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Panthar_pk

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Narrated by Abu Qilaba:
I saw Malik bin Huwairith saying Takbir and raising both his hands (on starting the prayers and raising his hands on bowing and also on raising his head after bowing. Malik bin Huwairith said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did the same."
[Sahih al-Bukhari 737] —

Narrated by Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
[Sahih al-Bukhari 735] —

Imaam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a separate book on this issue which he called Juz’ fi Raf’ al-Yadayn (Section on Raising the Hands), in which he proved that the hands should be raised at these two points on the prayer, and he strongly denounced those who go against that. He narrated that al-Hasan said: “The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise their hands during prayer when they bowed and when they stood up (from bowing).” Al-Bukhaari said, “Al-Hasan did not exclude any of the Sahaabah from that, and it was not proven that any one among the Sahaabah did not raise his hands.” [See al-Majmoo’ by al-Nawawi, 3/399-406.] —

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Look at the practice at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Sahaabah after him. They used to raise their hands in prayer when doing rukoo’, and when standing up again. And in the time of the Sahaabah, if ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar saw someone not raising his hands in prayer, he would throw a stone at him. [I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 2/376] —

This raising of the hands is mutawaatir (reported by so many to so many that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). It is the opinion of the majority of scholars and some of the Hanafis. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by al-Albaani, p. 136).
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There are many Hadith regarding this, and they mutawatir (stronger than sahih and narrated by so many companions that it cannot be a lie)
Narrated Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 702
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
I saw that whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) stood for the prayer, he used to raise both his hands up to the shoulders, and used to do the same on saying the Takbir for bowing and on raising his head from it and used to say, "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah". But he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 703
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After the tashahud in the second rak'ah, when you stand up you raise the hands,
It was narrated from Ibn 'Umar that :
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to raise his hands when he began to pray, when he wanted to bow, when he raised his head from bowing, and when he stood up after the first two rak'ahs, he would raise his hands likewise, level with his shoulders.
Sunan An-Nasa'i English translation: Vol. 2, Book 13, Hadith 1183 (Grade:Sahih)

 

Wake up Pak

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Narrated by Abu Qilaba:
I saw Malik bin Huwairith saying Takbir and raising both his hands (on starting the prayers and raising his hands on bowing and also on raising his head after bowing. Malik bin Huwairith said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did the same."
[Sahih al-Bukhari 737] —

Narrated by Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
[Sahih al-Bukhari 735] —

Imaam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a separate book on this issue which he called Juz’ fi Raf’ al-Yadayn (Section on Raising the Hands), in which he proved that the hands should be raised at these two points on the prayer, and he strongly denounced those who go against that. He narrated that al-Hasan said: “The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise their hands during prayer when they bowed and when they stood up (from bowing).” Al-Bukhaari said, “Al-Hasan did not exclude any of the Sahaabah from that, and it was not proven that any one among the Sahaabah did not raise his hands.” [See al-Majmoo’ by al-Nawawi, 3/399-406.] —

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Look at the practice at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Sahaabah after him. They used to raise their hands in prayer when doing rukoo’, and when standing up again. And in the time of the Sahaabah, if ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar saw someone not raising his hands in prayer, he would throw a stone at him. [I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 2/376] —

This raising of the hands is mutawaatir (reported by so many to so many that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). It is the opinion of the majority of scholars and some of the Hanafis. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by al-Albaani, p. 136).
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There are many Hadith regarding this, and they mutawatir (stronger than sahih and narrated by so many companions that it cannot be a lie)
Narrated Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 702
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
I saw that whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) stood for the prayer, he used to raise both his hands up to the shoulders, and used to do the same on saying the Takbir for bowing and on raising his head from it and used to say, "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah". But he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 703
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After the tashahud in the second rak'ah, when you stand up you raise the hands,
It was narrated from Ibn 'Umar that :
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to raise his hands when he began to pray, when he wanted to bow, when he raised his head from bowing, and when he stood up after the first two rak'ahs, he would raise his hands likewise, level with his shoulders.
Sunan An-Nasa'i English translation: Vol. 2, Book 13, Hadith 1183 (Grade:Sahih)

Yaar baray ho jaao.
 

Wake up Pak

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or koi hukum

Narrated by Abu Qilaba:
I saw Malik bin Huwairith saying Takbir and raising both his hands (on starting the prayers and raising his hands on bowing and also on raising his head after bowing. Malik bin Huwairith said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did the same."
[Sahih al-Bukhari 737] —

Narrated by Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
[Sahih al-Bukhari 735] —

Imaam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a separate book on this issue which he called Juz’ fi Raf’ al-Yadayn (Section on Raising the Hands), in which he proved that the hands should be raised at these two points on the prayer, and he strongly denounced those who go against that. He narrated that al-Hasan said: “The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise their hands during prayer when they bowed and when they stood up (from bowing).” Al-Bukhaari said, “Al-Hasan did not exclude any of the Sahaabah from that, and it was not proven that any one among the Sahaabah did not raise his hands.” [See al-Majmoo’ by al-Nawawi, 3/399-406.] —

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Look at the practice at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Sahaabah after him. They used to raise their hands in prayer when doing rukoo’, and when standing up again. And in the time of the Sahaabah, if ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar saw someone not raising his hands in prayer, he would throw a stone at him. [I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 2/376] —

This raising of the hands is mutawaatir (reported by so many to so many that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). It is the opinion of the majority of scholars and some of the Hanafis. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by al-Albaani, p. 136).
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There are many Hadith regarding this, and they mutawatir (stronger than sahih and narrated by so many companions that it cannot be a lie)
Narrated Salim bin `Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah, Rabbana wa laka l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 702
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
I saw that whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) stood for the prayer, he used to raise both his hands up to the shoulders, and used to do the same on saying the Takbir for bowing and on raising his head from it and used to say, "Sami`a l-lahu liman hamidah". But he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 703
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After the tashahud in the second rak'ah, when you stand up you raise the hands,
It was narrated from Ibn 'Umar that :
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to raise his hands when he began to pray, when he wanted to bow, when he raised his head from bowing, and when he stood up after the first two rak'ahs, he would raise his hands likewise, level with his shoulders.
Sunan An-Nasa'i English translation: Vol. 2, Book 13, Hadith 1183 (Grade:Sahih)

Kiya Hazrat Umar bhi munkare hadith thaay?

Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin `Abdullah:
Ibn `Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet (ﷺ) became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn `Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn `Abbas had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn `Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fath Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 228, Vol. 4).

حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ لَمَّا اشْتَدَّ بِالنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَجَعُهُ قَالَ ‏"‏ ائْتُونِي بِكِتَابٍ أَكْتُبُ لَكُمْ كِتَابًا لاَ تَضِلُّوا بَعْدَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ عُمَرُ إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم غَلَبَهُ الْوَجَعُ وَعِنْدَنَا كِتَابُ اللَّهِ حَسْبُنَا فَاخْتَلَفُوا وَكَثُرَ اللَّغَطُ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ قُومُوا عَنِّي، وَلاَ يَنْبَغِي عِنْدِي التَّنَازُعُ ‏"‏‏.‏ فَخَرَجَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ يَقُولُ إِنَّ الرَّزِيَّةَ كُلَّ الرَّزِيَّةِ مَا حَالَ بَيْنَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَبَيْنَ كِتَابِهِ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 114
In-book reference : Book 3, Hadith 56
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 3, Hadith 114
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
Yaar baray ho jaao.

q aab sawal bhe nahi bachay tumharay paas , namaz ka tareeqa from hadith namaz from Quran

aab bhee koi proof chayea kia ? aab bhee nahi tasleem krna?

anyways Moot ka inkaar to koi Kafir bhe nahi krta , marnay ky baad to hum dono ko pata chal hi jana hy , main to bagair bias huay without any ego ky sach ki talash main rahta hoon

agar aisa na krta to tum ko galian ko jawab bohat achi tarhan dyta, baat Islam ki hy ais leyain galian avoid kr raha hoon anyways your life your choice
 

Wake up Pak

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q aab sawal bhe nahi bachay tumharay paas , namaz ka tareeqa from hadith namaz from Quran

aab bhee koi proof chayea kia ? aab bhee nahi tasleem krna?

anyways Moot ka inkaar to koi Kafir bhe nahi krta , marnay ky baad to hum dono ko pata chal hi jana hy , main to bagair bias huay without any ego ky sach ki talash main rahta hoon

agar aisa na krta to tum ko galian ko jawab bohat achi tarhan dyta,
Namaz key Detail kahan hain? dou chaar hadith say sari namaz?
 

Citizen X

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hahahahah ha ahaha

babloo bhai aap logic ka jawab do , kitnay flaws nikal deyea hain ais video main or ais ko tum loog follow krty ho, kia yaar kuch bhee kuch bhee

oor baat suuno har post ka reply krna zaroori nahi hota




This is the question I pose to all these hadiths mushriks and not a single one has been able to reply.

Scenario 1 : Imagine a scenario where there was no Quran only hadith. How big a difference would it make to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Scenario 2 : Imagine a scenario where there was no hadith, only Quran. How big a difference would it make to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the current Muslims?

Answer to Scenario 1 : Wouldn't make more than 5 to 10% ( if that ) difference to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Answer to Scenario 2 : There would be 90 to 95% difference to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Conclusion : Todays Muslim follow the Hadith and not the Quran. They might give it a lot of lip service but in reality hardly follow it, all their beliefs, practices and rituals are based on the hadith.

And if you follow anything other than Allah, you are plain and simple a Mushrik.

Where Bhukari/Muslim/Majaa/Abu Dawood etc etc are your Prophets and their hadith books your Quran.
 

Wake up Pak

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This is the question I pose to all these hadiths mushriks and not a single one has been able to reply.

Scenario 1 : Imagine a scenario where there was no Quran only hadith. How big a difference would it make to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Scenario 2 : Imagine a scenario where there was no hadith, only Quran. How big a difference would it make to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the current Muslims?

Answer to Scenario 1 : Wouldn't make more than 5 to 10% ( if that ) difference to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Answer to Scenario 2 : There would be 90 to 95% difference to the current beliefs, practices, and rituals of the Muslims?

Conclusion : Todays Muslim follow the Hadith and not the Quran. They might give it a lot of lip service but in reality hardly follow it, all their beliefs, practices and rituals are based on the hadith.

And if you follow anything other than Allah, you are plain and simple a Mushrik.

Where Bhukari/Muslim/Majaa/Abu Dawood etc etc are your Prophets and their hadith books your Quran.
q aab sawal bhe nahi bachay tumharay paas , namaz ka tareeqa from hadith namaz from Quran

aab bhee koi proof chayea kia ? aab bhee nahi tasleem krna?

anyways Moot ka inkaar to koi Kafir bhe nahi krta , marnay ky baad to hum dono ko pata chal hi jana hy , main to bagair bias huay without any ego ky sach ki talash main rahta hoon

agar aisa na krta to tum ko galian ko jawab bohat achi tarhan dyta, baat Islam ki hy ais leyain galian avoid kr raha hoon anyways your life your choice
As received.
So, it is very much clear that Allah Himself is enough to explain His own Quraan. The terminologies "Quraan-o-Hadith" and "Quraan-o-Sunnah" are not in Allah's Quraan and are not authorized terminologies. These are man-invented terminologies. If you are perplexed, read Allah's Quraan yourself, and then you will come to know the realities. All the ulama of the ummah stops people from reading Allah's Quraan alone, directly without ahadith, Tafseer, or man-written books, because these ulama know that they will not be needed anymore. And they will be unveiled. Think again, The Messenger is a Messenger, because he has "The Message".Remember, without "The Message", the Messenger is not a Messenger. And again remember, that without Bukhari and Muslims, still, the Messenger is a Messenger, because he has "The Message".The Messenger (SAW) was the Messenger of "The Message" revealed to him. He was not a Messenger of Bukhari or Muslim. The ummah is ordered to follow the Example of the Messenger (SAW).
"Certainly, there is for you in the Messenger of Allah a good example for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah much." (Al-Ahzaab-21)
What is the Good Example in the Messenger of Allah that we should follow?---Indeed, The Quraan, and only The Quraan alone, is the Example of the Messenger (SAW), because the Messenger (SAW) followed The Quraan and nothing but The Quraan.
"Say (O Muhammad), "I am not something new (different) among the Messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." (Al-Ahqaaf-9)"Say (O Muhammad): “It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.” (Younus-15)"Say (O Muhammad): “I do not say to you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor that I know the Unseen (Ghaib). And I do not say to you that I am an angel. I follow only that which is revealed to me.” Say: “Are the blind and the seer equal? Do you not then reflect.” (Al-Anaam-50)
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
As received.
So, it is very much clear that Allah Himself is enough to explain His own Quraan. The terminologies "Quraan-o-Hadith" and "Quraan-o-Sunnah" are not in Allah's Quraan and are not authorized terminologies. These are man-invented terminologies. If you are perplexed, read Allah's Quraan yourself, and then you will come to know the realities. All the ulama of the ummah stops people from reading Allah's Quraan alone, directly without ahadith, Tafseer, or man-written books, because these ulama know that they will not be needed anymore. And they will be unveiled. Think again, The Messenger is a Messenger, because he has "The Message".Remember, without "The Message", the Messenger is not a Messenger. And again remember, that without Bukhari and Muslims, still, the Messenger is a Messenger, because he has "The Message".The Messenger (SAW) was the Messenger of "The Message" revealed to him. He was not a Messenger of Bukhari or Muslim. The ummah is ordered to follow the Example of the Messenger (SAW).
"Certainly, there is for you in the Messenger of Allah a good example for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah much." (Al-Ahzaab-21)
What is the Good Example in the Messenger of Allah that we should follow?---Indeed, The Quraan, and only The Quraan alone, is the Example of the Messenger (SAW), because the Messenger (SAW) followed The Quraan and nothing but The Quraan.
"Say (O Muhammad), "I am not something new (different) among the Messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." (Al-Ahqaaf-9)"Say (O Muhammad): “It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.” (Younus-15)"Say (O Muhammad): “I do not say to you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor that I know the Unseen (Ghaib). And I do not say to you that I am an angel. I follow only that which is revealed to me.” Say: “Are the blind and the seer equal? Do you not then reflect.” (Al-Anaam-50)


"So, it is very much clear that Allah Himself is enough to explain His own Quraan"

than why He send the Quran through Messenger?

Allah can send Quran directly also, ALLAH doesn't need anyone

Simple c logic hy bhai, sirf aik Namaz ky oper hi poora pervaizi fitna destroy ho chuka hy, aik namaz ki tumhari khud ki logic ko defend nahi kr sk rahay ho,
 

Wake up Pak

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"So, it is very much clear that Allah Himself is enough to explain His own Quraan"

than why He send the Quran through Messenger?

Allah can send Quran directly also, ALLAH doesn't need anyone

Simple c logic hy bhai, sirf aik Namaz ky oper hi poora pervaizi fitna destroy ho chuka hy, aik namaz ki tumhari khud ki logic ko defend nahi kr sk rahay ho,
An ignorant will pose such useless and baseless comments. The problem with the like of you is that you guys never even bothered to learn the basics of the Quran.
As for Namaz, you couldn't prove anything yet, just shooting the crap of Pervaizi blah blah blah.
My suggestion is that, before engaging in debate/discussion, you should brush up on your Islamic study based on the Quran alone.
 

Panthar_pk

MPA (400+ posts)
An ignorant will pose such useless and baseless comments. The problem with the like of you is that you guys never even bothered to learn the basics of the Quran.
As for Namaz, you couldn't prove anything yet, just shooting the crap of Pervaizi blah blah blah.
My suggestion is that, before engaging in debate/discussion, you should brush up on your Islamic study based on the Quran alone.
look whose talking #ignorant

I proved you Namaz From Quran go back and listen to D Israr Ahmed video i posted earlier, i replied each and every of your questions and still you are talking like Maryam Nawaz ,

so better not argue
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
look whose talking #ignorant

I proved you Namaz From Quran go back and listen to D Israr Ahmed video i posted earlier, i replied each and every of your questions and still you are talking like Maryam Nawaz ,

so better not argue
You did not prove anything about Namaz. I did not know that you lied as well.
 

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