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[Pakistani1947]

Sahah Sitta

are you an authority on these matters?

Meray Piarey Gazo Bhai, There is no need to be personal. I have posted the detail of Sahah Sitta books. Its not me who named it Sahah Sitta, it is there since more than 1000 years. Most of the Muslim Umma is agreed on it.

If it is something new to you. You may find more information below:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_major_Hadith_collections
2. http://www.uga.edu/islam/hadith.html
3. http://www.lastprophet.info/en/hadith-collections/al-kutub-al-sitta-the-six-books.html

 

[Pakistani1947]

Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects or school of thoughts, for example tahir-ul-qadri group's religion, is being authenticated indirectly by a dream.

We know that there is Sahih Hadith that Only those person could see the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dream who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) saying, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape.” Abu ‘Abdullah said, “Ibn Sirin said, ‘Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.’” (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)

There is no dispute that Satan can not imitate Prophet Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). But Satan can disguise into Saint like appearance (anybody other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Now tahir-ul-qadri never saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) alive then how can tahir-ul-qadri claim with 100% confidence that he actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)??

Let me explain this topic with an example. Lets assume two scenarios below:

Scenario#1:

During the time when Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were alive, any Shabi (RA) who knew the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), upon seeing Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his (RA) dream he (RA) could recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and could say with 100% confidence that he (RA) actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream on the basis of Hadith that Satan could not imitate the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Scenario#2:

Now, 1000 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream than his claimed can not be accepted with 100% confidence because that person was unable to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream.

Conclusion:

In Scenario#1, If any Sahabi (RA) saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream could declare it with 100% confidence.

In Scenario#2, 1000 years after death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream then his claim can not be accepted with 100% confidence. He might have seen or might not have seen.

I do not say whoever saw Prophet Muhammad in their dream after the death of Prophet is Kazab. My point is that one can not claim with 100% confidence that he has actually seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream. He might have seen or might not have seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Because (say 100 years after the death of Prophet (PBUH)) nobody was able to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). As 100 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) no survivor can claim that he can recognize Prophet Muhammad if he sees him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream.


Sultan Noor Ud Din Zangi had a dream in which he saw the Prophet asking him to save him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) from the conspiracy of two men also shown to him in the dream. He saw this dream repeatedly and immediately returned to Medina where scrutiny of the matter ultimately transpired the two persons involved in the conspiracy of removing the body of the prophet. Based upon this incident some people deduct that the person of Muhammad is alive and still guides his ummah through dream.”

The corpus of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Sultan. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.

Furthermore, even Sultan Zangi's argument does not proves that if somebody claims to have seen our beloved prophet Mohammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream then his claim may be accepted with 100% confidence. In the best interest of Muslim ummah it is better to close this door which often leads to innovation in Shariah, following of fake peer, fake faqeer and fake wali like, Yousuf Kazab.

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects or school of thoughts, for example tahir-ul-qadri group's religion, is being authenticated indirectly by a dream.

If your's School of thought does not believe on seeing our beloved Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wassallam) in dream after his companions (May Allah be Please with them) then I do not have problem with that and I would repeat my statement which I wrote in other post for you: If you are really honest in discussing the Islam's rulings about dreams, You are most welcome to create new thread anytime to discuss and I don't need to mention again that I do not appreciate doing Copy-past details instead of focusing on point of discussion. .

If you are satisfied with Shiekh Tahir Ul Qadri Explanation about dreams then fair enough but If you still have doubts then at least stop targeting him and leave this matter between Allah and him.

 

[Pakistani1947]

If your's School of thought….

My Dear Brother Knowledge Seeker,

There is no other school of thought than Qur’aan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Allah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala) says:

"And whosoever opposes the Messenger (Muhammad sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination!" [Surah an-Nisaa 4:115]


In this ayah there is profound and extensive wisdom, for Allah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala), has connected the "the believers' way" to what the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) came with. The Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) has (also) indicated this point in the hadith about the splitting up of the Ummah into sects. When he (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) was asked concerning the saved sect, he (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) responded: "That which (adheres to what) I and my companions are upon today." [authentic hadith of Tirmidhi]

What then is the wisdom behind Allah's mentioning of "the believers' way" in this ayah? And what is the significance in the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) linking of his companions to himself in the previous hadeeth?
The answer is: These noble Companions (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were the ones who received the two revelations (i.e. the Qur'an and Sunnah) from the Messenger Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), having that explained to them by him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) directly, without there being any intermediary. They best knew how to implement the Sunnah ((صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)), so after knowing this O noble reader can any Islaamic revival take place when the way of the Companions (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) is abandoned and not adhered to, rather No it can not. For us to revive Islam and bring unity to the Muslims we must adopt the way and example of the Noble Companions (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ).

I do not appreciate doing Copy-past details instead of focusing on point of discussion.

What do you mean by copy-paste. In my earlier post there is no copy paste its all in my words. Furthermore, why are you afraid of looking at the truth does it matter which source it is coming from?

If you are satisfied with Shiekh Tahir Ul Qadri Explanation about dreams then fair enough but If you still have doubts then at least stop targeting him and leave this matter between Allah and him.

Brother, Since tahir-ul-qadri has revealed his dream to million of Muslim and he is indirectly authenticating his point of view in many religious matter indirectly through a dream. He has involved thousands of Muslim in this matter.

tahir-ul-qadri claimed that he met the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream and he (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) requested (استغفراللہ ) tahir-ul-qadri to be his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) host (میزبان).

An ordinary person would think, Oh my Allah, this tahir-ul-qadri is scholar of such a caliber that even our Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) requests to be his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) host (میزبان). So if someone points out the follower of tahr-ul-qadri that this person is involved in SHIRKIA activities and quote qur'aanic verses and authentic Hadith , the follower of tahir-ul-qadri would just closed his/her ears/eyes and his/her mind would not accept any daleel (دلیل) because he/she think that tahir-ul-qadri is in contact with Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) hence can not make any mistake.

Wallah Alam (واللہ علم)

 

[Murshad Jee]

@ Pakistani1947

As a Muslim I believe that in my heart the Picture of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) saved by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT Who Loves His Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) more than anything else, and I believe that I don't need any witness or proof to recognise Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) if I get a chance, even though I never saw Him (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) before in my whole entire life.

Just tell me how you will recognise Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) on the day of judgement, I think you must looking for proofs that day too, to convince your Deobandi/Wahabi heart.

I don't know what kind of believe you have, because when Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) said Himself that satan cannot imitate Me, Means: that satan cannot even claim himself as Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in any shape too.

The Most Holly Personality After ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT is Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) and you trying to say is that satan can claim himself as Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in any other shape too.................No.................Impossible. This is weakness of your Eman if you think like that.

اندازِ بیاں گرچہ بہت شوخ نہیں ہے
شاید کہ اتر جائے ترے دل میں مری بات

Reply please because you never replied to my previous post as well, and please do not start copy and past policy again just use you own word to convince me......Thanks

 

[Murshad Jee]

@ Pakistani1947
Could you please confirm this information for us.

Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi (Founder of Deoband) claimed that he met Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in his dream.

(In this situation, a group of learned theologians, led by Maulana Muhammad Qasim Nanautawi, established the Darul Uloom Seminary in the town of Deoband, in order to preserve Indo-Islamic culture and train the youth in Islamic knowledge. The foundation of Darul Uloom Deoband was laid down in 1283 A.H. (21st of May 1866 A.D.) beneath a pomegranate tree. Nanautawi claimed he had been inspired to do so by a DREAM in which the Prophet Mohammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) spoke to him).

This part is taken from wikipedia (Darul Uloom Deoband)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darul_Uloom_Deoband

 

[Azhar1234]

Is it possible Seeing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a Dream?

Note: There is no intention to target any particular Muslim Sects. The purpose is to debate in a healthy and non-abusive environment. All Hadiths below are quoted from Sahih Bukhari or Shaih Muslim. These two books of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most highly respected books of authenticated hadith collections.

It is not my article, but I agree with the content of this article because it is backed by authentic Hadiths from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most highly respected books of authenticated hadith collections.

Before posting this article I cross checked one by one the text of each and every Hadith through other sources. Finally, the analysis is very neutral, unbiased and logical.

If you analyze this article keeping in mind the spirit of Islam which emphasizes on "Taheed" and discourages innovations in Deen-e-Islam; and read it with a neutral and unbiased approach then you will find it appealing, very logical and in alignment with the spirit of Islam.

In my opinion, almost all of the Muslim sects try to authenticate their point of view directly or indirectly through seeing of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream by an prominent religious figure. If we accept their argument then indirectly we are blaming Allah's Messenger Muhammad (PBUH) to authenticate almost all Muslim sects (Nauzobillah).

Shortly before his death, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) delivered a sermon during the Hajj, which came to be known as his “Final Sermon”. This final sermon was not only a reminder to his followers, but also an important admonition. The final sermon confirms the end of his Prophetic Mission.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) completed his Final Sermon, and upon it, near the summit of Arafat, the revelation came down:

“…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…” (Quran 5:3)

May Allah give us hidayat to follow the spirit of Islam. (Aameen)
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Article: Seeing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a Dream

What we find from Sahih Ahadith is that:

Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Nothing is left of the prophetism except Al-Mubashshirat.” They asked, “What are Al-Mubashshirat?” He replied, “The true good dreams (that conveys glad tidings).” (Sahih Bukhari , Book #87, Hadith #119)

Narrated Abu Qatada: The Prophet said, “A good dream is from Allah, and a bad or evil dream is from Satan; so if anyone of you has a bad dream of which he gets afraid, he should spit on his left side and should seek Refuge with Allah from its evil, for then it will not harm him.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #54, Hadith #513)
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle said, “A good dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism.”(Sahih Bukhari , Book #87, Hadith #112)

Narrated Abu Salama: I used to see a dream which would make me sick till I heard Abu Qatada saying, “I too, used to see a dream which would make me sick till I heard the Prophet saying, “A good dream is from Allah, so if anyone of you saw a dream which he liked, he should not tell it to anybody except to the one whom he loves, and if he saw a dream which he disliked, then he should seek refuge with Allah from its evil and from the evil of Satan, and spit three times (on his left) and should not tell it to anybody, for it will not harm him. ” (Book #87, Hadith #168)

Based on the above and many other ahadith we find on the subject, we can conclude that:

1. Dreams are bur-haq
2. All human beings see good and bad dreams.
3. Some of these dreams become true and others don’t.
4. The dreams of Anbiya were Wahi but of course this isn’t true for a non-Nabi.
5. A non-Nabi can interpret dreams but this ability of his will be a gift (ataee ilm) and not a law or course, which anyone or everyone can learn whether an ordinary Muslim or a Momin.We do find certain interpretations in Sahih Ahadith and we can use these.
6. Similarly, a non-Nabi’s interpretation can never be accurate as its not backed up with Wahi/revelation. So this interpretation can be correct or wrong.
7. Good dreams are to be shared with loved ones only and bad dreams are not to be shared. Thus, we see that interpreting dreams or seeking their interpretations is not encouraged.

Now, coming to the point of whether one can see Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream. The simple answer is that, no, it isn’t possible to see Muhammad (PBUH), or any other prophet, in a dream. This statement is based firstly on Sahih ahadith, and secondly on common sense. There are very serious implications of believing that it is possible to see the Prophet (PBUH) in the dream.
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake; the Shaytaan cannot take my shape.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6592; Muslim, 2266)

Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #87, Hadith #123)

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet saying, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape.” Abu ‘Abdullah said, “Ibn Sirin said, ‘Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.’”(Book #87, Hadith #122)

Based on the very clear message in the above ahadith, we can state that only those people could dream about the Prophet (PBUH) who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. This is very very important. If Satan had been able to impersonate the Prophet (PBUH), he could misguide the Sahaba (RA). Similarly, Sahaba (RA) could be sure they had indeed seen the Muhammad (PBUH) because they knew what he looked like! Thus, both conditions are met: Satan can’t impersonate Muhammad (PBUH), and the dreamer can be certain this is the case precisely because he knows what Muhammad (PBUH) looked like.

In this day and age, a person who already believes that it is possible to see Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream, may end up seeing him. This is because any good dream which has a respectable looking religious person in it will be seen as representing Muhammad (PBUH).
But when a person believes that is it NOT possible to see Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream, then the chances of that person interpreting it in that manner are close to zero.
The problem is with people who have only read about Muhammad (PBUH) in books but they don’t know his exact appearance. So Satan can take the form of any pious looking man, appear in our dreams and claim to be the Prophet (PBUH)! Or he may not even claim it and we might wake up in the morning and interpret it this way just because we already believe in it!

Let me give you an example to support my argument. The time is of Hijrat to Medina when Muhammad (PBUH) and Abu Bakr (RA) arrived in Medina during the day. The people of Medina were waiting for the Prophet (PBUH) anxiously. Ahadith of Bukhari state that when both the Prophet (PBUH) and Abu Bakr (RA) were together, many amongst the Ansar who had not seen the Prophet (PBUH) in real life and didn’t know how he looked like actually came over to greet Abu Bakr (RA), thinking of him to be Muhammad (PBUH). That is until Abu Bakr (RA) realised what was happening; so when direct sunlight fell over Muhammad (PBUH), Abu Bakr provided a shade to Muhammad (PBUH) with his sheet (chaadar) and only then people realised who the Prophet was. Here’s the reference to this hadith in Bukhari: (Sahih Bukhari – Book #58, Hadith #245). Continued......

 

[Azhar1234]

Continued from above....

So we learn that people who had not seen Muhammad (PBUH) and didn’t recognise his facial features made a mistake in broad daylight and thought of the Prophet’s companion to be the Prophet. So how can anyone be sure of this in dreams when Satan can take the form of any buzurg (wise old man) and make false claims??

Whether the dream is about glad tidings or warnings is beside the point!! What we need is to establish whether the person claiming to be the Prophet in someone’s dream is actually Muhammad (PBUH) or not and that’s why only those people (i.e. Sahaba or polytheists like Abu Jahl) could be sure of this simple thing because they had seen the Prophet (PBUH) in real life or during wakefulness and knew his facial features and would immediately learn the truth if Satan would appear in the form of any other noorani looking buzurg in their dreams.

So now we come to the second point, which is that we find no proof from Quran and Sahih Ahadith that any human being who has no idea about how Muhammad (PBUH) looked like or what his actual facial features were or who has not seen the Prophet in real life can see and accurately recognise him in dreams. We also find no proof if any amongst the Sahaba (RA) saw Muhammad (PBUH) in dreams after his death; or, if the Prophet (PBUH) ever gave any glad tidings to any of his companions (RA) after his death. Imagine the enormity of crises that occurred after the death of Muhammad (PBUH) … Usman (RA)’s murder, the rift between Ayesha (RA) and Ali (RA) that lead to wars amongst Muslims. Did the Prophet come in dreams of either Ayesha (RA) or Ali (RA) to explain who is correct and how all this bloodshed could be avoided? Could he not have given warnings or shown his disapproval? We claim seeing Prophet (PBUH) on day to day issues of Muslim Ummah! And yet, as Muslims, we do not even COMPARE to the Sahaba (RA). (Personally, for me, this point is Hujjat and settles the matter).

The other thing to remember is that Muhammad (PBUH) died centuries ago. He (PBUH) is not a part of the living world and he (PBUH) is not aware of what is going on in this world. I would refer you to the following hadith (selected excerpt):

Sahih Bukhari:
………It will be said, ‘You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you left’………..(Book #76, Hadith #585)
The problem with claiming that Muhammad (PBUH) can be seen in our dreams is that it gives the impression that Muhammad (PBUH) is aware of what we do, and then he comes in our dreams to give us a Basharat (good news) or to warn us. What we need to remember though, is that Muhammad (PBUH) was Bashir-o-Nazeer in his life: he was a bearer of good news and a warner in his lifetime. He completed his mission and died. He has even told us what will happen before Qayamah: Jesus (AS) will break the cross, for example. So we cannot assume that he will now be remorseful about the circumstances of the Muslim Ummah and will come to give more warnings or good news. Actually, these aqaid/beliefs are propagated by people who still believe Muhammad (PBUH) to be Hazir-o-Nazir, like Sufis and other sects.

To conclude:
We cannot see Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream. In fact, the Bukhari hadith mentioned earlier says that whoever sees Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream has seen him in wakefulness. Since none of us have seen him in wakefulness, we can’t see him in a dream.
The very serious implication of holding this belief is that many hopefuls have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making this claim. Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (PBUH), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.

It is due to this severe and far reaching consequence that we need to set the record straight and prove to readers that is it NOT possible to see Muhammad (PBUH) in our dreams, since we have neither seen him in his life, nor will we see him in our wakefulness. This is in strict accordance with the Bukhari ahadith above.

 

[Salik]

I saw my mother may be ten times after her death during the last ten years.... (May Allah have mercy on her).....

So if Allah wills... Why cant I see Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

 

[khalid100]

The question is: What have we done so significant that we are not ashamed to see the Prophet (pbuh) wheather in dream or in the other life.
I my humble opinion it is more important that we act upon HIS teachings for which Quran and all the books of Hadith are full as how to live our life according to Islam.

 

[Murshad Jee]

Pakistani1947 بھاگ گیا
رہا نہ دیوبندی کا دیوبندی
منہ چھپا کے بھاگنے والے

 

[Murshad Jee]

تیرا کھائیں تیرے غلاموں سے الجھیں
ہیں منکر عجب کھانے غرانے والے

 

[SeekNSpread]

Azhar bhai
MashaALLAH its nice when we try to increase our knowledge about the best of creation Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him); the more we know about him (pbuh), the more we can imitate him and succeed.
You have tried to interpret a few Ahadith...........may we know what ILM (knowledge) and teaching have u had which qualifies you to make such interpretations?
Scholars of this blessed ummah, who dedicated their lives to the propagation of the deen, have said a lot about this matter..........and i feel a true seeker would be better advised to research what such stalwarts have said on the matter.
It is an established fact that it is possible to see the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in dreams and our history is full of numerous accounts where people have not only seen him (pbuh) in dreams, but actually received tidings, warnings, blessings etc from him.
As the Quran instructs us, if you do not know, then ask the people of knowledge...................lets stick to that :)
May ALLAH make us all better muslims and may there be countless blessings of ALLAH upon our master, Hazrat Muhammad, peace be upon him.

 

[abduttawwab]

Azhar bhai
MashaALLAH its nice when we try to increase our knowledge about the best of creation Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him); the more we know about him (pbuh), the more we can imitate him and succeed.
You have tried to interpret a few Ahadith...........may we know what ILM (knowledge) and teaching have u had which qualifies you to make such interpretations?
Scholars of this blessed ummah, who dedicated their lives to the propagation of the deen, have said a lot about this matter..........and i feel a true seeker would be better advised to research what such stalwarts have said on the matter.
It is an established fact that it is possible to see the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in dreams and our history is full of numerous accounts where people have not only seen him (pbuh) in dreams, but actually received tidings, warnings, blessings etc from him.
As the Quran instructs us, if you do not know, then ask the people of knowledge...................lets stick to that :)
May ALLAH make us all better muslims and may there be countless blessings of ALLAH upon our master, Hazrat Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Totally agree with you brother

 

[gazoomartian]

Azhar bhai
MashaALLAH its nice when we try to increase our knowledge about the best of creation Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him); the more we know about him (pbuh), the more we can imitate him and succeed.
You have tried to interpret a few Ahadith...........may we know what ILM (knowledge) and teaching have u had which qualifies you to make such interpretations?
Scholars of this blessed ummah, who dedicated their lives to the propagation of the deen, have said a lot about this matter..........and i feel a true seeker would be better advised to research what such stalwarts have said on the matter.
It is an established fact that it is possible to see the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in dreams and our history is full of numerous accounts where people have not only seen him (pbuh) in dreams, but actually received tidings, warnings, blessings etc from him.
As the Quran instructs us, if you do not know, then ask the people of knowledge...................lets stick to that :)
May ALLAH make us all better muslims and may there be countless blessings of ALLAH upon our master, Hazrat Muhammad, peace be upon him.

ever heard of a copy&paste function? LOL

 

[gazoomartian]

Totally agree with you brother

" Originally Posted by SeekNSpread
It is an established fact that it is possible to see the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in dreams and our history is full of numerous accounts where people have not only seen him (pbuh) in dreams, but actually received tidings, warnings, blessings etc from him. "

you agree with him 100%??? Arent you the one who bashed me for ages about my dreams of aqa (s.a.w.)?? or was it some one else???

 

[Pakistani1947]

@ Pakistani1947

As a Muslim I believe that in my heart the Picture of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) saved by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT Who Loves His Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) more than anything else, and I believe that I don't need any witness or proof to recognise Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) if I get a chance, even though I never saw Him (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) before in my whole entire life.

My Dear Brother Murshad Jee,

Is it love of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) by which one can bring him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) into dream??

My mind does not accept that you or tahir-ul-qadri has more love of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) than Prophet's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) wife Aisha (RA) or his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) nephew Ali (RA).

Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) could have saved thousand of Sahabas (RA) lives by just coming into dream of his wife (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) (RA) or nephew (RA).

 

[Pakistani1947]

Some Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were unable to recognise Prophet (PBUH)

@ Pakistani1947

Just tell me how you will recognise Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) on the day of judgement, I think you must looking for proofs that day too, to convince your Deobandi/Wahabi heart.

My Dear Brother Murshad Jee,

The time when Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were alive even at that time the Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ), who never saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), could not recognise him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . I do not think that any Muslim can claim that he / she has better capabilities to recognise Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) than Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) at Madina.

The time is of Hijrat to Medina when Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) arrived in Medina during the day. The people of Medina were waiting for the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) anxiously. Ahadith of Bukhari state that when both the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were together, many amongst the Ansar who had not seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in real life and didnt know how he looked like actually came over to greet Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ), thinking of him to be Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). That is until Abu Bakr (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) realised what was happening; so when direct sunlight fell over Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), Abu Bakr provided a shade to Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) with his sheet (chaadar) and only then people realised who the Prophet was. Heres the reference to this hadith in Bukhari: (Sahih Bukhari Book #58, Hadith #245).

 

[Pakistani1947]

Only those could dream about the Prophet (PBUH) who had seen him in wakefulness

@ Pakistani1947

I don't know what kind of believe you have, because when Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) said Himself that satan cannot imitate Me, Means: that satan cannot even claim himself as Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in any shape too. The Most Holly Personality After ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT is Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) and you trying to say is that satan can claim himself as Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in any other shape too.................No.................Impossible. This is weakness of your Eman if you think like that.

It isn’t possible to see Prophet Muhammad, or any other prophet, in a dream. This statement is based firstly on Sahih ahadith, and secondly on common sense. There are very serious implications of believing that it is possible to see the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in the dream.

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake; the Shaytaan cannot take my shape.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6592; Muslim, 2266)

Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape. (Shahih Bukhari, Book #87, Hadith #123)

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet saying, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape.” Abu ‘Abdullah said, “Ibn Sirin said, ‘Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.’” (Book #87, Hadith #122)

Based on the very clear message in the above ahadith, we can state that only those people could dream about the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. This is very very important. If Satan had been able to impersonate the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), he could misguide the Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). Similarly, Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) could be sure they had indeed seen the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) because they knew what he looked like! Thus, both conditions are met: Satan can’t impersonate Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), and the dreamer can be certain this is the case precisely because he knows what Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) looked like.

Today, a person who already believes that it is possible to see Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in a dream, may end up seeing him. This is because any good dream which has a respectable looking religious person in it will be seen as representing Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

But when a person believes that is it NOT possible to see Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in a dream, then the chances of that person interpreting it in that manner are close to zero.

The problem is with people who have only read about Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in books but they don’t know his exact appearance. So Satan can take the form of any pious looking man, appear in our dreams and claim to be the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)! Or he may not even claim it and we might wake up in the morning and interpret it this way just because we already believe in it!

 

[Pakistani1947]

@ Pakistani1947
Could you please confirm this information for us. Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi (Founder of Deoband) claimed that he met Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in his dream.

(In this situation, a group of learned theologians, led by Maulana Muhammad Qasim Nanautawi, established the Darul Uloom Seminary in the town of Deoband, in order to preserve Indo-Islamic culture and train the youth in Islamic knowledge. The foundation of Darul Uloom Deoband was laid down in 1283 A.H. (21st of May 1866 A.D beneath a pomegranate tree. Nanautawi claimed he had been inspired to do so by a DREAM in which the Prophet Mohammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallamspoke to him. This part is taken from wikipedia (Darul Uloom Deoband) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darul_Uloom_Deoband

My Dear Brother Murshad Jee,

If Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi (Founder of Deoband) claimed that he met Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) then it is not Daleel (دلیل) that whoever claims that he or she have seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dream, then it mean the actually saw him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

The corpus (ذخیرہ) of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi or tahur-ul-qadri. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) of the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no vision or dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.

Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]

Now a days Muslims are judging their beliefs based on the sayings of Durwaish, Peer, Faqeer and Imams etc. but not as per Allah's instructions:

"And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].

"refer it back to Allaah" = Qur'aan
"and His Messenger" = Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. [6:195 Surah Al-An`am]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
In the Qur’aan, Allah condemns the one who turns away from following the Messengers and follows instead the religion invented by his forefathers. This is imitation (taqleed) which is forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, i.e., following someone other than the Messenger in matters that go against the Messenger. This is haraam for everyone according to the consensus of the Muslims, for there is no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience towards the Creator. Obedience to the Messenger is obligatory for every one, elite and common folk alike, at all times and in all places, both inwardly and outwardly, and in all situations… Allah has enjoined obedience to the Messenger upon all people, in approximately forty places in the Qur’aan.


It is permissible for one who is unable to derive rulings to follow a scholar, according to the majority of scholars… the kind of imitation or following that is forbidden by the texts and according to scholarly consensus is that which goes against the words of Allah and His Messenger. end quote. [Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 19/260-266]