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Lahore shooting: US demands immediate release of Raymond Davis
United States on Saturday demanded immediate release of its citizen and Raymond Davis, who allegedly killed two people in Lahore three days ago.
The US embassy in Pakistan issued a statement, which stated that Raymond shot at two people in self-defence and thus is being in illegal captivity inside Pakistan.
When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, it said in a statement.
It further said that Pakistan cannot, in anyway, detain its citizen; Raymonds diplomatic visa would be expired in 2012. However, it grieved the death of two people at the hands of its citizen.
It is pertinent to mention that US national named Raymond David shot at 2 persons at Qartaba Chowk and hit another bike rider while driving rashly, in an attempt to to escape the scene. The motorcyclist Ubaidur Rehman was killed on the spot while other two injured -- Faizan Haider and an unidentified person -- succumbed to their injuries in the Services Hospital.
Police apprehended Steve David from Purani Anarkali and confiscated a pistol with bullets and three mobile phones from his possession. Police have taken Raymond's car into custody and started investigation of the incident. The accused told the police that he opened fire on the deceased at Qartaba Chowk, Lahore in his defence as they tried to rob him.
SSP (security) Rana Faisal,while talking to Dunya News, confirmed that the foreigner is a US citizen and the two deceased wanted to stop Raymond on gun point.
US Embassy spokesman in Islamabad said that they are in contact with Pakistani government over the issue. The other day Raymond was remanded in police custody for 6 days.
United States on Saturday demanded immediate release of its citizen and Raymond Davis, who allegedly killed two people in Lahore three days ago.
The US embassy in Pakistan issued a statement, which stated that Raymond shot at two people in self-defence and thus is being in illegal captivity inside Pakistan.
When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, it said in a statement.
It further said that Pakistan cannot, in anyway, detain its citizen; Raymonds diplomatic visa would be expired in 2012. However, it grieved the death of two people at the hands of its citizen.
It is pertinent to mention that US national named Raymond David shot at 2 persons at Qartaba Chowk and hit another bike rider while driving rashly, in an attempt to to escape the scene. The motorcyclist Ubaidur Rehman was killed on the spot while other two injured -- Faizan Haider and an unidentified person -- succumbed to their injuries in the Services Hospital.
Police apprehended Steve David from Purani Anarkali and confiscated a pistol with bullets and three mobile phones from his possession. Police have taken Raymond's car into custody and started investigation of the incident. The accused told the police that he opened fire on the deceased at Qartaba Chowk, Lahore in his defence as they tried to rob him.
SSP (security) Rana Faisal,while talking to Dunya News, confirmed that the foreigner is a US citizen and the two deceased wanted to stop Raymond on gun point.
US Embassy spokesman in Islamabad said that they are in contact with Pakistani government over the issue. The other day Raymond was remanded in police custody for 6 days.
DashingPun
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canadian
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That's interesting but it's politics.I hope his actions are louder than his words.
That's interesting but it's politics.I hope his actions are louder than his words.
canadian
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Lahore shootings: As the case unfolds, the mystery deepens
By Asad Kharal / Rana Tanveer / Sumera Khan
Published: January 29, 2011
US consulate employee Davis is escorted by police and officials after appearing before a judge in Lahore. PHOTO: REUTERS
ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: As the US diplomatic machinery moved to calm a brewing storm over Thursday’s shooting incident in Lahore involving an official attached to its consulate, peculiar details are trickling in regarding the exact identity of the man.
US Ambassador Cameron Munter is learnt to have met Foreign Secretary Salman Basheer, requesting the federal government’s intervention in the case of US official Raymond Allen Davis, who gunned down two young motorcyclists near Lahore’s Qurtaba Chowk in apparent self-defence. The case is currently being handled by the Punjab government, and Davis has been remanded into police custody for six days, according to police officials, by a magistrate.
Munter, according to well-placed sources, is said to have brought up the Geneva Convention, under which diplomats are allowed diplomatic immunity. The provincial government has so far refused to bring the international protocol into play. Other diplomats are also learnt to have tried to contact the Punjab government.
The Foreign Office is learnt to have contacted the Punjab government requesting case details. There has also been a meeting between Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Interior Minister Rehman Malik regarding the matter. Gen. Kayani is said to have advised Malik to handle the matter with ‘extreme care’ given its sensitive nature. He also advised that, aside from the apparent diplomatic links, Davis’ military links should also be kept in mind as the case moves forward.
Also discussed was the law and order situation that could arise if Davis is granted immunity.
Who is Davis?
Meanwhile, intelligence data shows that Davis has visited Pakistan nine times since 2009.
According to records available with The Express Tribune, Allen Davis, aged 37, visited Pakistan for the first time on October 18, 2009, landing in Islamabad. His last entry into Pakistan was on January 20, 2011, when he landed in Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport.
Davis travelled using a regular passport, on which he had regular visit visas. There was no diplomatic passport.
Insiders say that Davis was performing duties as a technical advisor serving in the Intelligence and Security Wings of the US Embassy in Islamabad and the consulate in Lahore. He also made frequent visits to Karachi and Peshawar. The police are said to have recovered an identity card from Davis for the US’ Peshawar consulate.
Pakistani intelligence agencies have so far not reached any conclusion and had not submitted a report regarding the incident till the filing of this report. However, initial data suggests that police or other security/intelligence agencies had no record or intimation of Davis’ movement or participation in official events since he first arrived in Pakistan in 2009.
According to policy guidelines and security advisory issued by the Foreign and Interior Ministries, US officials are, for their own security, not meant to move around without informing security officials due to the terror threat in the country. The vehicle Davis was driving was locally-registered, and did not have diplomatic number plates.
Initial reports revolved around a possible looting attempt by the men on the motorcycles, to which Davis is said to have retaliated. Conversely, some reports rejected the robbery bid. However, it is unclear what would have provoked Davis to open fire.
A new angle to the incident, submitted in a statement by Davis himself, has it that the vehicle he was driving had had a minor collision with a Rickshaw a little before the incident. Therefore, if not a robbery, the two men could have chased the vehicle to argue with the driver.
Tristram Perry, the information officer of the US Consulate in Lahore, did not answer queries regarding Davis’ immunity, saying that he has been requested by Islamabad to not comment on the incident. “We are working with Pakistani authorities to determine the facts and work toward a resolution,” he said
FIRs against the deceased
Meanwhile, though it was initially reported that the two deceased motorcyclists had no criminal record, the police registered FIRs against them posthumously on Friday, police sources told The Express Tribune.
The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.
As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.
However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.
In the FIR registered against Davis, the police have also included charges of carrying an illegal weapon – a Glock pistol and two magazines. The police also recovered a digital camera, a phone tracker with a charger.
Conversely, the police so far have no information about the other vehicle that came to rescue Davis and crushed a motorcyclist – Ibadullah – in the process. After killing the man, the vehicle fled from the scene. Davis did not disclose who was heading to his rescue, but did tell the police that, after the incident, he telephoned his Regional Security Officer who might have sent some officials for his rescue.
A police officer, on condition of anonymity, said that they had, through the Lahore Capital City Police Officer, sent a formal request to Pakistan’s foreign office to contact the US Consulate to identify those in the vehicle for their arrest.
The security of the US consulate has meanwhile been increased in light of increasing protests against the incident, The Express Tribune has learnt.
WITH REPORTING BY SONIA MALIK AND RAMEEZ KHAN
Published in The Express Tribune, January 29th, 2011.(http://tribune.com.pk/story/110900/lahore-shootings-as-the-case-unfolds-the-mystery-deepens/)
Lahore shootings: As the case unfolds, the mystery deepens
By Asad Kharal / Rana Tanveer / Sumera Khan
Published: January 29, 2011
US consulate employee Davis is escorted by police and officials after appearing before a judge in Lahore. PHOTO: REUTERS
ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: As the US diplomatic machinery moved to calm a brewing storm over Thursday’s shooting incident in Lahore involving an official attached to its consulate, peculiar details are trickling in regarding the exact identity of the man.
US Ambassador Cameron Munter is learnt to have met Foreign Secretary Salman Basheer, requesting the federal government’s intervention in the case of US official Raymond Allen Davis, who gunned down two young motorcyclists near Lahore’s Qurtaba Chowk in apparent self-defence. The case is currently being handled by the Punjab government, and Davis has been remanded into police custody for six days, according to police officials, by a magistrate.
Munter, according to well-placed sources, is said to have brought up the Geneva Convention, under which diplomats are allowed diplomatic immunity. The provincial government has so far refused to bring the international protocol into play. Other diplomats are also learnt to have tried to contact the Punjab government.
The Foreign Office is learnt to have contacted the Punjab government requesting case details. There has also been a meeting between Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Interior Minister Rehman Malik regarding the matter. Gen. Kayani is said to have advised Malik to handle the matter with ‘extreme care’ given its sensitive nature. He also advised that, aside from the apparent diplomatic links, Davis’ military links should also be kept in mind as the case moves forward.
Also discussed was the law and order situation that could arise if Davis is granted immunity.
Who is Davis?
Meanwhile, intelligence data shows that Davis has visited Pakistan nine times since 2009.
According to records available with The Express Tribune, Allen Davis, aged 37, visited Pakistan for the first time on October 18, 2009, landing in Islamabad. His last entry into Pakistan was on January 20, 2011, when he landed in Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport.
Davis travelled using a regular passport, on which he had regular visit visas. There was no diplomatic passport.
Insiders say that Davis was performing duties as a technical advisor serving in the Intelligence and Security Wings of the US Embassy in Islamabad and the consulate in Lahore. He also made frequent visits to Karachi and Peshawar. The police are said to have recovered an identity card from Davis for the US’ Peshawar consulate.
Pakistani intelligence agencies have so far not reached any conclusion and had not submitted a report regarding the incident till the filing of this report. However, initial data suggests that police or other security/intelligence agencies had no record or intimation of Davis’ movement or participation in official events since he first arrived in Pakistan in 2009.
According to policy guidelines and security advisory issued by the Foreign and Interior Ministries, US officials are, for their own security, not meant to move around without informing security officials due to the terror threat in the country. The vehicle Davis was driving was locally-registered, and did not have diplomatic number plates.
Initial reports revolved around a possible looting attempt by the men on the motorcycles, to which Davis is said to have retaliated. Conversely, some reports rejected the robbery bid. However, it is unclear what would have provoked Davis to open fire.
A new angle to the incident, submitted in a statement by Davis himself, has it that the vehicle he was driving had had a minor collision with a Rickshaw a little before the incident. Therefore, if not a robbery, the two men could have chased the vehicle to argue with the driver.
Tristram Perry, the information officer of the US Consulate in Lahore, did not answer queries regarding Davis’ immunity, saying that he has been requested by Islamabad to not comment on the incident. “We are working with Pakistani authorities to determine the facts and work toward a resolution,” he said
FIRs against the deceased
Meanwhile, though it was initially reported that the two deceased motorcyclists had no criminal record, the police registered FIRs against them posthumously on Friday, police sources told The Express Tribune.
The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.
As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.
However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.
In the FIR registered against Davis, the police have also included charges of carrying an illegal weapon – a Glock pistol and two magazines. The police also recovered a digital camera, a phone tracker with a charger.
Conversely, the police so far have no information about the other vehicle that came to rescue Davis and crushed a motorcyclist – Ibadullah – in the process. After killing the man, the vehicle fled from the scene. Davis did not disclose who was heading to his rescue, but did tell the police that, after the incident, he telephoned his Regional Security Officer who might have sent some officials for his rescue.
A police officer, on condition of anonymity, said that they had, through the Lahore Capital City Police Officer, sent a formal request to Pakistan’s foreign office to contact the US Consulate to identify those in the vehicle for their arrest.
The security of the US consulate has meanwhile been increased in light of increasing protests against the incident, The Express Tribune has learnt.
WITH REPORTING BY SONIA MALIK AND RAMEEZ KHAN
Published in The Express Tribune, January 29th, 2011.(http://tribune.com.pk/story/110900/lahore-shootings-as-the-case-unfolds-the-mystery-deepens/)
paki-lover
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but punjab nahi choday ga
rehman aur zoradri ka bhai hai gori chamdi wala dono koshish mai hai ka is ko choda dia jaya
but punjab nahi choday ga
canadian
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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We have to wait and see.
We have to wait and see.
qamar_zaman
Councller (250+ posts)
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How do slave disobey his master?
How do slave disobey his master?
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Give me your thoughts please
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?55171-Man-for-Man-and-Blood-for-Blood
Give me your thoughts please
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?55171-Man-for-Man-and-Blood-for-Blood
bhasin_parveen
MPA (400+ posts)
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why sold out character, i know they are corrupt, baba but what this american has done to save his life, i would have done the same, Pakistan is jungle baba jungle and don't compare urself with U.S.A, unfortunately might is right, baaten bari bari karna bohot achcha lagta he but bottom line is that we r dependant on their money, u know bhikaari
why sold out character, i know they are corrupt, baba but what this american has done to save his life, i would have done the same, Pakistan is jungle baba jungle and don't compare urself with U.S.A, unfortunately might is right, baaten bari bari karna bohot achcha lagta he but bottom line is that we r dependant on their money, u know bhikaari
Usman Baig
MPA (400+ posts)
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Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr. Aafia Siddiqui
LONDON: Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr Aafia Siddiqui Founder and Leader of Muttahida Quami Movement Mr Altaf Hussain has asked the US Government to explain its position regarding the release of Dr Aafia Siddiqui. He said this in the backdrop of demand by US government to release Raymond Davis seeking diplomatic immunity. "It is for the government of Pakistan to look into the legal and constitutional issues involved but I Altaf Hussain s/o Nazeer Hussain wanted to know as a citizen of Pakistan the position of the US government about releasing Dr Aafia Siddiqui immediately."
Altaf Hussain Zindabad......
True Leader of Pakistan........
Kisi bhi Leader main itna Damm nahi tha ke is tarha America say baat karay...
Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr. Aafia Siddiqui
LONDON: Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr Aafia Siddiqui Founder and Leader of Muttahida Quami Movement Mr Altaf Hussain has asked the US Government to explain its position regarding the release of Dr Aafia Siddiqui. He said this in the backdrop of demand by US government to release Raymond Davis seeking diplomatic immunity. "It is for the government of Pakistan to look into the legal and constitutional issues involved but I Altaf Hussain s/o Nazeer Hussain wanted to know as a citizen of Pakistan the position of the US government about releasing Dr Aafia Siddiqui immediately."
Altaf Hussain Zindabad......
True Leader of Pakistan........
Kisi bhi Leader main itna Damm nahi tha ke is tarha America say baat karay...
Saboo
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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I think lahore police is working under the embassy influence and , on the self defence theory, would let him go
and some of the lucky officers will get a green card with lots of $$$.
Just wait and see.
I think lahore police is working under the embassy influence and , on the self defence theory, would let him go
and some of the lucky officers will get a green card with lots of $$$.
Just wait and see.
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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Regarding the statement of Altaf Bhai
1. Our political differences set aside, AH has shown some courage at the time when that the nation grieving over the murder of 3 innocent people.
Regardless of whether he did it to benefit his party or for any other point scoring, it definitely sends a pinching message to the US that sister Aafia has not been forgotten and we do not believe that she was justly treated, properly tried, and correctly accused. In this context of Lahore murder we should appreciate AH's statement. I personally welcome this. Good work AH bhai. No matter what, when it comes to foreigners, we are and should be united.
2. If Fawad, Haroon, and Abdul Quddus from the CIA/StateDept are reading this, please answer this: Does Geneva convention really provide diplomatic immunity EVEN IF A DIPLOMAT kills the locals? Would you release a Pakistani w/o harm and trial if he shoots even ONE American?
Be honest in answers. Remember you three are Muslims too and have obligation to tell the truth.
3. In my opinion, Davis must be tried for the murders and the other driver must be handed over to the police for trial. If they use the excuse of diplomatic immunity the I demand that all mujrim be released from jails because Davis's release will be slap on justice system of all the societies, Islamic or non-Islamic, include USA.
My prediction: Davis will be quietly given another fake US passport and he will calmly fly out. Then the Pak govt will cry wolf for few days then something else will happen that will divert every body's attention
I pray that justice is done. If Davis REALLY killed in self defense proving case, then he should be freed. But trial must occur. But the second driver must be charged with deliberate murder, hit-and-run and asked the judge/jury for death sentence.
BUT do we have courage to uphold the law and shun the US. I doubt it, not from these officials
Regarding the statement of Altaf Bhai
1. Our political differences set aside, AH has shown some courage at the time when that the nation grieving over the murder of 3 innocent people.
Regardless of whether he did it to benefit his party or for any other point scoring, it definitely sends a pinching message to the US that sister Aafia has not been forgotten and we do not believe that she was justly treated, properly tried, and correctly accused. In this context of Lahore murder we should appreciate AH's statement. I personally welcome this. Good work AH bhai. No matter what, when it comes to foreigners, we are and should be united.
2. If Fawad, Haroon, and Abdul Quddus from the CIA/StateDept are reading this, please answer this: Does Geneva convention really provide diplomatic immunity EVEN IF A DIPLOMAT kills the locals? Would you release a Pakistani w/o harm and trial if he shoots even ONE American?
Be honest in answers. Remember you three are Muslims too and have obligation to tell the truth.
3. In my opinion, Davis must be tried for the murders and the other driver must be handed over to the police for trial. If they use the excuse of diplomatic immunity the I demand that all mujrim be released from jails because Davis's release will be slap on justice system of all the societies, Islamic or non-Islamic, include USA.
My prediction: Davis will be quietly given another fake US passport and he will calmly fly out. Then the Pak govt will cry wolf for few days then something else will happen that will divert every body's attention
I pray that justice is done. If Davis REALLY killed in self defense proving case, then he should be freed. But trial must occur. But the second driver must be charged with deliberate murder, hit-and-run and asked the judge/jury for death sentence.
BUT do we have courage to uphold the law and shun the US. I doubt it, not from these officials
Re: Lahore shooting: US demands immediate release of Raymond Davis
Han bhai statement to kafi justified hai Altaf bhai ka, koi bewaqoof hi hoga jo is statement se ikhtilaf kerega but Altaf bhai k kehne say kya america Dr. Afia ko riha ker dega? Jurrat mand aur khudmukhtar faisla to govt. ko hi kerna hai chahe woh pmnl ho ya ppp.. let c.. kya hota hai..
Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr. Aafia Siddiqui
LONDON: Altaf Hussain Asks US To Explain Its Position About Dr Aafia Siddiqui Founder and Leader of Muttahida Quami Movement Mr Altaf Hussain has asked the US Government to explain its position regarding the release of Dr Aafia Siddiqui. He said this in the backdrop of demand by US government to release Raymond Davis seeking diplomatic immunity. "It is for the government of Pakistan to look into the legal and constitutional issues involved but I Altaf Hussain s/o Nazeer Hussain wanted to know as a citizen of Pakistan the position of the US government about releasing Dr Aafia Siddiqui immediately."
Altaf Hussain Zindabad......
True Leader of Pakistan........
Kisi bhi Leader main itna Damm nahi tha ke is tarha America say baat karay...
ShakirQureshi
MPA (400+ posts)
پاکستانیوں کا قتل ''جارحانہ'' امریکی دہشت گر&#
پاکستانیوں کا قتل ''جارحانہ'' امریکی دہشت گردی ہے. شاکر قریشی-کاروان فکر
لاہور میں سرے عام ''امریکی دہشت گرد'' کے ہاتھوں پاکستانیوں کا قتل حکومت کی رٹ کو کھلم کھلا چیلنج ہے. عقل حیران و دنگ ہے کہ دوسروں کے جوتے ، کپرے اور بیلٹ تک اتار کے ، ایکسرے اسکین کرنے والے امریکا کا شہری پاکستان کی سر زمین پہ اسلحہ ، کرنسی اور وائرلیس کیوں کر لئے، بغیر اجازت پھر رہا تھا ؟؟
کاروان فکر برطانیہ کا یہ مطالبہ ہے کہ اس دہشت گردی کے واقعے کی تفتیش '' اینٹی ٹررازم لا '' کے تحت پاکستان میں کی جاتے. ملزم کو جیل کی سلاخیں کے پیچھے رکھا جاتے. ہماری ہمدردیاں مرحوم کے لواحقین کے ساتھ ہیں
اس حقیقت کا خیال رکھا جاتے کہ معاملہ کو جس قدر سادہ بنا کر پیش کیا جاتے گا یہ اس قدر ''سادہ'' نہی ہے. پاکستانی قوم اس پہ گہری نظر رکھے
'' پاکستان کی سرزمیں کو بلیک واٹر کے فرنگی دہشت گردوں سے فورا'' پاک کیا جاتے ''
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پاکستانیوں کا قتل ''جارحانہ'' امریکی دہشت گردی ہے. شاکر قریشی-کاروان فکر
لاہور میں سرے عام ''امریکی دہشت گرد'' کے ہاتھوں پاکستانیوں کا قتل حکومت کی رٹ کو کھلم کھلا چیلنج ہے. عقل حیران و دنگ ہے کہ دوسروں کے جوتے ، کپرے اور بیلٹ تک اتار کے ، ایکسرے اسکین کرنے والے امریکا کا شہری پاکستان کی سر زمین پہ اسلحہ ، کرنسی اور وائرلیس کیوں کر لئے، بغیر اجازت پھر رہا تھا ؟؟
کاروان فکر برطانیہ کا یہ مطالبہ ہے کہ اس دہشت گردی کے واقعے کی تفتیش '' اینٹی ٹررازم لا '' کے تحت پاکستان میں کی جاتے. ملزم کو جیل کی سلاخیں کے پیچھے رکھا جاتے. ہماری ہمدردیاں مرحوم کے لواحقین کے ساتھ ہیں
اس حقیقت کا خیال رکھا جاتے کہ معاملہ کو جس قدر سادہ بنا کر پیش کیا جاتے گا یہ اس قدر ''سادہ'' نہی ہے. پاکستانی قوم اس پہ گہری نظر رکھے
'' پاکستان کی سرزمیں کو بلیک واٹر کے فرنگی دہشت گردوں سے فورا'' پاک کیا جاتے ''
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