphasis follow quran n sunnah

 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
He never said that and nor do you have any way of proving that he did. His emphasis was on only the Quran and Quran alone.

And all sects are against the Quran and involved in shirk. Be it Sunni, Shia, Brelvi, Deobandi, Jaffriyya, Ahle Sunna etc etc etc
Another source
THE FAREWELL SERMON OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD: AN ANALYTICAL REVIEW
Mohammad Omar Farooq *
Abstract: Historically, the Farewell Sermon (khutbah al-wida) of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)1 has occupied an important place in Islam. The sermon was delivered during the Farewell Hajj (pilgrimage), on 9 Dhu al-Hijja 10AH (6 March 632), at Mount Arafat. The sermon consisted of summarised exhortations reflecting some of the core teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Source: https://icrjournal.org/index.php/icr/article/download/103/89/433
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Another source
THE FAREWELL SERMON OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD: AN ANALYTICAL REVIEW
Mohammad Omar Farooq *
Abstract: Historically, the Farewell Sermon (khutbah al-wida) of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)1 has occupied an important place in Islam. The sermon was delivered during the Farewell Hajj (pilgrimage), on 9 Dhu al-Hijja 10AH (6 March 632), at Mount Arafat. The sermon consisted of summarised exhortations reflecting some of the core teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Source: https://icrjournal.org/index.php/icr/article/download/103/89/433
All of your posts are relying on hadith. Hadith are extremely unreliable, not endorsed by the Allah, Quran, Prophet or the Khulafa Rashidun. Hadith is nothing but conjecture.
 

Wake up Pak

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Here to mentions follow quran n his sunnah
I memorized last sermon for islamiat for 10th grade board exam and islamic had same emphasis follow quran n sunnah

The farewell Pilgrimage of the Prophet Muhammed is a cornerstone in the Muslim history. The Final Sermon given by the Prophet during this pilgrimage
was witnessed by thousands of Muslims. There are however THREE versions of this sermon in the Hadiths' books.

The third version is the most authentic, authorized by Allah & his Prophet.

[A] 1- First version, " I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Family. (Shia version)

2-Second version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Sunnah". (Sunni version)

[C]3- Third version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the BOOK OF GOD."
 

sitq90

Voter (50+ posts)
All of your posts are relying on hadith. Hadith are extremely unreliable, not endorsed by the Allah, Quran, Prophet or the Khulafa Rashidun. Hadith is nothing but conjecture.
You are wrong in the sense that the Quran asks us to obey the prophet Muhammad SAW. Also, if your premise is to be accepted, explain how did the hadith accurately predict the competition as to the construction of tall buildings between the shepherds (Arabs). If you think that is vague then there is another one which speaks of the mountains being moved in Makkah for construction purposes.The aforementioned is clearly not conjecture in nature. Not to say there are not some made up hadith as even the scholars have rejected Hadiths as fabricated. Now if I try being too skeptical, I can argue that what suited them they accepted them, and what was against their world view, they rejected them. Nonetheless, there are some on which the scholars are in agreement as the chain of narrations is similar, and they are found in the two most authentic books, Bukhari, and Muslim. Now there are some reported stories in these two books. However, to the best of my knowledge, they are not labelled as authentic narrations. Finally, do not take this personally, because I do not say it to demean you, you sound as if you have swung from one extreme to the other, and are finding reasons to conform them to your view. Blanket statements are often wrong, try to research by considering both sides and be moderate as invalidating all hadiths as conjecture is exreme, and falls short of a sound intellectual approach.
 

Citizen X

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The aforementioned is clearly not conjecture
They are exactly that, nothing but conjecture. Nostradamus got so many predictions about the future right too, means absolutely nothing at all other than coincidence or maybe Nostradamus was also a prophet!!!!
Not to say there are not some made up hadith as even the scholars have rejected Hadiths as fabricated. Now if I try being too skeptical, I can argue that what suited them they accepted them, and what was against their world view, they rejected them. Nonetheless, there are some on which the scholars are in agreement as the chain of narrations is similar, and they are found in the two most authentic books, Bukhari, and Muslim. Now there are some reported stories in these two books. However, to the best of my knowledge, they are not labelled as authentic narrations.
Who gives a toss what these so called scholars say, they are all following the same conjecture as well and everyday a scholar comes and declares x amount of hadith that were sahih as fabricated and vice versa like Al Bani for example. Then every sect have their own set of hadith they consider sahih, what is sahih for brelvi is fabricated for deobandi and what sunnis believe in shias totally discard and vice versa.
try to research by considering both sides
I literally spent years doing exactly that and coming to this "fringe" view was anything but easy. I've been on both sides of the fence. So I know what its like on that both sides.

as invalidating all hadiths as conjecture is exreme, and falls short of a sound intellectual approach.
Should I worry about having sound intellectual approach or follow what the Quran clearly say or how the Prophet forbade hadith and the Khulafa burnt it.

Read my opening article on in this thread on the History of hadith. And how the Prophet and early Muslims avoiding hadith and later how hadith was actually solicited by rulers to cement than rule and quell rebellion and gain loyalty.

Which ever angle you look at it, there is absolutely no deen in hadith, at its VERY BEST it is a vague not so reliable history of early Islam. And history has nothing to do with the deen of Allah. The deen was completed during the lifetime of the Prophet, the day he passed away even one single iota of it cannot change, let alone complete change after 300 years

 

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